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General Debate 15 June 2015

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Dennis Horne

There was an old physicist called Con
Who used to drive round an old bomb
It made hardly a sound
But then he found
Not sparks but quarks and some gluon
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June 15, 2015 8:18am
kowtow

Multicultural enrichment UK style…….

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3123580/Yorkshire-teenager-Britain-s-youngest-suicide-bomber-ISIS-Iraq.html
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June 15, 2015 8:23am
Paulus

I am sad to read the following statistics

48% of children born into benefit families will not sit NCEA, and 45% will become beneficiaries themselves.

If you are a 9 year old Maori and you cannot read or write then you have an 82% chance of ending in jail.

And Maori want any vacant building land in Auckland for them selves, by racial right. Sod any better future for all New Zealanders.
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June 15, 2015 8:25am
Keeping Stock

big bruve on yesterday’s General Debate:

Elaycee

Let me make a small correction for you.

“Stunning day for Kiwi motor racing….”

Sitting in a car, or, sitting on top of a horse while they do laps of a track does not constitute sport.

Thanks, glad I could clear that up for you.

With the greatest respect big bruv, motor racing at the elite level (or at any level) is a sport. Guys like Earl Bamber, Brendon Hartley, Mitch Evans and Hayden Paddon are athletes, who train exceptionally hard to compete with the world’s motorsport elite.

The Oxford Dictionary defines “sport” thus:

An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/sport

Driving a car like a Porsche sports car or a WRC car requires a huge amount of physical exertion, coordination, reflexes and courage. And given that 264,000 people turned up at Le Mans at the weekend, I think we can safely conclude that the drivers provided entertainment.
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June 15, 2015 8:30am
mikenmild

Speaking of sport, another good win for the Black Caps in another high scoring match. Ross Taylor in excellent form.
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June 15, 2015 8:38am
Pete George

“Ross Taylor in excellent form” – very good but outscored by Kane Williamson who was awarded man of the match, 118 of less balls than Taylor’s 110.

A few wobbles at the end but a good win.

A shame about Boult’s injury, out for the rest of the tour. Newbies Santner and Wheeler did ok, the Black Caops have more depth and talent coming through than they have had for a long time.
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June 15, 2015 8:42am
hj

I woke up at 3am turned on the radio and listened to the news. In Afganistan the Taliban are slogging it out with Isis and there have been a couple of beheadings posted. Again (Boko harem) this is an Islamic torch shining in the darkness; the meme is pure Islam. Moderate Moslems are like pit-bull owners they are in denial, but Islam is a pit-bull of a religion.
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June 15, 2015 8:44am
big bruv

Keeping Stock

I do not doubt the levels of physical fitness required to compete at the elite level in motor racing. However, that does not alter the fact that sitting in a motor vehicle, or astride a horse, when the engine or the animal is doing the work does not constitute sport.
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June 15, 2015 8:46am
Manolo

…but Islam is a pit-bull of a religion.

It is more than that: it is a brutal and violent cult that remains stuck in the 7th century.
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June 15, 2015 8:47am
mjw

Happy 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta everyone! The fight against the capricious power of the state remains as important as ever.
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June 15, 2015 8:49am
Simon

Massive protests between State worshiping neo-marxist scum and the productive in Eucador.

Unless National starts gutting the State this is NZ’s future. Just look at the scum to the left of National thats who will be calling the shots at some stage.
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June 15, 2015 8:50am
Colville

Keeping Stock

Dont forget Bruce Anstey who won the Isle of Mann TT superbike race for the 10th time last week.

and if Big Bruv thinks you win that race by just ‘sitting in a motor vehicle” he needs his head read.

drifting a superbike into a corner totally sideways at 150 MILES per hour , between a couple of stone walls and often in the clouds…is not my idea of a nice day out however :-)!
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June 15, 2015 8:51am
Inandout

The government is confident iwi won’t win their claim for the housing land, but it will be settled as usual by taxpayer ‘koha’. And old Underpants Tuku is still skimming I see.

“Our major Treaty settlement Acts…provide us with a right of first refusal when the government plans to privatise land, and these rights will endure well into the 22nd century,” Waikato-Tainui’s Tukoroirangi Morgan and Ngati Whatua’s Ngarimu Blair said in a joint statement”.

