General Debate 9 April 2015

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OneTrack

“David Letterman’s top ten muddled moments for GWB,”

At least GWB didn’t facilitate nuclear proliferation in the Middle-East.
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April 9, 2015 2:04pm
hj

White cop shoots person of colour in back.
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It is assumed that black antagonism to police is due to harsh treatment, but how much of it is to do with ethnic identity in group/out group? The left have a theory that racism is only possible if power is involved.

Zero hour contracts.
The left have a fantasy that Unite will mop up the poor conditions for service and food workers while promoting a borderless world (World Socialism) but like water finding it’s own level market conditions will prevail.
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April 9, 2015 2:06pm
kowtow

Just out of interest, kowtow, as you are so critical of the media coverage, how do you think they should be “framing” this? (Serious question).

Serious answer.

There is no way in the world that the death of one male (who has a history of violence and parental neglect) in the USA ,albeit at the hands of a police officer merits the coverage it is getting.Internationally. As I said TVNZ led its mid day news with this relatively inconsequential episode.

I suspect it is because it fits the current pogressive media narrative following the lead of the racist WH that white Americans are racists who have plantation mentality. The fact that there’s footage is even better.

Let’s recall for a moment the assasination of an anti Assad cleric in London, the ongoing civil wars in Yemen,Libya,Syria,ongoing terrorism in Kenya,Egypt, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia etc
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April 9, 2015 2:08pm
Manolo

Ed is nuts. How much this Labour policy would cost the UK? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/11523604/Ed-Milibands-non-dom-crackdown-is-cataclysmic.html

Tens of thousands of entrepreneurs and business leaders will leave Britain because of Labour’s “cataclysmic” plans to scrap the “non-dom” tax status, experts have warned.

Leading tax barristers warned that 30,000 of Britain’s 115,000 foreign investors could leave Britain in the wake of Ed Miliband’s announcement that a Labour government would abolish the tax rules surrounding non-doms.

Mr Miliband claimed that the party will raise “at least” hundreds of millions by abolishing the rules, which he described as “the right thing to do”.
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April 9, 2015 2:12pm
SGA

kowtow at 2:08 pm

There is no way in the world that the death of one male (who has a history of violence and parental neglect) in the USA ,albeit at the hands of a police officer merits the coverage it is getting.

I suspect that the extent of its coverage is, in part, because someone’s managed to get the disturbing incident on video – it’s media friendly in that sense.
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April 9, 2015 2:13pm
rightoverlabour

kowtow makes a valid point. One guy with a possibly dodgy past? gets shot and the media erupt. Anyone remember the 147 murdered by the religion of peace in Kenya? Forgotten as 147 students were not caught on video tape and were not shot by whites. The MSM are not reporting the news but manipulating events to suite an agenda. Thank God for the internet and blogs.
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April 9, 2015 2:13pm
Kimbo

@ kowtow

Serious answer.

There is no way in the world that the death of one male (who has a history of violence and parental neglect) in the USA ,albeit at the hands of a police officer merits the coverage it is getting.Internationally. As I said TVNZ led its mid day news with this relatively inconsequential episode.

I suspect it is because it fits the current pogressive media narrative following the lead of the racist WH that white Americans are racists who have plantation mentality. The fact that there’s footage is even better.

Let’s recall for a moment the assasination of an anti Assad cleric in London, the ongoing civil wars in Yemen,Libya,Syria,ongoing terrorism in Kenya,Egypt, Nigeria and Saudi Arabia etc

Fair enough. But most of what airs as news doesn’t merit it. Earlier this week I think the 3rd top item on TV3 6pm news was Dan Carter’s new baby, and 4th was Prince Harry in Aussie. Was just after the Easter break so was a mini-silly season before they had any politicians to quote, and before the MPs wives “travel scandal” (which is crap, too, IMHO).

But I dispute you have enough facts to say that Scott had “a history of violence”. This may very well turn out to be an awful case of police brutality. But given the incendiary nature of this sort of reporting going right back to Rodney King your concern is probably fair enough. Or even the Martin Luther King assassination in 1968 and the subsequent and resulting inner city riots and looting in black districts primarily by black people.

And the implication that the police in America, especially the deep South are no different from the unreformed days of Jim Crow, when police used alsatians and fire hoses on small black school kids is palpably false.

