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May 14, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 14 May 2015

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Reid

Kim Jong Un, The Dear Leader of North Korea has killed 15 of his senior officials this year. The latest poor sod, who had questioned Kim’s decisions, and fell asleep in a meeting, has been disposed of while standing in a paddock and shot at with an anti-aircraft gun!

Yeah you got to know the dude’s crazy, not because he does stuff like that, but because he’s got all the money and all the opportunity in the world, and he chooses to get his hair cut like this.
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May 14, 2015 5:30pm
nasska

Today’s revelation from McCready that he needs more funds to continue the hounding of our Prime Minister will doubtlessly have those suffering from Key Derangement Syndrome donating the milk money to the cause. On deeper reflection they will probably lobby parliament for the necessary funds to be allocated from the Public purse since this is the socialist way.

An alternative does exist. Since the Auckland Council will soon be selling up the Publicwatchdog’s hovel to recover the rates owing perhaps she would like to pledge the residual funds to back McCready’s vendetta. In other words putting her money where her gigantic motorised mouth is.

Other news has come to hand……tomorrow morning a squadron of pigs will practise aerobatics over Waitemata Harbour.
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May 14, 2015 5:30pm
EAD

Confirmation of the obvious :

http://henrymakow.com/2015/05/Fidel-Castro-Worked-for-David-Rockefeller%20.html
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May 14, 2015 5:33pm
Viking2

We can see where all the post fillers come from.
Hardly a post since lunchtime when all the Wellingtonians found out that they were going under water.
They have all gone home from their daily chores of thinking up ways to frustrate the rest of us working and taxpaying residents of NZ.

No doubt they will all need the day off tomorrow.

Still it did rain a bit so feel a bit sorry for them.
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May 14, 2015 5:35pm
Viking2

Ha naaska, those pigs were flying around up here today. the old air force/army copters went round and round the town.

How was the weather your side of the hill?
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May 14, 2015 5:37pm
Griff

Confirmation of the obvious Ead is a conspiracy driven wingnut.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Henry_Makow
Henry Makow

Dr.[1]Henry Makow (born 1949) is what you get when you cross a whiny, Warren Farrellian men’s rights activist with a paranoid, David Ickian conspiracy theorist. In Makow’s warped imagination, the world is being controlled by nefarious Judeo-Masonic/Satanic/Communist forces spearheaded by the Rockefeller Foundation, to which feminism can be attributed as a scheme designed to encourage women not to have children as part of greater depopulation efforts.
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May 14, 2015 5:38pm
nasska

Wet V2 but nothing terrible…..the hill paddocks stayed where they should be & by some miracle the power remained on.

The old cheese works in Masterton & she’s confirmed that things were much the same there.
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May 14, 2015 5:41pm
UglyTruth

Rational wiki is what you get when you cross a bunch of condescending pseudo-intellectuals with an agenda of scientism.
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May 14, 2015 5:41pm
mikenmild

I think I would stack RationalWiki up against your delusional source websites, Ugly.
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May 14, 2015 5:43pm
Harriet

“….The old cheese works in Masterton & she’s confirmed that things were much the same there…..”

What shift? 🙂
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May 14, 2015 5:47pm
nasska

Normal office hours Harriet plus about 90 minutes travelling time. Just enough to ensure that I’m not under constant enforceable supervision. 🙂
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May 14, 2015 5:53pm
UglyTruth

I think I would stack RationalWiki up against your delusional source websites, Ugly.

So you’re happy with a website that removes references to evidence for scientific theories that it doesn’t think are mainstream enough, MM?

Oh, and if you want to challenge my sources then please be specific.
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May 14, 2015 5:55pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

Just enough to ensure that I’m not under constant enforceable supervision.