This country will stumble from Treaty holdup to Treaty holdup so long as weak governments cave in to iwi demands, and if the Greens manage to write ‘climate change’ into every building project, then NZ may as well just close down.
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June 15, 2015 8:53am
Inandout

mjw: We don’t have ‘power of the state’ in NZ; it is the power of interest groups.
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June 15, 2015 8:56am
Keeping Stock

@ Colville – right on the money. High-horsepower vehicles, whether two wheeled or four, have a mind of their own, and need an exceedingly skilled rider or driver with balls of titanium.

Earl Bamber, a product of Wanganui, has served an apprenticeship in the lower echelons of motorsport around Asia, but this win on in one of the world’s most prestigious races will secure his future. He joins Chris Amon and the late Bruce McLaren as the only New Zealanders to win Le Mans, and that is pretty exalted company.
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June 15, 2015 9:03am
BeaB

Yet another example of journalists low IQ in the Sunday Star Times. The dreadful quandary every time the car needs to be filled about which side the cap is on!
Can’t they see the little picture of a petrol pump with the arrow pointing to the correct side?
Every car has one on the dash but even sign language is now too hard, it seems.
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June 15, 2015 9:07am
flipper

Colville…
little Bruv may have a head. But he has no brain.
Just plain, bloody silly? Nay, obtuse.
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June 15, 2015 9:10am
Dave_1924

A shopping channel has broken out on the blog formally known as WOBH…….. now featuring a Product of the Month…..
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June 15, 2015 9:17am
EAD

Must be a particularly cold winter in the deep south :

http://yournz.org/2015/06/15/manolo-pedreschi-recidivist-liar-and-blog-bully/
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June 15, 2015 9:17am
Ed Snack

I think someone, a few days ago, compared Denis’s doggerel to that of Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings, the comparison is apt.
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June 15, 2015 9:18am
dime

Am I to understand that the govt is trying to make a shit ton of govt land in Auckland available for housing?

To help struggling KIWI FAMILIES into houses?

But now we have some scabbing maoris trying to say they should get first dibs??

WHAT THE FUCK??

why do we put up with this shit?
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June 15, 2015 9:26am
freemark

big bruv (14,495 comments) says:
June 15th, 2015 at 8:46 am

BB hates to see Kiwis doing well in any sporting endeavour by the looks, and is at great pains to belittle any achievement.
Still can’t get over being the last to be picked for that game of bull-rush, or beach cricket, or anything BB?
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June 15, 2015 9:36am
EAD

“Although the House of Representatives voted down legislation to “fast-track” trade deals through Congress – it appears the TPP may have already secured its future with millions in donations made to US Senators since the start of the year…”

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/06/13/trojan-horse-the-trans-pacific-partnership-has-already-bought-off-washington/

If history is a lesson, the recent House vote is pure political theater, as there is no real opposition to the much debated TPP trade deal – something which has been shrouded in secrecy since its inception

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/05/john-v-walsh/the-emperor-beckons-us-to-the-graveyard/
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June 15, 2015 9:41am
ross411

There was an old coot named Dennis,
Who to everyone’s ears was a menace.
If he got up at dawn,
Right after browsing his porn,
He could drop his load on kiwiblog.

No need to thank me. I don’t do it for the accolades. If you like my work, donate to my favourite charity. Dunkin’ Donuts. They give you a coffee and yeasty gluten goodness in return.
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June 15, 2015 9:50am
ross411

mjw (501 comments) says:
June 15th, 2015 at 8:49 am
Happy 800th anniversary of the signing of the Magna Carta everyone! The fight against the capricious power of the state remains as important as ever.

Hi Male Justice Warrior, what does this mean in English?
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June 15, 2015 9:52am
Scott

Ah the joys of living in a 21st-century liberal society – homosexuality is now compulsory.
Yes you read it right. You must agree with homosexuality, you cannot object to homosexuality, if you do then you will be punished!

“DJ refuses to work birthday party for gay man in Maryland
http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/69381353/dj-refuses-to-work-birthday-party-for-gay-man-in-maryland
First there was the New Mexico wedding photographer. Then there was the Indiana pizza maker. Now there is the Maryland disc jockey.
Dani Tsakounis tried to help her brother hire Ultrasound Deejays for a party.
An owner of the business told Tsakounis he would not provide the DJ because Tsakounis’s brother is married to another man and the birthday party they were hosting was for their 60-year-old roommate, also gay.
“I just said, ‘We won’t be able to do it, we’re a Christian organisation and it would go against our faith, I’m sorry,'” Michael Lampiris, co-owner of Ultrasound Deejays, said Friday.

Tom Tsakounis, 46, was so upset when his sister told him that he posted the news on his neighbourhood listserv, prompting calls of sympathy from neighbours.
He also registered a complaint with the Montgomery County Human Rights Commission, which hears cases of alleged discrimination.”

