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dad4justice

Does redbaiter comment on this blog anymore?
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June 24, 2015 6:38pm
Shawn Herles

“Moral decay first hampers and then strangles honest government, regular commerce, and even the ability to take genuine pleasure in the goods of this world. Compulsion is applied from above as self-discipline relaxes below, and the last liberties expire under the weight of a unitary state…. Since religion has lost its empire over the souls of men, the most prominent boundary that divided good from evil is overthrown; kings and nations are guided by chance and none can say where are the natural limits of despotism and the bound of license.” – – Russell Kirk

Read more at: http://www.azquotes.com/author/18750-Russell_Kirk
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June 24, 2015 6:39pm
nasska

Gun ownership may well be a privilege rather than a right Griff & there’s probably room for improvement in the US laws. Fact remains there’s room for a review of the way we approach gun use too, namely the right to use them for self protection.

The likes of the Indian dairy owner in South Auckland are no more than helpless targets. They are denied the means to defend themselves & the justice system regards their lives as valueless as evidenced in this weeks aquittal.
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June 24, 2015 6:40pm
Griff

No d4j
He has retired from KB and given the baton to EAD.
Apparently the prog marxist cowardly psychotic scum have beaten him down and he no longer sees a purpose in fighting the good fight on the bloggersphere .
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June 24, 2015 6:41pm
nasska

….”Does redbaiter comment on this blog anymore?”….

You’re a one man army now Dad. Baity’s conceded defeat & called time on blogging.
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June 24, 2015 6:41pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Denis – an interesting read. I’m looking forward to my old age where superintelligent AI, lacking possible sex, race bias and hopefully not hungering for power comes along and points out the stupidity of the pc driven science of our age, where so many ‘results’ arise as a consequence of pandering to political (and so funding) agendas.

Academia of today ensures you don’t get funding and get frozen out of academic publishing unless you adhere to the dogma. Which is why I tend to trust the opinions of scientists near or past retirement more than those trying to build careers – less to lose from speaking the truth.
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June 24, 2015 6:43pm
Inandout

People who can’t have an opinion on carrying arms: Lincoln, Kennedy, Kennedy, King Snr.
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June 24, 2015 6:44pm
Griff

The problem with that is nasska its the loons that go out and get guns.
innocents get shot not crims.
justice is best served by professionals not a bunch of loony nutters with weapons .

As we both know.
If you are out in the wops look behind the kitchen / laundry door.
50% of the time there will be a 22 with the ammo siting on the shelf above if not one in the chamber .
Rabbits/ stray dogs/brown vermin dont wait around for you to find the keys unlock the Cabinet go find the bolt and ammo and put it all together.
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June 24, 2015 6:50pm
dad4justice

Oh well I must admit redbaiter was the best blogger on here by far. Pity he has gone. Oh well I suppose I will have to battle the knuckle dragging progs on me own with a rusty pitch fork. Up yours proggy.
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June 24, 2015 6:50pm
Griff

D4j
you can tell a mans standards by the company he keeps…………
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June 24, 2015 6:52pm
dad4justice

Yes Gripp, you must get on well with your drug dealer.Are you both addicted?
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June 24, 2015 6:53pm
nasska

….”justice is best served by professionals not a bunch of loony nutters with weapons”….

If the professionals got off their collective arses & did just that I’d go along with you. Trouble is they don’t.

The police hold back until the crims have left the scene or died of old age & the judiciary will NOT use the sentencing available to them. Personally I prefer my chances armed.
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June 24, 2015 6:57pm
dad4justice

“The police hold back until the crims have left the scene”

What is the name of that psycho ChCh cop that has gunned down two men in the so called line of duty?
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June 24, 2015 7:00pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@DH (@hj)

Tx for the links….

