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Griff

Jenner ?
99% think who gives a fuck.
1% get all hot and bothered.
Because he/ she/ it has done what they secretly would like to.
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June 10, 2015 6:15pm
Viking2

Interesting photo of early Wellington.

http://tinyurl.com/qxoba7g
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June 10, 2015 6:19pm
Griff

link dead v2
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June 10, 2015 6:21pm
Reid

Excellent.

Key’s caught in a significant pincer movement. He deserves it.

On the one hand the left are squeezing squeezing squeezing on McCully’s bribe, and it was a bribe, by wheeling out everyone who was there at the time to evaporate the smoke Key’s thrown out to explain how it wasn’t a bribe, after all. McCully’s the biggest prick in Parliament, just like George Hawkins was the biggest prick in Parliament at one point and Cullen was at another. The biggest prick needs to get treated just like the bully in the Western, where the hero punches em in the mouth and kicks em in the arse and throws em in the trough and holds em under till they wimper away like the little pricks they are. That’s what needs to happen here so hooray to this pincer.

http://politik.co.nz/en/content/politics/273/JIM-ANDERTON-DENIES-KEY'S-CLAIMS.htm

Second pincer is this which is bubbling away in the background of the idiot media who even though they hate Keys guts and can’t wait to shaft him, are once again demonstrating they’re too fucking stupid to pick up on this massive massive issue which has the potential to rip across National’s heartland and tear not only Key but half the caucus a new one, since it affects literally every single National Party constituency in the entire country right down to the engine room of the party itself, if this gets through. And Judith is working it like a trojan, not that it needs any working, since it’s an idiot fool thing made up by morons sitting in an office dreaming about how wonderful it would be if nothing ever happened and hallucinating that even more orange cones might just bring that about. And then those childish meanderings not being stopped in their tracks because Joyce, the fool, created this idiot health and safety stand-alone fiefdom with all the power and all the fury and who’ve launched their baby on the unsuspecting employers, who’ll fucking explode if this thing ever hits the lawbooks in its present or even heavily amended form.

http://politik.co.nz/en/content/politics/275/GOVERNMENT-TRYING-TO-DEFUSE-WIDESPREAD-CONCERN-OVER-BILL-John-Key.htm

Sidebar on this Judith thing. What she’s doing is notifying Paula the succession is still up for grabs. That’s what it is. Paula is Key’s annointed, his spurning of Judith over Oriveda was simply the public announcement. But it’s those two you want to watch. Joyce doesn’t have it as a Number 1. He’s got a lot of qualities, but not the X you need if you want to be in politics as the No. 1. And everyone knows it. It has nothing to do with ability. He’s got more ability than either Judith or Paula. That is always secondary to the X.
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June 10, 2015 6:21pm
EAD

Get a grip of yourself Gripp,

99% of people might think that but I was highlighting the cultural propaganda that is trying to “normalise” the freakshow. Rather than showing pity on him, they “celebrate” his “brave”™ decision.
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June 10, 2015 6:24pm
Reid

A British high court judge says immigrants to Britain should be allowed to smack and hit their children when they are new arrivals in Britain.

The female judge said:

Proper allowance must be made for what is, almost certainly, a different cultural context.

Yes Jack.

There’s a ranking around PC psychobabble bullshit, you see.

Seriously.

You see it in Sweden where the media are conflicted over their “feminist duty” to report on and actively condemn the prolific and vicious gang rapes on white Swedish girls committed by Muslim gangs, vs their “multi-cultural promotion duty” as they see it, not to.

Appalling isn’t it.

But it happens all over, and it’s the fault of the vicious political correctness that our societies foster and encourage, in the name of human wights, and for which, if you don’t comply, you’re excoriated, persecuted, imprisoned for certain offences in certain countries, and generally treated like a slave.

So why the fuck do we tolerate this evil we call political correctness, feminism, wacism, sexism and all the other ‘ism’s?’

You tell me.