He was so upset. Well if he’s upset then the person who upset him must be punished. Don’t worry about the Christians and that pesky thing called freedom of conscience, gayness is everything!
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June 15, 2015 9:52am
big bruv

freemark

Apart from the NZ rugby team, I always like to see NZ teams do well in their sporting endeavours.

My point is this (one which seems to have escaped your tiny mind) if one is interested in motor racing, or horse racing, then the achievements of the men who partake in those pastimes might be of some interest. As I have previously mentioned, I do not belittle the physical requirements of either event, I am sure they are vast, however, if the person partaking in that event is not powering his machine through his own physical effort then it cannot be cannot be considered a sport.

Oh, and just so we are crystal clear, I do indeed hate the NZ national rugby team.
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June 15, 2015 10:06am
EAD

At what point do you say that the MSM is not only corrupt, but actually advancing the cause of the divide and rule Marxists?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/cnn-attacking-dallas-police-hq-courageous-and-brave.html
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June 15, 2015 10:06am
wf

Dennis ”the Menace” O’Horne
Did, from the moment when born,
Aspire to give mirth
To all people on earth,
With a diet of unmitigated corn.

OK Den? 🙂
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June 15, 2015 10:10am
G152

Am I to understand that the govt is trying to make a shit ton of govt land in Auckland available for housing?

To help struggling KIWI FAMILIES into houses?

But now we have some scabbing maoris trying to say they should get first dibs??

WHAT THE FUCK??

why do we put up with this shit?

…………………………………………………
There is a term. Land banking where they will hold on to any land until it has trebled in value
and then flog off small sections and look like they’re doing the homeless a favour.
Of course that money will never gravitate to the tribe or its rank and file but
remain in the pockets and care of a few ‘leaders’..
They have all that money from previous settlements to go to court and waste money, time and patience.
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June 15, 2015 10:14am
BeaB

“Much of the public debate has been around proposals to sell off large numbers of state houses but already Housing New Zealand are moving large numbers of state houses,” Labour housing spokesman Phil Twyford said.

Phil Twyford can’t seem to make his mind up. Does he want house prices to stay high?T

“The sales were mainly taking place in regional areas, in favour of Auckland and other growth areas in the North Island, where Housing NZ acknowledges there is a major shortage.

In Gisborne houses were sold at an average of 22 per cent below GV, while sales in Waikato were 30 per cent below GV.

“They appear to be systematically flicking off these houses below their council valuations,” Twyford said.

“In some cases I believe that will be putting at risk and depressing the property values of local homeowners.”
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June 15, 2015 10:15am
dime

“Oh, and just so we are crystal clear, I do indeed hate the NZ national rugby team.”

seriously? since when?
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June 15, 2015 10:26am
KevinH

From the Herald:

Yesterday a spokesman for Ngati Whatua said the iwi supported the Government’s goal to ensure more safe, warm, attractive and affordable homes are built in the Auckland region “as soon as possible”, but it took issue with land being used for private housing developments.

// Fair enough, Iwi are concerned that Crown land may fall into the hands of developers who may not build social housing.

Iwi said under the Treaty of Waitangi they were allowed first right of refusal for such a project, but the Government disagreed, saying a clause in its agreement with the collective allows the Housing Minister to dispose of land if in the minister’s opinion “the disposal is to achieve or assist in achieving the Crown’s social objectives in relation to housing or services related to housing”.

// Iwi are entitled to challenge the interpretation of this clause, the key phrase “Crown’s social objectives” suggests that the disposal of land would be for social housing.
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June 15, 2015 10:27am
big bruv

Dime

For roughly the last fifteen years or so. Ever since the Canterbury mafia got control of the game.
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June 15, 2015 10:31am
dime

“Iwi said under the Treaty of Waitangi they were allowed first right of refusal for such a project”

Really? Can someone point of where?

Article the first [Article 1]
The Chiefs of the Confederation of the United Tribes of New Zealand and the separate and independent Chiefs who have not become members of the Confederation cede to Her Majesty the Queen of England absolutely and without reservation all the rights and powers of Sovereignty which the said Confederation or Individual Chiefs respectively exercise or possess, or may be supposed to exercise or to possess over their respective Territories as the sole sovereigns thereof.