But I’m not sure I’d feel safe with cops walking around with guns, and being seemingly quick to use them. But then that may be a result of their gun freedoms and culture which the cops have to work within.
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April 9, 2015 2:17pm
Manolo

Lets hope the jury send him to meet his paedophile prophet:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/08/boston-marathon-bombing-jury-deliberation/25451777/

Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was found guilty Wednesday on all 30 federal counts in the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing case and faces a possible death sentence.
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April 9, 2015 2:18pm
mara

All I know is, that if the Cop gets anything less than conviction for 1st % murder, race riots are going to be epic.
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April 9, 2015 2:27pm
Ed Snack

Let’s use Cha’s logic on the situation with this shooting. Blacks, who like Michael Brown, steal from stores then attack cops and try to kill them. If that isn’t criminal behaviour, what is ? Doesn’t work that well does it, so why the attempt to smear all of South Carolina for the fatal misdeeds of one cop.

That policeman has already been arrested, possibly a little panicky reaction, but according to the standard police “rules of engagement” he had the right to use deadly force if he thought he was in danger of his life (to paraphrase); and shooting a fleeing person in the back 8 times plainly does not meet those rules. It really doesn’t matter what happened before the video starts, to shoot and kill as he did that policeman is going to be charged with murder. And on the face of it he should be, and should unless some extremely exculpatory evidence arises, he should be found guilty.

It doesn’t matter that the dead person was a bit of a dead-beat (by the sound of it) and had a string of arrests on child support grounds, he was shot dead in a circumstance where he almost certainly should not have been. And “racist back to the plantation mentality” or not, he’s been promptly arrested and will be charged. Getting him convicted may be harder and may indeed be the true test, but we’ll have to wait for that and wait for the evidence as well.

And Stephieboy, is the only response to the exposure of more rank incompetence on the part of the current administration really a “Letterman laughs at George Bush’s speech difficulties ?” GWB may have had difficulties clearly expressing himself at times, probably (just IMHO) a form of aphasia, but at least when he opened his mouth people didn’t automatically assume that he was lying as they do with the current incumbent. I wonder how long it will be as this Iran deal unravels before we are informed that this is all a complete surprise to the President as he only just read about it in the paper and he’s as surprised as the rest of us at just how bad this really is.
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April 9, 2015 2:34pm
kowtow

All over the world cops shoot suspects ,in many cases probably not entirely justified. It’s a fact of life. But in the US if its a white cop and ablack suspect the media make it out to be racist. Too simplistic.

I’d like to see some figures on how many blacks have been shot by black policmen. It’s bound to have happened, but we are never treated to this by our progressive media.

Talking of race riots following jury acquittals ,they don’t spend much time on the sheer unimaginable violence meted out by blacks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMP6bXnXdZM
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April 9, 2015 2:35pm
Manolo

Talking of race riots following jury acquittals ,they don’t spend much time on the sheer unimaginable violence meted out by blacks.

Oh no, they are incapable of that, says stephieboy while clutching his copy of the Quran.
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April 9, 2015 2:40pm
SGA

kowtow at 2:35 pm

All over the world cops shoot suspects ,in many cases probably not entirely justified. It’s a fact of life.

Not often, however, is it captured so clearly on video.
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April 9, 2015 2:40pm
stephieboy

one track, in what way has the Obama adminiistration facilitated nuclear proliferation in the ME ?I take it you’ve studied in sime depth the agreement reached between Tehran and Washington ?

kowtow , unlike MSM Radio NZ your quite happy to make assumptions and jump to conclusions regarding who was responsible for the eight bullets in the back ?

Manolo, and to think you could be a potential US precinct police target based on the colour of your skin .

Hmmmm….!
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April 9, 2015 2:40pm
rightoverlabour

My initial reaction is execute the Boston Bomber. However, sentence him to death and then play out a long game of psychological torture with a bit of seriously hard labor thrown in. A quick, “humane” execution is too good for jihadists. Let their brothers see that if they cause shit they will suffer inhumane suffering for a very long time and then kill the bastards, slowly, and painfully. Google the Medieval Torture museum in Sam Gimignano, Italy http://www.corkscrew-balloon.com/misc/torture/ It has some great exhibits as well as a description of how the body was affected by the various methods. A revival of some of these may temper the enthusiasm of wanna bee martyrs.
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April 9, 2015 2:43pm
backster

