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Keeping Stock

Better late than never, I suppose…
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May 27, 2015 2:49pm
BeaB

Is anyone else tired of the relentless string of negative stories on Morning Report?
Mostly we never even get to hear what the Government is proposing and why before the barrage of opposition ranging from semi-hysterical (Annette King this morning) to plain dogged opposition (Phil Twyford-whatever-they-do-I-am-against).
I’d love the news to inform me, tell me why something is happening and then, and only then, ask for the naysayers to point out all the flaws.
I am sure if I added up the anti-Government stuff it would far outweigh anything else.
And I have to pay for it!!!!
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May 27, 2015 2:53pm
Alan Wilkinson

The lunatics are in charge of the asylum: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/11631729/Carbon-tax-was-misjudged-and-made-coal-uneconomic.html
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May 27, 2015 2:54pm
Manolo

Addled Griff will blame Satan: http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/9528712/our-churches-have-fallen-in-love-with-climate-change/

Faced both with shrinking numbers and ballooning irrelevance in recent years, the churches are desperate to burnish their reputation to attract a new generation of believers. Frustrated by loss of influence and authority, churches in the affluent, secular Western world have been searching for a new challenge to demonstrate their relevance and compassion.

Climate change alarmism and global salvationism are perfect as quasi-religious elements that can fill the void left by the decline of Christianity in the West. They combine a fear of an impending apocalypse with an urgent summons to immediate repentance which appeals to our very human feelings of guilt and unworthiness.

No wonder climate alarmists declare climate change is the greatest moral threat facing humankind today.
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May 27, 2015 2:57pm
dime

“before the barrage of opposition ranging from semi-hysterical (Annette King this morning) ”

shes getting worse. i guess its hard defending labour leaders?? but my god. some weeks on zb she just shreiks.

other times, like this morning, she will tell us that her dear leader didnt say what hosking or joyce said he did. even though we have all seen him say it on video. she rewrites history a day after it happens. just shows how they arent ready to govern.
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May 27, 2015 3:00pm
Manolo

Not a single NZ publication would dare to publish articles like these:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-leading-article/9535802/getting-it-wrong/

http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/australia-features/9536142/wheres-waleed/
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May 27, 2015 3:01pm
mandk

From yesterday (it was on the Seales thread, but I promised not to derail that discussion by replying)

eszett: “There are no abortions taking place against the will of the mothers”

I think it would be more accurate to say that there are no abortions taking place without the consent of the mothers (even though some of them are too young to have consented to sex in the first place).

There are probably a lot of mothers who have abortions unwillingly because of coercion or pressure from the boyfriend, husband, parents, school counsellor, peers, employer etc, or simply because they can’t see how they could cope.

But, thank you for referring to mothers. At least that means we are talking about babies being aborted, not just collections of cells.
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May 27, 2015 3:10pm
stephieboy

Manolo, irrespective whether it could be published in NZ at least we can all readily access it online .The article itself is full of sweeping assertions and gross generalisations. Example ,

“Meanwhile, despite the left vowing it would never happen, ‘multiculturalism’ has led to Aussie kids killing and dying for Islam – and then begging to come ‘home.”

Are we to believe that ethnic groups like Greeks, Christian Lebanese,Italians ,Indian Hindus and Christians etc who form an important part of Australia’s multiculturalism have led to “Aussie kids killing and dying for Islam…. ” ??

At least we could expect here less sloppy standards of Journalism .!
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May 27, 2015 3:15pm
Yvette

Climate change alarmism and global salvationism are perfect as quasi-religious elements that can fill the void left by the decline of Christianity in the West.

Yes, well I don’t see that being incompatible with Moses leading the Chosen People for 40 years through the desert,
as pointed out by Golda Meir, in order to bring them to the one spot in the Middle East that has no oil!
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May 27, 2015 3:22pm
Nukuleka

Just as there are indeed mothers who agree to abortion because of the subtle pressure that is exerted upon them by members of their family, friends or peer group so too there would be men and women who make the decision to end their lives prematurely through euthanasia because of pressure, stated or implied, by members of their family. Whatever ‘safeguards’ might be placed around voluntary euthanasia no government can legislate against subtle personal coercion.
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May 27, 2015 3:23pm
waripori

I read the dom post last night and have trawled through the last two days politics stories on Stuff and the Herald web sites. I still cant see any reference to the Roy Morgan poll. Have not seen much TV news so there may have been some stories there but not as far as I know. That must be deliberate rather than oversight.

