General Debate 8 April 2015

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Andrei

Like the Soviets from 1941-45 before they became bad guys by swallowing up Eastern Europe

Just like the USA swallowed Western Europe during the same period of course.

But unlike the Soviets they are still there, like a bad case of antibiotic resistant clap impossible to get rid of and spreading their infection where ever they can
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April 8, 2015 1:54pm
Shawn Herles

“Just like the USA swallowed Western Europe during the same period of course.”

Nonsense. Western Europe had, and has, democratically elected governments. Comparing that to the Soviet backed totalitarian dictatorships that it imposed by force in Eastern Europe is, to put it mildly, disingenuous.
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April 8, 2015 1:58pm
Left Right and Centre

Call me a sadist – I listened to a bit of Alison Mau’s atrocious speaking voice . . .

It was the avoiding sending white kids to brown schools thing. She said she didn’t like one school because there weren’t enough dyke kids and teachers. Ok – she didn’t. She said there were *too many white kids* – and wanted to ‘teach her kids diversity’.

Who listens to this shit and takes it seriously ? You go from Sean Plunket who was on fire with student worker exploitation – to these shithead lightweight losers spouting cutting-edge trendy PC spewage. She sounds like vomit and talks vomit.

At least Willie & JT were entertaining. Compare Sean Plunket and those two PC propoganda propelling progs – no matter how white trash and feral she sounds and soapbox melting pot speeches she makes – a lot of brown folks will always think ‘stupid twink lezza bitch’.
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April 8, 2015 1:59pm
Redbaiter

Redbaiter:
I can not understand why I can not print on your column Blue true.
You should tell me directly

Paul- I have a filter in place that automatically consigns any comment from nominated Kiwiblog trolls to the spam bin.

Naaah, just kidding. I have no idea why you would be prevented from commenting there. Other people manage it quite easily. All you need to do is insert an email address and a commenting name and you should be able to comment.

The first message anyone new posts is held for moderation. After that, once I clear the name, any future comment will appear immediately.
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April 8, 2015 2:03pm
Komata

Apropos Odakyu-sens comments earlier today, concerning the ‘white ‘disinclination’ to place their children in lower-decile schools’ from lower decile schools:

How quickly we forget. Back in the 1980’s there was an interesting phenomenon in Auckland that was described in the MSM of the day as ‘Samoan Fiight’. This was occurring where wealthy and educated Samoan parents (yes, there actually are some of both persuasions, contrary to what some would believe) had concluded that their children could do BETTER if they were removed from certain Eastern Suburbs primary schools (no names, BTW) and placed in schools which has a high EUROPEAN content (again, no names). The MSM did their usual beat-up. As with all such occurrences it was a ‘nine day wonder’ and after the dust had settled and all the usual suspects had made their usual pronouncements, everything went very quiet. It had absolutely no effect on the Samoan parents who voted with their feet and just kept on taking their children elsewhere…

We were living in one of the areas from which the Samoan’s were exiting themselves at the time and, as we had a child about to start school (and were following the Samoan Fight’ phenomenon with some interest, although not because either my wife or myself were of that ethnicity), made some enquiries. As with most parents we wanted the best for the child, and were looking for a school with about a 50/50 racial mix, since this would reflect both our ethnic backgrounds (European / Polynesian), and provide a reasonable standard of learning – the sort that would bring out the best in our child. The results were ‘interesting’ to say the least. In one state primary school, there was ONE European child – a girl, with whose parent’s we had a passing acquaintance. She was severely outnumbered!!! In another the only Europeans were the teachers. Sadly, levels of discipline and learning at such establishments were not high, and at times it did seem that (at least metaphorically) the inmates were running the asylum. The whole exercise was ‘enlightening’ and where previously we had been enthusiastic supporters of the state school system (through which we had received our own education), we now had considerable misgivings.

Our child eventually went to a nearby Catholic convent-based school, which, while not ideal, was at least better than what the ‘state’ could offer. Here the mix was roughly 80-20% in favour of the Polynesian ethnicities (which were largely Tongan BTW), but with a staff of ‘teaching sisters’ who were under no illusions about the necessity to impose discipline and good behaviours on their students as part of the greater learning process. Our child seemed to enjoy the experience, and was certainly encouraged to excell, although, being ethnically a ‘mix-n-match’ , and culturally European, inevitably copped some initial ‘flak’ from both sides of the colour spectrum – this on this FIRST ever day!! We learnt a lot in a very short space of time.

