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Sir Leslie Bottocks

NZ Music Month.
(often misheard as “Share your marijuana with me”)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCxWdVJTlpY
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May 6, 2015 8:11pm
SPC

nasska, Goldfinger would have been EAD’s favourite.
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May 6, 2015 8:13pm
stigie

No,i didnt know Reddy had been put away for a while Nasska, but then i haven’t visited the comments policy section now for some time. Well, blow me away with a feather duster !~
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May 6, 2015 8:18pm
SPC

Feeling fully informed now that the site ads reveal that adult shops are now selling toy cleaner.
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May 6, 2015 8:19pm
Sponge

4. Unidentified Fathers Organisation recruitment drive (as in Close Encounters of a Third Kind).

Do you mean “Close Encounters of the Turd Kind” SPC?
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May 6, 2015 8:22pm
RF

Dear god. Drunken rugby thugs get a get out of jail pass. Our legal system is gutless and I no longer have any respect for it..

If drunken thugs can assault people out on the street without the fear of penalty because you play sport we are royaly fucked.

Hell will freeze over before I ever watch a game of hoof heads chasing a mis shaped ball. Gutless bastards.
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May 6, 2015 8:22pm
SPC

Sponge, you may been over soaking up meaning, I thought that the aliens were collecting those of their third kind to fly away with them.
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May 6, 2015 8:25pm
Griff

spc
Thanks for revealing to us all what adds are suggested for your browser history.
I just gets new cars and tractor bits…
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May 6, 2015 8:26pm
SPC

Griff, maybe, or it could be a confusion between SPC canned peaches and Peaches and Cream?
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May 6, 2015 8:33pm
SPC

RF, the rugby player got a discharge (because of the impact could have been loss of a million dollar earnings career offshore), the sheep farmer who assaulted the cricket player got a fine. Neither went to jail.

Has anyone gone to jail for a first time assault? Is it the third one that involves jail time?
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May 6, 2015 8:37pm
UglyTruth

Another reason is that Kodachrome would not be the best film medium to record the alledged Roswell alien back in. 1947. At that time the emulsion had a low light sensitivity of 8 and no more than 12 ASA making unsuitable for interior shooting unless one had access to good professional studio lighting or familiar with flash light use.

What other reason? If it was “safe” for you to lie about it then why didn’t you just go and do it rather than talking around the point?

Your argument that the use of a non-ideal camera implies that it’s inauthentic is unconvincing.
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May 6, 2015 8:37pm
Ryan Sproull

Are you guys actually having an argument about Roswell aliens?
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May 6, 2015 8:47pm
Sponge

Your argument that the use of a non-ideal camera implies that it’s inauthentic is unconvincing.

And your argument that the use of a non-ideal camera negates suspicions about it’s authenticity are just as unconvincing.
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May 6, 2015 8:48pm
Reid

Ryan as a buddhist what’s your position on people who lie and libel others by pretending they’ve said things they haven’t and putting words into their mouths?
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May 6, 2015 8:51pm
Ryan Sproull

Ryan as a buddhist what’s your position on people who lie and libel others by pretending they’ve said things they haven’t and putting words into their mouths?

Well, they’d be breaking one of the Five Precepts and fostering a mindset which builds rather than breaks down ego barriers, hindering compassion and inevitably resulting in later suffering.

Your…

Your question was serious, right?
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May 6, 2015 8:54pm
UglyTruth

Are you guys actually having an argument about Roswell aliens?

I hope so. There’s huge comedy potential in exploring the absurdities of the apologists’ account of the origin of the reports of dead aliens.

So tell me, stephieboy, how long has the USAF been using 3 foot crash test dummies with big heads for?
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May 6, 2015 8:56pm
Reid

Your question was serious, right?

Of course.

Thanks.

Let’s hope the relevant people hear it.
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May 6, 2015 8:59pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth at 8.37pm , the following from my link above.

The “Roswell Slides” depict Alien MATILDA

by George Wingfield

Most people will have probably have lost interest in the highly dubious “Roswell Slides” story by now so I hesitate to trouble any of you with it further. However, since Jaime Maussan’s “UFO Special Event” is still a week away, it’s worth looking at what it has been possible to establish during the past month:
(1) The so-called “Roswell Slides” discovery is a carefully prepared scam.

(2) They have nothing to do with Roswell or any supposed flying saucer crash there in 1947. The alleged Roswell connection has been deliberately devised to attract and deceive UFO/alien believers who would probably not have bothered with yet another of Maussan’s fake aliens from Mexico.