The poll is quite volatile so if the next one comes out with the Nats at 51% we will probably get stories about National support plummeting.
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May 27, 2015 3:23pm
kowtow

This is a big deal. Why we ever entertained the CHi Coms as a free economy and got so close to such an oppressive and belligerent regime is beyond me.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/580071/China-United-States-war-inevitable-South-Sea-conflict-white-paper
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May 27, 2015 3:25pm
wreck1080

bob jones ejected from plane for refusing to comply with exit seat rules — ie, helping other passengers escape.

If it were so important you should allocating responsibilities to younger stronger people.
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May 27, 2015 3:25pm
Manolo

He’ll go down in history as a complete failure. Now, the courts check the Messiah:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/05/26/obama-courts/

President Obama’s second-term agenda, it seems, is in the hands of the courts.

Same-sex marriage. Obamacare. Climate change. And now immigration. And in many cases, there is significant doubt about whether his signature initiatives will stand legal scrutiny.
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May 27, 2015 3:27pm
stephieboy

Manolo, oh if like you, if it weren’t for the colour of his skin !
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May 27, 2015 3:39pm
Manolo

oh if like you, if it weren’t for the colour of his skin!

You ought to be kidding. The grossly incompetent Barack is paler than this humble darkie, yours truly. 🙂
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May 27, 2015 3:42pm
peterwn

wreck1080 – Cabin crew would assess exit row passengers for capability (eg not looking frail and can see and hear OK) and would re-seat passengers they consider are not up to it. Part of the deal for the extra legroom is to listen and understand the special briefing and make yourself aware of the surroundings including where the door handle is, which way to turn it etc. It would be interesting to know if the cabin crew wanted to re-seat him when he was not showing interest – he most probably would have been given that option. I hope Air NZ and Jetstar ban him for a week. Air NZ should also send him the bill for the delay – probably several thousand dollars.
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May 27, 2015 3:58pm
wreck1080

Ahh, this auck council is up to its usual bullshit again.

Council recently chucked parking limits outside the auckland flat without consulting residents.

So, you cannot even park outside your own house without getting a ticket now. Despite these parks being empty during the day and only really used by residents.

Now, auckland are doing this…

“Residential parking zones will have a time limit, but residents will be able to purchase parking permits. It is not known how much these will cost but they will be issued annually, the document said”.

So, what used to be free parks outside the house, you now have to purchase permits for the same rights you had previously.

Ahh, auckland , the worlds most unliveable city.
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May 27, 2015 4:06pm
wreck1080

@peterwn ::

Not sure the full story, you’d need to hear what bobs got to say and i bet it’s a doozy.
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May 27, 2015 4:08pm
waikatogirl

Wreck:
bob jones ejected from plane for refusing to comply with exit seat rules — ie, helping other passengers escape.

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Apparently Bob was reading his book instead of listening to the safety message. Shock horror, but I wonder how many times Bob has previously heard this same safety message, probably a few hundred times I would imagine?

After being ejected from the plane, it has now been reported that Bob won’t be facing charges for his failure to listen to the flight crew.
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May 27, 2015 4:24pm
doggone7

BeaB @ 2:53 pm

Do not listen to Morning Report.

If you want to hear what the Government is proposing and why the Government is so brilliant tune into Mike Hosking, Jamie MacKay or those sports jock guys on the sports station. You will get the true oil there. I don’t know about Paul Henry as a source yet.
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May 27, 2015 4:25pm
Ross12

Well done to this young guy. Everyone else has been talking about it –he got off his rear end and did something !

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/apps/68903393/foreign-drivers-steered-right-by-app-developed-by-kiwi-14yearold
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May 27, 2015 4:25pm
doggone7

wreck1080 @ 3:25 pm

The most important thing about the allocation is Bob Jones sitting in the easiest seat for getting out of the plane. If the plane goes down or there is some emergency, horror of horrors, the most important thing is that Bob be given the best opportunity to survive. The world needs him more than anyone else on the plane.

I’m surprised he even needs a plane to fly actually.
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May 27, 2015 4:30pm
Viking2

The flight was delayed some 20 minutes, prompting an apology from the flight’s captain, who said “no matter who you are”, passengers had to obey CAA regulations, which included paying attention to safety briefings.
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Yes Nanny.

FFS. No doubt a bunch of lefties.

Bet it pissed off the other passengers that a stupid little girl felt so empowered over such trivia. Of course they really don’t understand common sense etc.
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May 27, 2015 4:40pm
virtualmark

Beab,

Is anyone else tired of the relentless string of negative stories on Morning Report?