As can be seen, the phenomenon is nothing new. Yesterday, the Samoan’s, tomorrow? It is noticeable though (and perhaps unsurprisingly) that the Herald only refers to ‘White’ parents / children, which begs two questions; were they not ‘brave enough’ to find a Chinese’ or another ethnicity to ask? And if not, why not?

Given the Herald’s known bias and political masters, it would seem that a certain agenda and narrative is being pushed here, and that to highlight anyone other than the ‘usual suspects’ would seem to perhaps require that some things are deliberately ignored. If they were not, the ‘truth’ might be more ‘inconvenient’ than one would perhaps wish for…
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April 8, 2015 2:09pm
Andrei

Shawn – Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin sat down at Yalta in February 1945 and divided Europe between them.

The only Nation that remained independent to chart its own course was Yugoslavia under Tito – that was finally brought to an end in the 1990s by Bill Clinton who administered the coup de grace with his illegal bombing campagin in 1999
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April 8, 2015 2:12pm
Kimbo

@ Andrei

Just like the USA swallowed Western Europe during the same period of course.

Well, let’s see. In the 1960s, when Charles de Gaulle was pissed off with NATO and issued a request that all American troops stationed in France should be removed, President Lyndon Johnson issued a directive to his advisers who wanted him to proceed with tact and diplomacy:

“You ask Charles de fucking Gaulle, ‘does that include the ones buried at Omaha Beach?'”

Care to tell me how it went with Alexander Dubček and the ‘Prague Spring’ of 1968? Oh, yes, that’s right. When Brezhnev didn’t get his way, he sent in the tanks…
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April 8, 2015 2:14pm
Komata

BTW: The phrase ‘Samoan Fiight’ (Para 2, line 2) in my 1409 post, should, of course, be ‘Samoan FLIGHT’ (sorry about that).
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April 8, 2015 2:16pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn – Churchill, Roosevelt and Stalin sat down at Yalta in February 1945 and divided Europe between them.”

Which contradicts your original claim.

“The only Nation that remained independent to chart its own course was Yugoslavia under Tito”

It was a dictatorship. And Western Europe WAS independent. It’s peoples were able to choose their governments. France often charted it’s own course, including being in and out of NATO.

Your fantasy of Western Europe being under US control does not fit the facts.

“that was finally brought to an end in the 1990s by Bill Clinton”

It was brought to an end by Slobadan Milosevic’s war of racial genocide.
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April 8, 2015 2:18pm
Kimbo

@ kowtow

coconuts
pepper
curry spices
silk
oil

Not North American.

…was referring to the bounty of colonialism in general, not just North America.

But good spotting that cocoa originally comes from the Americas. But rubber is originally from the Congo, even though the main producer is now Malaysia. Not sure you have passed the audition for my pub quiz night team.
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April 8, 2015 2:19pm
Andrei

Kimbo what did Ronald Reagan do in Grenada in 1983?

Lets not forget the Bay of Pigs under the Kennedy administration either

Nor Panama in 1989

And thats just a few

The real biggie of course is Iraq in 2003
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April 8, 2015 2:19pm
Manolo

I beg to differ, Andrei.

Communist Russian violence against Eastern European nations (Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, Poland 1980) and the unflinching support of its oppressive regimes win hands down the brutality competition.
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April 8, 2015 2:22pm
Shawn Herles

“Kimbo what did Ronald Reagan do in Grenada in 1983?”

Prevented a coup by Soviet backed Cuban communists.

Oh, and in case you’re confused, Grenada is not part of Western Europe, though I guess you had no choice but to change the argument when your original claim is picked to pieces.
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April 8, 2015 2:23pm
Andrei

Communist Russian violence against eastern Europe (Hungary 1956, Czechoslovakia 1968, Poland 1980) and the unflinching support of its oppressive regimes win hands down the brutality competition.

What about Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia during the same period, Manolo?

What about the USA’s unflinching support of the House of Saud that continues to this very day – you could hardly consider that regime a beacon of enlightenment

And Pinochets Chile etc etc etc
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April 8, 2015 2:28pm
Kimbo

@ Andrei

Kimbo what did Ronald Reagan do in Grenada in 1983?

He secured the second-largest producer of nutmeg for the Western democratic world. He couldn’t stand by and let the Soviets take all the nutmeg to sprinkle on their porridge.

And he stopped Grenada becoming a basket case like Cuba, or other quasi-Soviet Caribbean satellites (and basket cases) Guyana and Nicaragua.

