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Nostradamus

Goodbye May and hello June!

And in case you missed it…

Metiria Turei speech to Green Party AGM 2015:

I have to say I feel a little bit like the Bachelorette. It’s certainly been a while since I’ve had four men chasing after me to become my partner. And while they may not have the rippling abs and paleo diet toned bodies of the TV version, our bachelors are all political Adonis’s. Their political smarts, campaigning skills and genuine passion for our environment and people make them all worthy suitors.

Oh dear – pass the sick bag please!

James Shaw speech to Green Party AGM 2015

Some people have asked me questions like ‘What will you do once you’re ‘leader’ of the Green Party?’ Well, mostly I’m going to do whatever Metiria tells me to do. Same as before.

Oh my goodness – was that a “Hey ~~Clint~~ Metiria” moment?
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June 1, 2015 8:01am
Manolo

Pita sharpies given a knighthood. A title for a troughing minor politician and a joke for all NZ to see.
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June 1, 2015 8:03am
Pete George

John Key “I just don’t agree with drugs” – except alcohol.

The family of a Nelson teenager who went onto a seizure/coma 54 days ago want to be able to use a non-intoxicating form of cannabis oil but that looks to be virtually impossible in New Zealand.

Australia seem to be way ahead of us on this,

The bill would make the federal government responsible for overseeing the production, distribution and use of medicinal cannabis.

A Senate inquiry into the bill is set to report back to Parliament next month. The bill looks likely to pass into law, particularly given Prime Minister Tony Abbott threw his support behind the legalisation last year.

“I have no problem with the medical use of cannabis just as I have no problem with the medical use of opiates,” he said.

Fourteen US states are trialling or allow the use of CBD. More legislation is pending there.

The National Government seems to be in the dark ages when it comes to medicinal use of cannabis oil.

Sativex or CBD for teenager coma treatment?
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June 1, 2015 8:10am
EAD

As John Key continues his policies that are making us tenants in our own land, here’s a disturbing piece of news – the Chinese government has now mandated that Chinese companies need Communist Party Units within their businesses:

http://news.yahoo.com/china-tells-workplaces-must-communist-party-units-091304133.html

Do I expect our mass market media to divert from making us feel good about ourselves, to report on what this means for our future, especially as the diary downturn means Key will allow even more of our farms to be acquired by Communist Party interests?

Is this depressing state of affairs in our beloved country why our forefathers went to war?
https://100daystodemocracy.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/utterly-awful-amy-not-what-my-father-fought-for/
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June 1, 2015 8:11am
oldpark

Two financial eunuchs living in the Wellington Central electorate. Both financial mouthpieces for their Party,s. :”Hands Knees and bumps a daisy” Grant Robertson, and the latest carpetbagger,from the commie Greens. Already given the name “MR Bean” alias James Shaw. Both sworn to lead NZ to financial nirvana. In fact financial disaster,if they ever get control of the treasury benches.
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June 1, 2015 8:13am
Simon

Looking forward to comrade Shaw wrapping himself in a Tibetan flag next time some Chinese bigwig is out. This seems to be the role of the male Co-Leader.

Though to be fair to Turei she cant wrap herself in a Tibetan flag as they dont seem to make them big enough.
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June 1, 2015 8:20am
ChrisM

The Greens have a policy to promote the use of rail using money that is saved from motorway construction.
https://www.greens.org.nz/policy/smarter-economy/green-transport
It is freight that makes railways their income. Passenger trains, no matter how often they run, are loss makers. However, the Greens also want to stop coal mining and dairy farming. These are two of the biggest users of rail transport. In fact, the former is the only reason why the Canterbury to West Coast line still exists. Darying would be the main user of the line Marton to Taranaki.
Did none of the party decision makers ever do Economics 101, or are they just cynical manipulators of soundbites with no real intellectual horsepower behind the noise? My money is on the latter.
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June 1, 2015 8:21am
dime

Just hit a diner. No wonder yanks are fat. Holy hell. What a glorious experience.

This place is in a bit of a time warp but all good.

Overcast today but about to hit the pool.

Only downside is I can’t watch the cricket tonight and missed the Warriors 🙁
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June 1, 2015 8:44am
stephieboy

Manolo, Sir Pita Sharples ? Hmmm .. One fellow “darkie” speaking to another . Thought there would be a lot more in common there so to speak ?
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June 1, 2015 8:52am
SGA

dime at 8:44 am

Just hit a diner. No wonder yanks are fat. Holy hell. What a glorious experience.