(3) Veteran UFO/Alien fraudster Jaime Maussan and the man who first revealed the existence of the Roswell Slides, Adam Dew, are quite aware of the slides’ real origin.

(4) The supposed story of their origin involving Hilda Ray, finding the slides in a house clearance in AZ, etc., is completely false apart from the fact that some of the slides are marked “HILDA RAY” which is a sly reference to RAY Santilli’s fake alien “HILDA”.

(5) This scam is entirely similar to Ray Santilli’s “Alien Autopsy” scam of 1995 and the fake alien and the photographic slides were produced by the same people.

(6) The special effects alien dummy was prepared and photographed by London based circlemakers.org (Rob Irving, John Lundberg and Rod Dickinson) that made alien dummy HILDA for Santilli’s Alien Autopsy film in the UK twenty years ago.

(7) The slides have been specially prepared using old 1940s-style cardboard sleeves to hold the transparency film so as to deceive UFO researchers that they originate from 1947. It is unlikely they will ever be released now as one could soon see they are fakes.

(8) The “UFO Special Event” in Mexico City to be hosted by Jaime Maussan on May 5, 2015, exactly twenty years to the day after Santilli unveiled his “Alien Autopsy” scam in 1995, has been planned to give maximum publicity to the fraudulent claim that this is the ultimate proof of a genuine alien. Maussan will play the same role as Santilli did.

(9) The prime creator of this new “Roswell” alien dummy, John Lundberg, was director of the 2013 documentary film Mirage Men. He sees the production of the slides and the Mexico City event as an act of “ostension”. That is, the displaying of a supposedly genuine alien body (or photos, or replicas of an alien) to UFO/alien believers whose faith will be reinforced since they are meant to be unaware it is a scam.

(10) John Lundberg has declined to answer questions about the Roswell Slides or admit that he and his friends created this new hoax. He has also declined a recent invitation to appear on The Paracast which would have allowed hosts Gene Steinberg and Christopher O’Brien to question him about his involvement.

It would be difficult to appreciate the extent and the deviousness of the Roswell Slides deception without being familiar with Ray Santilli’s Alien Autopsy hoax of 1995 and the people who were behind that. That scam is believed to have netted Santilli a million dollars or so from the sale of copies of the film footage to TV channels, program makers, film-makers and researchers worldwide such was the interest and the demand from those who believed it to be genuine. With each copy of the Alien Autopsy footage sold, Santilli provided a disclaimer saying that he could not guarantee the material was genuine and that he had to include the disclaimer for legal reasons. He did, of course, know full well the film footage was faked and he should have been charged with fraud anyway.

I researched the Alien Autopsy scam at the time and was able to reveal the names of the three chief hoaxers who had created the special effects alien dummy and taken part in filming its supposed autopsy. My report on this can still be found on the internet at:-

“Do not be so open-minded that your brains fall out.”
― G.K. Chesterton
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May 6, 2015 9:03pm
UglyTruth

cut & paste, did I hit a nerve?
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May 6, 2015 9:05pm
SPC

UT, any reason why those developing new aircraft tech would want to associate UFO’s with aliens? Given the use of term illegal alien with lefties the USA might want to deport as Un-American (join the 1947 dots to HUAC).

Why an area called Area 51 (50 states and Capitol Hill in DC that has oversight of black defence budgets – tech in development) is associated with alien visitations?

Are the men in black really remote viewing goats?
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May 6, 2015 9:06pm
stephieboy

UT, no just take the trouble and read my link before going out into the playground and trying out ypur gullibility slide ,

Your not serious about these ?,

http://www.groundzeromedia.org/roswell-slides-images-of-a-photographic-memory/
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May 6, 2015 9:11pm
SPC

The best way to discredit an unwanted CT is to build a disinformation campaign around it, and then to infest the media disseminating it with all sorts of other CT. That is establish it as just one of the many anti-establishment beliefs that poor uneducated white people might buy into.
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May 6, 2015 9:19pm
UglyTruth

UT, any reason why those developing new aircraft tech would want to associate UFO’s with aliens?