And let’s not talk about Mary Wilson …

On the one hand we shouldn’t be surprised. Radio NZ is nicknamed “Red Radio” for a reason. The same reason commentators were quick to say John Campbell would feel at home at Radio NZ. As in … it’s overweight in left-wing luvvies. Realistically (a) they are quick to call Labour & Green MPs for their perspective, (b) those Labour & Green MPs have plenty of free time to rant on radio, and (c) Nat MPs seem to have a policy of not appearing on Radio NZ. Although John Key is now on there every Monday morning.

But, on the other hand, my take is Radio NZ needs to be VERY careful they don’t end in the same position the BBC now finds itself. Conservatives are so pissed off at the BBC’s political bias that they have gone to war with the BBC. See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/bbc/11598854/BBC-v-Tories-Corporation-and-the-Conservatives-rocky-history.html

If you’re a state-funded broadcaster then pissing off the government of the day with your political bias is a very stupid move.
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May 27, 2015 4:43pm
Lance

@Viking 2
A window exit seat requires to listen to the safety briefing so that in an emergency no or less people burn to death by allowing a quick exit at that point
A report said Bob was offered another seat if he didn’t want to comply but instead was a PITA.

The report also said the passengers cheered as he was lead off, sounds like the passengers thought he was being an arse.
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May 27, 2015 4:55pm
G152

I have found a name for that mindless noise in between intelligent remarks.
I call it an Annette and it can be measured as 1 King, 2 King and so on.
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May 27, 2015 5:01pm
Dennis Horne

Maybe the flight attendant was officious. Maybe Jones was objectionable. Maybe the captain was a woman. 😉
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May 27, 2015 5:02pm
Reid

I am sure if I added up the anti-Government stuff it would far outweigh anything else.

Don’t worry BeaB, when Liarbore get into office, then RedRadio will switch to nothing but good news for the govt and the opposition will be as quiet as a mouse.

If you’re a state-funded broadcaster then pissing off the government of the day with your political bias is a very stupid move.

No its not, they’re invulnerable. As I explained the other day, RadioNZ are the colonial propaganda channel, which all Westminster Commonwealth members are required to have. Simple as that. If they get spun off to the private arena or cut completely, the people who do that will have to answer to the Colonial Office in London, and don’t think it doesn’t exist anymore.

Besides, you look at the UK, the home of P.C., the place where Parliament is the gayest in the world, and WTF do you expect such an institution to be?

But who cares anyway. Because who hasn’t worked out ages ago left and right are mere reflections designed to entertain. Politics is a show, it’s not real. Why do you think nothing ever happens.
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May 27, 2015 5:52pm
niggly

BeaB and Virtualmark, quite agree, Morning Report has gone downhill since Geoff Robertson’s retirement.

Their new chief, Paul Thompson, ex-Fairfax Newspapers, with nil radio/broadcast experience, thought it would be great idea to bring tv personalities into RNZ with him (eg Guyon Espiner and Wallace Chapman). Trouble is, in radio land the presenter’s voice reigns supreme (which clearly isn’t an issue with print media and even tv where the visuals are important).

So thanks to Thompson we have Guyon with his whinny voice (especially when he tries to attack the PM regularly and gets all angry) and Wallace’s voice is a cross between a wimpy sounding kid who has grabbed a low-frequency megaphone – both of them have lousy radio voices.

Anyway back to your points, to tell the political bias of these radio hosts one only needs to listen to the manner in which they question MP’s. Guyon regularly goes feral on the PM and interrupts wherever he can but I noticed the other day when Guyon interviewed Andrew Little about his superannuation about-face, Guyon gently prodded Andrew Little about these changes and let Little do the talking without interruptions, despite Little clearly being caught out.

As someone who has been listening to Morning Report since the 70’s as a kid (when the parents had the radio on at breakfast time) I am dismayed at how it has become “less neutral” of late and is now openly partisan and sympathetic to not only Labour, but the luddite non-real world Greens. Does this reflect the political/economic comprehension of the radio hosts?

I’m starting to not tune into Morning Report like I used to each morning.

Even my missus who isn’t politically active has noticed the same thing and is tired of the negative anti-Govt beat-ups day after day and now wants me to re-programme her stereo system’s frequencies to listen into ZB (Hoskings) in the morning instead …
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May 27, 2015 5:57pm
Reid

Silly old neocons get it disastrously wrong yet again, but who expected anything less from the utter morons who’ve been running Washington since Bush 41 first took office in the late 80’s?

