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Chuck Bird

Mark Reason: New Zealand is a gay-bashing country
MARK REASON
Last updated 05:00, May 13 2015

The prime minister uses the word gay as a term of disparagement on a radio show and Israel Dagg calls another player a ‘fag’. So what, many of you will say, understandably bored of continually being told what to think by the PC brigade.
Well, careless talk costs lives. Homophobia creates lonely outcasts many of whom commit suicide.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/68475743/mark-reason-new-zealand-is-a-gaybashing-country

What bloody crap. Not long ago Kerre McIvor wrote an article blaming normal men for their higher suicide rate. We now have homosexuals blaming other people for the high rate of homosexual suicide.

These hypocritical liberals make me sick.
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May 13, 2015 8:00am
Dennis Horne

New flag, new anthem

Here we lie, like a sitting duck
Kiwis don’t give a flying fuck
When invaders come to stay
We let them have their way
Gods no longer to defend us
‘Cos them we did cuss
No sense in Americans to call
Drop the ball, kicked them all
No protection under ANZUS
We blew that out our anus
Helen will come with her man
Or perhaps another woman
To be our new president
Rolling in like a rent-a-dent
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May 13, 2015 8:00am
Manolo

The vile religion of peace: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/05/isis-finds-savage-way-to-mutilate-women-caught-breast-feeding-in-public/
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May 13, 2015 8:07am
kowtow

Pollster types might be interested. Seems like another case of ‘Shy Tory” syndrome. Why are people reluctant to appear “intolerant?” Because the media and progressives control the language and the therefore the debate. Not good for democracy.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sleeping-no-vote-awakens-as-polling-day-looms-1.2208681
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May 13, 2015 8:08am
mister nui

Is the party over for the NZD?

If it is, then it’s also over for the housing market…

Craaaaaasssshhhh!!!!!
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May 13, 2015 8:08am
flipper

Not being a Roman Catholic, or a God Botherer I believe I am qualified to judge. Pope Francis says it is OK use spanking to correct child behaviour.

A sound piece of advice. I wonder if his church in NZ will listen.
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May 13, 2015 8:14am
mikenmild

Just another thing that catholics are wrong about, then. Must be a day ending in ‘y’.
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May 13, 2015 8:19am
itstricky

Thank Goodness for that. Here I was, head to the heavens, praying to the merciless man on the moon God who fills our sky with chemicals while I bent the 10 year old over my knee and I thought I was doing something wrong.
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May 13, 2015 8:22am
mandk

@ Chuck Bird

People are pissed off with gays because they are continually bleating about how beastly everyone is to them. They just need to get over themselves and get on with whatever they do in private.

I’m discriminated against because I am a male.

I’m discriminated against because I am white.

I’m discriminated against because I am over 60.

I’m discriminated against because I’m colour blind.

I’m discriminated against because I’m left-handed.

And I face constant abuse because I’m a Christian.

Poor me.
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May 13, 2015 8:23am
mikenmild

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Nice trivialisation of actual discrimination there…
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May 13, 2015 8:25am
itstricky

It’s ironically funny that you actually felt the need to write down all the ways in which you are discriminated against mandk whilst knocking another group for doing the same. You could have just kept quiet. But you didn’t…
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May 13, 2015 8:26am
Simon

pommie rugby journos hate NZ. Wouldnt worry about it.
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May 13, 2015 8:26am
hj

Environmentalism’s Dirty Secret
http://secondnexus.com/ecology-and-sustainability/environmentalisms-dirty-secret/
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May 13, 2015 8:29am
mandk

@ mikenmild

You know nothing, child.

Have you ever failed to get jobs because of your age or race?

I have, for both of those reasons.
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May 13, 2015 8:32am
mikenmild

That would be illegal discrimination then. How about due to your colour-blindness, or was that just you trivialising the issue? Interesting that as a self-proclaimed victim of discrimination you don’t seem to mind it when it is on the basis of sexuality.
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May 13, 2015 8:34am
itstricky

Righteo. Catch all you left handed, white, hetro, smacking Christians later.