If all he was stopped for was a broken tail light why did Scott not accept the ticket He could have then drove off and pleased himself whether he paid the ticket or not. Perhaps the cop found him to be wanted for an indictable offence murder? rape? holdup? or the car was stolen. Had Scott a previous conviction list if so what for?. Until full facts of what preceded the event are known it is unwise to make a judgement.
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April 9, 2015 2:45pm
SGA

@backster at 2:45 pm
You’ll be able to find the answers to those questions by reading news articles already available. (Mostly the answer is “no” from what I can tell).
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April 9, 2015 2:48pm
Scott Chris

Seems more likely Scott was fleeing because of the arrest warrants for unpaid child support.

Or because some redneck had just tried to taser him.
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April 9, 2015 3:14pm
SGA

mara at 2:27 pm

All I know is, that if the Cop gets anything less than conviction for 1st % murder, race riots are going to be epic.

South Carolina, unlike other jurisdictions, does not have degrees of murder. South Carolina recognizes:
Murder- The unlawful killing of another with malice
Manslaughter- The intentional killing without malice
Involuntary Manslaughter- Unintentional killing without malice
(kowtow, in this state, he might be able to make a case for manslaughter – not sure what qualifies as “malice”)
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April 9, 2015 3:17pm
wikiriwhis business

Nice prediction and hopefully true if we do indeed have a 10+ year future in current terms.

10 Years from now doing QE and manipulating interest rates, fractional reserve lending will be a Capital punishment (pardon the pun). It’s a zero sum game, we either default on the debt (which would be painful in short term but healthy in long term assuming all the bankers are locked up and imprisoned for their unlawful acts eg Iceland being an example). In order to keep the ponzi scheme going, debt has to be created at exponential rate. We are at the hockey stick point, and still the Central Bankers and Politicians “Pretend and Extend”…The writing is on the wall, so I would advise for people to prepare for the coming fall out as a consequence of this debt creation madness!
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April 9, 2015 3:17pm
Kimbo

@ Scott Chris

Or because some redneck had just tried to taser him.

Maybe.

But if you are a cop on your own, it seems pretty risky to go around escalating situations like utilising a taser on a driver pulled over for nothing more than a broken tail light…unless something else occurred that inflamed the situation.
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April 9, 2015 3:19pm
wikiriwhis business

“Dime drove past a cop at easter doing about 108km/h (forgot about the no tolerance bs). ”

There was no zero tolerance over Easter. The cops were embarrassed away from it because of all the deaths it caused over Christmas. Zero Tolerance was certainly not promoted in any way shape or form over Easter.
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April 9, 2015 3:22pm
Scott Chris

But if you are a cop on your own, it seems pretty risky to go around escalating situations like utilising a taser on a driver pulled over for nothing more than a broken tail light…unless something else occurred that inflamed the situation.

Yes, but as you pointed out earlier in the thread, the kind of guy that’s willing to shoot an unarmed guy in the back probably won’t be averse to practising risky behaviour.
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April 9, 2015 3:26pm
Kimbo

@ kowtow

All over the world cops shoot suspects ,in many cases probably not entirely justified. It’s a fact of life. But in the US if its a white cop and ablack suspect the media make it out to be racist. Too simplistic.

Take a step back, and look at this again, kowtow.

It is not just because the suspect was black and the officer was white.

It is because the evidence thus far is damning. Yes, there may indeed be other evidence to come (or maybe that “evidence” will be nothing more than a defense attorney muddying the waters. or maybe not).

But nonetheless, as SGA posted at 2:13, here is video coverage of a man, irrespective of his colour, shot in the back by a cop (irrespective of his colour) while fleeing from him, so there is unlikely to be any justifiable force.

I don’t know what public accountability you want the police held to via the media…but I’d suggest if this is not a good example of just such a need…nothing is.

Whatever is “racist” here is probably a matter of the viewer’s perception. But I’m struggling to see how the media reports are leading with that. Instead thus far they seem to be reporting…facts.

Isn’t that their job, no matter what you or I think about or disagree with perceived agendas?

Put it this way – what falsehoods have they tried to pass off as fact?
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April 9, 2015 3:29pm
kowtow

SGA

“Murder” is the killing of any person with malice aforethought, either express or implied.

