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Chuck Bird

Does anyone believe that forced marriage is not happening here in New Zealand?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/68721673/police-get-guidelines-on-investigating-forced-marriages
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May 23, 2015 8:02am
duggledog

I see that the video for that appalling ‘protest’ at Sky City was recorded by one Bradley Ambrose of the tea pot tape saga where apparently he didn’t know nothing about what he was doing.

Ha ha, working for the Herald now, that’s effectively working for McDonalds if you’re a cameraman.

The silver cloud in the lining yesterday at Sky City was the fact only a couple dozen of the ferals turned up. Mostly spotty boys trying to impress bespectacled teen girls from school or homeless Maoris.

If poverty was an issue and worker’s rights were being trampled, you would see thousands, not a couple of dozen.

Poverty is a myth.
Being poor is real.
Big difference.
Being poor in this country is far better than being poor in about 95% of this planet’s various territories.

At least Campbell Live is gone so a bit less oxygen for the Bradfords of this world
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May 23, 2015 8:07am
Chuck Bird

Should legal aid pay for this scum bag to appeal? I say NO.

Blessie family: ‘We wish to remember her for who she was, rather than the evil that happened’
4:10 PM Friday May 22, 2015

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=11453049
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May 23, 2015 8:09am
EAD

The Irish today are voting on gay marriage:

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/here-comes-groom.html

At least they’ve been asked, the legislation was rammed through in double-quick time here, without the merest hint of a public mandate.

What’s been interesting from reading the coverage in this mornings paper is that like every other country that it has been rammed through is that the “yes to gay marriage” campaign have followed the same tactics using the media to campaign that anyone voting no must be some king of “homophobe” or “bigot”.

Like the casual hurling of labels like “denier”, “racist” etc, rational discussions have been rendered intellectually worthless by this tactic.

Because arguments are effectively barred, all we have is the pathetic spectacle of people hurling voodoo terms like “gay rights”, “equality” or “sustainability” in lieu of actual reasoning. Because these terms are understood as synonyms of good, they don’t require justification and shut down the debate, as anyone trying to go against them is immediately suspected of evil intentions.

This anti-intellectual debasing of language is the new tyranny of our times and it is 100% stacked against those of a right wing persuasion. It’s just like coverage of the budget whereby if you opposed the Nats policies you were said not be “caring” and by default, evil and heartless.

Scholars are going to look back and wonder how we have descended so far since the enlightenment.
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May 23, 2015 8:14am
duggledog

Chuck

The rock ape is not going to see the light of day ever again, that I can assure you.

I’m sick of so called home D and ankle bracelets. Build another couple of prisons. Put one on Brown’s Island.

Bill me.

EAD – I’ve given up worrying about the oxymoron of gay marriage, if they want it, let them have it.

Everyone knows its not real. We tell little kids about the Easter Bunny and Santa don’t we? Same diff.
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May 23, 2015 8:14am
G152

I noticed the number of red shirts and familiar rentamob faces in that ‘protest’
And wondered why those protests are always against the Nats and none against Liebor.
I’d recommend that the police control that behavior with capsicum spray
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May 23, 2015 8:14am
lolitasbrother

haha EAD [8.08am] “ramming through gay marriage in double quick time”
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May 23, 2015 8:15am
MCos

I thought that ‘forced marriage’ article was going to be about Gloriavale for a moment there, Chuck.
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May 23, 2015 8:20am
EAD

@ duggledog,

The Savant puts it succinctly on why it matters in his typically humorous manner:

“But beyond the simple and ‘harmless’ extension of human rights, the rubric under which the vote is peddled, lies an altogether more sinister piece of legislation railroaded through Parliament without opposition or even debate. The Children and Family Relationships (C&FR) Bill will fundamentally alter the nature of the family. It will for example enable a same-sex couple to adopt. And this, according to Fintan O’Toole, the High Priest of Irish “liberalism”, has been the main driver for the Yes campaign. Thanks for your honesty Fintan, if for nothing else.The Bill will also sharply shift the balance from biological to ‘psychological’ parenting, and from first marriages to second and third relationships. With the state – as in the kind of people who did such a stellar job in the Rotherham sex abuse scandal – deciding which option is ‘in the best interests of the child’. Yeah, right.

So yes, genetics are pretty much out of date and what matters now is the quality and quantity of the ‘love’ the child receives. Experts tell us so. So it must be right. They tell us that we’re ‘obsessed’ with biological parenting and must be open to other forms. This way we’ll be liberal, progressive, tolerant and enlightened as distinct from being HATERS!!! “Everyone Is Equal” the posters proclaim. Really? So a child-murdering paedophile is equal to a brain surgeon? Ok, got it. Glad we cleared that up.”
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May 23, 2015 8:22am
Dennis Horne

We need more oxymorons. Like painless executions.

Actually, homosexual marriage isn’t a oxymoron, it’s a contradiction, like liquid ice.
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May 23, 2015 8:22am
Chuck Bird

“The rock ape is not going to see the light of day ever again, that I can assure you.”

@duggledog

That is not the point even if you are right. He would no be the first sex killer to get out of jail.