I s’pose I was really looking for info on what tactics were employed to get him removed from Massey – whether it was a formal process or not.
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June 24, 2015 7:01pm
Griff

No I am not an addict.
In fact I have yet to meet a genuine pot addict .
The heavy smokers I have known give up no worries if there is none around.
unlike piss heads who can end up in hospital or dead from withdrawal.

http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/alcohol-withdrawal-symptoms-treatments

Alcohol withdrawal syndrome is a potentially life-threatening condition that can occur in people who have been drinking heavily for weeks, months, or years and then either stop or significantly reduce their alcohol consumption.

Alcohol withdrawal symptoms can begin as early as two hours after the last drink, persist for weeks, and range from mild anxiety and shakiness to severe complications, such as seizures and delirium tremens (also called DTs). The death rate from DTs — which are characterized by confusion, rapid heartbeat, and fever — is estimated to range from 1% to 5%.
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June 24, 2015 7:02pm
dad4justice

“Well actually my mans a defense lawyer d4j.”

Does he do lines with the judge in chambers?
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June 24, 2015 7:04pm
Jack5

Griff in his 7.02 and earlier indicates that though a partaker of marijuana, he is not an addict, AND he expresses an anti-gun position.

How do you protect yourself from your dope dealers, Griff? Do you have two pitbulls? Or are they happy with a direct credit from your bank account

As for pot being harmless, it can trigger schizophrenia, Griff.
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June 24, 2015 7:10pm
stigie

It can in young people Jack5 but doesn’t effect adults so im lead to believe !~

Griff may have more info.
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June 24, 2015 7:13pm
nasska

Griff

Nowadays they get the pissheads to turn up at the local Mental Health unit, fill them chocka with Valium & only then cart them off to detox.

Deaths are pretty rare but most of those treated lapse.
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June 24, 2015 7:13pm
kowtow

‘Its not liberals running amuck killing kids ,churchgoers or federal employes.
Its nuts wrapped in the Confederate flag .’

I don’t think so, more likely the descendants of freed slaves….

Black lives matter so much that there’s a murder spree on and it ain’t the cops doin’ the killin’, no sirree…..

http://www.usherald.com/baltimore-murder-rate-has-skyrocketed-since-riots/
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June 24, 2015 7:13pm
stigie

“Does he do lines with the judge in chambers”?

Ya still cracking me up Dad…. Bwahahahaha
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June 24, 2015 7:18pm
dad4justice

stigfly go away you pathetic irritating non identity.

” can trigger schizophrenia” for example, bigot blouse’s multiple identities on this blog.
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June 24, 2015 7:20pm
mikenmild

Why don’t you go away, D4J? You have nothing to contribute except abuse.
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June 24, 2015 7:22pm
stigie

Thats right Dad im Big Bruv, never said i wasn’t .
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June 24, 2015 7:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Keeping traditions alive

esp. if its pigeon pie/kereru kai

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11470526
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June 24, 2015 7:28pm
Griff

What world do you live in ?
Most pot gets grown in suburban wardrobes and past around among friends .
I wouldn’t own shitbulls stupid useless breed of dog like most who own them.
Piss causes major mental issues much more than pot can .
Go down to the local mission and watch the alkys if you want a demonstration of mental illness and alcohol addiction.
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June 24, 2015 7:28pm
OneTrack

It appears Heather got the job with Duncan on TV3 at 7pm. The lefties will be fuming.
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June 24, 2015 7:29pm
Shawn Herles

I see D4J is back, and in usual form.
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June 24, 2015 7:37pm
dad4justice

Hi Shorn Girls killed any more gaters lately with your pocket knife you twisted septic pharisee?
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June 24, 2015 7:42pm
Shawn Herles

“Griff in his 7.02 and earlier indicates that though a partaker of marijuana, he is not an addict, AND he expresses an anti-gun position.”

I’m not sure why this matters.

“How do you protect yourself from your dope dealers, Griff?”

Most folks buy from their friends. And the idea that all the people who may sell a little dope are armed and dangerous is quaint, but not remotely true. Most low level dealers are otherwise average people.