Edit: EAD wat’s the tag for the superscript?
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June 10, 2015 6:28pm
stigie

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-640a_hX9HMA/Te3YiCx8n-I/AAAAAAAAAnQ/gNiq60mLh1A/s1600/helensheep.jpg

Found that link Griff !!
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June 10, 2015 6:29pm
Griff

Why pity her ?
she is happy .
that’s the best we get in this world
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June 10, 2015 6:29pm
Griff

The following may be disturbing for sensitive viewers discretion is advised.
http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://www.gpforums.co.nz/attachment.php%253Fattachmentid%253D147626%2526stc%253D1%2526d%253D1221200864&imgrefurl=http://www.gpforums.co.nz/threads/327029-Election-Election-Danger-Cake-Hammer&h=360&w=300&tbnid=UoIqsV5SgDqnWM:&zoom=1&docid=CqP_6TzWMjX6qM&ei=ztl3VZWZEuHEmQWp0YLwDg&tbm=isch&ved=0CEQQMyhAMEA4ZGoVChMIlbjQucCExgIVYWKmCh2pqADu
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June 10, 2015 6:33pm
Johnboy

“Will Dame Devoid soon dismantle New Zealand’s anti-smacking legislation, too? A British high court judge says immigrants to Britain should be allowed to smack and hit their children when they are new arrivals in Britain.

The female judge said:”

Many years ago I popped round to Arakura school after my daughter (7) told me she had been kicked in the back by her teacher. After speaking to the headmaster (Mr. Howie) I got to speak to her teacher (Mr. Tua). He told me that he never kicked her, he just nudged her with his foot and it was common in the Islands to do that.

I told him that next time he nudged her with his foot I would pop round and give him a good kicking.

Island practice stopped straight away at that school! 🙂
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June 10, 2015 6:36pm
nasska

Reid

I agree that it will come down to either Paula or Judith….charisma is an essential quality if someone is going to front up to the media several times a day & for all of Joyce’s good qualities he ain’t got it. neither has English.

But a question…..who do you think National will run with when JK calls it a day?
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June 10, 2015 6:38pm
nasska

A good ‘cultural’ kicking I hope JB.
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June 10, 2015 6:40pm
Reid

who do you think National will run with when JK calls it a day?

Paula, because Key will endorse her and the National Party membership will hallucinate said endorsement therefore makes her the best candidate.

And she’ll proceed to crash and burn because she simply doesn’t have what it takes, not that Key would know that, because Key doesn’t understand politics.
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June 10, 2015 6:42pm
nasska

So who would be your pick Reid?
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June 10, 2015 6:44pm
Johnboy

Of course nasska.

As a mad Scotsman I always go…”One wie the heid and twa wi the bonnet ….and then I kick the fuckers in the nuts for good measure” 🙂
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June 10, 2015 6:45pm
Griff

Judith
She could be the next Maggie T.
Paula come across a little motherly to my liking.

I would be surprised if key goes another full round.
He may stay for the election than abdicate for one of the lady’s to get a free first term rather than risking a battle dividing the party before the election.
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June 10, 2015 6:47pm
Dave_1924

There was your first mistake Johnboy sending your poor child to Arakura primary…… should have bused her to a proper primary like the Wainuiomata primary…..
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June 10, 2015 6:48pm
freemark

Nice fantasy Reid, hope you are enjoying it.
Like most of yours I suspect it will (rightly) fade into insignificance.
But what would I know..like most who don’t buy into it I’m sure I’m just a sheepie….
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June 10, 2015 6:49pm
Johnboy

Bill wouldn’t mind another shot at it methinks.

Shattered ego and all……make a good opposition leader? 🙂
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June 10, 2015 6:49pm
Johnboy

She owns a company now dave so her edumication in the Nui did her no harm old chap! 🙂

ps: She’s learned to kick nut’s for herself! 🙂

I like to think I’m her mentor!
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June 10, 2015 6:52pm
Reid

So who would be your pick Reid?

Well Judith ahead of Paula, but IMO she is too rigid in her views and she doesn’t have the other skills that made that attribute acceptable in the Iron Lady.