It’s logical to think that an alien race which uses physical machines for interplanetary travel would be a source of information about alternative propulsion systems, like Bob Lazar’s “sport model” at Area 51 which reportedly looks like the ones in Billy Meier’s photos.
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May 6, 2015 9:24pm
UglyTruth

The best way to discredit an unwanted CT is to build a disinformation campaign around it

… or infiltrate it …

By the same time Lazar was talking about his involvement in the secret reverse-engineering program, the once-admired UFO investigator Bill Moore was making himself a pariah among his colleagues, when in the 1989 MUFON symposium in Las Vegas he confessed to have been involved in a counter-intelligence operation aimed at both spying members of the UFO community, as well as the seeding of false documents at the request of members of the intelligence community.

http://dailygrail.com/Alien-Nation/2014/5/The-Sport-Model-is-Now-Classic-Robert-Lazar-Area-51-Insider-25-Years-Later
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May 6, 2015 9:30pm
dad4justice

UT = are you from Planet Queer?
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May 6, 2015 9:30pm
SGA

Speaking of conspiracies –
DG hits on Maggy – DG hits on Penny
Ads for dating sites reappear – coincidence? I think not….
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May 6, 2015 9:32pm
SPC

UT, pretending to have access to back engineering alien technology is a form of PW resorted to in the Cold War. A bit like the Star Wars missile shield in space nonsense in then 1980’s, that was designed to spook the Russians into thinking that their tech could not keep up.

The funniest was the last one, Americans with super human powers to remote view. This trumping Soviet PSI research with a reputed ability to spy on Russia with their minds (imagine a Soviet agent reporting to Moscow finding a CIA file explaining how the Americans found the Soviet submarine building base by remote viewing with their minds while at their desks at Langley).

The actual discovery by spy satellite and agents on the ground snooping being kept secret, lest they hide the sites better.
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May 6, 2015 9:35pm
UglyTruth

UT = are you from Planet Queer?

Griff brought up the anal, not me. Aren’t you from the planet Urananus, D4J?
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May 6, 2015 9:37pm
dad4justice

Whats happened to our dear friend Dad…………

get a life you pathetic creep
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May 6, 2015 9:38pm
SPC

UT, infiltration of the targeted group home is the tactic that the J Hoover’s prefer.
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May 6, 2015 9:39pm
Griff

Happy and well adjusted as always d4j.
Just like your buddy rowan.
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May 6, 2015 9:40pm
Reid

UT have you followed much of the underground bases? I only mention it to allow the braying fools to gallop into oblivion. Let’s hope their horse trips and their lance of self-righteousness snaps in half in their futile quest to argue against a subject they know nothing about. While the idiots are busy extricating themselves from the horse dung…

What do you think of Phil Schneider?
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May 6, 2015 9:40pm
dad4justice

Hey grip how is your dad creep? bb LTD……………………….
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May 6, 2015 9:45pm
Griff

He died a couple of months ago d4j.
bowel cancer.
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May 6, 2015 9:50pm
UglyTruth

UT, pretending to have access to back engineering alien technology is a form of PW resorted to in the Cold War

Alien tech was an issue before the Cold War.

http://antarctica.greyfalcon.us/UFO.html
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May 6, 2015 9:51pm
dad4justice

Griff ,sorry to hear that mate.
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May 6, 2015 9:51pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth. oh dearly me not only do we have holes in the poles but Nazi UFO bases in the Antartic et al Neo Nazi Enst Zundel …..

Carry on please ?

Whew… !
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May 6, 2015 9:57pm
SPC

UT, conflating an actual Antarctic scientific programme with the alien tech and Nazis reads more like Russian retaliation for having been spoofed by the Americans during the Cold War.
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May 6, 2015 9:58pm
SGA

Ok – someone has the demographics for this market way wrong – a dating service ad for muslims – on Kiwiblog?
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May 6, 2015 10:03pm
Griff

Wugly might be feeling lonely.
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May 6, 2015 10:10pm
Reid

UT thanks for that link.

It’s amazing isn’t how many are ignorant of Admiral Byrd’s mission down there back then.

What’s even more amazing is how many willfully chose to remain ignorant even after you’ve told them about it.

Talk about profound morons.

I’m not sure there’s English words that describe adequately their foolishness.

Well done mate.
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May 6, 2015 10:11pm
UglyTruth

Underground bases, Denver Airport, luggage gargoyles, lizard people, oh my….

I heard some talk that the Walmart stores were marshalling areas for underground transit lines.

http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citizen-journalism/2015/04/dahboo77-walmart-tunnels-dhs-nsa-venture-involves-hundreds-of-stores-2505868.html
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May 6, 2015 10:17pm
Reid

Don’t the very words: Homeland Security creep one out UT?