That’s the SC definition. I’m no lawyer but I’m going to say he’ll get off murder and should be guilty of manslaughter.Why. He did not have premeditiated intention to kill Scott,ie the malice aforethought. The killing was the result of a very unfortunate altercation arising from Scotts duty. he initially tried to arrest without force, was resisted, tried to use taser. None of those actions show a malicious intent to kill . Scott runs ,gets shot .Duty, heat of the moment, poor judgement led to the shooting.Manslaughter, not murder .
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April 9, 2015 3:30pm
SGA

@kowtow
I had looked up “malice aforethought” (wiki). It is not so clear –

In most common law jurisdictions, the American Law Institute’s Model Penal Code, and in the various U.S. state statutes which have codified homicide definitions, the term has been abandoned, or substantially revised. The four states of mind that are now recognized as constituting “malice aforethought” in murder prosecutions are as follows:
Intent to kill,
Intent to inflict grievous bodily harm short of death,
Reckless indifference to an unjustifiably high risk to human life (sometimes described as an “abandoned and malignant heart”), or
Intent to commit a dangerous felony (the “felony murder” doctrine).
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April 9, 2015 3:35pm
Manolo

The Frogs need this like a hole in the head:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11518106/Demand-for-more-mosques-in-France-raises-tension.html

A call by Muslim leaders for the number of mosques in France to be doubled has aggravated community tensions barely three months after the Charlie Hebdo attacks.

“We have 2,200 mosques and we need double that within two years,” the Rector of the Grand Mosque of Paris, Dalil Boubakeur, told applauding French Muslims at a conference.
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April 9, 2015 3:40pm
Kimbo

@ rightoverlabour

A quick, “humane” execution is too good for jihadists. Let their brothers see that if they cause shit they will suffer inhumane suffering for a very long time and then kill the bastards, slowly, and painfully.

Even though a whole bunch of activist lawyers continually and IMHO frivolously petition US courts in capital cases especially opposing execution by lethal injection…I’d suggest the framers of the US Constitution specifically had suggestions such as yours in mind when they prohibited “cruel and unusual punishments”. Bloody academics!
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April 9, 2015 3:40pm
Kimbo

@ kowtow

Talking of race riots following jury acquittals ,they don’t spend much time on the sheer unimaginable violence meted out by blacks.

As the video clip you posted is so notorious and well-known, doesn’t that contradict your assertion?
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April 9, 2015 3:43pm
Kimbo

@ Scott Chris

But if you are a cop on your own, it seems pretty risky to go around escalating situations like utilising a taser on a driver pulled over for nothing more than a broken tail light…unless something else occurred that inflamed the situation.

Yes, but as you pointed out earlier in the thread, the kind of guy that’s willing to shoot an unarmed guy in the back probably won’t be averse to practising risky behaviour.

Yes, hard not to see a prosecutor coming with that angle if it gets that far…

But as kowtow suggested, I’m trying to keep an open mind until all the relevant evidence is in – even though, judging bu his own posts, I’m not sure kowtow takes his own advice 😉
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April 9, 2015 3:47pm
Gulag1917

What percentage of US police officers are ex-military?
In my experience, about half. Many are still active in the reserves or National Guard.
Tim Dees, Retired cop and criminal justice professor
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April 9, 2015 3:57pm
Kimbo

@ kowtow

“Murder” is the killing of any person with malice aforethought, either express or implied.

That’s the SC definition. I’m no lawyer but I’m going to say he’ll get off murder and should be guilty of manslaughter.Why. He did not have premeditiated intention to kill Scott,ie the malice aforethought. The killing was the result of a very unfortunate altercation arising from Scotts duty. he initially tried to arrest without force, was resisted, tried to use taser. None of those actions show a malicious intent to kill . Scott runs ,gets shot .Duty, heat of the moment, poor judgement led to the shooting.Manslaughter, not murder .

Hmmm.

Not sure the gap between

“…Scott runs ,gets shot…”

..is quite as orderly and straightforward as you suggest. Because that is the crucial point when a critical decision was made. You seem just a wee bit too blasé to the possibility that at the decisive moment Slager’s motive was untainted by malice. Perhaps if you focus more on the facts (Scott was running away and was shot in the back), and less on the “media agenda” and their alleged failure to report black-on-white violence, that possibility may manifest itself more clearly…

Just saying…
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April 9, 2015 3:57pm
Kimbo

@ kowtow

…Manslaughter, not murder .