Article the second [Article 2]
Her Majesty the Queen of England confirms and guarantees to the Chiefs and Tribes of New Zealand and to the respective families and individuals thereof the full exclusive and undisturbed possession of their Lands and Estates Forests Fisheries and other properties which they may collectively or individually possess so long as it is their wish and desire to retain the same in their possession; but the Chiefs of the United Tribes and the individual Chiefs yield to Her Majesty the exclusive right of Preemption over such lands as the proprietors thereof may be disposed to alienate at such prices as may be agreed upon between the respective Proprietors and persons appointed by Her Majesty to treat with them in that behalf. If in the future the government decides to free up land for cheap housing, they must first offer this land to the Chiefs first.

Article the third [Article 3]
In consideration thereof Her Majesty the Queen of England extends to the Natives of New Zealand Her royal protection and imparts to them all the Rights and Privileges of British Subjects.

(signed) William Hobson, Lieutenant-Governor.
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June 15, 2015 10:32am
KevinH

From Stuff:

Celia Wade Brown:

Wellington’s south coast roads are under threat as an increasing number of storm surges pummel them, the city’s mayor is warning.

Celia Wade-Brown made the warning on Monday morning, as the road from Lyall Bay to Moa Point remained closed after boulders were washed onto it on Sunday.

While waves washing over south coast roads had occurred before they were now becoming increasingly common as a direct impact of climate change, she said.
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June 15, 2015 10:35am
stigie

You never cease to amuse us Big Bruv !~
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June 15, 2015 10:37am
big bruv

stigie

What do you find so funny?
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June 15, 2015 10:40am
Paulus

dime

Noted your copy of the Treaty of Waitangi – but the Maori written version translates into whatever they want.
After all they were illiterate then anyway – and many still are – see education statistics.
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June 15, 2015 10:42am
Colville

For roughly the last fifteen years or so. Ever since the Canterbury mafia got control of the game.

Yip coz those Cantabs look like they will win another Super title this year…oh wait…
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June 15, 2015 10:46am
stigie

Have you ever seen a driver after doing a 36-40k stage BB, they are absolutely drenched in sweat.

You need to be in top form physical condition to handle such concentration for such speeds !~
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June 15, 2015 10:48am
Akaroa

What is ‘Sport”

Well, sitting in a race-car twiddling the wheel and changing gear certainly ain’t. In fact the term ‘Motor-sport’ is self-contradictory in my humble opinion.

Similarly, sitting astride a motorbike and whizzing round the Isle of Man, or wherever, leaning this way and that and changing gear up and down ain’t a sport either in the true sense of the word. Its the skilful and practised manipulation of a machine.

OK. I take off my hat to those who drive and ride at high speeds. I truly do! They are accomplished exponents of their chosen pursuit. I wouldn’t take one iota of admiration away from them. Its death defying and exciting to watch.

But it aint ‘Sport”. Sport is the setting of the participant’s muscle power and agility against others of the same ilk. Think soccer, rugby, basketball, netball, cross-country running, field sports, track sports, boxing, swimming competitively and endurance-wise.

THEY are sports. Motor and motorcycle racing are CRAFTS, not sports, and, again, let me say how much I admire the successful exponents thereof.

But don’t mix them up with real sports, eh?
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June 15, 2015 10:50am
Colville

Is sailing a “sport” ??
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June 15, 2015 10:53am
stigie

Is curling a “sport” ?
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June 15, 2015 10:54am
big bruv

Stigie

I have not said that motor racing is a sport that does not require physical fitness. What I have said is that it is a pastime and not a sport.
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June 15, 2015 11:00am
big bruv

Akaroa gets it.
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June 15, 2015 11:01am
wiseowl

Craig Foss says he is looking forward to amalgamation of Hawkes’ Bay Councils so that Hawkes Bay can achieve its economic potential.

What an absolute load of rubbish.
Hawkes Bay is actually doing very well and the reason it is held back is because of the ever increasing legislation he and his Government and also past governments, have kept introducing that hampers development and increases costs to those businesses that bring export income into the region and country.
Compliance and regulation along with Treaty costs are like a handbrake on this countries well being.
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June 15, 2015 11:06am
James Stephenson

What makes Bruce Anstey less of a sportsman, using his skill and agility on a motorbike, than Barcelona’s goalie hanging around at one end of a pitch while Lionel Messi bangs in goals at the other?

My personal definition of “sport” has bigger problems with the likes of gymnastics and ice skating where “winning” is down to a panel of judges’ subjective opinions.