I mean everyone knows it’s the Gestapo, thinly disguised but they have all the powers and they’ve been hiring all the low IQ pervert idiots who are just the type who in wars past have taken the very first opportunity they had to rape women, children, boys and girls, you name it, torture you, cut your nuts off for fun just to see how loud you scream not because you have any info and nothing you can do or say will stop them, etc etc etc. Plus the DHS have been buying enough ammo to kill everyone in the States 100 times over and it’s not just innocent ammo it’s Raven and hollow point type ammo, hundreds of millions of rounds of it.

Not to mention all the FEMA camps they’ve got waiting, the trains, the military exercises they’re having.

And the sheeple bleated happily in their green green meadow.
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May 6, 2015 10:29pm
SPC

Reid, the paranoid home folk and related white race militia survivalists living in their Nazi occupied America, the prison of their own minds.
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May 6, 2015 10:39pm
Reid

SPC, in the 1930’s the most educated nation in Europe succumbed to precisely the same propaganda the Western world is being subjected to today.

And how many of those most educated people back then recognised what was being done to them, at the time?

I daresay if you review the letters to the editor from that place and time, you’d find mirrors of most of the strands we’re discussing today, including this one you and I are.
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May 6, 2015 10:46pm
SPC

Reid, it was the regime in Germany that propagated CT about Jews as local agents of international power obstructing the rise of German power (thus the connecting the programme of removing Jews from Germany with the rise of German power within Europe).
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May 6, 2015 11:02pm
wellygirl

time for a bit of lighthearted fun for the UK politics geeks…

Which leader are you in the debate?

http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/which-party-leader-in-the-challengers-debate-are-you

My result was: “You got: None of them. You’re not one of the party leaders. You’re David Dimbleby. You’re the one who’s really in charge. You’re the best”

pretty accurate if you ask me. 😉
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May 6, 2015 11:04pm
SPC

Reid, the CT’s tend to diminish the credibility of opposition to expanding Homeland Security/Patriot Act power within the USA and excessive resort to military intervention abroad.
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May 6, 2015 11:04pm
Andrei

Well this isn’t a big news story in the formerly Great Britain, I wonder why?

Libyan soldiers being trained in blighty to guard the empires Libyan assets, no doubt rape an English man.

This is one that has got it all so they will keep it buried

http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Trial-Libyan-solidiers-accused-rape-begins/story-26443783-detail/story.html
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May 6, 2015 11:55pm
Manolo

stephieboy’s favourite read and Ure’s business partner: http://nypost.com/2015/05/05/huffington-post-turns-10-but-its-profits-are-still-a-mystery/
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May 7, 2015 12:27am
Manolo

Nothing but the name of a family of crooks:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/hillary-clinton/11584746/Will-Chelsea-Clinton-be-a-major-factor-in-the-2016-election.html

Chelsea Clinton is in Marrakesh this week, alongside her father Bill, chairing a summit of the Clinton Global Initiative.
She has travelled the world in her capacity as vice chair of the family foundation, speaking in far flung locales on issues like women’s empowerment and health care in sub-Saharan Africa.

But she will likely soon be addressing smaller crowds, in towns like Mason City, Iowa and Manchester, New Hampshire, rallying support for her mother’s presidential campaign.
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May 7, 2015 3:59am
UglyTruth

Not to mention all the FEMA camps they’ve got waiting, the trains, the military exercises they’re having.

CNN Money back on May 24, 2004 had an article about a watchdog group reporting Wal-Mart had received about 1 Billion dollars in government subsidies to expand their business, building stores, buying property and such.

…

In December 2010, then Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano made waves with her announcement of a partnership between DHS and Walmart

https://intellihub.com/are-the-nationwide-walmart-closures-connected-to-detention-centers-for-american-citizens/
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May 7, 2015 5:45am
stephieboy

Now why do posters like Ugly Truth , Reid, EAD believe in such incredibly weird stuff re Hollow Earth, Roswell, FEMA Camps ,Mini Nukes etc, etc?
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May 7, 2015 8:13am
Griff

If you are too open minded your brains fall out.
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May 7, 2015 8:31am
Viking2

My god. The fuckwits have really got loose.
No more funding for the SPCA from this house.

Pig hunters charged for being pig hunters.

A hunter has appeared in the Blenheim District Court charged with animal cruelty against a wild pig.

Tyson Wairau Robson Thwaites, a scaffolder from Blenheim, is charged with ill-treating a pig by kicking a wild sow causing the animal unreasonable or unnecessary suffering or distress.

Thwaites is also charged with ill-treating a pig by encouraging three dogs to attack the pig causing the animal unreasonable or unnecessary suffering or distress.