Although as you would think it would be difficult to prove intent to kill beyond reasonable doubt you may well be right.
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April 9, 2015 4:07pm
Manolo

Go Rand Paul: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-first-official-day-on-the-trail-rand-paul-turns-a-prickly-performance/2015/04/08/2be3a326-de35-11e4-a1b8-2ed88bc190d2_story.html
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April 9, 2015 4:09pm
Manolo

The photograph says it all: http://truebluenz.com/2015/04/09/helen-clark-still-rules/
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April 9, 2015 4:33pm
stephieboy

Manolo, isn’t Rand Paul the son of that loon Ron thingy ?
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April 9, 2015 4:39pm
IGM

Sad to hear Campbell Live is getting the axe. Yeh Right! About time Media Works realised the damage this greasy little wimp is doing to their product. Have heard Mazda have finally realised he is doing their product no good either; so now he will be able to get his left-wing backers to stump up a car and salary equal to what he has been taking home!
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April 9, 2015 4:55pm
Yvette

Manolo
That photo of Clark, with very much less hair to distract you, when compared to what you get Googling IMAGES “Phil Goff”
is rather frightening.
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April 9, 2015 5:28pm
doggone7

IGM (@ 4:55 pm For a “greasy little wimp” Campbell or his programme has achieved a lot for people and groups through the country.

As a comparison of a positive contribution to the society your dismal daily diatribes relate a sad, sad story.
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April 9, 2015 5:40pm
nasska

Yvette

In days gone by parents would have used pictures of Clark to frighten small children into obedience:

“If you don’t eat up your broccoli Aunty Helen will strap you to her broomstick & carry you off to her cauldron in the Black Forest”.
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April 9, 2015 5:44pm
kowtow

kimbo

There was a struggle , there is a suggestion that Scott was on the ground ,was the cop. How did they get to the park from the car,Did Scott resist.

These questions have not been addressed by the lynch mob.

I’m saying this was a heat of the moment shooting arising from a violent ( relatively moderate) confrontation. It was not premeditated. In his defence and as I’ve said already the cop had already tried to use a lower degree of force ,the taser, initially.This doesn’t say to me ;Out of control ,loon ,white supremacist who gets off indiscriminatly shooting black men”

If that was his intentio he would have just shot the guy in the first place instead of trying the taser.

BTW on RNZ this pm someone suggested that handcuffing the dead guy was an act of domination. WTF? There’s no getting away from th race theme here.And the media are fixated with it.

Over on the other post on this PaulL has said black cops disproprtionaltly shoot black men. I’d like to see the figures on this as if it is true proves the media are beating up the race thing when white cops shoot blacks.And the White House and the Justice Dept and the FBI.
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April 9, 2015 5:51pm
cricko

Manolo @ 3.40

Every western country that imports muslims will have to pay the price eventually, and it will be a high price.

No exceptions, no excuses.

The Frogs are no different, nor are we.

And yet, inexplicably, given the self evident truth of those statements we continue to import more
of them every day.

Can anyone explain why that is ?
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April 9, 2015 6:01pm
cha

I’d like to see the figures on this

Fat chance.
//

The analysis estimates that the Arrest-Related Deaths (ARD) program covers only 34-49% of these deaths. A parallel program by the FBI (the Supplementary Homicide Reports, SHR) is estimated to cover approximately the same proportion of deaths. Even taking into consideration both programs, 28% of all police homicides remain unreported.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ardpatr.pdf
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April 9, 2015 6:04pm
Reid

…a microaggression is something that college students learn about because science and history are too boring. It is, according to Wikipedia, a theory that ‘describes social exchanges in which a member of a dominant culture [or gender] says or does something that belittles and alienates a member of a marginalized group.’

Wait a minute, you might think. Isn’t that just a regular aggression? Don’t we already know that you shouldn’t insult and alienate people? Why do we need a new word for it?

Well, we need a new word because the old words describe things that are objectively and explicitly offensive. Microaggressions, on the other hand, are things that are only offensive because some member of an approved victim group declared it so.

…as taught by the deranged social theory promoted by nearly every public university in America, a microaggression happens when White Guy B approaches a Chinese person and says, “Hi, where are you from?” or “Hello, I’m interested in your culture. What language do they speak in your country of origin?”