It’s the ability to objectively measure further, faster, stronger that makes a sport for me.
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June 15, 2015 11:07am
Manolo

Chess is a sport (for the brain).
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June 15, 2015 11:08am
big bruv

Colville & Stigie

Yes & Yes.
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June 15, 2015 11:14am
J Bloggs

How about shooting and archery?
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June 15, 2015 11:17am
Manolo

A beast is sent to meet his maker: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3123917/Al-Qaeda-commander-attack-Algerian-gas-plant-left-40-workers-dead-including-six-Britons-killed-airstrike-Libya.html
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June 15, 2015 11:22am
big bruv

J Bloogs

Yes and Yes.
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June 15, 2015 11:28am
ciaron

Is sailing a “sport” ??
Given the above criteria, only if you don’t use cleats or winches? 🙂
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June 15, 2015 11:28am
Colville

My personal definition of “sport” has bigger problems with the likes of gymnastics and ice skating where “winning” is down to a panel of judges’ subjective opinions.

Or as with boxing….who paid the judges the biggest bribe…
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June 15, 2015 11:28am
Fletch

I’m sick of the Government having to bend over ~~backwards~~ forwards in accommodating iwi in every little decision that involves any land anywhere. I’m sure it has nothing actually to do with the Treaty.
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June 15, 2015 11:29am
Colville

ciaron
what is a cleat?
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June 15, 2015 11:29am
AgentBallSack

Is pole dancing a sport or is it only watching it intently that makes it one?
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June 15, 2015 11:33am
ciaron

This is a cleat, but there are other types.
I suppose ratchet blocks are out too.
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June 15, 2015 11:33am
starboard

Watch out Manolo..PG’s on ya. The man has 1) no sense of humour and 2) far too much time on his hands..
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June 15, 2015 11:46am
Fletch

Seinfeld on some sports not having any real connection to reality, like ski-ing and shooting a gun (starts at 6:18).

https://youtu.be/3julpmD8DII?t=6m18s
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June 15, 2015 11:50am
Manolo

@starboard: I’m shaking, trembling, wetting my pants, and the rest. Mother Teresa of the Deep South is to be feared.
Grey and beige all over.
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June 15, 2015 11:53am
Jack5

The idiot loser who leads Labour was on Radio NZ’s Labour Programme news at 12.00 demanding John Key tackle Australia about it paying off people smugglers. The idiot even used the word “demand”.

Vote Labour, and you will get boat people flooding into NZ.

Meanwhile, the Australian policy is working. Way to go!
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June 15, 2015 12:04pm
cricko

dime @10.32

You can be forgiven for failing to see where the Treaty gives iwi first refusal to any Crown land being sold because it does not.

Thing is we have moved on, way, way past the actual wording of the Contract.

“Progressive” academics and craven politicians have given away all the “Rights” you may have thought that
you once had under the Treaty.

Jeez mate, don’t you remember Margaret Wilson telling you that the Treaty of Waitangi is a “living” document.
All your rights evaporated right then and there.

These days it has become the norm for politicians to include clauses in laws and regulations
that the “principles” of the Treaty must be observed. (I think it was Geoffrey Palmer who started that trend. Palmer
the Labour politician and PM who did almost as much for New Zealand as Jonathan Hunt did.)

As the “principles” are now anything a well paid Q.C. can convince a Court of you will be disabused of your quaint view that the terms of a contract are contained in the contract.

The likes of Wilson, Palmer and Clark and others have snookered you and the whole country for that matter in their quest for PC and Maori votes.
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June 15, 2015 12:05pm
Manolo

Advising the seller of smoke, the pope, to say out: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/12/james-inhofe-pope-francis-stay-out-climate-change-/

The chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee is telling Pope Francis to stay out of the ongoing debate over global warming.

“Everyone is going to ride the pope now. Isn’t that wonderful,” Sen. James Inhofe, Oklahoma Republican, said Thursday, according to the Guardian. “The pope ought to stay with his job, and we’ll stay with ours.”
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June 15, 2015 12:08pm
mikenmild

Would that be the same Senator Inhofe who claimed to disprove global warming by bringing a snowball and tossing it on the Senate floor?
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June 15, 2015 12:15pm
kowtow

When all else fails i go to the oxford

Sport ‘an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.’

That’s very wide then and would include motor sports.
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June 15, 2015 12:16pm
James Stephenson

You can be forgiven for failing to see where the Treaty gives iwi first refusal to any Crown land being sold because it does not.

The Treaty’s not particularly relevant, if the settlement that (whichever) government signed up to guarantees something.
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June 15, 2015 12:17pm
stephieboy

Manolo,

“The chairman of the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee is telling Pope Francis to stay out of the ongoing debate over global warming.