Disaster after disaster after disaster.

These are sad days in Washington and Wall Street. The once unchallenged sole Superpower at the collapse of the Soviet Union some quarter century ago is losing its global influence so rapidly that most would not have predicted anything comparable six months ago.

The key actor who has catalyzed a global defiance of Washington as Sole Superpower is Vladimir Putin, Russia’s President. This is the real background to the surprise visit of US Secretary of State John Kerry to Sochi to meet with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and then a four hour talk with “Satan” himself, Putin.

John Kerry’s September 2014 deal with ailing Saudi King Abdullah delivering heavy pain in the Russian finances. It was also threatening an explosion of an estimated $500 billion in high-risk-high-yield “junk” bonds, debt that the US shale oil industry had taken on from Wall Street banks in the past five years to finance the much-touted US shale oil revolution…

…Their shale projects were calculated when oil was $100 a barrel, less than a year ago. Their minimum price of oil to avoid bankruptcy in most cases was $65 a barrel to $80 a barrel.

Shale oil extraction is unconventional and more costly than conventional oil. Douglas-Westwood, an energy advisory firm, estimates that nearly half of the US oil projects under development need oil prices greater than $120 per barrel in order to achieve positive cash flow.

By end of December a chain-reaction series of shale oil bankruptcies threatened to detonate a new financial tsunami at a time the carnage from the 2007-2008 securitization financial crisis was anything but resolved.

Even a few high-profile shale oil junk bond defaults would have triggered a domino-style panic in the US $1.9 trillion junk bond debt market, no doubt setting off a new financial meltdown that the over-stressed US Government and Federal Reserve could scarcely handle. It could have threatened the end of the US dollar as global reserve currency.

Suddenly in the first days of January, IMF head Lagarde was praising Russia’s central bank for its “successful” handling of the ruble crisis. The US Treasury Office of Financial Terrorism quietly eased off on further attacks on Russia while the Obama Administration pretended it was “World War III as usual” against Putin. The US oil strategy had inflicted far more damage on the US than on Russia.

Not only that. Washington’s brilliant total war strategy against Russia initiated with the November 2013 Kiev EuroMaidan coup d’etat has become a manifest, utter failure that is creating the worst imaginable geopolitical nightmare for Washington.

Far from reacting as a helpless victim and cowering in fear before the US efforts to isolate Russia, Putin initiated a brilliant series of foreign economic, military and political initiatives that by April added up to the seed crystal of a new global monetary order and a new Eurasian economic colossus to rival US sole superpower hegemony.

He challenged the very foundations of the US-dominated dollar system and her global world order everywhere from India to Brazil to Cuba to Greece to Turkey. Russia and China signed mammoth new energy deals that allowed Russia to redirect its energy strategy from the west where the EU and Ukraine, both under strong Washington pressure, had sabotaged Russian EU gas deliveries via Ukraine…

…The EU sanctions on Russia also backfired as Russia retaliated with a ban on EU food imports and a turn to Russian self-sufficiency. And billions of dollars of contracts or exports from German firms like Siemens or France’s Total were suddenly in limbo. Boeing saw large aircraft orders to Russian carriers cancelled. Russia announced it was turning to national suppliers in production of critical defense components.

Then Russia became an “Asian” charter member of China’s remarkably successful new Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB) designed to finance its ambitious New Silk Road Economic Belt high-speed rail network across Eurasia into the EU. Rather than isolate Russia, US policy backfired badly as, despite strong pressures, US staunch allies including Britain, Germany, France and South Korea all rushed to join the new AIIB.

urther, at their May meeting in Moscow, China’s President Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin announced that the China silk road rail infrastructure would be fully integrated with Russia’s Eurasian Economic Union, a staggering boost not only to Russia bit to Eurasia into China, a region containing the majority of the world’s population.

In short, by the point John Kerry was told to swallow hard and fly to Sochi, hat in hand, to offer some kind of peace pipe to Putin, US leading circles, the American Oligarchs had realized their aggressive neo-conservative warhawks like Victoria “Eff the EU” Nuland of the State Department and Defense Secretary Ash Carter were propelling the creation of a new alternative world structure that could spell the ruin of the entire post-Bretton Woods Washington-dominated Dollar System. Oops.

In addition, by forcing her European “allies” to toe the US anti-Putin line, to the severe detriment of EU economic and political interests, alone her vigorous participation in the New Silk Road Economic Belt project and the economic boom in investment that will bring with it, Washington’s neo-conservatives have managed also to accelerate a probable parting of the ways between Germany, France and other Continental European powers to Washington.