I say why should the family have to go through any more? The is obviously guile. Why should the taxpayer pay for him to appeal?
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May 23, 2015 8:23am
Orleans23

Poverty talk again, but still no acknowledgement of the fact that the majority of disabled people (and their families) live in poverty due to the attitudinal and buearacratic barriers this govt and society puts up. More money for special ed – whoopsie do when it perpetuates what’s so wrong. Time this govt publically said they are serious about getting it right
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May 23, 2015 8:25am
Paulus

See that Rachael Smellie is taking over Campbell on TV3.
That should stuff them – whilst I disliked Campbell Smellie is ten times worse.
Nasty piece of work.
To Shortland Streets benefit.
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May 23, 2015 8:28am
EAD

Interesting that the National Party have been telling us that they must force the flag change vote on us because it was in their manifesto.

http://truebluenz.com/2015/05/23/rod-drury-exposes-awful-arrogance-and-elitism-of-flag-change-panel/

Using such logic, where in their manifesto was their mandate from the voters for their far left budget they gave us on Thursday?
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May 23, 2015 8:31am
NK

Funny how times change and how power corrupts.

John Key in 2004 when Labour was in government:

“The Budget boosted incomes of low- to middle-income families through measures such as increased family assistance, tax credits and accommodation supplements.

National’s deputy finance spokesman, John Key, said the result of the Budget’s Working for Families package was “communism by stealth” and the impact was much larger than he had expected.

John Key and National in 2015 when they are in government:

There’s also a boost in childcare subsidies for low income families – those will increase from $4 an hour to $5 an hour for up to 50 hours of childcare a week.

Working for Families subsidies will increase for some. Families earning under $36,000 a year get an extra $12.50 a week in Working for Families.

Those earning less than $27,000 a year will get a total weekly increase of $24.50.

Other families will get a progressively smaller increase as their incomes get higher.

“A plan that’s working” is how Bill English labelled it.
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May 23, 2015 8:32am
Reid

Should legal aid pay for this scum bag to appeal? I say NO…why should the family have to go through any more? The is obviously guile. Why should the taxpayer pay for him to appeal?

Quite agree Chuck. What’s the grounds for appeal anyway?

Also, what’s with this name suppression.

What I’m interested in is finding out all about this scum, is he an immigrant, what’s his family background, what’s his form, where and how did he pick up these amazing attitudes that he displayed during the trial, no remorse, outrageous entitlement, totally self-centred beyond belief, etc etc.

So why has he been given name suppression. Over the last say five years this name suppression has got all out of whack, as usual with no debate. I think there needs to be some readjustment on that, it’s like the wowsers and hand wringers inside the system have got things all their own way on this issue and the public interest has come dead last. Not good enough, it’s not the wowser’s system, it’s OURs. Where’s the journalists doing their job and picking this up and agitating for a change? Looks like times have changed there too, don’t it.
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May 23, 2015 8:34am
Dennis Horne

Talking about words. I have just submitted a two page article for a government publication, at the request of the department.

I was told to remove policeman and facilitate, and substitute police officer and make it easier or simpler to.
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May 23, 2015 8:36am
NK

His name suppression lapsed after he was convicted. Then the scum indicated he would appeal that so it stays for a further 20 days (I think) until the appeal is filed.

It was a sensible decision to grant him name suppression in the first instance because his background would have easily led to an impartial jury – yet they made the right decision anyway.
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May 23, 2015 8:43am
Reid

The Savant puts it succinctly on why it matters

Yes EAD, I was patiently explaining the social engineering implications of gay marriage to the people here during the debates but of course in their limited understanding and worldview all those fools could see was the bullshit human wights aspect and even when I pointed out civil unions gave them all rights except a label the people still felt quite content destroying the family unit for the sake of a mere label.

I must have said made those points a thousand times during the debates in different ways, and not one of the fools ever got the point.

Now it’s just a wait and see as the predicted comes to pass, like this child adoption, as the evil ones slowly slowly slice the elephant and gradually expose their evil plans for all to see, plans which they’ve had all along and which the braying masses refuse to gaze upon, as they munch the grass in the green green meadow of peace and contentment (which happens to be false but they don’t know it). And when you think about it when an institution like the family is at stake and still the sheeple are prepared so easily to abandon that, what else is going to be hard, by comparison.
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May 23, 2015 8:44am
mikenmild

Reid
I think DPF produced some stats on name suppression a while ago that showed the use of it is actually decreasing.

I see you and Chuck feel competent to decide that the man is ‘obviously guilty’. Why did we bother with a trial at all, let alone rights to an appeal?
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May 23, 2015 8:47am
stephieboy

EAD,

“Scholars are going to look back and wonder how we have descended so far since the enlightenment.” ???

Yeah those who like you who take e.g Davif Icke and Tyler Durden etc so seriously !
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May 23, 2015 8:49am
Manolo

Free trade between Muslim barbarians: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-claims-it-could-buy-its-first-nuclear-weapon-from-pakistan-within-12-months-10270525.html

Isis has used the latest issue of its propaganda magazine Dabiq to suggest the group is expanding so rapidly it could buy its first nuclear weapon within a year.
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May 23, 2015 8:51am
NK

I love those red down tick for pointing out the blatant socialism and hypocrisy in this year’s Budget. It looks like you Nats are not very thick-skinned.