So I think she’ll crash and burn too.

I’m sure there is someone in there who’ll emerge: David Bennet looks pretty good to me but you might think I’m biased since he’s my MP.

https://www.national.org.nz/team/mps

But no, sadly, NZ will have yet again to endure the sheer tragedy nay hell of a Liarbore Administration before it yet again learns the folly of that route and expells them with hatred and fury by which time someone we’ve never heard of before will no doubt have surfaced to lead the heroic conservatives once again to magnificent victory forever and ever, let it be.
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June 10, 2015 7:00pm
freemark

Hey Griff
I spent a lot of happy times over 10 years around the Gulf & Coro on Ulysses – a 12M Ferro Ketch (I think it’s a Hartley as well).
Fairly primitive appointments & underpowered by a little Ducati diesel (starter/generator so not much in the way of electrics) but many awesome memories. I remember 6 minutes from sea-bed to plate for juicy scallops at Te Kouma.
Plus lots of trips with happy substances & happy girls – and a car ride on Barrier with a blind drunk German local reciting Homer in Latin.
Plus running aground on the Whangapoua Bar 🙁
Good days & nights….
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June 10, 2015 7:03pm
Steve (North Shore)

Concrete boats, Heroshoffs or some name like that. Used to transport the bastards, hard work back in those days (70s)
Hope most of the fuckers sunk, I mean concrete boats – get real
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June 10, 2015 7:18pm
Johnboy

Buggers with no money built ferro-cement boats. The poor mans floating gin palace/chick magnet.

Huge problems with rust in the reinforcing rods if I remember rightly.

Nothing a good dose of Viagra can’t cure of course! 🙂
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June 10, 2015 7:26pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ix5nae4gukqw645/Mad%20woman%20with%20cats%203.jpg?dl=0
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June 10, 2015 7:33pm
Johnboy

Not as mad as the stupid tarts with 5 children nasska! 🙂
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June 10, 2015 7:36pm
Johnboy

And the silly bitches advertise it???? 🙂
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June 10, 2015 7:36pm
Reid

Concrete boats, Heroshoffs or some name like that.

You don’t know much about boats do you mate.

Herreshoff was a classic and brilliant WOOD designer and his work is highly revered for a very good reason.

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=herreshoff+boats+for+sale&num=100&espv=2&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CD4QsARqFQoTCOj00NzPhMYCFUXGpgodcRoAdg&biw=1366&bih=705
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June 10, 2015 7:41pm
nasska

I’ve never been able to understand it JB…..women bitch about the pain of childbirth but before long after they’re getting googoo eyed at babies & here we go again.

I mean….how many men get a boot in the cods & ask for another kicking a few months later? 🙂
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June 10, 2015 7:42pm
Reid

Men hunt, women nest nasska.

And all that entails.

That’s why.

And just as a side issue, feminism has turned that upside down, and in the process, emasculated a man’s ability to provide for his family by making his wife the hunter because she earns more than he does so now he stays at home; and destroying a woman’s ability to provide for her family, by pretending that sacrifice is slavery, sacrifice which is the whole essence of motherhood.

All wrapped up in the guise of human wights.

Diabolical?

Of course. Where do you think it came from?

They don’t call him the slanderer and deceiver for nothing.

And that’s only two of his many names.
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June 10, 2015 7:49pm
stigie

I can never understand these yellow or pink stickers on the back of vehicles windows that says….

“Baby on board”, what the fuck are they trying to tell us ? Is it the same if i had one of those on the

back window of my vehicle which said “Crate of piss on board”. Can someone straighten my arm ?
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June 10, 2015 7:51pm
Johnboy

Sticking the evidence of your rooting on the back window of your shitmobile seems really stupid though chaps.

It just makes us proper (male) drivers realise we have a dimwit in front! 🙂
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June 10, 2015 7:52pm
nasska

Some behaviour is hard wired in us Reid. We’re not so far removed from animals as many would like us to believe.
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June 10, 2015 7:55pm
Johnboy

“And that’s only two of his many names.”