Doesn’t quite have the same ring somehow.
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May 13, 2015 8:35am
hj

Now that winter is here you see a new angle to the foreign driver issue and that is people driving Toyota Ravs and Highlanders who don’t know about dipping lights at night. Cars come up behind with headlights on full and I watched one up ahead (long queue behind) which despite signals from oncoming vehicles didn’t once dip his lights.
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May 13, 2015 8:35am
kowtow

This is too good to miss. Especially the opinions of Prof Michelle Grossman ,a cultural diversity researcher.ISIS as a death cult.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/yes_dear_greens_and_herald_journalists_there_really_is_a_death_cult/
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May 13, 2015 8:40am
mandk

@ mikenmild

I am constantly discriminated against because of my colour blindness.

Because I am colour blind, there are certain jobs I am barred from. But more generally, I am denied information provided to non-colour blind people because allowances are not made for me.

For example, I can’t read graphs that most people can read because the colours people use are not distinct enough.

Tell me, what allowances do you make for colour blind people when you create a graph?
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May 13, 2015 8:40am
trout

Any chance of the Government (in the budget) prohibiting tax deductibility of interest against income earned on residential property (to dampen the housing market in Auckland)? They stopped deductibility of building value depreciation with very little push back. And residential property can be easily ring fenced (as in the GST legislation).
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May 13, 2015 8:41am
mikenmild

mandk
Hey, I’m red/green colour blind myself and often have trouble with coloured graphs at work. I’m forever suggesting we just keep things in black and white (cheaper too). I’ve never felt it as an issue of discrimination though. Where do I line up for compensation?
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May 13, 2015 8:43am
Viking2

trout (979 comments) says:
May 13th, 2015 at 8:41 am

Any chance of the Government (in the budget) prohibiting tax deductibility of interest against income earned on residential property (to dampen the housing market in Auckland)? They stopped deductibility of building value depreciation with very little push back. And residential property can be easily ring fenced (as in the GST legislation).
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So you want to house all those people that are currently tenants then.
Clearly you like all boring socialists think that the state should build and own all rental properties. Got enough pocket money?
What a twat.
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May 13, 2015 8:43am
KiwiGreg

You could still see their passport HJ even with their lights on full?
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May 13, 2015 8:44am
oldpark

Biggest deception of a lifetime by Andrew Little, a two bit Trade Union Troublemaker,masquerading as the Leader of the Labour Party. What a fraud.
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May 13, 2015 8:44am
hj

So under PR the UK Independence Party would have 83 seats, instead of one. The SDP would hold 31 seats instead of 56 and the Lib Dems 52 seats instead of eight. And the Conservatives and Labour would have fewer seats – and the Greens 25.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/05/the_uk_result_under_proportional_representation.html

Stephieboy says
The ~~failure~~ success of Nigel Farage and the UKIP is instructive as it unfortunately contained ~~extreme~~ sensible anti multicultural and anti diversity elements . What I call the kowtow, Redbaiter, hj , Manolo , Fletch etc types
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/05/general_debate_9_may_2015.html
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May 13, 2015 8:47am
Pongo

So the genius that strategises for the labour party thought today would be a great time to hide Littles appalling pre budget speech. Prince Harry is in town and the reserve Bank is releasing its widely anticipated financial stability report.

The speech is typically full of hyperbole, greatest deception ever and being 12 months late on a return to surplus !
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May 13, 2015 8:49am
peterwn

Some outfit called Public Health Association is lobbying Wellington City Council to ban smoking in some outdoor places. I looked them up and find much of their money (about half a million/year) comes from Ministry of Health. Surely this money would be better spent on more ops than lobbying. Personally, I think those who smoke are nuts, but I do not go along with some of the over the top antics of the anti smoking (and other anti’s) brigade.

If the Ministry of Health is finding such lobby groups, there would be a good case for Treasury to give the Taxpayers Union half a million a year to lobby for Government savings.
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May 13, 2015 8:53am
mandk

@ mikenmild

You clearly suffer from a condition that limits your ability to do your job.

The fact that your colleagues do not make allowances for you (and the other 8% of the population) amounts to discrimination, and it should be addressed.

It’s different from homosexuality, though, because you can’t practice colour-blindness in private.
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May 13, 2015 8:53am
waikatogirl

Mandk: I am constantly discriminated against because of my colour blindness.

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Yeah, yeah. A lot of us have difficulties in life and others ‘discriminate’ or minimise or are downright nasty about our shortcomings/disabilities, but are they worth complaining about?

Gay people annoy me because they think everyone cares about their sex life. No we dont!

My experience is that nobody really cares if your feelings get hurt so you may as well just suck it up and get on with your own abilities, whatever limitations, perceived or real, that you carry about.