If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. In fact, it’s preferable you do get out because you’ve burnt the food and it’s inedible.
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May 23, 2015 8:59am
Reid

I think DPF produced some stats on name suppression a while ago that showed the use of it is actually decreasing.

mm not sure how long you’ve been in NZ but I have been for over 50 years and I can confidently tell you there has been a step change for the worse in name suppression in the last 5 or so years which has resulted in it being granted to all kinds of people where it never was granted before. And no this is not due to change in coverage of cases so it only appears the rules have changed.

I see you and Chuck feel competent to decide that the man is ‘obviously guilty’.

Well he is. Perhaps you weren’t in NZ over the last few weeks while the coverage was being broadcast. Based on that, he is guilty, there is no doubt whatsoever. You’d have to be galloping moron at full roar not to recognise that obvious FACT.

Re: the appeal, I said: where are the grounds for appeal? Appeals deal with questions of law. The only possible question of law that arose based on the coverage is his antics in firing his counsel and the way the Judge dealt with that is sufficient to deny appeal on those grounds, and those are the only possible grounds. So the little prick has no grounds and all he’s doing is fucking the taxpayer and system around just cos he can. And fuck him if he thinks he can do that. And if our girly little justice system is going to bend over for him and let him rape it up the arse, then we need to change our system don’t we so it’s not quite so girly anymore.

That’s the point mm, not surprised it flew straight over your head, I don’t think I’ve ever made a point where you actually ever got it, first time round.

It was a sensible decision to grant him name suppression in the first instance because his background would have easily led to an impartial jury

Sorry NK, you know this for a fact, how?
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May 23, 2015 9:01am
stephieboy

The only possible sensible and sane outcome in this trial of the murder of Blessie Gotingco ,

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11453049

But this insanity and stupidity continues ,

“…However the accused instructed his lawyer Chris Wilkinson-Smith to instantly appeal name suppression – which means it remains in place under a Court of Appeal hearing can be called. It is unknown how long a review in the Court of Appeal could take. “
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May 23, 2015 9:02am
mikenmild

And the argument actually goes straight over Reid’s head. He will dismiss any statistics that run counter to his impression that name suppression is on the rise, which it isn’t. No, Reid always knows better. I shan’t even bother to look up DPF’s piece as Reid would probably claim that official statistics cannot be trusted when they run counter to his personal knowledge.
Reid is also remarkably well placed to assess the guilt of accused persons by his insightful assessment of the media coverage, even though he distrusts media coverage generally. What a mess of contradictions he is. Why bother to try these scum when Reid already knows they are guilty? As for the appeal, how the hell could you judge, now, whether any actual points of law could be found on which to base an appeal?
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May 23, 2015 9:12am
Simon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwDq32MtOQU
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May 23, 2015 9:15am
holysheet

For all the bald men out here, Dr Phil says a bald mans head is a solar panel for the sex machine.
I like it.
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May 23, 2015 9:16am
Reid

Why bother to try these scum when Reid already knows they are guilty?

Exactly mm. I couldn’t agree more. Give me a Judge’s salary and watch all the injustices get wiped out, lickity split, just like that.

As for the appeal, how the hell could you judge, now, whether any actual points of law could be found on which to base an appeal?

Wouldn’t you like to know. Why don’t you wait and see what the CoA has to say, then come back and apogise for being so profoundly wrong, again. Let’s diary this.
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May 23, 2015 9:17am
Dennis Horne

Didn’t they track this possibly-innocent killer with GPS, find his semen in the corpse?

A $100 trial and a $2 sentence would satisfy all my requirements for justice in his case.
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May 23, 2015 9:18am
NK

Sorry NK, you know this for a fact, how?

Because I know his name and what he’s done previously.
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May 23, 2015 9:21am
Jack5

More pay-offs from Stephieboy’s delightful multiculturalism:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/68721673/police-get-guidelines-on-investigating-forced-marriages
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May 23, 2015 9:21am
Chuck Bird

@mikenmild

I do not give a fuck about points of law. This guy is clearly guilty. Anyone who cannot see this is thick as two short planks.

The taxpayer should not fund his appeal. This social welfare for lawyers.
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May 23, 2015 9:24am
EAD

@ Reid 8.44am,

you are again dead right. It’s the same cultural vandalism that the world witnessed in the French and Soviet revolutions and like these, it will eventually collapse under its own absurdity but in the meantime it will continue to grow.

@ Stephieboy 8.49am

I shouldn’t really respond to your childish musings but for your benefit I will.