Oh, yes. Plus Reagan upheld the bedrock American foreign policy position encapsulated for over 150 years in the Monroe Doctrine. Seeing as Khrushchev almost started World War III in 1962 by ignoring it, I’m bemused you were surprised by Reagan’s decision…or George Bush I acting as the “Worlds policeman” – a role forced on the reluctant isolationist USA in 1941 – in Nicaragua in 1989.
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April 8, 2015 2:29pm
Shawn Herles

“What about Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia during the same period, Manolo?”

Who funded, armed and supported the North Vietnamese Communist regime Andrei?

Russia.
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April 8, 2015 2:36pm
Andrei

Actually Shawn according to the 1954 Geneva accords the Vietnamese were supposed to go to the polls in 1956 to be allowed to determine their own future.

When it became clear that the Vietnamese would choose to go with Ho Chi Minh and not the American vassals ruling the South the elections in the South were cancelled leading to civil unrest and an escalating civil war – the rest is history
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April 8, 2015 2:42pm
Shawn Herles

Andrei,

the Soviet Union, and it’s many vassal states, including North Vietnam, were easily among the most brutal and murderous in history, and everywhere the Russian Soviets went they brought horrific dictatorships, mass murder, and jack booted oppression.

Whatever the USA’s mistakes, nothing it has done in the 20th century can come remotely close to the evils and horrors unleashed by Russian communism.
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April 8, 2015 2:52pm
Fletch

TVNZ, Spark et al, bringing out the heavies as regards geoblocking, demanding that they stop their services as of April 15th.

Global Mode, which helps viewers access blocked online television services such as the US version of Netflix, may be on a sticky wicket, a law professor believes.

The service, developed by Auckland company Bypass Network Services (BNS), helps customers of several internet providers, including CallPlus-owned brands Slingshot, Orcon and Flip, subscribe to overseas online services that are supposed to be blocked in New Zealand for copyright reasons.

Law firm Buddle Finlay, acting on behalf of Sky Television, Television New Zealand, MediaWorks and Spark subsidiary Lightbox, wrote to Slingshot, Orcon, some smaller regional internet providers and BNS on Thursday demanding they pull the service.

The letter sent to BNS gave it a deadline of 5pm on April 15 to cease offering Global Mode and to publicly acknowledge the service was illegal. Otherwise, Buddle Finlay said, it had been instructed to “immediately commence legal proceedings”.

CallPlus has yet to reveal what its response to the letter will be.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/67642415/global-mode-could-lose-online-tv-challenge

Pffft. Demanding little so-and-so’s aren’t they? When you get to be all big and corporate like that, you think that the world ought to bow to your every whim.
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April 8, 2015 2:54pm
Manolo

Whatever the USA’s mistakes, nothing it has done in the 20th century can come remotely close to the evils and horrors unleashed by Russian communism.

An uncontestable, undeniable truth.
It should be remembered that countries don’t have friends; just interests.
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April 8, 2015 3:03pm
Komata

Andrei

Re: ‘What about Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia during the same period…’?

Umm, it would seem that you could possibly be suffering from certain ‘misapprehensions’ in respect of Vietnam (actually SOUTH Vietnam; the northern ‘Peoples Republic of Vietnam’ was Communist, remember, inconvenient though it may be for you to do so). The South (Republic of Vietnam) was effectively being ‘run over’ by a certain Ho Chi Minh, who, not content with having made the north Communist, also wanted the land south of the DMZ to convert to his ideologies. The fact that the South had absolutely NO commonality with the north and actually didn’t want to become part of this plan was, of course, a very inconvenient and minor detail. They were to be ‘persuaded’ that it was in their ‘interests’ to do so -OR ELSE! And in case, you weren’t aware of it, the North was a proxy for both Beijing and Moscow as part of the Cold War – indeed they were both competing for Hanoi’s favours – anything for the honour of beating the western Imperialist, Capitalist Running Dogs and bring victory to the ‘oppressed’ members of the south. When Ho Chi Minh started his little junket BTW, Laos was a UN-brokered, Treaty-protected neutral state UNTIL THE NORTH STARTED USING IT AS A BY-PASS for the Ho Chi Minh Trail and openly taunted the RVN and its allies, who, self-constrained by the previously mentioned International treaties (which the Nth ignored deliberately and openly), could do very little, UNTIL the nth overplayed themselves and suffered the consequences. In Cambodia, Prince Sihanouk was meanwhile playing a very fast and loose game with the Communists to keep his country out of the (Communist) tiger’s mouth. He succeeded admirably until the war in Laos came across the fence …

BTW: The US and its allies were in South Vietnam at the invitation of that state, and to fulfill TREATY obligations, ‘Treaties’ being internationally-binding documents that for some strange reason, the North Vietnamese and their Communist supporters (Russia, China) seemed to always have trouble in observing …

FWIW, I notice that you make absolutely NO mention of the ‘Malayan Emergency’, an event sometimes called ‘Britain’s Vietnam’, a very nasty little conflict which went on for about a decade, and was every bit as brutal as the events further north. Perhaps you don’t know abut it, or perhaps, because the British WON, it doesn’t fit your very evident narrative and biases.