Have you suggested that she might find working at Kapiti Cheese more enjoyable? The drive would be a bit longer – more than 90 minutes – but the scenery (and the free cheese) would definitely make up for it!
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May 14, 2015 5:57pm
mikenmild

I really can’t be bothered searching back through your comments, Ugly, entertaining as they are. However, just for you, next time I notice you linking to some prime bullshit I shall endeavour to point it out.
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May 14, 2015 5:58pm
UglyTruth

So you’re OK with RationalWiki promoting themselves as being pro-science when they censor material which supports alternative theories, MM?
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May 14, 2015 6:01pm
nasska

Then she might not have time for the cooking & housework Nostra….better to leave things as they are. 🙂
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May 14, 2015 6:02pm
Griff

alternative theories
Is that like in alternative medicine dolt?
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May 14, 2015 6:03pm
Reid

>I think I would stack RationalWiki up against your delusional source websites, Ugly.

In Makow’s warped imagination, the world is being controlled by nefarious Judeo-Masonic/Satanic/Communist forces spearheaded by the Rockefeller Foundation, to which feminism can be attributed as a scheme designed to encourage women not to have children as part of greater depopulation efforts.

I’m not surprised mm.

I’ve always thought you’re the kind of dude who’d really enjoy a world dominated by large angry hairy women dressed in overalls who didn’t like men very much.

I imagine you’d have the time of your life, in such a world, wouldn’t you. Especially when you were naughty and they needed to teach you a “lesson.”
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May 14, 2015 6:03pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

Just a friendly suggestion old chap: go with the Kapiti option and someone in to help out with cooking and housework. As Johnboy might say, if the cooking and housework is up to date, then you might “get lucky” in the hayshed while the wife’s away – and then “get lucky” again when she’s back!
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May 14, 2015 6:05pm
Griff

Reid the opposite of feminism is what you see in the Muslim world.
Yes I like strong intelligent women.
Who wants to spend their time with a simpering fawn that you can not even have an intelligent conversation with.
besides dime
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May 14, 2015 6:09pm
UglyTruth

alternative theories
Is that like in alternative medicine dolt?

My, someone’s a little testy tonight. Nothing to do with being called on your refusal to consider proof of corruption, I assume?

And yes, just like alternative medicine. Take acupuncture for example.
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May 14, 2015 6:10pm
mikenmild

You know acupuncture has no scientific basis beyond the placebo effect, right?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Acupuncture
‘Gateway woo’
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May 14, 2015 6:19pm
stigie

“As Johnboy might say, if the cooking and housework is up to date, then you might “get lucky” in the hayshed while the wife’s away – and then “get lucky” again when she’s back”!

None of the above Nostra, our Johnboy is fairly gifted dont you know. All he needs to do is slip into a pair of his favorite gumboots, head out into the paddock and hes in !~
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May 14, 2015 6:19pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/erxqzmviieuwlle/Sheep%2043.jpg?dl=0
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May 14, 2015 6:22pm
Gulag1917

Interesting interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLuudsvltiOVcL5hldy5eFUrR0b7wCNA9k&t=12&v=wBAtshUsQs8
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May 14, 2015 6:24pm
UglyTruth

You know acupuncture has no scientific basis beyond the placebo effect, right?
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Acupuncture

You know you look like a total spoon for quoting RationalWiki, right?

Acupuncture anesthesia for open heart surgery in contemporary China.
Zhou J1, Chi H, Cheng TO, Chen TY, Wu YY, Zhou WX, Shen WD, Yuan L.

Although the use of acupuncture anesthesia for open heart surgery, which was introduced in China four decades ago, has declined in recent years, there is a renewed interest in it in contemporary China due to the escalating medical costs associated with open heart surgery. This study was aimed to determine whether a combined acupuncture-medicine anesthesia (CAMA) strategy reduces early postoperative morbidity and medical costs in patients undergoing open heart operation under cardiopulmonary bypass.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21570137
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May 14, 2015 6:25pm
mikenmild

There are very few indications that acupuncture has any medical efficacy, and lots to think the reverse. See this for an example:
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/another-overhyped-acupuncture-study-misinterpreted/
But if you want to believe that the flow of chi is causing your illness, who am I to stop you sticking pins in yourself?
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May 14, 2015 6:33pm
Reid

He’s brilliant isn’t he Gulag. Too bad his work would make no sense at all to the people who look at RationalWiki and think it makes sense.