Smile and carry on. Be happy and f*ck whatever anyone else thinks. 🙂
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May 13, 2015 8:54am
IGM

I am sick and tired of hearing from the PC brigade regarding those that choose a decadent, disgusting, and filthy lifestyle, then expect acceptance by the decent members of society. No way, they choose to be sickos, let them take the consequences, and don’t expect any sympathy from me, and don’t expect me to fund drugs to cover the diseases you carry and spread.
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May 13, 2015 8:55am
hj

KiwiGreg (3,384 comments) says:
May 13th, 2015 at 8:44 am

You could still see their passport HJ even with their lights on full?
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No but you see them stop at Tekapo and during the daytime on the yellow line where the original pukaki lookout used to be etc and if you are on a tourist route and a people carriers comes up behind you with it’s lights up it is quite likely they are foreign tourists.
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May 13, 2015 8:56am
mikenmild

mandk
I would not go so far as to call it discrimination. When I explain to people why I prefer a chart, for example, in black and white they are almost always very accommodating. It’s an order of magnitude in difference to the level of vitriol dished out to homosexuals every day, including here at Kiwiblog.
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May 13, 2015 8:57am
mikenmild

IGM
Good luck with withholding part of your taxes lest they be used to provide healthcare for those you despise.
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May 13, 2015 8:59am
Manolo

The minions rebel against the Messiah: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/12/hill-showdown-set-in-trade-battle-between-senate-dems-obama/

President Obama suffered a defeat at the hands of his own party on Tuesday, as Senate Democrats blocked a key component of the president’s trade agenda.

After fierce lobbying on both sides of the issue, the bid to start debate — on expanding the president’s authority to negotiate trade deals — failed on a 52-45 vote. It needed 60 votes to advance.
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May 13, 2015 9:03am
IGM

Hear Gutless Little Andy trying to grease to businesses, being promoted once again, by media, this time Newstalkzb. His knowledge of commerce is confined to effing up businesses on behalf of misled unionists he still indirectly controls. We all know he detests employees, and that is the end of it. He is NZ No. 1 leech, and has never been anything else.
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May 13, 2015 9:05am
kowtow

Hey, I’m red/green colour blind myself

I’ve got the perfect job for you.

Bomb disposal. Which wire?
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May 13, 2015 9:05am
dime

Fags wanted equality. they have it.

part of equality is having people take the piss out of you.

deal with it nancy boys
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May 13, 2015 9:06am
hj

I accept gay as on face value two nuts don’t want to marry two nuts or (vice versa two bolts) unless they want to. It ‘s still a bit of a shock to see one man carry another over the threshold on a property program or hear on Country Calender Bruce talking about his partner Paul ect. It has always gone on eg in the Royal (or any) Navy.
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May 13, 2015 9:07am
Manolo

Try this with Maori in NZ: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102662993

Next month, one Colorado barbecue joint will be running a promotion that has already drawn strong reaction: White Appreciation Day. On June 11, white customers will get 10 percent off the bill at Rubbin’ Buttz BBQ in Milliken, Colorado.
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May 13, 2015 9:21am
hj

I was listening to Chris Laidlaw interviewing a long time prisoner. He talked about a prison riot and while it was on the a group of prisoners engages in an orgy. I’m informed that bull beef farming produces a situation where one bull becomes the bitch? You have to look at the world as it is not as it ought to be: that is the moralistic fallacy. I believe it is the basic flaw of anti racism (multiculturalism) and libertarianism since they believe they live in God’s Great Playpen.
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May 13, 2015 9:22am
jcuk

Nuts and Bolts HJ .. great concept … not heard that one before 🙂
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May 13, 2015 9:26am
kowtow

Saudi King snubs Obummer. Media largely ignore it, we can’t have Obummers’ foreign policy failures highlighted can we?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/05/saudi-absence-camp-david-snub-150511200141109.html
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May 13, 2015 9:30am
James Stephenson

Nuts and Bolts HJ .. great concept … not heard that one before 🙂

Seriously? I can still remember the embarrassed titters in Metalwork as we were introduced to the concept of “male” and “female” threads…
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May 13, 2015 9:32am
oldpark