The Communists were BEATEN, and the nation state of Malaysia was the result (it still exists BTW – as a ‘non Communist’ nation)

Thought you might like to know, if only to correct some evident misapprehensions which you appear to have. What you may have been taught, is sometimes not what actually took place….
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April 8, 2015 3:17pm
Jack5

Can the jury system survive multiculturalism?

The jury summons now comes complete with a warning in the back in several languages warning the recipients:

If you can understand and take part in a group conversation you probably understand English well enough to serve.

This is printed in Arabic, two versions of Chinese, Hindi, Korean, Maori, and Cook Islands Maori.

If someone has a disability and wants to serve, they are invited to advise the court of special requirements, such as a sign-language translator.

There’s no simple explanation of the jury system vis a vis sharia law or the non-jury systems of countries such as China and Korea.

If NZ wants multiculturalism, it should abandon jury trials as one of the prices that will have to be paid.
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April 8, 2015 3:23pm
Shawn Herles

Well said Komata.

Andrei’s historical revisionism and attempts to whitewash Russian/Soviet tyranny and it’s history of horrific brutality do not stand up to scrutiny.
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April 8, 2015 3:23pm
Left Right and Centre

I’ve got Duncan Garner on – more about the overseas students being exploited . . .

He said NZ needs more people and needs more diversity. Huh ? What – is that the ‘ultimate goal of humanity’ ? Why does NZ need more people ? Millions more ? NZ doesn’t need anything what it needs is to get rid of all these PC sell-out broadcasters.

I don’t think Auckland needs more people. What’s the endgame there ? Where’s dime ? Where’s Steve north shore ? Where David Garrett ? Griff ? nasska ?

Let’s have someone like Duncan holding the dam gate of immigration. I can’t wait to be flooded with more wonderful diversity. Only heaven would be more multi-cultural – hahahaha
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April 8, 2015 3:36pm
cha

Summary execution in the land of the free.

https://vimeo.com/124336782

http://www.abcnews4.com/story/28725562/coroner-identifies-man-shot-killed-by-north-charleston-police-officer
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April 8, 2015 3:39pm
Gulag1917

“Whatever the USA’s mistakes, nothing it has done in the 20th century can come remotely close to the evils and horrors unleashed by Russian communism.”
The US was brutal but not as brutal as the Soviets so the above statement [propaganda] is an exaggeration.
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April 8, 2015 3:47pm
Shawn Herles

“The US was brutal”

Not really.

“but not as brutal as the Soviets so the above statement”

Not even in the same ball park.
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April 8, 2015 3:52pm
Gulag1917

The reason that the Viet Cong respected Australian and NZ troops was because they were professionals and fought like professionals. They did not say the same about US troops, wonder why?
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April 8, 2015 3:55pm
cha

wonder why?

Losers since 1945.
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April 8, 2015 4:00pm
Jack5

Hello Shawn Herles:

In your 12.48 post you said you were of the Eastern Band Cherokee, who did get a rough time, but I think it was well after the colonies stage of the United States.

I think to be recognised as Cherokee you have to trace one ancestor to the tribal rolls going back as far 130 years ago or more. This parallels the requirement for being regarded as Ngai Tahu in our South Island. Perhaps already, and if not, soon, people with one sixty-fourth Ngai Tahu genes will be eligible for tribal membership. That, is a person who had one of their 64 great-great-great-great-great grandparents Ngai Tahu will be able to be be recognised as a member of the tribe.

Because of intermarriage, in another few centuries everyone in the South Island will be Ngai Tahu under this classification. From just one full-blooded Ngai Tahu, in 18 generations, half a million people can be classified as Ngai Tahu. If 18th-generation descendants had no other Ngai Tahu ancestors (perhaps because somewhere in the chain someone migrated to South America or some such) Ngai Tahu would contribute just 0.000008 per cent of their genes.
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April 8, 2015 4:01pm
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/67648936/boiling-oil-thrown-in-domestic-dispute

Reasons why nice white folks (and all nice folks) don’t want to send their kids to the local stones throw low decile shithole feral factory.