“As for pot being harmless, it can trigger schizophrenia, Griff.”

Only if there is already a predisposition to schizophrenia, and this is not a regular occurrence. Alcohol can trigger metal health problems as well.

And yes, you can be a user without being an addict.
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June 24, 2015 7:43pm
mikenmild

What’s really troubling you, D4J? You know you can tell us.
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June 24, 2015 7:45pm
dad4justice

The trouble is mikemouldy is simple , this blog provides a platform for the most timid and cowardly people on planet earth to spew malicious untruths without any consequences.

Would you use your real name? Mine is easily identified eh just click my link. Anonymous bloggers are jellyfish.
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June 24, 2015 7:50pm
Shawn Herles

“The trouble is mikemouldy is simple , this blog provides a platform for the most timid and cowardly people on planet earth to spew malicious untruths without any consequences.”

Like you for example.
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June 24, 2015 7:51pm
Griff

Come on mm d4j is the joke that keeps on giving.
Almost as amusing as redtwit was .
Poe’s* both of them.
Even if it is unintentional.

*Poe’s law is an internet adage which states that, without a clear indicator of the author’s intent, parodies of extremism are indistinguishable from sincere expressions of extremism Poe’s Law implies that parody will often be mistaken for sincere belief, and sincere beliefs for parody.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
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June 24, 2015 7:53pm
dad4justice

“Like you for example.”

Are you that thick septic pharisee you cannot read. Click my dad4justice name and you get my real name you nutbar.

Redbaiter had the right idea. Why bother with such vile cowards.
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June 24, 2015 7:57pm
Shawn Herles

My real name is right there on my posts D4J. Not hiding.

And I was referring to people who are cowardly and timid. Like you. All talk and no hat. You act tough behind a computer, but I suspect in reality your a wilting flower.
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June 24, 2015 7:59pm
stigie

This from Nostradamus last night, its worth having another look at it !~

“Help is available for those who need it”…

“Anger Management is an effective way of dealing with problems created by anger. Many people in Christchurch are turning to anger therapy to get help with the difficulties associated anger.

Anger is a natural emotion, just as valid as any other feeling we as humans experience. Problems arise when we lack the necessary skills to express our feelings appropriately.

Often we struggle to meet our daily commitments, this can cause stress which left unchecked can lead to multiple health problems both mental and physical. Stress has now been named as a major cause of death in New Zealand.

Often outbursts or “rage” episodes can affect our relationships both at work and at home. Many people find themselves in front of a Magistrate as a result of these outbursts.Courts are now also sentencing people to counselling as part of thier probation and often will require a presentence report from a Psychologist.

During therapy, clients will be made aware of the main triggers to rage and how to develop effective coping strategies”.
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June 24, 2015 8:00pm
Shawn Herles

“Redabiter had the right idea = you creeps are too far gone for normal debate.”

That would be the creep who abused my openness with regards to my identity by threatening to send abusive emails to my wife’s work place.

Your choice of friends speaks volumes.
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June 24, 2015 8:01pm
nasska

Shawn

Most people on this forum are older conservatives who have swallowed the lie of “booze good…marijuana bad”. I guess that in an ideal world people would be ecstatically happy with bird song & new days but in reality most wish to lose the rough edge of reality on occasions.

Most confine this to a few beers after work once or twice a week same as the dope smoker will probably share a joint in a similar way. Regardless of the opinions of the dinosaurs neither have done any harm to themselves or anyone else & it is only those who make their intoxicant a way of life that should cause any concern to society.

My personal observations include these points:

1) Alcohol can be addictive whereas marijuana isn’t…..this despite the low life who try to use consumption as an excuse for their actions. I’ve never met anyone addicted to marijuana. If their supply gets cut off they get niggly but that’s about as far as the symptoms go.

2) Most who are adversely affected by dope use both alcohol & marijuana & this can get tricky but it is the grog that makes them violent & antisocial.