The reason we are digressing so much from Enlightenment principles is that we are now approaching an era of complete State theocracy. Locke and Hobbes’ vision of a society where morality is a private matter which is dealt with in civil society whereas the state is in charge of morally neutral issues of government is for all intents and purposes gone. Notice in Ireland that all political parties are campaigning for a “yes” vote, just as all political parties over here (except NZ first) are campaigning for a flag change

What makes this a dark period for human history is that unlike the Middle Ages, where power was shared by monarchs, the aristocracy and the church, all power is now concentrated on the State. This new Statist religion which you subscrive to (equality/environmentalism/relativism.) is doing do away with democracy (I know the Irish get a free vote but media coverage resembled that of a communist state) as it needs to deny the will of people to make their own moral choices (i.e. the flag “referendum” farce, the law will eventually be passed whether people want it or not after the massive media campaign to get them to vote the “right” way) and needs to eliminate all traces of tradition either by co-opting cultural institutions like marriage/flags etc., which will render them meaningless, or by PC policing of language or behaviour.

Of course though you resort to the typical anti-intellectual “conspiracy theorist” label to try and shut down debate but while we’re still legally allowed to hold “taboo” views, I will continue expressing them.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-23/1967-he-cia-created-phrase-conspiracy-theorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge
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May 23, 2015 9:26am
Inandout

Manolo: I doubt the Israelis will allow insane people to purchase/develop nuclear weapons. It is bad enough unstable Islamic countries like Pakistan having them.
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May 23, 2015 9:27am
grumpy

I have been doing a lot of political website reading lately.
I reckon Laudafinem Is by far the best.
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May 23, 2015 9:27am
Reid

I reckon Laudafinem Is by far the best.

By far grumpy.

Because I know his name and what he’s done previously.

Right. So do we have yet another case of vicious thugs being given chance after chance by a toothless system that only ever really holds to account those who aren’t serious and let’s the serious ones just slip through its fingers: e.g. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11453261

Of course the fact our justice system is looking like the one from the Frankfurt School recommendation is just a coincidence, isn’t it.

1. The creation of racism offences.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family
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May 23, 2015 9:32am
mikenmild

Not much point waiting for the appeal, Reid. If the appeal is heard, then a point of law will have been raised, thus proving my point. You are the one claiming that no such point of law could be found. What a great judge you would make. Trials would be short, ass with your christian gift of ‘discernment’ you could probably judge guilt or innocence without hearing evidence at all.
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May 23, 2015 9:32am
Sir Leslie Bottocks

yup, go here-> http://laudafinem.com/

now!
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May 23, 2015 9:33am
Sir Leslie Bottocks

Although I have to say, their apparent lack of interest in the AG’s joke decision on the Rich blatant corruption is kinda interesting, lol!!
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May 23, 2015 9:37am
OneTrack

Chuck – “Does anyone believe that forced marriage is not happening here in New Zealand?”

No. Welcome to the diversity of other cultures.

Diversity is good, right?
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May 23, 2015 9:39am
Dennis Horne

Before Free Love there was Forced Marriage. I remember it well… 😉
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May 23, 2015 9:43am
Sir Leslie Bottocks

NZ Music Month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nN8kVlUIxSs
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May 23, 2015 9:44am
SGA

Chuck Bird at 9:24 am

I do not give a fuck about points of law.

As a general principle, I think that it’s probably good that we do care about such things. And, yes, that will lead to occasional situations that look a bit ludicrous.
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May 23, 2015 9:44am
SGA

Dennis Horne at 9:43 am

Before Free Love there was Forced Marriage. I remember it well…

Shotgun wedding was it, Dennis? 🙂
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May 23, 2015 9:45am
Paulus Gnome

DH @ 8.22 -‘We need more oxymorons. Like painless executions’

Shame that we seem to have an awful lot of morons who would benefit from a little less oxy!

Wet Saturday so I propose to start a KB meme with oxymorons until such time as the sun comes out or the Mall (maul?) opens.

I will begin with the biggest morons:

Labour is unified in their policies.

Carry on team
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May 23, 2015 9:54am
Maggy Wassilieff

@grumpy 9:27am

I reckon Laudafinem Is by far the best.

As long as you’ve got a few free hours to read through each posting. ..turgid writing.
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May 23, 2015 9:56am
OneTrack

SGA – “And, yes, that will lead to occasional situations that look a bit ludicrous.”

Like this one. How do you lodge an appeal before you even get out of the courtroom? Does everybody automatically appeal every vonviction these days? What’s the appeal about – that he was smacked when he went to school, and that’s why he did those things to an innocent bystander. So he should just be let go?

Pension fund for lawyers – keep litigating the same cases again and again.
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May 23, 2015 9:56am
EAD

With Memorial Day coming up in the US on Monday, we take time to remember IMHO, America’s greatest ever soldier Smedley Butler (Old Blood & Guts Patton a close 2nd),

Butler was the author of the book “War is a Racket” and one of only 19 people ever awarded the Medal of Honor twice and the only person to be awarded a Marine Corps Brevet Medal and a Medal of Honor for two different actions.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/05/22/war-is-a-racket-forbidden-history-on-memorial-day/

http://www.damninteresting.com/the-revenge-of-the-fighting-quaker/
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May 23, 2015 9:57am
calendar girl

Sir Leslie: thanks for that link @ 9:33am. As Maggie says, it’s turgid writing, but it fills in a number of important information gaps.
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May 23, 2015 10:01am
SGA

OneTrack at 9:56 am

Does everybody automatically appeal every vonviction these days?