Tammylee – far out – 25 – three kids (has she stopped at three ?), both parents out partying of course – don’t let the kids get in the way of partying. The three kids were in court – might as well start them young eh ? Get acclimatised early. Let me guess – alcohol ? Who looked after the kids ? Those kids are NZ’s future. They will do well in life I’m sure.

Want your kids going to school with those poor beggars ? Yeah, nah. Medical science be damned – feral is a communicable illness.
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April 8, 2015 4:02pm
Manolo

It goes on and on: http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/australia/bali-nine-myuran-sukumaran-andrew-chan-appeal-to-constitutional-court-wont-stop-their-execution-indonesian-a-g-says/ar-AAax8Ba?ocid=mailsignoutmd

Lawyers acting for Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan say they want to launch a constitutional court challenge against president Joko Widodo’s refusal to grant the Australians clemency, after an earlier challenge was dismissed by an Indonesian court on Monday.
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April 8, 2015 4:03pm
RichardX

Gulag1917 (1,352 comments) says:
April 8th, 2015 at 3:55 pm
The reason that the Viet Cong respected Australian and NZ troops was because they were professionals and fought like professionals. They did not say the same about US troops, wonder why?

Because they were professionals, not draftees
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April 8, 2015 4:06pm
Shawn Herles

“I think to be recognised as Cherokee you have to trace one ancestor to the tribal rolls going back as far 130 years ago or more. ”

Only for the purposes of tribal registration.
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April 8, 2015 4:07pm
Manolo

I can almost see stephieDevoy proudly wearing a cardigan with Hillary’s name on it.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2015/04/07/262261/whats-in-a-name-hillary-by-any.html

WASHINGTON — There’s Beyoncé and Madonna, Cher and Prince. And now Hillary.

It may not be exactly the same as the long list of celebrities known by their first names. But Hillary Clinton has become known simply as Hillary in bumper stickers and headlines, on Twitter and Facebook, around water coolers and in coffee shops.
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April 8, 2015 4:08pm
Shawn Herles

“They did not say the same about US troops, wonder why?”

Assuming your claim is true, and I notice you don’t provide a reference, the USA was using conscription at the time. Professional voluntary soldiers are always better.
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April 8, 2015 4:09pm
Jack5

Gulag1917 is spouting rubbish when he says the Viet Cong respected Australian and NZ troops, but not American troops.

The people who disrespected both Aust-NZ and American troops in the Vietnam campaign were the Leftist trash who insulted veterans on their return home.

Australians played a bigger role than NZ in the war, and were especially brave, IMHO, in the stage when guys were crawling into VC tunnels. It was the Americans who did the lion’s share of the fighting, however, as you would expect from the numbers involved.

The guys in our small infantry contribution (one company) served bravely and well, but our artillery battery blotched its record a little by shelling the Aussies. (Gulag1917, perhaps that’s where you or your informant go the idea the Vietnamese respected the NZ’ers.)

The New Zealanders were volunteers and I respect them especially for that, but about 20,000 Australian conscripts served in Vietnam.
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April 8, 2015 4:14pm
Shawn Herles

“Gulag1917 is spouting rubbish”

He usually does.
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April 8, 2015 4:16pm
Gulag1917

The NZ military command tolerate a lot [possibly three times] lower casualty rate amongst its troops than the US. The lower the tolerance the better the fighting ability, it appears from other armies.

NZ war veterans go back to Vietnam
http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/features/8590712/NZ-war-veterans-go-back-to-Vietnam
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April 8, 2015 4:17pm
Kimbo

@ Manolo

It may not be exactly the same as the long list of celebrities known by their first names. But Hillary Clinton has become known simply as Hillary in bumper stickers and headlines, on Twitter and Facebook, around water coolers and in coffee shops.

She seems to have the same hairstyle as another one-name celebrity, Liberace.
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April 8, 2015 4:24pm
Jack5

Gulag1917 continues talking out his arsehole at 4.17:

The lower the tolerance the better the fighting ability, it appears from other armies.

Where do you find such garbage Gulag1917? There’s no logic to it at all.

What is your evidence that NZ tolerated a lower casualty rate than the Americans did?