3) I believe that there’s such a thing as an “addictive personality”. They’re the ones who start on beer & end up on gin or have a joint & end up mainlining H or meth.

Your thoughts?
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June 24, 2015 8:03pm
dad4justice

Have you queers have many redbaiter and d4j voodoo dolls?

Shorn Girls please stop telling lies. Such pathetic men give this country a bad name.

Would a real man please stand up……………………………………….
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June 24, 2015 8:05pm
rightoverlabour

Hmm, so now I’ll take a gun to a bank, point it at the security guard and if he attempts to disarm me I’ll shoot up a few and claim self defense. I’m quite sure the air my mother breathed was tainted so it addled my brain and therefore I’m not quite responsible for my actions. Now, where was that gun shop?….. ( and hopefully the community will deal to these lovely darlings…)
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June 24, 2015 8:05pm
dad4justice

“And I was referring to people who are cowardly and timid. Like you. All talk and no hat. You act tough behind a computer, but I suspect in reality your a wilting flower.”

I will give you my cell phone number and we can meet tonight eh gutless Yank. Come on coward I call your bluff wimp.
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June 24, 2015 8:07pm
stigie

“Have you queers have many redbaiter and d4j voodoo dolls”?

Someone had a Sarah Palin doll floating around some time back…. Cant think who now ?
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June 24, 2015 8:12pm
dad4justice

hey stigfly time to turn into bigot blouse.

Come on Shorn Girls I am a very busy man.
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June 24, 2015 8:13pm
nasska

It got punctured stigie. Would you chip in a few bob so we can buy the poor old bugger a replacement?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jat0h9wa48e5z48/sarah-palin-blow-up-doll.jpg?dl=0
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June 24, 2015 8:14pm
Griff

violence D4j
Is that how you deal with conflict?
Like a monkey in the wild.
gonna give thems the bash .
Makes me wonder about some things in your past.
Get over it mate its words on a blog.
Just imagine if all you insulted tonight turned up at your place.
We gonna give you a good kicken….
Nah we just laugh at you. Put it down to too much piss or something.

[DPF: getting very close to a threat and a strike]
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June 24, 2015 8:14pm
stigie

You know im always in Nasska. Must be hard on the old fella having to replaster the holes and then it goes down on ya
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June 24, 2015 8:19pm
Manolo

The barbarians mint coins these days: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11694838/Islamic-State-mints-its-own-Islamic-Dinar-coins.html
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June 24, 2015 8:21pm
dad4justice

“violence D4j
Is that how you deal with conflict?”

Who said anything about violence gripp you stoned up creep.Why are you anonymous cowardly bloggers always making up crap?
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June 24, 2015 8:21pm
Nostradamus

Would the real Big Bruv (that’s you Stigie) please stand up?
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June 24, 2015 8:25pm
stigie

Hate to steal Bruvs thunder Nostra !~
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June 24, 2015 8:29pm
hj

The Challenge of ‘Multiculturalism’ In How Americans View the Past and the Future

Samuel Taylor

Of all the ways in which a nation defines itself, few are more important than what it teaches its children about itself. In the history classes of its public schools, a nation retells its own story and instills a national identity in the minds of young citizens. In today’s America, where competing racial, cultural and linguistic claims now make it nearly impossible even to speak of national identity, questions about history have become a struggle for the possession of America’s past.