I know what you mean – good diners and delis are two things I really enjoy about the US.
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June 1, 2015 9:00am
Manolo

The UN pushing for more multiculturalism: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3104528/UN-likens-Britain-NAZI-Germany-threat-quit-European-convention-human-rights.html
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June 1, 2015 9:00am
Nostradamus

Right – so picture this scenario:

1. It’s a T20 cricket match.
2. Your team is batting second and needs 228 runs to win.
3. You go out there and smash 151 not out (15 sixes and 10 fours) from 62 balls.
4. Your team mates only need to get 77 runs off 58 balls.
5. Your team loses by three runs.

I can only imagine how Chris Gaye feels.
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June 1, 2015 9:01am
Manolo

@progressive stephieboy: Glad to report I have nothing in common with the Treaty beneficiary, mediocre veteran politician and trougher Pita Sharples.
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June 1, 2015 9:04am
wiseowl

Manalo.You missed racist.
Sharples just on the news says, Maari dont realise the importance of having their own racist vote.
He is proud of the billions of dollars he has been able to extract from taxpayers for Maari things.

Hey Dime ,watch those big helpings.
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June 1, 2015 9:05am
stephieboy

manolo, except your darker skins then ?

Yes ?

Now what is your real secret agenda ??
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June 1, 2015 9:08am
stephieboy

‘No body, no parole’: New rule proposed for killers in Australia,

Killers who refuse to tell South Australian police what happened to their victims will remain in jail under a proposed “no body, no parole” rule.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/no-body-parole-new-rule-proposed-killers-in-australia-6327146

Intersting !
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June 1, 2015 9:28am
Dave_1924

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11457795

No hard feelings Kevin….. ah ha…. that sounds like there is a lot of tension between the man who is king and the man who thought it was his job but the membership thought otherwise… if Shaw stumbles over the next few months it will be interesting…..
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June 1, 2015 9:39am
laworder

Stephieboy wrote

‘No body, no parole’: New rule proposed for killers in Australia,

Killers who refuse to tell South Australian police what happened to their victims will remain in jail under a proposed “no body, no parole” rule.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/no-body-parole-new-rule-proposed-killers-in-australia-6327146

Seems reasonable, and will expedite closure for the victims family. The sort of crim that wont do this is the sort that isnt ready to be back in society anyway

Regards
Peter J
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June 1, 2015 9:46am
Steve (North Shore)

Dime, keep us informed. I am going to Aston Waikiki on June 22 for 3 days, en route to Alaska. Then back again in late July for a night time lava tour on the big island,
Can’t wait
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June 1, 2015 9:50am
Steve (North Shore)

I guess the miserable shit who downticked me did not get Queens Birthday award
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June 1, 2015 10:01am
Than

From James Shaw’s victory speech;

“I have been clear on the campaign trail that while I don’t support a formal coalition with National, I am very open to working with National where there is common cause. Let us build common cause on climate change.”

A formal coalition is only one possibility for the Greens allowing a National-led government, and by far the least likely one. An agreement to vote yes (or just abstain) on confidence/supply would be much more likely, and even that would be a major dead-rat for many Green supporters to swallow. This statement should have the vehemently anti-National element of the Green party worried.
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June 1, 2015 10:07am
Albert_Ross

Seems EAD is so horrified at the idea of state intervention in the way companies run themselves, he thinks that the Government here should constrain the rights of property owners to sell whatever property, whenever, to whomever, and for whatever price they themselves choose.
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June 1, 2015 10:20am
wiseowl

Put it this way Albert.Why do other countries not allow their land to be sold off to foreign owners? .
And in most cases they have a lot more than we do.
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June 1, 2015 10:38am
Jack5

In the past there were NZ cases of teachers’ and lecturers’ sexual molestations being kept quiet as they were given references so they would move on, hopefully to another country. There was a case at Canterbury University of a lecturer who then went to an American university, and presumably carried on preying on female students. There were also cases of teachers on warning registers overseas preying on kids in NZ schools. The gutless solution was to give the offenders a good reference and get rid of them.