Poor bastards, who’d want to be like them. You might as well be a donkey in the field, you’d know just about as much, if not more. And at least the donkey’s happy, not like them, they seem very angry don’t they, wonder why. Perhaps ignorance isn’t bliss, after all.

See this for an example:

Is that a shapeshifter site mm?

You seem to think they’re all over the place. Is that one of them?
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May 14, 2015 6:34pm
UglyTruth

You think this clown has the first clue about it, MM?

” I tend to speculate that part of the appeal to trying to do research in this area is because acupuncture is among the most popular of actual “alt-med” modalities, as opposed to science-based medical modalities … ”

Acupuncture theory is entirely scientific, it’s just that it relies on an intangible mechanism.

https://nccih.nih.gov/health/acupuncture/introduction

What do we know about the effectiveness of acupuncture?

Research suggests that acupuncture can help manage certain pain conditions, but evidence about its value for other health issues is uncertain.
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May 14, 2015 6:44pm
mikenmild

‘Acupuncture theory is entirely scientific, it’s just that it relies on an intangible mechanism’
In other words, woo. No one can describe any rational basis for its purported efficacy.
Just like homeopathy or chiropractic, it can’t stack up when examined scientifically.
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May 14, 2015 6:53pm
Scott Chris

Yes I like strong intelligent women.

Me too! Maybe even wielding a mink-tipped cat o’ nine tails. 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8nEIiLgETw
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May 14, 2015 6:55pm
Griff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eqmW8lqiEc
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May 14, 2015 6:58pm
UglyTruth

In other words, woo. No one can describe any rational basis for its purported efficacy.

Newton’s theory of gravitation is exactly the same kind of woo.
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May 14, 2015 7:31pm
Griff

Yip dolt
Go find a bridge and jump off if you think gravity is woo.
After landing if its fixed your problem .
Explore Einsteins work that supplanted Newtonian physics some time last century.
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May 14, 2015 7:36pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

NZ Music Month.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nab5CrrgDSk
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May 14, 2015 7:46pm
UglyTruth

Griff, you’re really not in your happy place tonight, are you?
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May 14, 2015 7:47pm
Viking2

nasska (13,101 comments) says:
May 14th, 2015 at 6:02 pm

Then she might not have time for the cooking & housework Nostra….better to leave things as they are. 🙂

you don’t do the cooking then?
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May 14, 2015 7:48pm
Manolo

The religion of peace strikes again: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/13/attack-by-gunmen-on-kabul-hotel-leaves-at-least-one-dead

Gunmen have stormed guesthouse in the Afghan capital, Kabul, killing at least five people including an American as the venue hosted a party for foreigners.

Three attackers armed with AK-47 rifles made their way into the Park Palace guesthouse in the Kolola Pushta neighbourhood a little after 8pm, said Hasib Sadiqi, a spokesman for the intelligence agency, NDS.
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May 14, 2015 7:52pm
Griff

Here Wugly
😆
Griff is H.A. P. P. Y
But arguing with idiots gets tedious.
Did I tell you I think you are an idiot wugly?
I like the way words have texture in meaning.
The right word matters.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dolt
dolt
A person who is stupid and entirely tedious at the same time. Many times they are oblivious to their own mental incapacity.

Now be a good little nutter and go play on another blog for a while.
A long while.
Forever.
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May 14, 2015 8:00pm
nasska

He was doing okay until that fateful day a few years back Griff. The alien spaceship came out of nowhere kidnapping poor old Ugly off the footpath right outside the clinic.

After months of anal probing they switched his brain with that of a goldfish & returned him to Earth in the confused state we see him now.

Be gentle. 🙂
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May 14, 2015 8:14pm
Reid

Looks like Gwiff is W.A.S.T.E.D.

A.G.A.I.N.

No wonder he thinks AGW is weal, despite all the evidence against it.