Non-liberals would find those comments to be utterly innocuous, even friendly, but liberals have decided that White Guy B and White Guy A are identical, and their words and actions can be interpreted the same.

A microaggression, in other words, is what happens when someone says something inoffensive but the listener chooses to be offended by it anyway. Microaggressions are closely related to micro-inequities, which is when minorities, gays, and women are ‘overlooked’ or ‘singled out’ by a ‘gesture’ or a ‘tone of voice’ that manifests a ‘deeply rooted and unconscious’ bias.

The great thing about the ‘unconscious bias’ shtick is that it allows someone to infer offensive meanings in what you say, while preventing you from defending yourself by assuming that you don’t actually know what you mean or how you feel. In the bizarre world of contemporary progressivism, only the Offended Person can tell you how you really feel, even if it isn’t how you feel. Essentially, you feel however the Offended Person feels you feel….

https://youtu.be/XjmUgjWle5w

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-04-07/most-whiney-thin-skinned-easily-offended-society-history-world
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April 9, 2015 6:08pm
Inandout

mara: No, they will go riot shopping whatever the reason.
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April 9, 2015 6:16pm
stigie

“In days gone by parents would have used pictures of Clark to frighten small children into obedience”:

Used to frighten the shit out of adults as well Nasska and the latest pictures are not for the faint hearted !~
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April 9, 2015 6:22pm
Inandout

So Campbell Live is to be replaced by a fun show.

‘So bye bye poor old Campbell Live
Drove your Lefties to the levee, but the levee was dry
And them good ol Henry boys were drinkin’ whiskey in Rye
Singin’ “This’ll be the day that he dies
This’ll be the day that he dies”
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April 9, 2015 6:23pm
big bruv

It looks like comrade Campbell might be on the hunt for a new job. That is great news.
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April 9, 2015 6:23pm
SPC

Microaggression is saying that religion is not evidence based and those of faith taking offence at the hostility demonstrated.
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April 9, 2015 6:25pm
stigie

Looks like Mazda sales might start picking up soon !!
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April 9, 2015 6:31pm
Reid

A microaggression is when someone uses the impersonal possessive pronoun as a possessive and not a conjunctive when there’s NO SUBJECT.

Oooooh that makes me so mad.

WTF are they thinking?

Don’t they know anything?

How can they be so stoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooopid?

And ya just know they’re doing it on purpose, don’t ya.

Of course they are.
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April 9, 2015 6:32pm
Longknives

Campbell should have been sacked when he got caught paying actors to pretend to be ‘news’ on his show…
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April 9, 2015 6:32pm
nasska

….”It looks like comrade Campbell might be on the hunt for a new job”….

Jobs for the boys, the girls & the not too sure is alive & doing well.

His mentors in the NZ Labour Party will come up with something.
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April 9, 2015 6:32pm
Longknives

“Every western country that imports muslims will have to pay the price eventually, and it will be a high price.”

Yet Devoy and her Lefty Chums are determined to flood us with Muslim Immigrants no questions asked!
Are we so terrified of being labelled ‘Intolerant’ that we would sacrifice the safety of our own citizens??
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April 9, 2015 6:35pm
big bruv

Our old pal Toad is having a melt down at this news. It was bad enough for Toad that Paul Henry returned to our screens but now we hear that Campbell is for the chop, it might be more than Toad can handle.

These lefties really don’t like the idea of free speech do they.
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April 9, 2015 6:35pm
Reid

Where bb?

His mentors in the NZ Labour Party will come up with something.

He’s a Gween nasska. They’ll snap him up. He’ll become the new Wussell in no time at all.
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April 9, 2015 6:37pm
SPC

A few days ago an Egyptian naval ship shelled Aden in support of Saudi Arabian air strikes against Houthi “rebels” seeking to overthrow the current regime. Part of the development of an Arab League military capability.

Iran has said it is sending some of its navy to the area.

Presumably Iran is seeking the right to use the port of Aden once the Houthi re-instate a former ruler of Yemen (one in power when north and south were united).
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April 9, 2015 6:37pm
SPC

bb, if you like the idea of free speech, why do you care if Campbell is on air or not?
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April 9, 2015 6:39pm
stigie

Whats happened to ya ole mate Dad Bruv, of course we miss him heaps ?
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April 9, 2015 6:40pm
nasska

At least he’ll be able to put his feet up at the trough for another twenty years Reid.