Now it seems to be foreign doctors who can get away with things in sleepy NZ. Evidence is this case of a British doctor, presumably of Sri Lankan ethnicity, who has been in trouble in Britain, but got away with an incident in NZ ultimately because a Palmerston North court discharged him without conviction, leaving the medical folk powerless to inform people of his action.

Our justice system again lets us down. Is it so weak because of the feminisation of the judicial system? Surely it hasn’t always been this way.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/68996939/legal-loophole-keeps-british-doctors-sexual-assault-secret
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June 1, 2015 10:52am
Fletch

Let us build common cause on climate change.”

Fark, they just can’t leave the issue be, can they? Wake up and smell the ozone – human-caused climate change is a farce.
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June 1, 2015 10:54am
mikenmild

How has this ‘feminisation’ of the justice system manifested itself?
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June 1, 2015 10:55am
Viking2

The racists win again.

http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/

Rotorua, population 65,901, is the city known for geysers, the bathhouse, the gondola and luge, the lake, and Maori culture shows for tourists. A Maori culture show with a difference has bubbled away over the past year as mayor Stephanie (call me Steve) Chadwick has pushed through a proposal to have local tribal appointees sit and vote on committees of the Rotorua Lakes Council.
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June 1, 2015 11:01am
Jack5

Milkenmild posted at 10.55:

How has this ‘feminisation’ of the justice system manifested itself?

IMHO, in softer sentences, and more cases like the one I pointed to at 10.52, where there are discharges without conviction.

Here’s another example, given by veteran reporter Jock Anderson in the Hooerald on Friday:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11454992

However, it’s not just the judiciary. The Queenstown female police sergeant who, in an off-duty, weekend drunken rant, abused a foreign tax driver with racist language was given a discharge without conviction. That incident, however, still cost the sergeant her police career, while the Sri Lankan-British doctor was able to continue his career in Britain, and apparently assault another woman, and in a similar situation to that of the NZ offence.
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June 1, 2015 11:08am
Inandout

Manolo: That UN woman rep Raquel Rolnik looks quite insane.
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June 1, 2015 11:09am
OneTrack

“The racists win again”

“. … we are moving beyond the limited concept of democracy, that one man, one vote …..

Who needs democracy when you can appoint the chosen “elite” to power over the peons. Worked for Auckland, didn’t quite work for New Plymouth and now its Rotorua’s turn to expand the trough, where your role is life is determined by your blood quantum.

Look, “Steve” needs to tell the “citizens” what’s good for them. Well most of them don’t even have a BA. The horror.
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June 1, 2015 11:10am
mikenmild

You have no evidence that sentences are ‘softer’. If anything, I should think the reverse is the case. How would that link to so-called ‘feminisation’ anyway?
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June 1, 2015 11:11am
OneTrack

That UN woman rep Raquel Rolnik sounds quite insane. FIFY
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June 1, 2015 11:13am
RF

I see the gween hand puppet managed to vote for himself for leader. Not one of his comrades thought he was worth it and he finished up with the grand total of 1. Oh the embarrassment !!!!!!

I guess he can always get a job as a clown.
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June 1, 2015 11:15am
Jack5

Milkenmild at 11.11….

What is your evidence, even anecdotal evidence, for asserting sentences are harder?

And if not feminisation, what would you attribute to the soft fate of the Sri Lankan-British doctor in NZ compared with that of the police sergeant (and in this case both were discharged without conviction). Surely you aren’t suggesting there is racism — PC racism — in the harsher fate of the white police sergeant compared with that of the presumably darker skinned doctor? That would be your conclusion, Milky, not mine.
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June 1, 2015 11:15am
mikenmild

You’re the one trying to make the case that sentences have become softer, so I think it is incumbent upon you to provide evidence of same.
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June 1, 2015 11:21am
Jack5

C/mon Milky (11.21 post) …. you’ve got no facts at all, have you?

I gave you anecdotal support for my position, now where is yours?

And it’s not just the judicial system, it’s the prison system. In the new prison in Auckland, there is a TV and a phone in every cell, I understand.