Apparently mm thinks alien lizard shapeshifters are real too Gwiff. Seen any lately? Maybe you want to swap notes with mm.
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May 14, 2015 8:18pm
sam green

Taxpayers now funding colour schemes at MSD. Really?
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May 14, 2015 8:20pm
Nostradamus

An op-ed by Vernon Small on Andrew Little (Giggle)

In his first six months in the top job Labour leader Andrew Little has been content to work on establishing himself as a credible leader and – he hopes – future prime minister.
…
But now, it seems, Little has set himself a new and if anything more daunting task; match or best John Key on economic credibility.
…
Little has been schmoozing business for some time, starting with his first major speech last year, and earlier this month that was stepped up at a Labour Party party at Parliament. But Little’s first major salvo on the “front economic Key” was delivered on Wednesday in a breakfast speech to Wellington business. It was a full frontal attack on National’s economic management as “recklessly complacent”, citing its “deceptive” promise of a surplus this year, now abandoned.

Good grief – so apparently giving speeches is the best way to show off economic credentials. What a plonker!
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May 14, 2015 8:27pm
sam green

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11448772 This was meant to accompany my above post.
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May 14, 2015 8:28pm
nasska

You don’t think that he might be putting the cart before the horse somewhat Nostra?

From my, admittedly slightly jaundiced, viewpoint “establishing himself as a credible leader ” is still a work in progress. 🙂
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May 14, 2015 8:32pm
Griff

No wonder he thinks AGW is weal, despite all the evidence against it.
Would that be the warmest four months since we could measure it being the last four reid?
How about the fact that last month was the first in 800,000 years the earths atmosphere had 400ppm CO2 in it.
Or the fact that the ice in the western Antarctic has melted at 4 times the rate over the last ten years than it did in the ten years prior.
How about sea level rise doubling in the last twenty five years.
So much evidence pointing to climate pixies
If you believe in them .
Me…. I will stick to physics as my god thanks.
Pixies always get stuck in my teeth.
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May 14, 2015 8:34pm
mikenmild

To be fair to Reid, Griff, he does believe in a range of kooky theories. It should be no surprise that he is a climate ‘skeptic’.
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May 14, 2015 8:38pm
Reid

Yes Nosty,

Shame we don’t appear anymore to have journos capable of performing the duties of the profession they claim to practice, isn’t it.

In other words: did Little’s speech make any sense; yes or no, replete with various astute and penetrating points as befits someone whose paid to research all things economic and politic and summarise his findings to those of us busy with other things, in an objective, pithy and learned way.

No, none of that evident here, in any way.

Possibly if you were someone like this you might find it simply fascinating albeit far too complicated for your limited worldview, but as for the rest of us “normies,” we’re of course left bereft. Of insight, of data, of everything, of any kind, except perhaps sadness, of things past, where men were men and brains were brains.
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May 14, 2015 8:41pm
Johnboy

Jeezes the weather over here in the Nui’s been utter shit. I had to swap my gummies for waders to check out the flock and bugger me I found I couldn’t lift their back legs high enough to put them into the waders. Must either be getting old or this climate change crap is for real! 🙂
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May 14, 2015 8:41pm
Reid

To be fair to Reid, Griff, he does believe in a range of kooky theories. It should be no surprise that he is a climate ‘skeptic’.

Says mm, who hallucinates the world is ruled by lizard shape shifters, as you’ve said many times.

Is that nuts, or what.
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May 14, 2015 8:44pm
Griff

JB
I have some sad news for you
This year the New Zealand wooly bugger flock dropped below 30,000,000
No longer are we a nation where there is ten warm willing and ready greased sheepies for every man woman and child .
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May 14, 2015 8:45pm
mikenmild

Ascribing to me the kinds of kooky things that you believe will not get you very far, Reid. Any regular reader of this blog would be familiar with your conspiracist nonsense.
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May 14, 2015 8:45pm
nasska

They’ve developed a new breed especially for urban Wainuiomartian conditions JB. 🙂

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g8ixe59z1lxkr86/Sheep%2074.JPG?dl=0
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May 14, 2015 8:45pm
Johnboy

I see milkey’s come out of hibernation since the semi-catholics are doing so well….blessed are the papists as they shall inherit the Swindale Shield! 🙂 🙂
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May 14, 2015 8:46pm
Reid

this climate change crap is for real!