Finally, as the whole world (including even Western anti-Atlantists) came to view Putin as the symbol of resistance to the American dominance.

At this juncture the only thing clear is that Washington has finally realized the stupidity of its provocations against Russia in Ukraine and globally. What their next scheme will entail is not yet clear. Clear is that a dramatic policy shift has been ordered on the Obama administration from the highest levels of US institutions. Nothing else could explain the dramatic shift. If sanity replaces the neo-con insanity remains to be seen.

http://russia-insider.com/en/washington-blows-itself-its-own-bomb/ri7405
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May 27, 2015 6:07pm
hj

Chinese views on multiculturalism

China’s population is huge.

What people aren’t generally aware of, though, is that more than nine out of 10 Chinese people think of themselves as belonging to just one race, the Han. This is remarkable. It is quite different from the world’s other most populous nations: India, United States, Indonesia and Brazil. All recognise themselves to be, in varying degrees, multiracial and multicultural.
True, a country that is the size of a continent has obviously been home to countless different races down the ages. But that is not how the great majority of Chinese see themselves today.
Why is this?
The answer takes us back to the birth of modern China more than 2,000 years ago. China is extremely old – the longest continuously existing country in the world. The eastern half of China – where the vast majority of Chinese live now and lived then – has been more or less united ever since 211BC.
Over that extraordinarily long period – as a result of war, occupation, absorption, assimilation, ethnic cleansing and government resettlement – the sense of difference between the many races that lived in the eastern half of China was slowly eroded.
Fundamental to this process was the gradual emergence of a shared cultural identity.

If the strength of the Han identity is that it has held China together, its weakness, I would argue, has been its relative lack of respect for difference, an underlying assumption that the non-Han should become like the Han – indeed eventually be absorbed into the Han. This attitude is not difficult to understand, it is how the Han became almost, but not quite, synonymous with being Chinese, or, to put it another way, how China was created.
Ethnicity is a powerful determinant of how societies perceive others. So how is China, as a global power, likely to view the rest of the world?

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-20083309
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May 27, 2015 6:17pm
Fletch

Rene Girard on euthanasia –

The experience of death is going to get more and more painful, contrary to what many people believe. The forthcoming euthanasia will make it more rather than less painful because it will put the emphasis on personal decision in a way which was blissfully alien to the whole problem of dying in former times. It will make death even more subjectively intolerable, for people will feel responsible for their own deaths and morally obligated to rid their relatives of their unwanted presence. Euthanasia will further intensify all the problems its advocates think it will solve. ~ Rene Girard
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May 27, 2015 6:51pm
Griff

The law allowing a teenager to keep her abortion private from her parents should stay in place, NZ Family Planning says.

Stratford mother Hillary Kieft presented a petition calling for an amendment to the law, to Whanganui MP Chester Borrows on Monday, after her teenage daughter had the procedure done without her knowledge, and attempted suicide a year later.

Six years on from the procedure, Kieft’s daughter still suffered from depression and she was left infertile.

* Mum calls for law change after suicide attempt follows secret abortion

New Zealand Family Planning chief executive Jackie Edmond said while she cannot speak about this specific case, she supported the law, as it stands, around parental notification.

“The law was put in place for a reason and the reason was young people don’t always feel comfortable talking to their parents around these issues and in fact the parents may have contributed to what happened to that young person.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/68876229/parental-notification-not-a-blackandwhite-issue

Nothing should ever override the responsibility a councilor has towards their client .
Often it is authoritarian parents who are the root cause of the girls problems. Allowing parents to get involved can result in social rejection, violence and even death.
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May 27, 2015 7:16pm
Dennis Horne

I agree, Griff. The counsellor should encourage the girl to involve her parents, even if the girl feels ashamed and fears her parents’ disapproval. I have no idea how often that might be the case.

I would think the real problems arise when the parents try to stop the abortion because they view it as murder, and anything is better than murder, anything and everything.
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May 27, 2015 7:26pm
Andrei

This should surprise no one: FIFA Officials Arrested on Corruption Charges
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May 27, 2015 7:26pm
Griff

Councillors would much prefer to have a supportive family to help a girl though such a crisis Dennis but the realty is often that is not the case.
The Councillors I know are antiabortion in private but professionally that does not effect how they approach their clients needs.
They are there to act only for the client and often represent the only person the client can access who only has their interest at hart.
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May 27, 2015 7:42pm
EAD

What’s Israel doing in Yemen?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/25/additional-confirmation-of-yemen-nuclear-attack/
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May 27, 2015 8:03pm
Reid

What’s Israel doing in Yemen?