The justice system getting harder, is it Milky? What planet do you live on?
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June 1, 2015 11:56am
Manolo

Horror of horrors: http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/kathleen-willey-hillary-a-money-hungry-hypocrite/

Kathleen Willey, the former White House aide who claims President Bill Clinton sexually assaulted her in 1993 during his first term, now suspects the former president suffers from dementia, and calls Hillary Clinton a “money-hungry” hypocrite who looks “awfully haggard” and is the “worst role mother for a wife and a mother and a politician.”
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June 1, 2015 11:59am
Manolo

The lazy Greeks refuse to acknowledge reality and its communist government is digging a deeper grave: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c5f09636-07b6-11e5-9579-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3blSbZFhO

Greece’s chances of striking a deal to access a much-needed €7.2bn in rescue aid looked even bleaker on Sunday after Alexis Tsipras, prime minister, accused bailout monitors of making “absurd” demands and seeking to impose “harsh punishment” on Athens.
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June 1, 2015 12:12pm
Fletch

No Midday news on TV One again today I see. I’ve said it before: New Zealand must be the only country in the world where the newsreaders take the day off on a public holiday and on weekends. It’s just ridiculous.
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June 1, 2015 12:13pm
Reid

I see the gween hand puppet managed to vote for himself for leader.

Was that Gaweth RF?

No Midday news on TV One again today I see.

Why is that a problem?

Surely they never cover anything important anyway? I wouldn’t know since I stopped watching all TV news about 5 years ago and so far I haven’t missed anything.
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June 1, 2015 12:15pm
Weihana

Pete George (24,505 comments) says:
June 1st, 2015 at 8:10 am

John Key “I just don’t agree with drugs” – except alcohol.

The family of a Nelson teenager who went onto a seizure/coma 54 days ago want to be able to use a non-intoxicating form of cannabis oil but that looks to be virtually impossible in New Zealand.

…

The National Government seems to be in the dark ages when it comes to medicinal use of cannabis oil.

No, they’re calculating political pragmatists without a soul. Do you see Labour making a big deal? Of course not because that would be politically courageous. They’d rather stick to their pragmatic political maneuvering where one day John Key will retire or die and it will be their turn again.
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June 1, 2015 12:35pm
kowtow

The justice system getting harder, is it Milky?

A recent high profile and tragic murder where the guilty party has name suppression is proof that our “justice” system does not work and leaves very dangerous people out on the streets to brutally murder vulnerable women.

Whose “human rights” are being protected by the NZ state in these instances? law abiding citizens are constantly being let down by the state in its fundamental duties towards us.
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June 1, 2015 1:00pm
Johnboy

I’m really quite interested in that Russian girl that DPF seems to be sponsoring.
Sheep are fine but it’s difficult to discuss rocket science with them! 🙂
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June 1, 2015 1:55pm
Andrei

I’m really quite interested in that Russian girl that DPF seems to be sponsoring

Alas Johnboy she is really a fat middle aged man from Nigeria working from an office in a sleazy backstreet in Lagos
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June 1, 2015 2:01pm
Johnboy

Dreadful to see otherwise upright citizens selling their soul for a few pieces of silver Andrei! 🙂
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June 1, 2015 2:10pm
Albert_Ross

Why do other countries not allow their land to be sold off to foreign owners?

erm – Because they’re misguided, interventionist and economically illiterate?
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June 1, 2015 3:19pm
Inandout

Fletch: Hosking is the worst for taking time off, for school holidays, his own holidays, anything.
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June 1, 2015 3:35pm
Johnboy

http://www.stuff.co.nz/blogs/opinion/cartoons/6489991/Dilbert
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June 1, 2015 3:58pm
Manolo

The less Hosking we have on radio, the better. The guy is an insufferable peacock.
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June 1, 2015 4:21pm
Manolo

American socialists’ wet dream:
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/9867696e-05dc-11e5-b676-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3blSbZFhO

Left-wing politicians are in electoral retreat across most of the western world. The one exception is the United States. At 15 per cent in the Democratic polls, Bernie Sanders, the senator from Vermont, is riding higher than any US socialist since Eugene Debs ran for the White House a century ago.
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June 1, 2015 4:53pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c90a0wo55u4ouoa/Feminist%203.jpg?dl=0
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June 1, 2015 5:22pm
Johnboy

Don’t mock nasska…it exists! 🙂

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_feminism
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June 1, 2015 5:29pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/czgt5xhv88eab27/Feminists%201.jpg?dl=0
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June 1, 2015 5:34pm
Johnboy

Didn’t she stand for Labour last election nasska?

She may have got in. (not with me of course) 🙂
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June 1, 2015 5:38pm
Nostradamus

Ouch!