He was getting a bit old to find a job in the real world.
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April 9, 2015 6:42pm
Longknives

“Whats happened to ya ole mate Dad Bruv,?”

Away Gliding with Richie McCaw?
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April 9, 2015 6:42pm
Longknives

Sorry it never gets old…
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April 9, 2015 6:42pm
nasska

Dad got in a huff when DPF threw three strikes at him in one night stigie.

He’ll be back……couldn’t help himself. 🙂
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April 9, 2015 6:43pm
cha

Oh the ironing.
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http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/04/06/nra-bans-operational-guns-at-nra-convention-for-security-reasons/
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April 9, 2015 6:45pm
stigie

I remember that night Nasska, the night he told us all that we were sick cunts !~
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April 9, 2015 6:48pm
nasska

….”I remember that night Nasska, the night he told us all that we were sick cunts”…..

Actually, he might have been on to something at the time but he could have hurt our feelings. 🙂
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April 9, 2015 6:52pm
stigie

Where did minus come from ? Johnboy’s not here !~
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April 9, 2015 6:58pm
big bruv

D4J is a bit like Bedwetter. Every once in a while they have a meltdown, they swear black and blue that they will never be back.

A couple of months later they return.
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April 9, 2015 7:04pm
OneTrack

Longknives – “Are we so terrified of being labelled ‘Intolerant’ that we would sacrifice the safety of our own citizens??”

The progressive illiberals are.
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April 9, 2015 7:05pm
nasska

The religioconservatives in California are rapidly becoming unhinged. Someone’s been putting additives into the communion wine:

….”Yet that system is now facing something of a threat from an attorney named Matthew McLaughlin, who wants to use the ballot initiative to authorize the mass murder of gays and lesbians. He has formally proposed the Sodomite Suppression Act, which refers to homosexuality as “a monstrous evil” and an “abominable crime against nature.” It would ban communicating messages of tolerance to minors; bar gays and lesbians, or anyone who voices acceptance, from holding government jobs or public office; and authorize mass murder:”…..

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/03/will-californians-vote-on-executing-gays-and-lesbians/388784/

While most accept that the proposed act is only an attention seeking device it shows just how desperate those who wish to run the lives of all have become.
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April 9, 2015 7:10pm
stephieboy

nasska, for a moment I thought I was reading an Islamic State newsletter but this is in fact California fundie la la land .
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April 9, 2015 7:22pm
doggone7

big bruv (@ 6:35 pm

“These lefties really don’t like the idea of free speech do they.”

They like the idea of free speech as much as you like the idea of anything your lot says being challenged. You like the idea of a dictatorship where your ideology is the ruling one, the unquestioned one. Big strong powerful forceful leadership. No opposition. Funny how that certainty and assertiveness ends in wet nappies when someone like John campbell presents anything resembling even a smidgeon contrary.
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April 9, 2015 7:23pm
Manolo

Champagne socialist and supreme liar: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031245/I-m-not-super-rich-insists-multi-millionaire-Blair-Former-PM-accused-touch-saying-earning-infrastructure-him.html

Since leaving Number Ten in 2007, he has established up a complex network of companies, which make it impossible to calculate his exact earnings. He rarely discusses his wealth, though he has dismissed reports he has amassed £100 million as ‘greatly exaggerated’, and his allies say he has given millions of pounds to charity.

Mr Blair has suggested that in fact, he is worth less than £20 million, though he and his family are thought to own property worth at least £30 million.
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April 9, 2015 7:25pm
Reid

those who wish to run the lives of all have become.

Which includes no-one truly religious nasska but lots who claim to act in the name of religion, which is a different thing altogether.

But of course, you all already knew that and already made that distinction, didn’t you.
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April 9, 2015 7:29pm
nasska

I’m no fan of immigration from Islamic countries stephieboy but that is based on Islam’s determination to subdue our culture as is happening in the UK. If the argument is confined to religion you would be hard pushed to slide a cigarette paper between Islamic & Christian moral principles. They are both stone age cults determined to drive society back to the Dark Ages.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yxepkamd7etvkqs/Religionutters%2030.jpg?dl=0
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April 9, 2015 7:32pm
nasska

….”Which includes no-one truly religious nasska but lots who claim to act in the name of religion, which is a different thing altogether.”…..