“nasska” is an ancient script that stands for “666”….. the mark of the beast? 🙂
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June 10, 2015 7:57pm
nasska

Damn! I thought it was a secret. 🙂
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June 10, 2015 7:59pm
Johnboy

I’ve heard of the strange goings on in Eketahuna nasska….a sheep with the body of a woman, a cat that gives good head, a dog that licks it’s own arse!!!!

Time for the Witchsmeller purseivant!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYJZqJezjz4
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June 10, 2015 8:07pm
Jack5

The Chinese share bubble still hasn’t popped.

Last night we brought news of an imminent critical point in the Chinese share bubble. This was a decision on whether Chinese shares would be admitted to the huge MSCI Emerging Markets index. That would open investment in them to international funds handling trillions of dollars of investor assets.

MSCI has denied China A shares entry to the index for a second time, citing investment quotas, capital lockups, and ownership rights as barriers for foreign funds.

However, the index compiler said it expects to include China A shares after “a few important remaining issues related to market accessibility have been resolved. It added that MSCI and the China Securities Regulatory Commission will form a working group “to contribute to the successful resolution of these issues.”

Some commentators think this could keep China’s top shares away from international investment by the big funds for another year.

Shanghai time is four hours behind NZ at present, and the Shanghai sharemarket closed mixed today, with with the Shanghai Composite Index down 0.15 per cent at 5,106.04 points while in Shenzhen, the Component Index gained 1.60 per cent to 17,677.57 points.
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June 10, 2015 8:08pm
nasska

The place is pretty much on its last legs JB…..last week the publicans of the town’s only boozer decided that they were giving up trying to get a license because of police opposition & the doors would be shutting for good.

Perhaps the black arts & a bit of sheep sacrifice at Satan’s altar down by the river could put us back on the map. 🙂
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June 10, 2015 8:18pm
Reid

because of police opposition & the doors would be shutting for good.

Because of the massive slaughter we read of week after week nasska as Eketahunians get cut down night after night after night due to their inability not to get totally and utterly smashed at the local then turn the ignition key leading inexorably to their inevitable death?

Seriously, shame isn’t it the Police’ perspective is the only one that counts with officialdom these days, in many many cases.

Twas a time, long ago, when pubs were pubs and men were men and beer was beer and we weren’t children in the eyes of the authorities… especially in the rural centres where there was nothing else to centre the town around…
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June 10, 2015 8:34pm
EAD

@Jack 5

The same fiat money disease is corrupting China as it corrupted the West:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-09/meet-chinas-new-investor-class-its-lot-easier-make-money-stocks-farmwork

Over there, farmers are giving up their day jobs to trade stocks – giving up real work for “get rich quick” schemes that are dependent on the constant inflation of the 44 y.o. exponential debt bubble.

I remember what one of my Finance professors said to me – “It’s time to sell when your shoeshine boy is giving you stock tips”. My guess is that most of the smart money is now out of China and it is the little guys over there who are going to be wiped out when it crashes later this year.
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June 10, 2015 8:35pm
nasska

I’ve been off the turps for about fifteen years Reid but you’re not that far off the mark. A lot of social contact & a loose support network revolved around the local watering hole.

The drink driving laws have torn the guts out of rural NZ.
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June 10, 2015 8:41pm
Reid

it is the little guys over there who are going to be wiped out when it crashes later this year.

That’s the interesting thing EAD. China isn’t like the West.

The Chinese Communist Party relies on economic growth to suppress support for a multi-party system, and it’s not, under any circumstances, going to give that up.

OTOH China’s economy is definitely on the screaming redline by all measures.

OTOH China is the lead player in the global reset and she’s not much use if she’s undergoing internal ructions no matter how much external players encourage and precipitate those.

We’re living in interesting times, aren’t we.

The drink driving laws have torn the guts out of rural NZ.

I’d say more the enforcement regime the police have CHOSEN to apply nasska.

There was no rural carnage before they decided to do this and there still isn’t.

Farmers know how to drive even when everything’s blurry and why we couldn’t just leave them alone I don’t know but I’m not wearing one of those uniforms.