“Everyone is going to ride the pope now. Isn’t that wonderful,” Sen. James Inhofe, Oklahoma Republican, said Thursday, according to the Guardian. “The pope ought to stay with his job, and we’ll stay with ours.”

And what job of his is the said Senator is referring I wonder ???

Hitler made the exact same point in respect of the clergy saying out of ” politics ” !
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June 15, 2015 12:20pm
Akaroa

cricko at 1205 posted, inter alia, : “……Palmer the Labour politician and PM who did almost as much for New Zealand as Jonathan Hunt did….”

Right on the button Cricko!!

I remember Geoffrey Palmer when he was trying his best to be the leader of the Labour Party and – if memory serves – Prime Minister?

(I could be wrong about the PM bit) And let me make clear here i have every respect for Geoffrey Palmer as a person and as an academic. Sadly, I have rather lessrespect for him as a politician.

I remember at first being scornful and dismissive of his obvious unsuitability to lead the Labour Party – an unsuitability that David Lange clearly recognised and laughed about when he told G Palmer that it was his show now – Lange having opted out after an amusing, for him, period of being Prime Minister himself.

My attitude to ol’ Geoffrey passed through being naturally against a LABOUR (!!) PM, to actually feeling sorry for the poor guy – who had clearly been landed by Lange with a very, very poisoned chalice indeed.

Then Lange disappeared into the background with his PM’s pension, etc, and the Country was left with the embarrassment of fish-out-of-water, academic-not-politician, Palmer leading the Labour Party into oblivion.

Great days! Will we ever see their like again?
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June 15, 2015 12:24pm
Pete George

Talking of motorsport and Hayden Paddon’s great rally result (best overseas finish by a New Zealander) – he caused a bit of a problem because the organisers didn’t have a New Zealand flag for the podium presentations.

But they were saved because a spectator had a flag that they provided – a silver fern flag.
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June 15, 2015 12:25pm
Pete George

@starboard: ” The man has 1) no sense of humour”

Very funny. From starboard. Not exactly the funniest person around, are you.

Here’s a good joke – lprent has especially set up The Standard so that whenever I try to access a post it diverts to his self portrait.

http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/macaque-grin.jpg

That gets a laugh every time I forget which way I need to access The Standard.
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June 15, 2015 12:30pm
Fletch

People are judging the Pope on this climate change thing (for and against) and it hasn’t even come out yet. Isn’t it better to reserve judgement until we actually see and read it?

Brendan Malone is saying on Facebook –

Yep, the hype around the Pope’s upcoming encyclical on the environment has now officially become absurd. On the one side we have people foolishly attacking Francis and critiquing an encyclical that hasn’t even been released yet, and on the other side we have this ridiculous and shallow hi-jacking of Catholic theology for political ends.

I just wish that everyone would take a deep breath, stop preempting this encyclical, and then spend time CAREFULLY considering the Pope’s actual words when the encyclical is finally released (before passing any further comment.)
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June 15, 2015 12:33pm
Inandout

Akaroa: Palmer followed Moore during the time when Labour changed PMs as they frequently do now with Party leaders. I don’t believe Palmer is a ‘decent chap’ at all, because his law firm wallowed in Treaty money, and it was in his interests to invent ‘principles’ so as to muddy the waters, and then spend many legal hours looking for ways to apply these principles. Decent people don’t deliberately set their country up for chaos.
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June 15, 2015 12:33pm
kowtow

The previous Pope ,in his biography ,commented that upon taking up a teaching position at a religious university in Germany in the ’60s, he was shocked to discover the extent of how Marxist thought had taken hold……we are witnessing the results in the current Pope ,who coming from a South American context will be very much in that school.

We can see it with this climate shite and his calls for Europe to take in hordes of muslim illegal immigrants.
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June 15, 2015 12:36pm
cha

What is ‘Sport”

Take it away Ernie –

“There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games.”
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June 15, 2015 12:36pm
Keeping Stock

@ Kowtow – that’s the very definition of “sport” which I quoted at 8.30am! I have no doubt whatsoever that motor racing is a sport; the car or motor cycle cannot run by itself, and it needs a skilled rider or driver in order to achieve its full potential.