The multicultural, multiperspective history that has arisen from this struggle is not merely a departure from the history America has always taught its children. It may be the first time that a nation has abandoned the single identity of its origins and set out deliberately to adopt multiple national identities.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p159_Taylor.html

Multicultural education
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1968, the implementation of the Bilingual Education Act was prompted by limited English-speaking minorities, especially Spanish-speaking citizens who denounced the idea of assimilation into the Western way of thinking in fear of losing their personal connectedness to one’s heritage and cultural ideals. It was in their hopes that “their lives and histories be included in the curriculum of schools, colleges, and universities…multicultural educators sought to transform the Euro-centric perspective and incorporate multiple perspectives into the curriculum”.[8] After 36 years, the Bilingual Education Act was dissolved and in 2002 the needs of English Language Learners were picked up by the No Child Left Behind Act.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multicultural_education

Seems the above statement from the holocaust denying site is correct?
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June 24, 2015 8:29pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

Big Bruv is an imposter. Everyone knows that you’re the real Big Bruv – except when Griff is here – unless, of course, Mikenmild is here.
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June 24, 2015 8:32pm
Pete George

Colin Craig is just about political history – but has Dirty Politics been resurrected?

Who orchestrated the Craig/Conservative hit job? An old team?
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June 24, 2015 8:34pm
Nostradamus

Pete:

Here’s a job that would go well with your blogging activities:

The Government Communications Security Bureau (GCSB), the country’s foreign intelligence agency criticised for illegal spying on New Zealanders in recent years, is looking to hire a new deputy director of intelligence.

Just imagine the “exclusives” you could blog about!

Downside: you’d have to relocate to Wellington…
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June 24, 2015 8:37pm
mikenmild

hj
Are you still reluctant to explain why you consider the Holocaust-denying IHR a reputable source for quotes?
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June 24, 2015 8:39pm
nasska

….”Who orchestrated the Craig/Conservative hit job”….

I doubt that National or anyone on the Right was involved as the timing is lousy. Next year would have been the ultimate time to derail the Conservatives as the debacle would have been fresh in the minds of 2017 voters & the elections too close to give a new leader a chance to establish him or herself.

Still, I take my hat off to whoever blew the idiots out of the water….it was a job well done.
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June 24, 2015 8:45pm
dad4justice

“Just imagine if all you insulted tonight turned up at your place.
We gonna give you a good kicken….”

Come on gripp I deal with you wimps without raising a hand. Try kick me and you find out you join your dad real quick.
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June 24, 2015 8:53pm
mikenmild

That’s a pretty nasty comment, D4J. What made you this way?
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June 24, 2015 8:56pm
Shawn Herles

“I will give you my cell phone number and we can meet tonight eh gutless Yank. Come on coward I call your bluff wimp.”

That would be very dumb on your part. There are dragons in the world D4J. You are not one of them.
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June 24, 2015 8:57pm
dad4justice

But mouldymike you say nothing about gripp wanting to give me a good kicking. Are all you eunuchs in the same mental health ward?

Shorn I only just live down the road from you. Come and have a coffee and chat.
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June 24, 2015 8:58pm
Awww C-mon

dadindiapers

I’ve never liked bad mannered bullies like you, Usually weak little pussies who run away bitching and moaning to mummy.

What’s with the agro, you making a point or just here being a ‘big man bad arse’ cause in real life you’re a cuckold Nancy boy?
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June 24, 2015 9:06pm
Brigitte

@nasska

Actually, the right could have done it. If the Nats reckon that the public are wary of one party governing alone then cultivating a potential coalition partner would make sense. Get rid of CC now and put into play someone with some renown to get them over the 5% threshold. Not to say that option would be their first choice (or second either). But possibly a better option with novice MPs to work with than trying to woo Winnie.
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June 24, 2015 9:06pm
Awww C-mon

CC timing

I don’t think there is a conspiracy with timing, they would have been sitting and waiting for an opportunity to act, the sauna provided it. No surprises really.
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June 24, 2015 9:10pm
nasska

Brigitte

Possibly but I can’t think who could step up & improve on Craig’s share of the 2014 vote. The NZ Conservatives were only ever one man’s vanity party crafted to attract the fringe malcontents & social dinosaurs. This they did very well…..the problem from their point of view is that there aren’t enough socially retarded loops in NZ to push any party over the 5% threshold.