Smoke Police/Nazis now are trying to put their boot on Wellington Waterfront smokers. The crime of stats say only three per cent of people smoke on Wellington Waterfront. Courtenany Place in Wellington eighteen percent of smokers in that precinct. The smoke Nazis are now making submissions, to the Wellington City Council infested with Green Party councillors. That lot of no fun type of bleeding hearts, will surely fast track the no smoking, or potentially the closure of all Wellington Waterfront bars. Good one Green Party bludgers.
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May 13, 2015 9:35am
calendar girl

The Reserve Bank moves to deal with investor pressures on the Auckland housing market. Why did it take so long, and why nearly 5 months now for the new requirements on investors to take effect?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11447728

“The bank intends in October to introduce new limits on lending to property investors in the Auckland Council area that would require those borrowers to have at least a 30 per cent deposit, it said in its six-monthly financial stability report.”
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May 13, 2015 9:37am
geoff3012

trout (979 comments) says:
May 13th, 2015 at 8:41 am
Any chance of the Government (in the budget) prohibiting tax deductibility of interest against income earned on residential property (to dampen the housing market in Auckland)?

Land lording is a legitimate business i.e. providing housing to those who can’t purchase. There are expenses in going about this business, borrowing is one of them (just like any other business).

The removal of tax deductions for depreciation on building structure was done because the structure usually increases in value.
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May 13, 2015 9:39am
Gulag1917

Deadly Disinformation: War, the Mainstream Media and the Tragic Death of African Refugees
by Julie Lévesque – Global Research, April 28, 2015

“Because most of these refugees come from zones where Western military interventions and arms exports have failed miserably their officially stated purposes and caused only more problems. Like with so many other problems these years, there is a psycho-political denial of the fact that Western militarism is the single most important cause of the problems we are facing.”
(Jan Oberg, Behind Every Refugee Stands an Arms Trader, TFF Associates & Themes Blog, April 28, 2015)
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May 13, 2015 9:40am
Maggy Wassilieff

Three years ago the Ministry of Primary Industries charged some highly respected horticulturalists (Jack Hobbs & Graeme Platt) and private gardeners (The Higgies) with the offence of bringing a new organism (a type of Kauri) illegally into the country.
Back in 2012 everyone told the MPI that the kauri was not a new import; it was just a plant that had undergone a taxonomic (name) change.

Now I see that the MPI have finally dropped their court case against the Higgies
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503426&objectid=11445210
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May 13, 2015 9:48am
Manolo

Mr Wheeler and the Reserve Bank are fighting a losing battle.
The problem is the supply, not the demand side of Auckland housing.
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May 13, 2015 9:52am
Scott

On the subject of Mark Reason’s article on stuff about how we discriminate against gay sportspeople you might like to have a look at the comments. Generally the comments posted online are pretty supportive of gay rights and agree with Mark Reason.

However I would be interested to hear of the experience of others who have tried to post negative comments about gay issues on that website. I find that my comments are never published. I very strongly suspect that commentators like me who consider that homosexuality is a sin just will never have their contributions posted on the stuff website.

So what you are reading is not a cross-section of comments, only comments that are sufficiently politically correct will be published. It’s a shame about free speech though, don’t you think?
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May 13, 2015 9:53am
IGM

Scott: You are spot on, I have a number of colleagues plus myself who have contributed many to “Stuff”, none ever published, maybe the editor is a weirdo!
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May 13, 2015 9:57am
Manolo

Think of Obama against Mayweather:

Politicians know how to take a few punches, but Mitt Romney is really putting that to the test.

The former presidential candidate is training in preparation to take on former world boxing champion Evander Holyfield this Friday, in a charity match projected to raise $1 million for a Utah-based nonprofit.
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May 13, 2015 9:57am
ross411

oldpark (560 comments) says:
May 13th, 2015 at 9:35 am
Smoke Police/Nazis now are trying to put their boot on Wellington Waterfront smokers. The crime of stats say only three per cent of people smoke on Wellington Waterfront. Courtenany Place in Wellington eighteen percent of smokers in that precinct. The smoke Nazis are now making submissions, to the Wellington City Council infested with Green Party councillors. That lot of no fun type of bleeding hearts, will surely fast track the no smoking, or potentially the closure of all Wellington Waterfront bars. Good one Green Party bludgers.

Cry me a river.

I was walking down the road the other day, and I wondered what the stink was. About 10 meters later, I see this guy nonchalantly smoking away. Smokers stink. And they might not be aware of it, but when they smoke outside, they’re shitting in the air for anyone within a reasonable distance. It’s your choice to be a smoker, but not your choice whether I have to wade through your stench.