A golf, cricket or tennis ball does not get sent on its way without the intervention of a player and a club, bat or racquet respectively. A rugby ball does not go between the uprights on its own, and a lawn bowl does not mysteriously roll down the rink by itself to nestle close to the kitty. Sport is a combination of person and equipment, and in the case of motorsports, the fastest and flashest car or bike is useless without a driver who can get the best out of it, and hangs on just that fraction of a second longer before braking.
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June 15, 2015 12:40pm
publicwatchdog

Fran Wilde rolled as Wellington’s regional council deals with supercity fallout

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/69376888/fran-wilde-rolled-as-wellingtons-regional-council-deals-with-supercity-fallout

The fallout from Wellington’s super-city rejection is rocking the regional council, with chairwoman Fran Wilde resigning amid accusations of bullying

Wilde quit as chairwoman on Saturday after being presented with a letter of no confidence signed by nine of her councillors. Only Paul Swain, Chris Laidlaw and Judith Aitken did not sign.

The group that rolled Wilde, led by councillor Prue Lamason, told Wilde her advocacy for amalgamation had led to a “climate of tension and mistrust” between Greater Wellington and the region’s local councils.

Prue Lamason.
Prue Lamason.

The coup was sparked by a new regional reorganisation plan drafted without regional councillors’ knowledge, and revealed by Wilde to a select few last week, Lamason said. Wilde was a major supporter of a region-wide amalgamation proposal scrapped by the Local Government Commission on Tuesday.

In “Plan B” Wilde recommended the transfer of major functions from local councils to the regional body, including roading, water, and economic development.

“That was the straw that broke the camel’s back. I am gobsmacked, boggled,” Lamason said.

“Our first submission made it look like we had boxing gloves on. Plan B makes us look like we’ve still got boxing gloves on, and now we’re kickboxing as well.”

The regional council’s very existence was threatened by alternative models, including a Wellington City Council proposal to create three smaller unitary bodies without a regional council, Lamason said.

“It could end up in the demise of the regional council … We need to make an attempt to mend the fences and mend the relationships.”

Wilde had verbally steamrolled anybody who opposed her on amalgamation, which amounted to a culture of bullying, Lamason said.
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Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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June 15, 2015 12:40pm
Keeping Stock

@ InandOut – I hate to be a pedant, but actually Mike Moore followed Geoffrey Palmer, who had succeeded David Lange. Labour dumped Palmer weeks before the 1990 General Election in favour of Moore, who was tasked with trying to salvage something out of what was looking like an unprecedented defeat for Labour.
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June 15, 2015 12:42pm
Akaroa

Re: Inandout at 1233.

Point noted – and disagreed with I fear!

I believe a person can be a decent alright individual in him/herself whilst at the same time behaving professionally – (as opposed to personally) – in a manner that could be seen by some as unprofessional or downright nasty. Think Traffic Officers as one example.

I’ve met numerous people who have been living lives of affectionate concern towards their nearest and dearest or their neighbours, but who have held a position or occupation that requires them to be officious, demanding, or unsympathetic. Think Customs Officers or even some Driving Examiners, minor civil servants etc.,.

Yes?
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June 15, 2015 12:46pm
mikenmild

I’m sure you didn’t mean to knock those hard working civil servants, Akaroa…
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June 15, 2015 12:52pm
RRM

LOL – today Kiwiblog is covered in advertisements for the very same Sony smartphones I google searched reviews of half an hour ago.

Obvious targetted marketing is obvious…
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June 15, 2015 1:13pm
Harriet

Francis is not the Left’s Pope.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/06/francis_is_not_the_lefts_pope.html
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June 15, 2015 1:27pm
stephieboy

Harriet, nor is he the property of the Republicans and Tea Party !
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June 15, 2015 2:06pm
wiseowl

That is very good news Penny.
As I have said before Wilde even as Chair of Regional Council didn’t the role of the council and now it can be seen she had other motives.
What about the farce with the petition for a poll on the Hawkes Bay situation only needing 3 names. 10% of an affected area.

Now it is Hastings able to beat Wairoa in a poll skewed in legislation against small TLA’s.
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June 15, 2015 2:13pm
Ed Snack

I see that the Philae lander has “woken up” as the the rotation of the comet has brought it back into sunlight.