Ask them why they’ve done this and demand your politicians explain it too esp Nathan Guy, because people like him have stood aside and let it happen, and why.

Because as soon as the po-lice started doing this in the early 1990’s, it was predictable this community decimation would result. Perhaps political cowwectness only applies when it’s not a Eowopean farmer at the sharp end.
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June 10, 2015 8:45pm
Viking2

A gynaecologist had become fed up with malpractice insurance and HMO paperwork so decided to give up practising medicine.

Hoping to try another career where skilful hands would be beneficial, he decided to become a mechanic.

He went to the local technical college, signed up for evening classes, attended diligently, and learned all he could.

When the time for the practical exam approached, the former gynaecologist prepared carefully for weeks and completed the exam with tremendous skill.

When the results came back, he was surprised to find that he had obtained a score of 150%. Fearing an error, he called the instructor, saying, “I don’t want to appear ungrateful for such an outstanding result, but I wonder if there is an error in the grade.”

The instructor said, “During the exam, you took the engine apart perfectly which was worth 50% of the total mark.”

“You put the engine back together again perfectly, which is also worth 50% of the mark.”

After a pause, the instructor added, “I gave you an extra 50% because you did it all through the exhaust pipe, which I’ve never seen done in my entire career”
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June 10, 2015 8:46pm
Dennis Horne

That joke’s done 500,000 km but I still gave it a tick.
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June 10, 2015 8:59pm
EAD

@ Reid

“she’s not much use if she’s undergoing internal ructions no matter how much external players encourage and precipitate those.”

That’s when we go to war. That’s what the players in the game do – just like they did to set the conditions for WW1 & WW2 – foment division, fund both sides, create and powder keg situation then BOOM – light the powder keg. They know perfectly well China’s biggest weakness in internal dissent. While the economy is booming, a restless population can be kept in line. If/when they crash China, watch the heat over a bunch of uninhabited rocks (which 98% of Chinese couldn’t even locate on a map) get turned up to boiling point.

We in the west meanwhile will have our own wars to fight at the same time, most likely civil wars vs. Islam as predicted by Albert Pike in his letter to Mazzini in August 1871.
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June 10, 2015 9:01pm
Scott Chris

A lot of social contact & a loose support network revolved around the local watering hole.

Yeah that’s right Nasska. Rural communities are exempt from the laws of statistics.
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June 10, 2015 9:06pm
Jack5

What do you guys think of the 50,000 live-sheep export from Timaru to Mexico?

Regardless of whether it’s acceptable to export live animals and whether this meets our standards on animal cruelty, I am astonished at the propaganda that these are for breeding rather than for slaughter.

Fifty thousand sheep for breeding in a country whose people are not big sheepmeat eaters?

Do the foreign business interests behind the shipment and the bureaucrats who have approved it take New Zealanders for idiots?

What the hell has got into National? Is this bullshit a symptom of third-term government sclerosis?
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June 10, 2015 9:16pm
Reid

That’s when we go to war.

This is part of our: why do they do/allow what they do discussions EAD.

To us it looks obvious: the evil ones use their influence and simply switch from UKUSA to China/Russia and keep doing what they’re doing.

Even a war isn’t a big deal.

You and I know both WWI and WWII and all of the others before and since were rigged. We both know all that.

I just don’t know. I too buy Pike because of who he was. As the overall plan. But the world is a long way from that, although it’s true after a year of worldwide nuclear fallout, complete halt of global trade and various actions like invasion craft supplied to Indonesia from the evil ones to deal to us and Australia while the US was involved full time in a losing action against Russia our security really could look exactly like that.

But what’s their end game.

I look at where they live. On the assumption they won’t destroy that.

But that’s a vain hope I fear.

They don’t care.

The destruction of what they love is their sacrifice to their cause.

Naturally they don’t care about the bodies, they grieve for the paintings, the houses, the gardens and the music they’ve lost in the conflagration they started.