So you don’t get to indulge yourselves at the expense of passersby? Boo hoo.
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May 13, 2015 10:02am
Gulag1917

96% of Australians who enlisted in the Islamic State were/are on Centrelink benefits.
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May 13, 2015 10:05am
Maggy Wassilieff

If you need a good laugh about bumbling bureaucrats, the final section of this blog provides the back story to the Ministry of Primary Industries raid on the Kauri growers.
http://oldblockwriter.blogspot.co.nz/2014/08/the-not-so-gentlemanly-art-of-naming.html
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May 13, 2015 10:15am
Akaroa

I see there are some comments above which relate to homosexuals and society.

When I was a young lad growing up in Mother England i was taught by family, friends and the wider community that homosexuals were basically evil, and, in most cases, out to de-flower unsuspecting young adolescent boys.

That grounding has stuck with me – even into the age of personal discretion and the ability to make up my own mind about such things.

But I don’t hate homosexuals. They can’t help the hand that they’ve been dealt by nature. But I do intensely dislike and object to homosexual-friendly points of view being shoved in our faces by various media.

If these people – homosexuals I mean – want to do their weird thing together, then go ahead lads. But don’t expect me to cheer you on or to accept your out-of-step, weird and unnatural habits and regard them as normal.

Normal they ain’t, and, although you have as much right as anyone to enjoy your strange lifestyle and the weird hand nature has dealt you, please don’t do it around me or mine!!
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May 13, 2015 10:28am
Tarquin North

I think Mark Reason is suffering from look at me syndrome. Nobody else cares.
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May 13, 2015 10:34am
wiseowl

The problem with Auckland housing is the demand side.
Don’t mention the ‘i’ word.
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May 13, 2015 10:40am
Paulus Gnome

30% deposit for a rental will not pose too much of an obstacle to those investors with equity in other properties
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May 13, 2015 10:42am
Jacob

Obama’s feud with Warren has centered around the TPP’s enforcement mechanism, known as Investor-State Dispute Settlement. The process allows foreign corporations to sue a country over laws or regulations that they believe unfairly threaten their investments.
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… ISDS doesn’t “cause” a change in law only in the narrowest sense. Even third-party countries have curtailed regulations in reaction to ISDS rulings, as New Zealand did with their cigarette packaging law, awaiting the outcome of a dispute between the tobacco industry and Australia (a suit that continues despite an initial victory for Australia).
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May 13, 2015 10:48am
dime

“30% deposit for a rental will not pose too much of an obstacle to those investors with equity in other properties”

Dime is buying a brand new place as we speak.. wont slow me down one bit.

but im a true investor. ill be holding this bad boy for decades 🙂
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May 13, 2015 10:57am
Fletch

So, you color-blind people. I’m just interested: can you view the red/green anaglyph 3D images with the glasses with red/green lenses? I am thinking that since the lenses of the glasses show or hide the colored ink that is actually there, that it should still work? Sorry if I am being personal, I just wondered.
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May 13, 2015 11:00am
mandk

Hi Fletch

I would answer your questions, but I don’t understand them.

Gosh, perhaps I’m obtuse as well as colour-blind 🙂
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May 13, 2015 11:13am
stephieboy

kowtow (9,991 comments) says:
May 13th, 2015 at 8:08 am,

re your paranoid post about the MSM progressive media controlling the debate etc .

You obviously have a big memory hole . Forgotten about , WSJ , Fox, Daily Telegraph, Daily Mail, WND etc you are so often link and refer to ?

Gulag1917 , and of course super innocent Russia and China do not plie their armwares in the Middle East ?
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May 13, 2015 11:35am
James Stephenson

Forgotten about , WSJ , Fox, Daily Telegraph, Daily Mail, WND etc you are so often link and refer to ?

Just taking the UK sector of that to one side, there’s a reasonable balance across daily newspapers, (Sun, Telegraph, Mail vs Guardian, Mirror, Independent) but against the overwhelming pervasive bias of the BBC, the influence is insignificant.
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May 13, 2015 11:49am
Fletch

mandk, ahh well a 3D anaglyph picture looks like this:

https://ubuntulife.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/quo_vadis__3d_anaglyph.jpg

Basically it is the “old” way of doing 3D. The photo consists of two images, each taken from a different camera (one beside the other), or from one camera which is moved between the two shots. So you have an image for each eye. One image is colored red and one blue or green. They are combined into the one photo. When a person wears glasses with one lens colored red and one lens colored green the images are combined in the brain again to form a three-dimensional image. This is because the red lens hides the red ink but sees the blue ink (red is opposite of blue), and the blue lens hides the blue ink but shows the red. So each eye only sees one image.