My personal opinion is that the Conservatives have been destroyed by subversives within their own ranks.
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June 24, 2015 9:21pm
hj

mikenmild (13,817 comments) says:
June 24th, 2015 at 8:39 pm
hj
Are you still reluctant to explain why you consider the Holocaust-denying IHR a reputable source for quotes?
…..

No because you don’t judge an idea only by who says it (unless you are lazy).
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June 24, 2015 9:25pm
Yvette

”Who orchestrated the Craig/Conservative hit job”

It may have started here when someone [within the Conservatives] sent WhaleOil a poem supposedly by Craig.
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June 24, 2015 9:27pm
nasska

Yvette

True & from what Whale & Pete have written there’s plenty more to be revealed. Most of the new material involves Craig, Centurion & the party…..it is hard to imagine that info on Craig’s company’s financial dealings would ever fall into the hands of another political organisation.

Someone is white anting the Conservatives from within.
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June 24, 2015 9:36pm
Brigitte

Nasska, not disagreeing but really can’t think that any other (non 5%) party is going to jump over the line (if that was a Nats target). A respected celebrity (say John Kirwan although not suggesting him in particular) could easily give the required credibility. Mind you, they may well have done their chips at this point.
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June 24, 2015 9:43pm
EAD

“Holocaust Denier” screams Milkmild & Shaun Herles as if daring to question the approved version of history in this heavily censored subject invalidates all other opinions on no matter what subject… What great guys!

And before you two galloping mentals get all wound up and flustered, let me lay out my position.

1. The Jews in Europe did indeed suffer a Holocaust in which vast numbers of them were killed and otherwise lost their lives during WW II.

2. The numbers come nowhere near the mythical (and it is mythical) figure of six million. I don’t know what the number was, maybe nobody does but I suspect it was closer to a tenth of that figure.

3. Other peoples suffered a Holocaust as well during this time, at least as bad as that suffered by the Jews. I have in mind the Poles, Russians, Ukrainians and of course the Germans themselves. The ratio of Tutsis slaughtered in Rwanda dwarfs the ratio of Jews killed in their Holocaust. Yet Jews have cornered the genocide market.

4. There was no plan to exterminate Europe’s Jews. The plan was to get them into work camps, slave labour camps if you will, and at the end of the war expel them to Israel, Uganda, Madagascar or the steppes of Russia.

5. The majority of Jewish deaths resulted from the actions of the Einsatzgruppen and their local allies. These forces operated behind German lines after Operation Barbarossa to suppress local resistance. Such resistance was strongly associated with Jews who were in any event an easily identifiable target. Vast numbers were murdered and buried in mass graves. The local forces allied to the Einsatzgruppen undoubtedly took the opportunity to settle many an old score as part of the process. Typhus outbreaks in the camps were also a major contributor…possibly the largest.

6. The idea of the gas chambers as a form of mass slaughter is a complete fabrication.

7. The piles of skeletal bodies as seen in the iconic photos from Belsen and elsewhere represented the victims of typhus and starvation, the latter brought on by the bombing of German supply lines.

I have not arrived at these conclusions casually or quickly. I truly believe that they represent what really occurred.
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June 24, 2015 9:53pm
SGA

hj at 9:25 pm

No because you don’t judge an idea only by who says it (unless you are lazy).

Well, to be honest, there are a few people on this blog whose ideas I would be cautious to embrace because of their other ideas. I don’t see that as lazy, I see it as a well-founded cautious skepticism. If you are happy embracing ideas from the IHR, well that’s your right. I’ll remain cautious.
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June 24, 2015 9:54pm
SGA

dad4justice at 8:53 pm

Come on gripp I deal with you wimps without raising a hand. Try kick me and you find out you join your dad real quick.

Not funny, not clever, not even much of a comeback.
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June 24, 2015 10:01pm
Scott Chris

Come on gripp I deal with you wimps without raising a hand. Try kick me and you find out you join your dad real quick.

Wow, what a nasty little piece of shit you are.

Two can play that game. I do hope your ex-wife has a restraining order against you.