He was charged under the Animal Welfare Act.

The 21-year-old entered no plea to the charges at court on Tuesday. .

The offence is alleged to have occurred on August 9 last year near Blenheim.

Prosecutor Jackson Webber said two other men were expected to be charged in relation to the offence.

Marlborough SPCA animal welfare inspector Kaycee Polkinghorne was at the short bail hearing.

The charges under the Animal Welfare Act carry a maximum penalty of 12 months’ imprisonment or a fine up to $50,000.

During the bail hearing, Webber requested Thwaites stay at his home address in Burleigh and did not hunt or kill any animal.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/68295826/hunter-bailed-on-animal-cruelty-charges

Here is her FB page. https://www.facebook.com/kaycee.polkinghorne?fref=ts
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May 7, 2015 10:27am
Viking2

Next the police won’t be allowed police dogs cause they bite and that’s still cruelty to an animal al be it the animal is a human being.
FFS.
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May 7, 2015 10:37am
UglyTruth

Now why do posters like Ugly Truth , Reid, EAD believe in such incredibly weird stuff re Hollow Earth, Roswell, FEMA Camps ,Mini Nukes etc, etc?

“Not only is the Universe stranger than we think, it is stranger than we can think.” ~ Werner Heisenberg, Across the Frontiers

“Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.” ~ Sir Arthur Eddington

“I have no doubt that in reality the future will be vastly more surprising than anything I can imagine. Now my own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose.” ~ J. B. S. Haldane
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May 7, 2015 11:06am
stephieboy

Ugly Tuth, proof then that there is life inside the so called Hollow Earth- Agatha . The substance of the werd idea that Amiral Byrd went inside this hollow earth is this quote from him,

“The Land of Everlasting Mystery” and once wrote: “I’d like to see that land beyond the (North) Pole. That area beyond the Pole is the Center of the Great Unknown.” Nothing more than that .

Interesting that the Nazis had an interest in this mystical mumbo jumbo of Hollow Earth and could explain Nazi sympathiser Ernst Zundel’s weird theory of alleged UFO bases at the Antartic.

As one can see it gets weirder and weirder.,

http://skepdic.com/hollowearth.html 
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May 7, 2015 11:23am
Yoza

Bloody Farrar, arbitrarily attempting to stop time at the 6th of May. What’s wrong with having a General Debate on the 7th of May? This is just the kind of elitist, high-handed arrogance up with which I will not put!
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May 7, 2015 12:21pm
UglyTruth

It’s actually a part of the vast right wing conspiracy.
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May 7, 2015 1:46pm
Gulag1917

Wagenknecht criticizes Merkel for serving US interests to detriment of EU population/economy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnHPmcUgfRU
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May 7, 2015 4:09pm
EAD

I wonder what Stephieboy and Shaun Herles will make of this article revealing the depths and realities of the US Police State?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41765.htm

“if you can be kicked, punched, tasered, shot, intimidated, harassed, stripped, searched, brutalized, terrorized, wrongfully arrested, and even killed by a police officer, and that officer is never held accountable for violating your rights and his oath of office to serve and protect, never forced to make amends, never told that what he did was wrong, and never made to change his modus operandi, then you don’t live in a constitutional republic.

You live in a police state.”
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May 7, 2015 4:35pm
Gulag1917

More food for thought, the historian is apparently gay.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3034720/Historian-David-Starkey-astonishing-attack-victim-status-Muslims-disabled-people-ethnic-minorities-says-women-average-intelligence.html
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May 7, 2015 4:41pm
ngatimozart

I think it’s about time that Hagar, Fisher at the NZ Herald and the NZ Herald should be called to account for their obvious attempt to cause damage to NZ international relations and NZ economy by publicising material that a disaffected former US NSA employee claims to be original NSA documents. Fisher and Herald are publishing material that is detrimental to NZ based on the word of a traitor to his country and have no way of knowing whether or not the material quoted is actually accurate. There are such things as false flag operations and the traitor is in Russia under the aegis of the Russian Federal Security Bureau. Now the NZ Foreign Minister is put on the spot by his opposite number and host in Beijing. Betcha the MSM didn’t report this.
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?cid=1101&MainCatID=11&id=20150506000131
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May 7, 2015 5:01pm
EAD

Do these “debating tactics sound familiar?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/planning-chaos-in-the-middle-east-destruction-of-societies-for-foreign-money-control/5445509

“A simple example would be accusing me of being “a communist” or “an unbeliever” or “a conspiracy theorist” for what I say above. The topic is diverted to a familiar hate-object of the audience. Corporate mass media and politicians do this as their stock in trade. It gets attention and usually sells. This blame-the-enemy diversion dominates across cultures, but is almost never named. It runs so deep into the group psyche that not even logicians, psychologists and cognitive scientists define it.