Hope that is not too complicated.
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May 13, 2015 12:02pm
OneTrack

waikatogirl – “Gay people annoy me because they think everyone cares about their sex life. No we dont!”

But you MUST. If you don’t it will be off to the gulag for re-education.
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May 13, 2015 12:09pm
Fletch

“Gay people annoy me because they think everyone cares about their sex life. No we dont!”

Technically, gay people don’t have a ‘sex’ life, if we’re talking about genital sexual intercourse. It is impossible, of course. They can fool around and do “stuff”, but sexual congress is not possible.
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May 13, 2015 12:12pm
OneTrack

“Good luck with withholding part of your taxes lest they be used to provide healthcare for those you despise.”

And to also provide large ministries full of public servants who swan around all day doing … something.
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May 13, 2015 12:13pm
James Stephenson

Fletch channels the “Clinton defence”…
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May 13, 2015 12:14pm
OneTrack

“The problem with Auckland housing is the demand side.”

The problem with Auckland housing is the supply side. Get the useless ACC out of the way, get some land zoned and stop them trying to play pathetic left-wing games with the government.
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May 13, 2015 12:17pm
OneTrack

stephieboy – “You obviously have a big memory hole . Forgotten about , WSJ , Fox, Daily Telegraph, Daily Mail, WND etc you are so often link and refer to ?”

Got any local NZ examples you can quote?
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May 13, 2015 12:19pm
peterwn

So budding landlords now need a 70% deposit to purchase a property for rental. Presumably the Reserve Bank considers this necessary to reduce risk to the banking system, but if this were really the case it would have applied the limit everywhere, rather than just Auckland. Moreover it would apply the limit to all purchasers, not just investors. It will be interesting to see what the effects are. Firstly, fewer prospective landlords will purchase which will tighten the rental market and start pushing up rents. By normal attrition, some landlords will sell up, but these houses will now be purchased by owner-occupiers and will be lost to the rental market. This will put further upward pressure on rents. Also as these houses are now available to owner-occupiers, there will be a downward trend in house prices (which is what the Reserve Bank etc are wanting) and this will slow down the number of new houses being built. Another effect is a different breed of investor will enter the market who have the 30% deposits but are attracted by the rate of return through higher rentals (IMO a landlord should be making a net return of 12-15% from investment houses, but it is currently far less because of the value gain aspect). All in all there will be a displacement of tenants except for those in state houses or are very needy. With a slowdown in new house construction, the downward trend in prices will level out and house prices could go up as if a can of high octane petrol has been poured on the housing market. If this happens the Reserve Bank will be worrying about the potential instability of owner-occupier loans and will move to dampen these too which would briefly ease values but drive rents up still more.

All in all the Reserve Bank has shifted the problem to the Government.
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May 13, 2015 12:21pm
kowtow

Fletch channels the “Clinton defence”

Cigars?
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May 13, 2015 12:26pm
Lance

@peterwn
Well it might be high time the govt steps and removes the roadblock to more houses being built, the uber arrogant Auckland Council.
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May 13, 2015 12:28pm
mikenmild

You realise, Lance, that it was the present government which touted one council as the solution to all of Auckland’s woes?
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May 13, 2015 12:30pm
OneTrack

“You realise, Lance, that it was the present government which touted one council as the solution to all of Auckland’s woes?”

Yes, we do Mike. And they got it badly wrong. But they probably didn’t even conceive that the city would vote in a spendthrift lefty council with an out of control mayor.
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May 13, 2015 12:39pm
SPC

peterwn, big difference between 30% and 70%.

One would expect that most investors would be making losses on those properties and looking at reducing their tax liability on other income.

One might hope that the government would work to close this loophole.
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May 13, 2015 12:40pm
Colville

peterwn @ 12.21

You need to insert a handful of coulds, mights, possiblys, and hopefullys in there.

I dont see any evidence that the LVR changing to 30% will stop the $1000 per week capital gain currently being achieved in the Auckland market. IMO there is zero chance of prices dropping as you claim.