I’d guess that appeals are more common in “high stakes” trials of the sort that generate a lot of publicity, so it might be easy to get a biased view of how much appealing goes on? Happy to be corrected.
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May 23, 2015 10:03am
fernglas

So I deduce that the story with the Gotingco killer is this;

1) He was wearing a GPS bracelet at the time. Those can be worn for two reasons, either because he was on bail or parole.
2) His name was suppressed but not his image, because google can search names but not images.
3) He was either on bail or parole for some offence which would have been likely to prejudice the jury had they known about it, or he has previous history which would have had the same effect.
4) Once he indicated he would appeal ( and I bet the first ground is that he didn’t get a fair trial because he sacked his lawyer) the judge was bound to maintain name suppression as the problems above would have occurred on any retrial.
5) Once his name is disclosed, there will be hell to pay about what he was doing outside at all, and some interesting legal debate around whether the jury should have heard about his other offending.
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May 23, 2015 10:09am
publicwatchdog

Ok – all you Kiwibloggers who are concerned about ‘lawful due process’ happening at the ‘highest Court in the land’ – the NZ House of Parliament?

What’s your view on the ‘Social Housing Reform(Flexible Purchasing and Remedial Matters) Bill’ being introduced, then railroaded through under ‘urgency’ and rushed through ALL its stages, on the SAME day, Thursday 21 May 2015?

NO Select Committee process, NO public input, NO ‘considered law-making due process.

DEMOCRACY for DEVELOPER$?

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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May 23, 2015 10:10am
OneTrack

so now you are against quickly solving Aucklands affordable housing problem Penny? Or is it that you want everybody (except you of course) to live in ghetto high rises over the top of railway stations, which is what Labour Len and his socialist council want. I imagine Len won’t be living in one of the ghetto buildings either – he does even ride the train unless there is a cameraman around. Another lefty telling other people what they should do, while not doing the same thing themselves. Hypocritical aka socialist.
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May 23, 2015 10:18am
Manolo

Will the rate bludger wear black when her mecenas Kim DotCom gets deported to the USA? Will she mourn for her German donor?
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May 23, 2015 10:21am
unhinging_dog

I applaud the removal of the kiwis saver kickstarter. Just a handout to the charlatan fund management industry, who have been empirically proven (many times) to be worse than a monkey throwing darts. I’m happy that I already have my 1 large though.

I would have liked to have seen a ‘milk tax’. Twist the knife on the farmers and crush this Bronze Age industry.
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May 23, 2015 10:35am
Keeping Stock

Once again you’re wrong Penny. The Bills were passed into law yesterday, although because the House is sitting under urgency, the Sitting Day is still Thursday.

I would have thought someone with an expert legal mind like you (after all, you seem to think you understand criminal law better that France J, Wild J and Miller J) would have known that.

PS: Why does the “S” key on your keyboard come up with a $ symbol? Did you spill something on it when the Court of Appeal handed down its decision in Banks vs R?
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May 23, 2015 10:42am
unhinging_dog

@Chuck Bird Legal aid should be available to all, regardless of how blatantly guilty they are. Equal access to the courts is a fundamental feature of the rule of law. There is no way around this.

There is far too much ‘trial by media’ in this country.
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May 23, 2015 10:42am
Chuck Bird

@unhinging_dog

You are entitled to your opinion but I am of the view the justice for victims is more important the justice for cold blooded killers.

Due process and welfare for lawyer does not always get such good results.

We have innocent people convicted and guilty ones getting off.

I think due process is responsible for the murder and rape of an innocent person. I also think most will agree with me when the facts come out.

If a person dies because a doctor makes a stupid mistake he pays a penalty. If a person dies because a judge makes a stupid error nothing happens.
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May 23, 2015 10:55am
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fernglas (259 comments) says:
May 23rd, 2015 at 10:09 am

1) He was wearing a GPS bracelet at the time. Those can be worn for two reasons, either because he was on bail or parole.
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I think you will find that an extended supervision order is also a reason, and can last up to a max of 10 years.

When the history of this piece of excrement is finally revealed, NZ will have lots of questiosn to be answered, but above all will be revolted. I also wonder if the crown prosecutor from this shits past will have any comment to make, especially given his new position.
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May 23, 2015 10:55am
unhinging_dog

@Chuck Bird I pretty much agree with everything you say, But judicial accountability does not preclude equal access to justice.
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May 23, 2015 11:03am
Chuck Bird

@unhinging_dog

Sadly as many lawyers will tell you you do not go to court to get justice you go to court to get due process and law.
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May 23, 2015 11:18am
Reid

When the history of this piece of excrement is finally revealed, NZ will have lots of questiosn to be answered, but above all will be revolted.

NZ will have lots of questions to be answered only if someone like Hoskings or Henry gets hold of it and doesn’t let it go until everyone involved in the system from police to corrections to Justice have all had a jolly good rogering, up to and including multiple resignations and a complete revamp of the whole parole system for serious offenders. And that’s going to take months and months of follow up and never letting it go.