What it always does EAD, as we both know.

Hey, quick question to those who don’t think the Western MSM is controlled.

How come Yemen hasn’t been covered yet? Why is that? Anyone whose been following it knows the pain that’s been inflicted and yet, the Western MSM remains totally silent. Why is that, when a fraction of the pain inflicted by some other country like say Iran, would cause endless and I mean endless screeching and literal clothes-rending by the paid sychophants in London, Washington and Paris.

And yet with Yemen, no-one apart from people like EAD, UT, myself, Andrei and a few others, bother to look at stuff like this:

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/05/26/412909/Yemen-Saudi-Arabia-aggression-Oxfam-water

The rest of you pretend apparently nothing’s happening and even if it is why the bias apparent in presstv totally invalidates any point made by those silly video picture things which of course naturally lie all the time.

Which raises a question in my mind.

WTF is wrong with you people?

With all the information resources at your fingertips as at May 2015, even then, you still remain pigshit ignorant, willfully.

WTF is wrong with you people?

Is it cos they’re darkies?

Is that why none of you, evidently, from your own behaviour to date, give a fuck?
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May 27, 2015 8:24pm
Griff

Don’t what ever you do look at number 24.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinehoward/2015/05/26/the-worlds-most-powerful-women-2015/
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May 27, 2015 8:32pm
nasska

….”Is that why none of you, evidently, from your own behaviour to date, give a fuck?”….

Some may have reached that stage Reid but I feel for most of us it is a manifestation of “Middle East Burnout”. This is a catatonic syndrome induced by decades of butchery, burning, enslaving & torture featuring in the news on an hourly basis.

On a personal level I’m totally beyond caring….everything about the area & its people is totally, hopelessly rooted.
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May 27, 2015 8:50pm
Reid

This is interesting.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-25/what-exactly-going-lake-mead

The drought in California is ~~going to have~~ designed to have devastating consequences.

Does anyone think Californy hasn’t been monitoring its own water table? Does anyone think that this current crisis which has even curtailed the celebs watering their lawns its that serious so you know it’s real serious, just crept up on California like some kinda cat burglar?

In one of the most scientifically advanced and richest nations in the world, we’re supposed to believe that in one of their richest states, this issue just wasn’t at all detected?

And before all of you frantically google and triumphantly table links from years ago that discussed the issue, that’s not the point. The point is, this issue would have been voiced at the highest levels decades ago, and nothing, clearly, was done. Absolutely nothing.

The question is why wasn’t anything done, in the 1970’s, 80’s, 90’s, noughties as this issue was tracked and monitored and discussed time and again, with multiple administrations.

That’s the point.
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May 27, 2015 8:53pm
Johnboy

For the folks from Eke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E0aZ387M_I
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May 27, 2015 8:58pm
cha

this issue just wasn’t at all detected?

It was.
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May 27, 2015 8:59pm
Griff

Its called the freemarket overrides responsible environmentalism reid.
If you watch you will see it expressed often on any right wing blog.
By the way Henson predicted the drought in the eighties as a result of something called global warming.
Dont worry though the drought will be lifted late this year.
With something like just ended the drought in Texas and Oklahoma.
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May 27, 2015 9:00pm
Reid

Some may have reached that stage Reid but I feel for most of us it is a manifestation of “Middle East Burnout”. This is a catatonic syndrome induced by decades of butchery, burning, enslaving & torture featuring in the news on an hourly basis.

Do you know what Yemen is about though nasska?

Yemen is a take-down of an Iranian ally by Saudi-Arabia acting as proxy for Israel. It’s another piece in the puzzle for weakening Iran same as Syria has been, for taking out Iran is the only reason why the entire nation of Syria needed to be and is being destroyed and raped and enslaved.

Sorry if you find all of that boring, personally I find it many things, but not boring.

To me the ME is a completely open book, it’s perfectly obvious to me what’s happening there, and I don’t speak a word of Arabic and haven’t even particularly ever studied the region. But unlike so many Western people, I don’t get all confused by the mass of seething factions of tribes and families and all of that.

And this is because what I read and talk about on here actually is not bullshit. The alliances are quite obvious.

Westerners hallucinate they’re confusing but I’m a Westerner and I can tell you they’re not at all confusing, in any way.

All you need to do to gain this knowledge is forget every single thing the Western MSM has ever said about the entire ME.