Any wannabe investor with another property will just crank up with an aggressive valuation. Valuers know how to milk that scenario well, they were the real bandits in 2000 – 2008 bubble.
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May 13, 2015 12:44pm
SPC

As to the mix of the RB policy. It is common overseas for banks to bring in a higher deposit requirement for investors. China had their one at 40%.

It was a mistake for there to have been a period where there was a 20% deposit for first home buyers but none for multiple property investors, this move ends that.

It’s also about time the RB noted the duality of the housing market, a boom centred around Auckland, whilst values were not rising nationwide. The risk to the banking sector comes from bubbles and action to constrain one is only needed in the Auckland market.

So easing the risky loans constraint in the wider New Zealand lending market makes sense.

peterwn, every home bought by a new resident home owner is one less family to be housed in rentals.
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May 13, 2015 12:53pm
Michael

The only reason I read Mark Reason is to check out how many of the comments he has made I disagree with.
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May 13, 2015 1:19pm
Michael

Maybe a higher deposit on houses being bought by investors is a good idea. I read that one third on the loans being made by banks on houses are made to investors.
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May 13, 2015 1:23pm
Colville

Michael.
Mark Reason is a clickbait troll.
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May 13, 2015 1:47pm
Paulus

In times gone by a Bank charged a higher interest rate for a second/more purchase, and the amount of deposit was calculated by the Bank Manager according to his judgement, with higher approval and sign off.
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May 13, 2015 2:13pm
Manolo

An incredibly savage tyrant: http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/north-korea-executes-defense-chief-on-treason-charges-report/ar-BBjH1Si?ocid=mailsignoutmd

North Korea has executed its defense chief on treason charges after he fell asleep at an event attended by leader Kim Jong Un, South Korean media quoted Seoul’s National Intelligence Service as saying in a briefing to lawmakers on Wednesday.

North Korean Defense Minister Hyon Yong Chol was purged and then executed by firing squad, media reported. Hyon was said to have shown disrespect to Kim by dozing off at a military event, the reports said, citing the South Korean intelligence agency’s briefing with lawmakers.
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May 13, 2015 3:37pm
ciaron

Manolo,
On Yahoo news, South Korea Claims the defense minister was executed with anti aircraft fire :0
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May 13, 2015 3:41pm
Manolo

Does stephieboy feel insulted by his idol? http://observer.com/2015/05/obama-hurls-insults-at-liberals-on-trade/

President Obama’s performance in pushing for approval of fast track legislation of the Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal, in which he’s allied with Republicans and has spent the last week castigating and insulting liberal Democrats, has been one of the most bizarre and ill-advised performances of his presidency.

Mr. Obama and his White House staff have repeated a string of personal insults directed against prominent liberal Democrats in Congress, liberal Democrats across the nation, organised labor, and leading public interest and environmental groups who share doubts about the TPP trade deal.
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May 13, 2015 3:43pm
wellygirl

Ciaron,

There were some satellite photos released a week or two ago I think, showing what they believed to have been an execution using anti aircraft guns – possibly this guys execution? There apparently appeared to be several people facing the firing squad, so I will not be surprised if we hear about one or two others executed in the same manner.

Kim Jong Un is a nutcase in my not so professional opinion.
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May 13, 2015 3:53pm
wikiriwhis business

Senate votes against fast-tracking TPP

Breaking news

Lawmakers in the United States Senate have thrown a wrench in a plan that would have given President Barack Obama “fast track” authority to advance a 12-nation trade deal between the US and Pacific Ring partners.

In a 52-45 vote on Tuesday afternoon, the Senate opposed moving forward for now on the Trans-Pacific Partnership. A procedural vote required at least 60 “ayes” in order to let the Senate host discussions on whether or not to give the president so-called “fast track” authority on the matter. Failure to reach that threshold puts the future of the trade agreement in jeopardy.

http://rt.com/usa/257981-tpp-senate-domocrats-vote/

Woohoooooooooooooo. Safer for democracy and safer from Kiwibloggers and National Socialists.

For a while longer anyway and the forseeable future
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May 13, 2015 4:50pm
Shunda barunda

Cry me a river.

I was walking down the road the other day, and I wondered what the stink was. About 10 meters later, I see this guy nonchalantly smoking away.

Nonchalantly? what an arrogant prick, just smoking minding his own damned business out in the open? and only 10 meters away? what an outrage!