They’ll take the books with them, they won’t lose those. That’s their achilles heel.
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June 10, 2015 9:17pm
EAD

@ Scott Chris

The reason governments have slowly but deliberately killed the community pub trade is because they can’t abide the concept of free people having free association, people enjoying themselves or heaven forbid, discussing how shit our politicians are. Is it any coincidence that the drinking clampdown and smoking bans came into force at the same time as PC clampdown on free speech came into being?

Because political correctness has made us check our language, the confines of pub (especially over a cigarette) and the family are one of the few places remaining we can talk freely without restraint as to what the hell is going on in this country. Sure we can do it on blogs for the moment, but it doesn’t have the same personal effect of spreading ideas contrary to the status quo.

They want you trapped in your living room watching corporate advertising and their interpretation of what “television entertainment” and what “news” is.

Or as George Carlin famously said in this epic rant:
“They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests.

That’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that!”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
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June 10, 2015 9:18pm
Scott Chris

I can never understand these yellow or pink stickers on the back of vehicles windows that says…. “Baby on board”

I had one saying, “Baby Overboard” on my Vauxhaull Chevette bumper before it got munted by some drunk rural hick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pURFU3pL93o
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June 10, 2015 9:28pm
Reid

That was simply the Karma laws of the universe in operation Scott.
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June 10, 2015 9:29pm
Scott Chris

That was simply the Karma laws of the universe in operation Scott.

Reid, the universe is way too big for that shit to ever bite me back.
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June 10, 2015 9:33pm
EAD

Link to George Carlin’s “American Dream” that works…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q
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June 10, 2015 9:35pm
Reid

Reid, the universe is way too big for that shit to ever bite me back.

It always bites you back Scott.

That’s the whole purpose of the universe.
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June 10, 2015 9:36pm
Scott Chris

It always bites you back Scott.

That’s the whole purpose of the universe.

I agree Reid. Apologies, I was being facetious.
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June 10, 2015 9:40pm
Manolo

The barbarian Islamists become even more dangerous: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isiss-dirty-bomb-jihadists-have-seized-enough-radioactive-material-to-build-their-first-wmd-10309220.html

The Isis militant group has seized enough radioactive material from government facilities to suggest it has the capacity to build a large and devastating “dirty” bomb, according to Australian intelligence reports.
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June 11, 2015 6:11am
Manolo

Everyone has a price: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bill-clinton-paid-speeches-no-more-hillary-win-118837.html

Bill Clinton will likely not continue to give paid speeches if his wife Hillary were elected president, he said Wednesday.
“No, I don’t think so,” when asked Wednesday at a Clinton Global Initiative event.
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June 11, 2015 7:59am
ciaron

stigie (1,982 comments) says:
June 10th, 2015 at 7:51 pm
I can never understand these yellow or pink stickers on the back of vehicles windows that says….

“Baby on board”, what the fuck are they trying to tell us ? Is it the same if i had one of those on the

back window of my vehicle which said “Crate of piss on board”. Can someone straighten my arm ?

Not sure about here, but apparently in the UK it is to inform rescue services that they need to find your rug rat, in the event that you’ve wrapped your car around something relatively immovable…
(which entails, in theory, that the sign should be removed if the child is elsewhere)
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"The paradox of 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' is that the phrase is used only by the very people who are suffering from it."
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Point of Order
The High Court says "Land Back"
No Right Turn
Why you should reject the term “Christian nationalism”
Bob McCoskrie's McBlog
US military-industrial-sports complex.
Kiwipolitico
MILLION DOLLAR REWARD
No Punches Pulled (Bob Jones)
United Rugby Championship Predictions for Week 7
Stats Chat
The Battle for Democracy
NZCPR
Pretty (il)legal
Croaking Cassandra
Where are the food carts?
Offsetting Behaviour
Tory Whanau may have to sell Wellington mayoralty to make ends meet
The Civilian
The Accidental Engagement
Imperator Fish
Legal Beagle: Election '23: The Special Votes
Public Address
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker
Angie Warren-Clark: Meet the Newbies
Dan Moskovitz

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