You know that arsehole who shot his two kids down south last year then blew his own cowardly brains out?

He’s you Dad4justice.
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June 24, 2015 11:01pm
Grant

EAD, the earnest angry disciple, diligently regurgitates his master’s madness….

There was no “final solution”, despite there being so much evidence of a final solution? So many laughs in just one post!

Whose going to take your financial advise seriously after reading that pile of horseshit? At least we know where you stand now. Or are you just mad – like your mentor?
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June 24, 2015 11:09pm
EAD

The problem with the likes of yourself Grant, which I’ve evidenced from the few times you’ve posted here is that you are so corrupted by fear and political correctness and riddled by cowardice, you won’t allow anything contrary to the comforting safety blanket narrative you have built up around yourself to enter your subconscious.

Perhaps you could start by educating yourself by reading some of the following impeccably researched books:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Six-Million-Fact-Fiction/dp/1499174926/ref=pd_sim_14_6?ie=UTF8&refRID=1K74GD6TNYHJMKJXAZNJ

http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Spell-Holocaust-Reality-Handbooks/dp/159148071X/ref=pd_sim_14_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=08K6NYGKWG8PHAF94HKF

Read them both but in particular read the second which was by a brave Jewish Professor willing to risk it all in order to tell the truth.
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June 24, 2015 11:36pm
Grant

EAD, I don’t have a problem. End of.
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June 25, 2015 6:09am
Manolo

Another throw of the dice:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_GREECE_BAILOUT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-06-24-08-27-22
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June 25, 2015 6:31am
mikenmild

EAD should seriously reconsider his Jew-hating behaviour. Try this as an antidote to his hateful reading recommendations:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Denying-Holocaust-Growing-Assault-Memory/dp/0452272742/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1435171993&sr=1-1&keywords=deborah+lipstadt
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June 25, 2015 6:52am
Griff

The problem with the likes of yourself Grant, which I’ve evidenced from the few times you’ve posted here is that you are so corrupted by fear and political correctness and riddled by cowardice, you won’t allow anything contrary to the comforting safety blanket narrative you have built up around yourself to enter your subconscious.

Wingnut projection
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wingnut
Just like not all conservatives are neocons, not all conservatives are wingnuts either. In fact, more often than not, the term is usually used interchangably with “reactionary” or “radical right”.

Being a wingnut requires a particularly paranoid worldview, teetering on the edge of or falling wholesale into tinfoil hat territory, as wingnuttery causes the victim to refuse to accept any source of information that doesn’t back up their prejudices (essentially, wingnuts are almost always authoritarian as well as being politically right-wing). Constant gibbering about the “liberal media” as well as a slavish devotion to cognitive dissonance, conspiracy theories, global warming denialism, psychological projection, and crackpot theories of economics (i.e. Austrian school) are also, if not required, at the very least nearly universal symptoms. This is all usually accompanied by a side dish of a severe persecution complex. Not all wingnuts are racists, misogynists, homophobes, or transphobes, though many racists, misogynists, homophobes, and transphobes are also wingnuts.
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June 25, 2015 7:09am
Dennis Horne

EAD (2,514 comments) says: June 24th, 2015 at 9:53 pm

1. The Jews in Europe did indeed suffer a Holocaust in which vast numbers of them were killed and otherwise lost their lives during WW II.

2. The numbers come nowhere near the mythical (and it is mythical) figure of six million. I don’t know what the number was, maybe nobody does but I suspect it was closer to a tenth of that figure.

3. Other peoples suffered a Holocaust as well during this time, at least as bad as that suffered by the Jews. I have in mind the Poles, Russians, Ukrainians and of course the Germans themselves. The ratio of Tutsis slaughtered in Rwanda dwarfs the ratio of Jews killed in their Holocaust. Yet Jews have cornered the genocide market.