Now the important question can be answered: what sort of shirts were the controllers wearing at the time ?
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June 15, 2015 2:20pm
Ed Snack

Wiseowl, I’m not certain that there is a majority in Hastings who care enough to outvote the huge majority the anti amalgamation campaign have in Napier. I’d say it is a dead duck myself, but I may be surprised.
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June 15, 2015 2:22pm
wiseowl

Hope your right Ed.
Maybe a combined effort on behalf of Wairoa, CHB and Napier can overcome the biased legislative requirements.
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June 15, 2015 2:39pm
Inandout

Keeping Stock: Of course you are correct, because Lange joked ‘Geoffrey, I’ve changed my mind’.
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June 15, 2015 3:01pm
Inandout

Akaroa: I have met and known some people who have a veneer of ‘being a good chap’, are genial and easy to get on with, but have a concealed agenda that is quite ruthless. In Palmer’s case it may be just white man’s guilt, but I suspect he may harbour more devious drivers.
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June 15, 2015 3:08pm
Nostradamus

Pete George:

I have one question about your blog post regarding Manolo.

There are established internet conventions regarding “outing” people. One such convention is where a person has “self-outed” himself or herself.

Now, in terms of that convention, you say (over at your blog):

[Manolo] has used his full name in Kiwiblog.

This was apparently your justification for using his full name in the title of a blog post. I note that another Kiwiblog commentator, eszett, has taken this issue up with you on your blog.

I’ve searched Kiwiblog and can’t find any comment in which Manolo used his full name.

Can you point to the comment please?

[Oh, and Pete, I’m not taking sides – this is simply a fact-check question. I was unaware of his full name, and I doubt many other people knew it either]
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June 15, 2015 4:03pm
Manolo

@Nostradamus: You are correct. My lawyers are on to it. 😀 😀
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June 15, 2015 4:09pm
Akaroa

Inandout at 3.08 pm, posted that:. ….” I have met and known some people who have a veneer of ‘being a good chap’, are genial and easy to get on with, but have a concealed agenda that is quite ruthless.”

Noted inandout!!

Are you sure you and I don’t move in the same circles?
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June 15, 2015 4:39pm
Fletch

I see that the Philae lander has “woken up” as the the rotation of the comet has brought it back into sunlight.

You mean Bill Clinton?

Oh, for a second there, I thought you said philanderer.
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June 15, 2015 4:56pm
Reid

Pete George:

I have one question about your blog post regarding Manolo.

So do I.

How often do you get more downticks than upticks when you make comments on your own posts on your own blog Pete?

It’s just I noted the ratio for your own comments on your Manolo’s post was 100% and I thought that was quite amusing, given it’s your own blog and all.

Also, thanks for giving me a great idea, based on your “Good commenting” link in the menu bar.

And finally, if you announce you’re leaving a comment thread, leave and don’t come back. No one likes a bad faith flouncing.

Excellent. So look forward people on future threads and maybe even tonight, to my announcing my flouncing, then renouncing my flouncing, again and again and again, just cos I can.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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June 15, 2015 6:09pm
nasska

….”my announcing my flouncing, then renouncing my flouncing, again and again and again, just cos I can.”….

You’ll have your work cut out to beat Baity’s record. 🙂
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June 15, 2015 6:37pm
wreck1080

“http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11465602”

CEO Pay Survey: ‘Heartbreaking’ lack of female executives

Women do this to themselves too though. My partner is a very experienced and excellent nurse who took time off to raise our children to school age.

Now, trying to get back into hospital nursing is almost impossible because the all female managers say the lack of recent experience goes against her.

So, if women are discriminating against women on the basis of having children in a female dominated occupation, then why should men behave any differently?

Not much sympathy from me given our recent experiences.
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June 15, 2015 6:56pm
Nookin

FWIW
It is disappointing that Pete has chosen to out Manolo — especially by doing so on another blog where he expects to be beyond the jurisdiction of DPF. Manolo’s comments are usually calculated to be provocative and create outrage. You take most of them with a grain of salt. If he goes overboard then DPF has provided the remedies. If a comment is defamatory then DPF can be forced to react.
The ultimate sanction for abuse of the privilege of anonymity would be for DPF to out a commenter. As far as I know, he has not done so but there were times when he came close. Maybe DPF needs to revise his rules. A commenter risks exposure after a specified number of defamatory or abusive posts. Whatever DPF does or does not do, I am decidedly uncomfortable about the prospects of disgruntled posters outing those who have pissed them off by resorting to other blogs. I feel that by doing so, they have outlived their welcome.
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June 15, 2015 6:56pm
Awww C-mon

Great to have a break from dealing with kids who act like toddlers to see adults doing the same!

Maybe the old adage of “If you wouldn’t say it to their face, don’t post it online” could be of use, that being said I would happily repeat this in person if needed, Pete and Manolo, how about both of you grow up or fuck off!
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June 15, 2015 7:02pm
SPC

My illusion has been shattered, so manolo is not Manolito (character on a TV western) as an aged curmudgeon …
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