No you’re just dreaming John. If AGW was real there wouldn’t be any rain at all and you’d all be crawling round fighting each other for the limited water resources and driving Mad Max type cars with skulls tied to the bonnet.

That’s what the believers hallucinate and apparently, as we now know, that’s not going to be happening anytime soon, so there.

mm’s probably paddling round in his stupid little boat right now, desperately trying to recover the spark plugs from his useless dune buggy which he bought ages ago. In anticipation of that very thing.
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May 14, 2015 8:47pm
mikenmild

You really don’t have the faintest idea about climate change, do you Reid?
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May 14, 2015 8:49pm
Johnboy

We needed the progeny of the one in the middle to help mop up the leaks in the factory today nasska! 🙂
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May 14, 2015 8:50pm
Reid

You really don’t have the faintest idea about climate change, do you Reid?

I’m confident I know more about it than you mm.

Hint.

It doesn’t involve shape shifter lizards.

I know that disappoints and puzzles you, but it really really doesn’t.

See?

I told you I know more about it than you do.

Case closed.
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May 14, 2015 8:54pm
nasska

Funny how conditions such as experienced today focus the mind on gutters & the dodgy bits of the shed roof JB. 🙂
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May 14, 2015 8:54pm
Johnboy

“This year the New Zealand wooly bugger flock dropped below 30,000,000”

So many to bugger such a shortage of buggering equipment Griff! 🙂
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May 14, 2015 8:55pm
mikenmild

I’m sure you know more about those lizard people than you are letting on tonight Reid.
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May 14, 2015 8:56pm
Reid

No you’re the one who keeps talking about them mm so I suggest you come clean and tell us all what you really think. After all, telling the truth after so many years of lies would feel good, I imagine.
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May 14, 2015 8:59pm
Johnboy

One tends to focus on the drains during days like today nasska. If only the council was so focused we would have no problems at all. Still social housing, iwi liaison fees and art galleries have there place I suppose? 🙂
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May 14, 2015 8:59pm
Griff

That’s what the believers hallucinate and apparently, as we now know, that’s not going to be happening anytime soon, so there.

reid have a look at
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/stealing-water-california-drought/46978449
http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/californias-drought/12/

Scary thing is we now have elnino.
This year will make last look cool
Watch the news later this year they will get rain in California
To much rain.
On dry ground heavy rain means massive floods washing away topsoil .

Then there is Brazil.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/earth/11242908/Brazils-worst-drought-in-80-years-from-the-air-in-pictures.html
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May 14, 2015 9:00pm
Johnboy

https://www.youtube.com/user/ElNinnoMc
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May 14, 2015 9:05pm
Johnboy

Very scary Griff! 🙂
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May 14, 2015 9:08pm
Dennis Horne

Dennis Horne (2,927 comments) says: May 14th, 2015 at 10:46 am
The level of CO2 has gone from 270 to 400 ppm, a 40% increase in an important greenhouse gas. The effect of greenhouse gases is well understood.

On the face of it, one would expect some effect on the climate. Those who deny there are questions to answer are anthropogenic climate change deniers, pure and simple.

Down tick here to find out if you are a denier…

Vote: Thumb up 3 Thumb down 11

Well, look at that: 11 proud deniers or crooked thinkers down-ticking a self-evident statement.
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May 14, 2015 9:16pm
Johnboy

Grounding dodgy pilots that can’t employ proper mixture control would do a lot for greenhouse gas emissions! 🙂
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May 14, 2015 9:22pm
Dennis Horne

Ah, ba ba blah from the sheep in sheep’s clothing… 🙂
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May 14, 2015 9:26pm
Johnboy

Not hard to get a bleat out of you Dennis old chap! 🙂
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May 14, 2015 9:28pm
mikenmild

Republicans who think Obama wants to declare martial law in Texas:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/poll-one-third-republicans-think-obama-wants-invade-texas
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May 14, 2015 9:31pm
Dennis Horne

Well look at that: down ticks to a statement, the opposite of which is: a 40% increase in an important greenhouse gas cannot cause a change in the climate.