Once diverted to the hate-object of the group – say “Saddam” or “Putin” or “state socialist” or “terrorist” – most people block out disproving facts so as to remain acceptable to the surrounding group. Challenge by evidence or reason is derailed onto blaming a known enemy of the audience. This is the underlying track-switch of thought upon which all mass-murderous wars and system oppressions depend, as well as most propaganda of daily life. It is the cornerstone of American ideology which has no common ground but animosity to the latest designated enemy. Yet not even academics will stand up to the accusation of “Putin-lover”, “9-11 conspiracy theorist”, “communist”, or whoever the shifting enemy may be. US Republicans and branch-plant Harperism now rely on this enemy-hate for every attack ad and proclamation.”
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May 7, 2015 5:22pm
Shawn Herles

“I wonder what Stephieboy and Shaun Herles will make of this article revealing the depths and realities of the US Police State?

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41765.htm”

Given that it’s on an infamous anti-Jewish and anti-US conspiracy web site, not a lot.
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May 7, 2015 5:35pm
Shawn Herles

“Do these “debating tactics sound familiar?”

Yes. They sound like the tactics employed by the owner of the so-called “TrueBlue” web site, the one you are promoting here.

“Knuckle dragging commie progs!!!!”
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May 7, 2015 5:37pm
Gulag1917

Shawn thinking
Any disagreement with Jews and/or the USA is:
“anti-Jewish and anti-US conspiracy”.
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May 7, 2015 5:41pm
Shawn Herles

“Any disagreement with Jews”

How do you disagree with an entire race of people with multiple opinions?

“and/or the USA is”

There is a difference between reasonable critique, and whackjob conspiracy theories.

And any claim posted on a conspiracy web site is by definition a conspiracy theory.
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May 7, 2015 5:46pm
Shawn Herles

Debunking one conspiracy theorists claims about the US being a police state. Point by point.

http://skepticproject.com/team-review/1/police-state-2000/
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May 7, 2015 5:49pm
stephieboy

This from the Information clearing house,

“May 05, 2015 “Information Clearing House” – “RI” “In a democratic society,” observed Oakland police chief Sean Whent, “people have a say in how they are policed.”

Unfortunately, if you can be kicked, punched, tasered, shot, intimidated, harassed, stripped, searched, brutalized, terrorized, wrongfully arrested, and even killed by a police officer, and that officer is never held accountable for violating your rights and his oath of office to serve and protect, never forced to make amends, never told that what he did was wrong, and never made to change his modus operandi, then you don’t live in a constitutional republic.

You live in a police state”

Highly debatable and contentious on a number of accounts .I don’t think of any place where the police come under so much critical scrutiny and held to account for their actions on a number of fronts, including media ,politicians and judiciary. Simply a bland and sweeping generalisation and assertion typical of Conspiracy websites like the ICH.

The irony is that the website I believe originates from the US.
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May 7, 2015 5:55pm
nasska

Shawn

It pains me to have to point this out yet again. The correct quote is, ….”cowardly, prog, homo, knuckle dragging, marxist, leftist scum”. 🙂
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May 7, 2015 5:57pm
Griff

The funny thing is reds politics and those of ead are incompatible.
Red is all for a police state like Singapore were dissent with the government is outlawed while ead claims to be a libertarian.
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May 7, 2015 6:00pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hvp1vd2sajgwkl0/Singapore%202.jpg?dl=0
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May 7, 2015 6:07pm
UglyTruth

And any claim posted on a conspiracy web site is by definition a conspiracy theory.

For starters, a claim and a theory are two different things.

theory:

1. A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.

claim:

3. To state to be true, especially when open to question; assert or maintain.

dictionary.search.yahoo.com
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May 7, 2015 6:41pm
wellygirl

I have been catching up on news from home, when I saw an article by Andrea Vance on the UK election, normally I have mild annoyance at her articles, but there was one sentence/paragraph in today’s article that has made me quite angry.