And does anyone think that’s going to happen?

And does anything think anything whatsoever will really change, if that doesn’t happen?

That’s what SHOULD happen. But what WILL happen is that there’ll be a short period of weeping and wailing and crocodile tears, then the news cycle will move on and not a single official, not a single one, will be touched in the least. That’s my prediction.
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May 23, 2015 11:20am
waikatogirl

Reid:

Also, what’s with this name suppression.

What I’m interested in is finding out all about this scum, is he an immigrant, what’s his family background, what’s his form, where and how did he pick up these amazing attitudes that he displayed during the trial, no remorse, outrageous entitlement, totally self-centred beyond belief, etc etc.

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Shaun Plunkett said yesterday that once name suppression was lifted on this scum the whole nation would be talking about his past crimes, a nasty background. I guess that will have to wait now until his appeal has been heard, whenever that will be. 🙁
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May 23, 2015 11:21am
Fletch

Woh, that was quick. The day after Letterman finishes, CBS are dismantling and throwing the set in dumpsters.

CBS wasted no time in kicking David Letterman’s set to the curb. Sentimental fans gathered outside the Ed Sullivan Theater on Thursday to watch as stagehands unceremoniously crushed and sawed through iconic pieces of the “Late Show” backdrop the day after the final show.

“I can’t believe they’re just demolishing the whole thing. It’s shocking,” said Stephanie Strausz, of Manhattan, who scored a second-row ticket to Wednesday’s star-studded finale.

“It should go in the Smithsonian, not the Dumpster,” she said.

Strausz was one of many “Late Show” lovers who successfully snagged a keepsake from a theater Dumpster that overflowed with red audience seats and bits of the bridges that made up the set behind Letterman’s desk.

http://nypost.com/2015/05/21/cbs-throws-david-letterman-set-into-dumpster/
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May 23, 2015 11:26am
Chuck Bird

@waikatogirl

“Shaun Plunkett said yesterday that once name suppression was lifted on this scum the whole nation would be talking about his past crimes, a nasty background. I guess that will have to wait now until his appeal has been heard, whenever that will be. ”

I can tell you Shaun is 100% correct.I
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May 23, 2015 11:50am
kowtow

EAD

The parody marriage vote in ireland. The yes side want tolerance , equality and undestanding but in our new democracies they use fascist tactics.

I find it hilarious that the govt parties there, who are promoting this nonsense claim it is not a redefinition of marriage!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ireland/11622932/Irish-gay-marriage-vote-Its-us-who-now-face-intolerance-say-No-campaigners.html

Violence, assault and insult. But it’s OK when “progressives” do it.
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May 23, 2015 11:54am
Manolo

“I can’t believe they’re just demolishing the whole thing. It’s shocking,” said Stephanie Strausz, of Manhattan, who scored a second-row ticket to Wednesday’s star-studded finale.

“It should go in the Smithsonian, not the Dumpster,” she said.

Imbeciles like this poor woman (of which there are too many) are sinking the United States. All this fuzz and drama for a TV show?
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May 23, 2015 11:59am
Manolo

They will need a minion like stephieboy in Washington to defend her:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/05/22/hillary-clintons-scandals-piling-up-faster-than-snow-in-blizzard.html

More than 17 months before Election Day, Clinton scandals are piling up faster than robberies during a police strike. There is a media feeding frenzy over her shady dealings and the sheer volume of unsavory revelations is approaching a critical mass. The pace of disclosures probably can’t continue, but already she’s looking less and less inevitable.

This week brought a new batch of bombshells. The Washington Post reported that, in addition to $5 million she earned from her latest book, Clinton earned $11.7 million by delivering 51 speeches since January 2014. The paper reported that she was paid an astonishing $625,000 for two speeches — in one day!
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May 23, 2015 12:06pm
stephieboy

Reid,
Of course the fact our justice system is looking like the one from the Frankfurt School recommendation is just a coincidence, isn’t it.

1. The creation of racism offences.
2. Continual change to create confusion
3. The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
4. The undermining of schools’ and teachers’ authority
5. Huge immigration to destroy identity.
6. The promotion of excessive drinking
7. Emptying of churches
8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
9. Dependency on the state or state benefits
10. Control and dumbing down of media
11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family

Highly debatable on most counts and which reflects a more deluded and paranoid view of the world.

Lets juts take a few,

2 .Continual change ? Do you want to see the banning of technological change and innovation ?

7. Emptying churches Do you and the Frankfurt school want to promote compulsory attendance ?

8. An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime. Hope your not including David Bain and was not Arthur Thomas generously compensated for the planted builets ? Just because people say their innocent does not necessarily mean they actually are.

10. Control and dumbing down of the media ?? Like the end of Campbell Live and /or the rise of David Icke and Alex jones etc.

11. Encouraging the breakdown of the family. Thus the the Frankfurt school and you would like to see the return to Fault divorce laws with the wife and children reduced to the status of a chattels ?
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May 23, 2015 12:26pm
Fletch

Imbeciles like this poor woman (of which there are too many) are sinking the United States. All this fuzz and drama for a TV show?