4. There was no plan to exterminate Europe’s Jews. The plan was to get them into work camps, slave labour camps if you will, and at the end of the war expel them to Israel, Uganda, Madagascar or the steppes of Russia.

5. The majority of Jewish deaths resulted from the actions of the Einsatzgruppen and their local allies. These forces operated behind German lines after Operation Barbarossa to suppress local resistance. Such resistance was strongly associated with Jews who were in any event an easily identifiable target. Vast numbers were murdered and buried in mass graves. The local forces allied to the Einsatzgruppen undoubtedly took the opportunity to settle many an old score as part of the process. Typhus outbreaks in the camps were also a major contributor…possibly the largest.

6. The idea of the gas chambers as a form of mass slaughter is a complete fabrication.

7. The piles of skeletal bodies as seen in the iconic photos from Belsen and elsewhere represented the victims of typhus and starvation, the latter brought on by the bombing of German supply lines.

I have not arrived at these conclusions casually or quickly. I truly believe that they represent what really occurred.

mikenmild responds:

mikenmild (13,819 comments) says: June 25th, 2015 at 6:52 am
EAD should seriously reconsider his Jew-hating behaviour. Try this as an antidote to his hateful reading recommendations…

Are you making an argument or are you simply taking offence?
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June 25, 2015 7:11am
mikenmild

All of EAD’s points can be rebutted in detail, and have been by expert historians. EAD is simply peddling a collection of racist myths.
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June 25, 2015 7:16am
EAD

@ Mikemild,

at no point have I ever ‘denied’ that people died in German-held concentration camps, however I DO (and with good reason) debate: A) the numbers of dead, B) the existence of homicidal gas chambers and C) that there was some sort of official ‘unspoken’ systematic extermination policy.

As all well versed cultural Marxists know, the ‘holocaust’ mythology is only held up by emotional rhetoric (such as this book) where logic goes right out the window and massive political and financial support.

It ought also to be remembered that without the ‘holocaust’ narrative, the state of Israel would not have been brought into existence. Furthermore, without the ‘holocaust’ script, suddenly the defining feature of National-Socialism changes and it is open to reinterpretation – how much capital have the Marxists got tied up in being able to use the term “far-right” to dismiss those who oppose 3rd world mass immigration.

It is obvious to all rational thinking persons that there is an awful lot tied up in maintaining the myth of the holocaust – something that began as Communist war-propaganda into a repressive global anti-European cash-extorting pseudo-religion. Hence the histrionics from the likes of Mike and Grant.
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June 25, 2015 7:19am
mikenmild

EAD
Your points A, B and C have been well and truly refuted. Only a few desperate racists cling to those positions. Sounds like you regret that their mass-murdering antics got the Nazis a bad name.
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June 25, 2015 7:22am
EAD

Mike says,

“few desperate racists………. Sounds like you regret that their mass-murdering antics got the Nazis a bad name”

Just like the blurb of your book you linked to, all you’ve got is ad hominems. Nice tactic buddy – straight from Saul Alinksys “Rules for Radicals” ain’t it? You’re not fooling anyone.
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June 25, 2015 7:36am
Griff

EAD you are not worth debating.

I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.

George Bernard Shaw

You are a joke to be laughed at just like your mentor was.
One of the most fun rules for radicals.
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June 25, 2015 7:48am
mikenmild

EAD
You seem to be unaware that all of those points you repeat have been refuted, by professional historians, many, many times. When someone clings to theories that have no credibility, one looks for their motivation. In your case, that motivation is clear: pure anti-semitism.
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June 25, 2015 7:50am
deadrightkev

“I think Slater has got some serious issues to work out . . .”

I reckon Slater is simply an egotistical limelight seeker. He likes acting the prize c..t simply to draw attention to himself for ratings.

If he was an independent gutter blogger uncovering major wrongs that might be a different matter, then I would probably support him even though he doesn’t like me much (which I wear like a badge of honour) but he has a hidden political agenda. That makes Slater a lap blogger who cannot be trusted.
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