The offending bit was:

‘Teetering on the edge of misogyny, Tory leader David Cameron declared Scottish National Party (SNP) leader Nicola Sturgeon would “eat [Labour leader Ed] Miliband for breakfast lunch and tea” claiming the devious pair “will take away our country.” ‘

So, how is that quote misogyny? or even teetering on the edge of misogyny? Andrea Vance has to learn that comments showing women as strong (even if meant in a negative fashion) – as this is doing in my opinion – is not sexist or misogynistic. What would Andrea Vance have said if Cameron had made that comment (or a similar one) about Alex Salmond or Nigel Farage? Would she have said it was teetering on misandry? I doubt it.

It makes me angry when women like Andrea Vance label critiques and criticisms of women as sexist or misogynistic, they throw the word around without fully understanding how they are diluting its meaning, and in doing that all women end up being tarred by the same brush, so when we are faced with true sexism and misogyny (which I am glad to say is relatively rare in NZ) it isn’t taken seriously because the words are thrown around so much over things that are nothing like it!

Okay, rant over. I just needed to get that out.
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May 7, 2015 7:35pm
Shawn Herles

“It pains me to have to point this out yet again. The correct quote is, ….”cowardly, prog, homo, knuckle dragging, marxist, leftist scum”. ”

My apologies naaska. In my defense I did tend to switch off about half way through those little gems of comedy.
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May 7, 2015 8:00pm
Shawn Herles

“Okay, rant over. I just needed to get that out.”

Well, it was a very good rant! 🙂
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May 7, 2015 8:01pm
Harriet

I’ve never said the Queen has to directly involve herself Shaun, but to think that she has never ‘raised her concerns’ about matters within the Commonwealth with the Commonwealth Heads of State defies belief. South Africa, Rhodesia, Fiji to name a few.

Like I suggested – Key is saying nothing about outright attacks on Christianity. Neither are people like Cameron. That’s rather telling with regards to the matter of the Queen and her Oath Shatn. 🙂
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May 7, 2015 8:22pm
Harriet

Their predecessors however did speak about Rhodesia, South africa and Fiji. The Commonwealth Heads of State did take actions towards those places – and said so publicly.

They are not however saying much at all about outright attacks on Christians within the Commonwealth. That is rather telling where the Queen is concerned.

And I don’t get ‘prickly’ towards educated, and rather decent fellow Christians either Shawn. 🙂
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May 7, 2015 8:35pm
Griff

Have you been reading the same crap as wugly harry?
The Queen nz is not the same as the Queen and defender of the faith uk
Key is not a christian so can hardly be expected to bat for the other team.
We did once have a Christian party in New Zealand. it collapsed under the weight of hypocrisy of its kiddy fiddling leader.
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May 7, 2015 8:36pm
UglyTruth

Some recent drama related to Jade Helm:

As a journalist and editor for Veterans Today, the Senior Editor of which is Gordon Duff, I was astonished when he trashed an article by another former Marine, Robert O’Dowd, by adding an “Editor’s Note” claiming that what O’Dowd had to say was uninformed, unsourced and misleading, since he (Gordon Duff) had “checked with his sources” and they all told him that JADE HELM was an innocuous “training op”. After doing my own research, I published an article about it, “JADE HELM is NOT a ‘normal training drill’”, where I was not surprised that he added another “Editor’s Note”–this time twice as long and even more venomous–trashing my article, too. After it received 600 reads in the first hour (which hinted it would become #1), he took it down.The next day, he tossed me out of Veterans Today. […] I have managed to recapture the article, which I have now republished at jamesfetzer.blogspot.com, which you can access here. Ask yourself why anyone in that position would have attacked this article, especially from a writer for VT who has published 150 articles on JFK, 9/11, Wellstone, Sandy Hook, the Boston bombing and Fukushima.

http://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/05/03/mass-defection-of-writers-from-veterans-today-alternative-radio-hosts-in-suspicious-car-accidents/
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May 7, 2015 8:39pm
Dave_1924

So Shearer gave McCully a kicking about telling NAt MP’s to stay away from Falun Gong meetings in NZ so as to not antagonise the PRC …..

Fair enough freedom of association is important… And tweaking the Chinese nose is fine by me….

But Mr Shearer better not get on his high horse when Mr P Gardner faces the death penalty, as is highly probably, when his trial finishes in the PRC…. just saying maybe Muzza was trying to get things lined up to make an appeal for Mr Gardners life when the trial comes to an end…..