Yah. John Nolte over at Brietbart was a fan in the early days, but documents how Letterman turned nasty after the ratings war with Leno and his jokes became mean-spirited.

I didn’t leave David Letterman, David Letterman left me.

It was sometime around 2003 when I began to realize Letterman didn’t like me anymore. His anger was no longer subversive and clever, it was bitter and mean-spirited and palpably real. He was a jerk playing to his loyal audience — urban, cynical, elite, Blue State jerks. The humble, self-deprecating Dave had become the nasty, arrogant Letterman, an unrecognizable bully who reveled in pulling the wings off those he saw as something less.

Chris Christie’s weight; Rush Limbaugh’s personal life; everything Bill O’Reilly; Bush, Cheney, Palin, and the last straw, a statutory rape joke about Palin’s 15 year-old daughter. Suddenly you were a dangerous idiot for protecting the most Indiana of things — your gun.

The man who could make you laugh at yourself now wanted to hurt and humiliate.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/05/20/after-losing-to-jay-leno-david-lettermans-bitterness-cost-him-his-indiana-soul/
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May 23, 2015 12:27pm
SGA

The Washington Post reported that, in addition to $5 million she earned from her latest book, Clinton earned $11.7 million by delivering 51 speeches since January 2014. The paper reported that she was paid an astonishing $625,000 for two speeches — in one day!

I think I might be missing some context here. Why is this a scandal?
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May 23, 2015 12:28pm
stephieboy

kpwtow, yes the end for tolerance and restraint from all is both desirable and important , but this from your link puts some perspective on your rant,

“While the church hierarchy has backed the “No” vote, it has already lost much of its sway on moral issues because of the ongoing scandals over child abuse by priests. For many younger Irish people, a “Yes” vote is also simply way of saying that the days when priests and nuns had a say in nearly aspect of public life are over.”

And who could disagree !
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May 23, 2015 12:32pm
wellygirl

As predicted the other day our nice clear days in Beijing have gone and today the pollution is hitting 200 – well the last actual reading was 196, but I am guessing by now it is 200 looking at how little visibility there is, combined with the 30degrees plus expected it won’t be a nice day. On the plus side the air-conditioning works, and there will be no wind.
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May 23, 2015 12:35pm
Inandout

Sir Leslie Bottocks: Interesting when you google ‘that name that must not be uttered’.
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May 23, 2015 12:43pm
wikiriwhis business

FBI admits no major cases cracked with Patriot Act snooping powers

FBI agents can’t point to any major terrorism cases they’ve cracked thanks to the key snooping powers in the Patriot Act, the Justice Department’s inspector general said in a report Thursday that could complicate efforts to keep key parts of the law operating.

Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz said that between 2004 and 2009, the FBI tripled its use of bulk collection under Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which allows government agents to compel businesses to turn over records and documents, and increasingly scooped up records of Americans who had no ties to official terrorism investigations.

The FBI did finally come up with procedures to try to minimize the information it was gathering on nontargets, but it took far too long, Mr. Horowitz said in the 77-page report, which comes just as Congress is trying to decide whether to extend, rewrite or entirely nix Section 215.

Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/21/fbi-admits-patriot-act-snooping-powers-didnt-crack/#ixzz3av0H2Jug
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May 23, 2015 12:49pm
stephieboy

Well, well , well now look at this . Is there a connection between that and the conviction for murder of Blessie Gotingco ? ,

[DPF: Please don’t do that. Name suppression is still in force, subject to an appeal]
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May 23, 2015 12:52pm
grumpy

Does anyone know what Laudafinem means? If you google it, does it really mean “the truth will be revealed”.
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May 23, 2015 12:55pm
wikiriwhis business

When you understand how much wealth there is, $100 trillion in the US alone, you realize that we are witnessing deliberate systemic economic genocide. The unnecessary suffering of the masses must stop. In a time of unprecedented abundance, we are not going to passively sit back while our families are buried in debt and struggle to afford basic necessities.

Our economic system is a crime against humanity!

Economic policy makes it clear that the majority of the population has been sentenced to an impoverished future. The shortsighted greed of global bankers has put us on a fast track to societal chaos and rioting. They have thrown 75% of the population overboard. That is a mathematical fact!

If we want to change things through non-violent methods, the window of opportunity is closing fast. If love and compassion are going to prevail, now is the time to STAND UP.

http://daviddegraw.org/trillions-stolen-get-it-back-rally-at-central-banks-worldwide-june-20-waveofaction/
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May 23, 2015 1:02pm
jcuk

Why I support the appeal system is that after going to ‘that site’ and seeing ‘that photo’ I am convinced he is guilty as sin despite ignoring most of the radio coverage of the trial [ I do not have TV, so am spared that ]. Only those in the court for the complete duration of the trial can possibly make a judgement on my behalf. I have served on a jury for I think three days and we made our decision based on what we saw and heard during that period … not by reading/hearing truncated journalist’s precise of what they thought was important, or ‘sexy’ for the readers/listeners.
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May 23, 2015 1:10pm
Jacob

stephieboy – what are the chances of two totally different persons having the same hairline tattoo?
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May 23, 2015 1:32pm
Chuck Bird

jcuk, You are not a lawyer by any chance?