Unbelievable.
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May 14, 2015 9:33pm
Dennis Horne

Testing. Testing.

1 + 1 = 2
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May 14, 2015 9:38pm
cha

Fifty years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HoxRFOr_sQ0
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May 14, 2015 9:39pm
Griff

Don’t worry Dennis.
Realty always has the last laugh.
You have proven conclusively in the past that most of the punters on here are in the category.
Just enough brains not to eat themselves .
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May 14, 2015 9:40pm
nasska

Dennis flew over the sea.
The engine running roughly.
Up on the sand
He managed to land
Then parked up on his canopy.
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May 14, 2015 9:41pm
Johnboy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjPBp6DOwgU
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May 14, 2015 9:42pm
Johnboy

When Obama invades Texas! 🙂
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May 14, 2015 9:43pm
Dennis Horne

Dennis Horne (2,931 comments) says: May 14th, 2015 at 9:38 pm
Testing. Testing.

1 + 1 = 2

Vote: Thumb up 2 Thumb down 2

Ah, so the down ticks do not reflect validity or reality.
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May 14, 2015 9:54pm
Dennis Horne

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/NkbZlautuUc?rel=0
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May 14, 2015 10:03pm
Keeping Stock

Anyone seen Penny today? She was SO convinced her convicted blackmailer and tax cheat mate McCready had the PM bang to rights today’s District Court decision might have sent her over the edge.

Oh dear; how sad; never mind…
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May 14, 2015 10:26pm
Scott Chris

Testing. Testing.

1 + 1 = 2

Your finest poetry to date Dennis! Very avant garde. Uptick from me 🙂
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May 14, 2015 10:45pm
Shunda barunda

Scary thing is we now have elnino.

Nah, the really scary thing is we have a situation not unlike the early 20th century where the boundaries between science, philosophy, and political ideology have become blurred again.

Always the prerequisite for some good times ahead, depending on if by good times we mean the rise of ideology that gets implemented at a governmental level that leads to a lot of death and suffering.
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May 14, 2015 10:45pm
Left Right and Centre

I’d love to know the unknowable statistics for Wellington workplace attendance for Friday.

I say – take a long weekend.
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May 15, 2015 1:45am
Manolo

The German crook in the news: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2015-05-14/kim-dotcom-assange-will-be-hillary-s-worst-nightmare

Kim Dotcom: Assange Will Be Clinton’s Worst Nightmare.
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May 15, 2015 6:08am
Manolo

Socialism helps the poor, right? http://finance.yahoo.com/news/venezuelan-currency-tanks-inflation-seen-134842633.html

Venezuelan currency tanks; inflation seen near 100%

Over the past couple of years the value of the currency has plummeted against the dollar to its present 300 bolivar level. In 2012, a dollar would get you 10 bolivars, according to unofficial exchange rates. By the time President Nicolas Maduro was inaugurated in April 2013, it was 24 bolivars to the dollar and by this January it was at 173.

This black market rate of 300.72 on Thursday was almost 50 times the official rate set by Venezuela’s hard-line socialist government of 6.3 bolivars to the dollar.
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May 15, 2015 6:30am
Manolo

The MSM in the tank and rooting for the crooked Clintons: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/14/abcs-stephanopoulos-gave-50g-to-clinton-foundation-without-disclosing-it/

ABC News chief anchor George Stephanopoulos never disclosed to his network — or viewers — $50,000 in contributions he made to the Clinton Foundation in recent years, even as he waded into covering Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and foundation controversies.

Stephanopoulos apologised Thursday saying he should have revealed the contributions.
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May 15, 2015 6:58am
stephieboy

Manolo,

‘what’s good for the goose is good for the gander’

Murdoch votes with his cheque book,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/17/AR2010081704338.html
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