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11444942

And personally I think Mr Gardner is a gone burger – the Chinese don’t do spectacular, bring your rock star defense attorney get away with murder, trials a la the US. Mr Gardner is in it up to his forehead and sinking fast methinks
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May 7, 2015 8:42pm
Harriet

Btw. I forgot she is also the Head of the AC, which maybe is why you are also defending her, but I wasn’t suggesting that – just her role as Head of the Commonwealth. Cheers Shawn.
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May 7, 2015 8:43pm
UglyTruth

The Queen nz is not the same as the Queen and defender of the faith uk

Two questions:

1. Did the Queen of New Zealand swear an oath which included the following words?

Will you solemnly promise and swear to govern the Peoples of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the Union of South Africa, Pakistan, and Ceylon, and of your Possessions and the other Territories to any of them belonging or pertaining, according to their respective laws and customs?

2. Did that same oath describe the role of the Defender of the Faith with the following words?

Will you to the utmost of your power maintain the Laws of God and the true profession of the Gospel? Will you to the utmost of your power maintain in the United Kingdom the Protestant Reformed Religion established by law? Will you maintain and preserve inviolably the settlement of the Church of England, and the doctrine, worship, discipline, and government thereof, as by law established in England? And will you preserve unto the Bishops and Clergy of England, and to the Churches there committed to their charge, all such rights and privileges, as by law do or shall appertain to them or any of them?

http://www.royal.gov.uk/ImagesandBroadcasts/Historic%20speeches%20and%20broadcasts/CoronationOath2June1953.aspx
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May 7, 2015 8:46pm
Griff

First sentence wugly says “respective laws and customs”
The law in New Zealand says our Queen of New Zealand is separate from the Queen of the uk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_New_Zealand
New Zealand’s monarch—since 6 February 1952, Queen Elizabeth II—is today shared equally with fifteen other countries within the Commonwealth of Nations, all being independent and the monarchy of each legally distinct. For New Zealand, the current monarch is officially titled Queen of New Zealand,
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May 7, 2015 8:54pm
nasska

….”We did once have a Christian party in New Zealand. it collapsed under the weight of hypocrisy of its kiddy fiddling leader.”….

You just farted in the confessional Griff. Surely you know that the Godgobblers don’t like to be reminded of their beloved leader’s fall from grace. 🙂
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May 7, 2015 8:58pm
Left Right and Centre

TV isn’t always rubbish – Michel Roux Jr Chocolate Perfection tonight.

Lyon France – high end chocolate works of art – skilled artisans – big chocolate chimp sculptures – beautiful exquisite jaw-dropping shops and architecture – real people, real places.

They’ve got so much style and class – wow – had to sit down and give it full attention – not my strong suit.

In the ads I flicked over to see some clown who reminds me of Dougal from Father Ted – grinning manically like a retard doing who knows what in some fish and chip shop. Didn’t learn much about fish or chips or the business or how it’s doing or anything interesting about the place, the street it’s in, the customers, the menu choice, unusual requests, how things have changed, ask for some industry opinions, plans for the future, what the guest does in his off time, his greatest achievement, how he thinks the Govt is performing, what changes could make fast food business better, about his family, or about the guest in general. Oh – he made something for the queen – didn’t really catch what it was – the answers were struggling to fit inside a crowded room of noise blowing out of the host . . .

Nah – it was all ‘me me me me me fuckin me’ – and now let’s turn the video of me me me on – I can’t wait to see myself on a screen – perfect.

AND !! I believe Seven Sharp did an actual story *on the shop* whereas blowhard live simply used it to intro all their other ‘real’ stories. Because it’s all about them -sheesh
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May 7, 2015 8:59pm
Griff

It was Graham Capill who farted I am just pointing out the smell still lingers nasska.
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May 7, 2015 9:19pm
UglyTruth

First sentence wugly says “respective laws and customs”

So what? The point is that the oath makes the Queen, and there’s only one oath.

The law in New Zealand says our Queen of New Zealand is separate from the Queen of the uk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_New_Zealand

Wikipedia is full of shit. Consider this nonsense:

The Crown is regarded as a corporation, with the sovereign, in the position of head of state,[2] as the centre of a construct in which the power of the whole is shared by multiple institutions of government acting under the sovereign’s authority.[28] Though this power stems from the people, all New Zealanders live under the authority of the monarch.
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May 7, 2015 9:34pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth, delightful and heart warming to see conspiracy loons like Gordon Duff,. Jim Fetzer etc having their time honoured past time squabbling and back stabbing amongst themselves.

Hilarious !
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May 7, 2015 10:38pm
ngatimozart

Ah JADE HELM and conspiracy theorists. So the UN are going to invade the US and take it over. PMSL. I read a post on a military forum about it and it was all pure rubbish written by someone who has read to many bad conspiracy novels. That thread didn’t last long.
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