I’ll have a look over the long weekend for some good reads on this if you like, I can’t be bothered doing it now but if you’re interested I’m happy to. And then it will become to you too, an open book.
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May 27, 2015 9:02pm
nasska

You remember the brewery strikes in the 70s JB. The only muck left to drink anywhere in the Lower North Island was Waikato….. or Leopard if you got really unlucky.

Desperate days. 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:04pm
Johnboy

The coming drought in Eketahuna is more of a fuckin worry Griff! 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:05pm
Shawn Herles

“or Leopard if you got really unlucky.”

Ugh. Wash your mouth out! 😉
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May 27, 2015 9:06pm
nasska

I’d be interested Reid but please make them short reads.

My concentration isn’t what it used to be. 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:07pm
Johnboy

I quite liked Waikato 4X nasska. I suffered from a bowel problem at the time and it certainly helped my movements along! 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:08pm
Griff

Used to always take a box of waikato to party’s nasska
meant I could arrive with a full box drink everyone else’s piss and walk out with a full box.
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May 27, 2015 9:09pm
Shawn Herles

“I’d be interested Reid but please make them short reads.”

I’ll make it easy. It’s the evil Jews again. No need to read anything now. 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:09pm
Shawn Herles

I tried drinking Leopard beer once. Never again.
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May 27, 2015 9:11pm
Johnboy

Call me a bloody pervert if you like but when I was a younger chap I used to buy swappa crates of DB Lager! 🙂

That’s probably what made me need the Waikato to assist the bowel therapy I guess! 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:11pm
Johnboy

I think you should elucidate your points of view in much greater detail Reid.

The peasantry are obviously not following your line of reasoning judging by their comments above! 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:15pm
Reid

I’d be interested Reid but please make them short reads.

nasska it’s a bit problematic to explain the most complex geopolitical region on the planet in ‘short reads.’

Let me think about it.

Needless to say, it will be considerably more nuanced than Shawn’s 9.09 which of course as we expect and know, is remarkably paranoid, as befits a neocon who just wants to nuke the A-rabs if only poor widdle Iswael could get away with it without being condemned forever on a worldwide basis. Don’t you Shawn. That’s what you’d really love to do, isn’t it.
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May 27, 2015 9:16pm
nasska

Waikato wasn’t so much drunk as chewed. 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:16pm
Johnboy

If they drank whisky they would have much greater cognitive powers of course! 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:17pm
Don the Kiwi

Leopard Conitnental lager in quart bottles was a bloody good drop – maybe you were de-sesitised by that bloody awful Red Band 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:17pm
MT_Tinman

Keeping Stock (9,954 comments) says:
May 27th, 2015 at 2:49 pm

Better late than never, I suppose…

I’ve read a fair selection of the comments in the thread up until now.

I disagree!
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May 27, 2015 9:17pm
tavita

I can recite the safety briefing by heart and I am sure Bob can too. It starts with the statement that you should listen to the briefing “even if you are one of our most regular customers because every aircraft is different”. What then follows is virtually identical irrespective of aircraft or carrier. If I am in an emergency row I always check which way the window opens (Boeing and Airbus differ) and then read a book. The fun videos of air nz are great to get the attention of infrequent fliers. After the second time they are nauseating.
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May 27, 2015 9:20pm
Johnboy

Your old enough to be a connoisseur of Red Band like me Don! 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:20pm
Psycho Milt

First time I tried Waikato was when I helped a guy with his car and he dropped off a crate of Waikato as a thank-you. I eventually wondered whether I’d unintentionally made a real mess of his car and this was his way of paying me back…
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May 27, 2015 9:21pm
MT_Tinman

Don the Kiwi (1,907 comments) says:
May 27th, 2015 at 9:17 pm

Leopard Conitnental lager in quart bottles was a bloody good drop

Leopard – ALL products of Leopard breweries – was only surpassed by the SI twins of Timaru Bitter and the Southland Skitters as being the worst beer known in the history of booze.

My uncle’s immature home brew was better.
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May 27, 2015 9:22pm
Johnboy

Bob will probably buy his own airline now and only hire ex-boxers as cabin crew! 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:22pm
Shawn Herles

“Don’t you Shawn. That’s what you’d really love to do, isn’t it.”

Nope. Anymore silly questions?

Wait a minute, that last question may itself have been a silly question. Of course you do!
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May 27, 2015 9:24pm
MT_Tinman

Johnboy (18,179 comments) says:
May 27th, 2015 at 9:20 pm

Your old enough to be a connoisseur of Red Band like me

We used to go to the St.George and drink bottled Bavarian to get the taste out of our mouth.