The truly religious implicate themselves by siding with the pretenders Reid.

They sacrifice integrity because they like the direction the deceivers take.
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April 9, 2015 7:35pm
RF

I have been over at the standard stirring them up. It’s like a beehive now. The dear wee girls have their tits in a tangle over the power share price and their savour John Campbell possibly getting the boot.

An’t life a bitch
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April 9, 2015 7:43pm
stigie

Yes RF, and if you own shares in the power companies, you are called a greedy rich prick !~

God, they are pathetic over there.
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April 9, 2015 7:52pm
RF

stigie. I suspect the knuckle draggers over there have 8 fingers on each hand. They talk pure shit and are so envious of anyone who tries to improve their position in life.
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April 9, 2015 7:56pm
Jacob

… you would be hard pushed to slide a cigarette paper between Islamic & Christian moral principles.

If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet – Matthew 10:14

(As for) those who disbelieve in Our communications, We shall make them enter fire; so oft as their skins are thoroughly burned, We will change them for other skins, that they may taste the chastisement; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise – SURA 4.56

Yes, any one can see that 🙂
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April 9, 2015 8:06pm
nasska

And with eight months of the year left to run, the judges have conceded that no one could top the effort at 8;06pm on KB GD.

They have taken the unusual step of an early awarding of the 2015 Cherry Picker of the Year Cup to (drumroll)…….Jacob! 🙂
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April 9, 2015 8:19pm
big bruv

Bloody hell!…the pinko’s really are going to town over the John Campbell thing. The next few weeks are going to be hilariously funny watching them all unwind. I am really going to enjoy putting the boot in.
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April 9, 2015 8:27pm
Jacob

Aren’t the Judges a little premature here selecting the 8:06 comment while there is yet eight months of the year to run – ignoring the potential you, yourself, have Nasska, or the force that is Penny Bright?

Aren’t the Judges being a little cherry-picky themselves? 🙂
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April 9, 2015 8:42pm
nasska

You’re too modest Jacob. I can’t vouch for Penny but I concede defeat! 🙂
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April 9, 2015 8:51pm
chwaga

Who is this John Campbell fellow. I have often heard his name but have never seen or heard him that I can remember.
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April 9, 2015 9:04pm
wiseowl

Campbell is the one who waves his hands around trying to get your attention.
I change channel.
I hope he’s a goner.
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April 9, 2015 9:06pm
Manolo

The buffoon Kerry warns the world: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/09/kerry-says-us-wont-stand-by-in-middle-east-as-iran-steps-up-yemen-involvement/
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April 9, 2015 9:18pm
doggone7

big bruv (@ 8:27 pm
“…The next few weeks are going to be hilariously funny …”

A distraction from the “Winnie got elected” tantrums?
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April 9, 2015 9:22pm
Left Right and Centre

At the local supermarket as I was having a tantrum trying to open a shopping bag . . .

There was a Maori woman haranguing the self-scan gentleman – really nice guy. It wasn’t too bad – she wasn’t overly aggressive but it was still weird and awful and no nice person would be doing it. She wanted alcohol and he said he couldn’t give it to her – maybe because she was displaying signs of intoxication ? She kept saying she was 41 and allowed to buy alcohol.

My point is – this is what I see going on – and it’s more often than not the same people of the same heritage. And I’m meant to celebrate their culture ? I switched to white trash mode ready to help the fella out – and I can be quite mouthy in real life as I have been on KB – and risked getting involved which is just dumb. I said ‘yeah – 41 – and didn’t learn any fucking manners’. After that she gave up on the supervisor.

The trick apparently is to wet your fingers to open a bag. They’ve even got a little sponge holder – who knows how disgusting that thing looks under the microscope but ok.
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April 10, 2015 2:38am
Manolo

To the delight of progressive stephieboy: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/rand-paul-clinton-down-2016-presidential-poll-133940057.html

Democrat Hillary Clinton has slipped against leading 2016 Republican candidates in Colorado, Iowa and Virginia, according to a poll released on Thursday that cited damage from the furor over the former secretary of state’s emails.

The Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll also showed Clinton in a close race with U.S. Senator Rand Paul, the Kentucky Republican who declared his candidacy on Tuesday.
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