If the appeal system was so good why have so many guilty people been found not guilty and innocent ones found guilty?

How could anyone believe there is credible evidence that Peter Ellis is guilty or even that a crime was committed?
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May 23, 2015 1:33pm
All_on_Red

Speaking of marriage- a joke for you
“Desperate to use a payphone, a visitor to town searched high and low, and when he eventually found one, it was already occupied. Hoping that the man inside the kiosk wouldn’t be long, the visitor waited impatiently outside, constantly looking at his watch.
In an attempt to convey a sense of urgency, the visitor kept staring at the man on the phone but soon noticed that he wasn’t actually saying anything.
As the minutes passed, the visitor kept looking, nodding and pointing to his watch, but the guy inside paid no attention and just stood there with the phone in his hand, saying nothing into the receiver.
After a quarter of an hour, the guy inside had still not said a word into the phone. Thinking that he was being deliberately obstructive and just wasting time, the visitor finally lost his cool. Opening the door of the box, he tried to snatch the phone from the other man’s hand.
“Do you mind!” said the guy with the phone. “I’m talking to my wife!”
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May 23, 2015 1:40pm
wikiriwhis business

Pentagon says no one should be held accountable for $34 million debacle
Defense officials say decision to construct lavish facility in Afghanistan was prudent, even though it was never used

The $34 million command and control facility at Camp Leatherneck in Southern Afghanistan has never been used.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2015/05/20/17362/pentagon-says-no-one-should-be-held-accountable-34-million-debacle

I take it you Kiwibloggers find this conspiracy acceptable
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May 23, 2015 2:12pm
kowtow

waikatogirl

When it does come out there had better be a huge shit storm over it.
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May 23, 2015 2:29pm
kowtow

Read it and weep.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/how_our_refugee_program_left_us_in_danger_seeming_good_doing_bad/
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May 23, 2015 2:34pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Grumpy 12:55

Lauda finem ….. Praise the end
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May 23, 2015 3:07pm
starboard

That filthy murdering bastard needs to go down big time..fucking mongrel pond scum and parasitical recidivist offender needs to die..

My heartfelt sympathy goes out to the Gotingco family.
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May 23, 2015 3:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ Grumpy 12:55

probably a better translation is:
praise to the end
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May 23, 2015 3:43pm
calendar girl

What’s with the present “Hot debate” rating on Penny’s comment at 10:10am?

Two green ticks against 25 red isn’t a ‘debate’ at all, it’s an almost unanimous rejection of another attempt on her part to initiate an anti-Government rant. It’s a fail.
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May 23, 2015 4:26pm
Johnboy

She’s just pissed that I never rushed to AK to insert a new rod into her holder calendar girl! 🙂
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May 23, 2015 4:34pm
Manolo

Will stephieboy be concerned? http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/23/us/politics/prospect-of-hillary-clinton-marco-rubio-matchup-unnerves-democrats.html

Democrat express concerns not only about whether Mr. Rubio, 43, a son of Cuban immigrants, will win over Hispanic voters, a growing and increasingly important slice of the electorate. They also worry that he would offer a sharp generational contrast to Mrs. Clinton, a fixture in American politics for nearly a quarter-century who will turn 69 before the election.
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May 23, 2015 4:42pm
Johnboy

Poor Penny. She’s probably into MIG and TIG these days?

Multiple Insertions Gratuiously or Tandem Insertions Gigantically! 🙂
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May 23, 2015 4:50pm
kowtow

The joy of multiculturalism.This will be Roma , a crime wave on legs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11624796/Eiffel-Tower-shut-in-protest-at-pickpocket-explosion.html
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May 23, 2015 4:55pm
Johnboy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFRscTuCFz8
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May 23, 2015 4:59pm
Manolo

Why does Labour lite claim to be the party of low taxes
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/68744648/international-airfares-will-rise-new-departure-tax

International airfares will rise after the Government announced in Thursday’s Budget that it will sting passengers with $22 in arrival and departure taxes.

A “border clearance levy” of $16 for arriving passengers and $6 for departing passengers will be introduced from the start of next year, although the exact amounts will be subject to public consultation. The new tax would come on top of existing airport charges.

Auckland International Airport charges airlines a $25 “passenger service charge” to pay for terminal and infrastructure costs, which airlines pass on through airfares. Other New Zealand international airports have similar charges.
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May 23, 2015 5:02pm
Johnboy

Just for you kowtow!!!! 🙂
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May 23, 2015 5:02pm
stigie

“Poor Penny. She’s probably into MIG and TIG these days”?

I could be wrong JB, but didn’t Penny say she was a super duper , clever, shit hot arc specialist ?
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May 23, 2015 5:08pm
Manolo

Your musical taste is as refined as your taste in sheep, Johnboy.
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May 23, 2015 5:09pm
Johnboy

Wrong again stigie.

She’d be down in the Nui arcing over my hot rod otherwise! 🙂
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