A mate went as far as The Grand and drank Waikato Pilsener for the same reason.
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May 27, 2015 9:25pm
Johnboy

On a trip to Stewart Island many years ago we ran out of piss and on the MRS asked our charter guy to bring in some Lion Brown on his next trip to the area.

Our faces fell when the chap duly turned up with 10 dozen Speights.

Lion Brown being unknown in Southland.

We drank the shit anyway. 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:28pm
Johnboy

It’s not difficult to re-direct the GD thread really! 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:30pm
MT_Tinman

Johnboy

You have no idea how lucky you were that he didn’t turn up with 10 dozen Southland Skitters.

Not even hardened Red Band or Harleys (the beer of the ferries) drinkers would have survived that.
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May 27, 2015 9:31pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

NZ Music Month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LN9uo3kfqGQ
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May 27, 2015 9:35pm
Reid

I can recite the safety briefing by heart and I am sure Bob can too.

I think tavita the diff is someone who thinks he’s so special he can sit in the wing emergency exit seat and just do whatever the fuck he likes, vs the rest of us who have not just humility to recognise we’re but one of the rest of the flawed humans who are being, and also those who give a fuck about others.

Does anyone think if Jones had got away with it and there was an accident and it came down to a question of Bob doing something to either save himself alone or save ten other people including some children but not himself, which way it would have gone down?

The rest of us aren’t like he is, that pilot and crew, deserve a medal, for recognising that and enforcing the rules which apply to every single one of us who buy a ticket.

If Bob wants, then buy himself another private business jet, and spend 10,000 p.h keeping it running.

Go on Bob, we dare ya.
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May 27, 2015 9:36pm
Brigitte

On the Bob Jones saga, the cabin crew don’t give a rats arse about passengers listening to the normal safety briefing. But they’ll throw a tanty if those in the emergency exit seats don’t listen to their special briefing (and then they’ll throw those idiots off the plane if they persist in their behaviour of not listening).

Of course this means that Bob will definitely have a topic to write about next time he gets his pen out. Which probably won’t be worth reading unlike his normal acerbic epistles.
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May 27, 2015 9:39pm
thedavincimode

Leopard Incontinental, Tui, Double Brown, DB Lager, Leopard/Lion (?) Pilsener, Lion Rouge, Lion Brun, Lion Super, Steineken, DB Green, DB Brown, Bass.

Ah, those weren’t the days … We live in enlightened times now.
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May 27, 2015 9:44pm
Johnboy

Fosters Lager is the now Leonardo? 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:46pm
nasska

Have to call you out on the Tui Davinci.

Used to drink my weight of the stuff every month & it was a nice drop. 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:49pm
Johnboy

Bob’s most likely figured that if the Airbus shits itself at FL 320 nothing the trolley bint/gayboy has got to say will save him! 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:49pm
Johnboy

I mix Tui and Steinlager in a tall glass these days when my liver needs a break from the hard liquor nasska! 🙂

It’s like the 21st. centurys DB Lager! 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:51pm
Brigitte

And don’t forget that XXXX has been renamed BEER as all mobiles in Australia now have a free spelling app installed.
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May 27, 2015 9:51pm
Johnboy

Shit Minus has mistaken you for me Leonardo! 🙂
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May 27, 2015 9:54pm
Brigitte

@Bottocks

I would have gone for AFFCO myself but your choice has a gentler video.
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May 27, 2015 10:02pm
Inandout

In Campbell Live’s dying days he gets access to a Parole Board meeting at a prison. Great, but could he not have balanced it up with an interview with a victim of a crime committed by someone on parole? And these bracelets are a joke when another prick has cut one loose and absconded.
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May 27, 2015 11:32pm
wreck1080

An example why auck council should be sacked…

“Bylaw hearings panel recommends city stops the promotion of alcohol brands on council land or buildings.”

They are not council owned, rather, ratepayer owned.

Alcohol advertising is a government issue, not local government. So, why is the council not out there fixing the pavements instead of worrying about things outside its jurisdiction!!!
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May 28, 2015 7:15am
hj

Who farted? “Not me” says Russell Brown.
http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/the-epitome-of-reason/
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May 28, 2015 7:47am
Manolo

stephieboy’s fellow Muslims are up in arms: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/islamists-isis-supporters-blame-texas-floods-on-infidel-muhammad-cartoon-contest/
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