Footage of a cyclist slamming into a parked car has gone viral and demonstrated the importance of keeping your eyes on the road. The incident was captured on the dash cam of a car, being driven by a learner driver and trainer in Liverpool, England.

What’s worse – the physical pain of the accident or the ritual humiliation of having millions of people view the clip?
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June 1, 2015 5:59pm
Johnboy

And our idiot road police tell us all to watch our speedo’s Nostradamus?

No wonder we have so many accidents! 🙂
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June 1, 2015 6:01pm
Nostradamus

Johnboy:

Just don’t tell the Greens.

They want to invest “at least $100 million a year” of our money in “new safe, separated walking and cycling infrastructure” – and this video might give them more funny ideas!
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June 1, 2015 6:04pm
stigie

http://www.funnypica.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/funny-fat-girlfriend-on-fire.jpg

Its important we watch our speed JB ?
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June 1, 2015 6:09pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

Do you really need to share your perverted fantasies with us when it’s dinner time? 🙂
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June 1, 2015 6:10pm
Johnboy

Where the fuck did you get footage of the sister-in-law stigie? 🙂
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June 1, 2015 6:21pm
OneTrack

Just watching Road Cops on TV. They don’t have an easy job.
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June 1, 2015 7:09pm
dave_c_

What is this crap on TV3 – ‘Something cops’ – trash, cheap , sound bite rubbish
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June 1, 2015 7:28pm
Manolo

The communist threatens the financial world: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102720473

In an article for Le Monde newspaper, Alexis Tsipras lambasted the “absurd proposals” of its international lenders and issued a stark warning of a future euro bloc that resembled a “technocratic monstrosity.”

“The issue of Greece does not only concern Greece; rather, it is the very epicentre of conflict between two diametrically opposing strategies concerning the future of European unification,” he wrote in the comment piece, which was published online on Sunday.
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June 1, 2015 8:36pm
srylands

Any Labour strategist (sic) looking at this photo from yesterday must surely be contemplating how to cut the Greens loose for the 2017 election. It looks like a wedding photo of some strange arranged marriage in Turkmenistan.

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/eight_col_IMAG2951.jpg
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June 1, 2015 9:17pm
srylands

“What is this crap on TV3 – ‘Something cops’ – trash, cheap , sound bite rubbish”
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You seem surprised. Welcome to New Zealand broadcast television.

What really shits me is New Zealand On Air paying for this crap. Like $8 million+ for this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/68982604/Filthy-Rich-TV-show-inspired-by-Ponytailgate

This scam should be shut down and all these morons can go out of business.

The NZOA mission is:

“We invest in innovative, creative programming with a diversity of faces, stories and storytellers.
One of our primary functions under the Broadcasting Act 1989 is to reflect and develop New Zealand identity and culture. We do this by ensuring a range of broadcast content is available to New Zealanders.”

They can get fucked. And get fucked again. 🙁
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June 1, 2015 9:25pm
Left Right and Centre

I’d say TV / internet is transitioning NZders from Kiwi English to American English . . .

Gen Y largely treat them as acceptably interchangeable. People aged 50s+ are going to be left in the dust as they scream ‘no, no, noooo – this is all wrong’. But that’s the way it’s going.

With the overwhelming content overload from America it seems to be a case of if you can’t bet them, join them.

That’s just easier, isn’t it ? It’s easier if we all speak American English. So many kiwis feed on a steady diet of Americana, suckling on the teat of American English, that they are speaking it themselves – kiwi English will surely die out.

AmE is gaining acceptance by it’s use in NZ – how long before an official changeover happens – like changing from driving on the left side to the right ?

The media are complicit in this cultural shift – I suspect they sense that culturally NZ is moving further and further along the path of AmE as they perceive users to prefer the AmE of their cool TV friends. The advertising dollar rules – so if you think ratings turn on using the ‘more popular’ AmE – then that’s what you’re going to get. Heavy AmE not just on the US programmes but also the NZ programmes – it’s a case of them trying to fit in with the 95% BS yank content. Because that’s a lot of kiwis now. Americanised to the point whereby you don’t want to risk alienating them using their own traditional speech patterns. Because Gen Y are now Gen One AmericaNZs.
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June 1, 2015 9:33pm
kowtow

That was a big one, short and sharp.
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