Smokers stink.

So? maybe people don’t like your deodorant.

And they might not be aware of it, but when they smoke outside, they’re shitting in the air for anyone within a reasonable distance.

Smokers can shit in the air? wow, that is quite a skill.

It’s your choice to be a smoker, but not your choice whether I have to wade through your stench.

The guy had a gun too?

So you don’t get to indulge yourselves at the expense of passersby? Boo hoo.

It’s wonderful to have a scapegoat to hate on isn’t it, you can be an ignorant, intolerant bully and no one can call you on it because, well, smokers are the devil, everyone knows that!
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May 13, 2015 5:32pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3sdj077k2zceuwn/Perspective.png?dl=0
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May 13, 2015 5:41pm
wikiriwhis business

Janice van den Bemd

The Trans Pacific and the Trans Altantic Partnerships are part of the globalisation which is not intended to benefit citizens but to further globalise the corporate power that is already poisoning us through the drug companies and food industries and making us bankrupt through the private banking systems, finally doing away with cash so the public looses all rights to their own money and property. This is a creeping tyranny by all governments at their most corrupt…yet we still vote for the crooks. Why are people so slow to wake up to all the scams and fraud that is being perpetrated left right and centre? Is it because we have been drugged to the eyeballs with vaccines, medical drugs, chemicalised food and years of neurotoxic fluoride and aluminium in the food and water supply? For goodness sake, wake up everyone and let your voice be heard!! Try, at least, to get out of the habit of complying with everything the government, through the education system, attemps to indoctrinate you with…they are all Nazi/Fascist tactics. Make no mistake, with more than 50 years of an official depopulation Agenda 21 by the UN and the WHO, one can be sure that our State wants us dead and gone. They even say so, by claiming that the new generation will not outlive the present one. They must know something they are not telling us… like having planned the global extermination a long time ago. Bill Gates and his wife know all about it. He says ‘if we do a good job with vaccines we will be able to reduce the world population by one to two billion!!’ He is a murderer, not a humanitarian. The Democrats have managed to block the TPP agreement for now…but not for long!
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May 13, 2015 5:42pm
mikenmild

‘Is it because we have been drugged to the eyeballs with vaccines, medical drugs, chemicalised food and years of neurotoxic fluoride and aluminium in the food and water supply?’
No.
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May 13, 2015 5:44pm
nasska

“No” ?

We have a sceptic in our midst. 🙂
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May 13, 2015 5:55pm
Griff

You forgot the chem trails wikiriwhis b
Cant be a real moon bat without mentioning chem trails.
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May 13, 2015 5:57pm
wikiriwhis business

Pulitzer Prize winner, Seymour Hersh, calls out the establishment’s press for being “pathetic, more than obsequious, they are afraid to pick on [Obama]“. We revisit the lies of the Obama raid, the rewards for top brass that sold it, and the death shortly afterward of 20 SEALs who were there.

http://www.infowars.com/alice-in-wonderland-bin-laden-story-is-one-big-lie/
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May 13, 2015 6:05pm
wikiriwhis business

Bin Laden report ‘full of lies,’ says former SEAL

The former Navy SEAL who says he killed Osama bin Laden is slamming a new report that challenges the White House’s account of the mission, calling it “garbage.”

“The story that I read, the part from [Seymour] Hersh, was full of lies,” Rob O’Neill said on Fox News’s “Shepard Smith Reporting.”

“It took me a long time to read it because I had to put it down — I couldn’t read the nonsense.”

Hersh on Sunday published in story in the London Review of Books that says Pakistani intelligence officers played a significant role in the bin Laden operation, despite the White House’s assertion that the mission was undertaken without their knowledge.

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/241661-bin-laden-report-full-of-lies-says-former-navy-seal
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May 13, 2015 6:09pm
mikenmild

Hey, wiki, we’ve got a special whole thread for the Hersh nonsense.
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May 13, 2015 6:09pm
ex-golfer

Corrin Dann lecturing us again tonight.
Just when did reporters morph into lecturers?
I yearn for the day when journalists/reporters return to their roots and report the news rather than attempt to be the news.
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May 13, 2015 6:16pm
Griff

What really amazes me about the resident cranks is their world views often contain contradictory thoughts.
It almost as if their thought process is not a rational construct but consist of separate threads that they do not allow to interact.
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