Is it as weak as your pointer to the Timaru Herald article which says the NZ’ers were respected in South Vietnam, without indicating the South Vietnamese respected NZ’ers more than Americans.
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April 8, 2015 4:25pm
Gulag1917

Compare various armies in various wars. There has been an editorial in a major NZ newspaper a few years ago stating that the cavalier approach to war by US generals might not be good for the survival rate of NZ troops in places like Iraq.
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April 8, 2015 4:29pm
Jack5

Gulag1917 posts at 4.29:

There was been an editorial in a major NZ newspaper a few years ago stating …

Now that’s a precise bit of evidence.
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April 8, 2015 4:31pm
Shawn Herles

“There was been an editorial in a major NZ newspaper a few years ago stating that the cavalier approach to war by US generals might ”

US generals don’t actually have a cavalier approach to war.

Relying on an opinion piece in what is likely a Left wing newspaper is not evidence.
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April 8, 2015 4:34pm
Gulag1917

Jack, are you another one of the all the way with LBJ club?
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April 8, 2015 4:38pm
Shawn Herles

“Compare various armies in various wars.”

Gallipoli comes to mind. That was the Brits not the US. And we could compare the US concern for causalities to Russia’s.

You’re making sweeping statements with zero evidence.
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April 8, 2015 4:44pm
Gulag1917

Australia has had 6 deaths out of 32 thousand troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan
http://www.army.gov.au/Our-future/Publications/Australian-Army-Journal/Past-editions/~/media/Files/Our%20future/LWSC%20Publications/AAJ/2008Summer/07-NoCasualtiesPleaseWereS.pdf
compare that with this
http://icasualties.org/
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April 8, 2015 4:51pm
Komata

Gulag17

Re: The reason that the Viet Cong respected Australian and NZ troops was because they were professionals and fought like professionals. They did not say the same about US troops, wonder why?

In a way you’ve partly answered your own question; The Kiwi’s and Oz’s were professionals- and (at least in the NZ case) volunteers. Initially the US supplied ‘advisers’ were in the same category – military specialists (frequently approaching military ‘retirement’ but full of experience)who were seconded to South Vietnam and when there, were required to pass on their knowledge to the RVN (Republic of Vietnam) military personnel. This they did and did well. However, as the war escalated, the number of available ‘professionals’ dwindled, both as a result of natural attrition and the natural ending of their chosen career paths. However, War is no respector of persons and the US still had ‘treaty’ commitments to keep; where to get the necessary manpower? The answer was Compulsory Military Service (aka the ‘Draft’) – with the means of choosing being effectively Lotto’ but on a huge scale. It was (as already indicated) ‘Compulsory’ and certainly provided the necessary manpower, albeit of a very young age (average; 19). It was also capable of massive abuse IF YOU HAD THE NECESSARY CONNECTIONS, with the result that the ‘educated’ draftees (university undergrads and the like) tended to be able to avoid the system by various means. This removed the ‘cream’ from the draft and, ultimately, it came to ‘pick on’ the poor, the semi literate and the lower socio-economic classes of the USA ; those who didn’t have the necessary ‘friends’ in high places, or the money to go to Canada – a safe-haven, where the ‘Draft’ couldn’t reach you. Not surprisingly, this had a ‘dumbing down’ effect on the US Army (the main ‘consumer’ of such individuals), and while things in respect of supervision were very tight in the USA (when under training) when actually ‘in country’ and freed from the necessary close supervision, the draftees tended to treat any excursion into the ‘bad lands’ as a literal ‘walk in the park’ and take very little care in regard of the need for silence and watchfulness. The VC loved it – hear the ‘Stupid’ Americans coming, set up a trap and wait. ‘Ducks on a shooting range’ if you will. This is not to say the ALL US draftees were like this, just many of them. They had no interest in the war, were there ‘because they had to be’ and were ordered to by ‘Washington’ and on arrival at Da Nang were really only waiting to serve ‘for as long as they had to’ (and not one second more)and return stateside. If they got injured, then they went home more quickly (another story in itself, but not for here).

The ‘draftees’ didn’t care. However, lest it be thought that they were unique in this, the US Army has a long history of ‘patrol loudness’ and many Kiwi servicemen serving alongside them in the Pacific islands have very acute memories of the ‘Yanks on patrol’. According to several i have spoken with over the years, ‘You could hear them coming $#@&^% miles away’. (the Fijian’s. conversely, were very silent, and would just ‘appear’).

I hope that this goes some way towards answering your question. However, I would also like to point out that while the draftee ‘ground troops’ tended to be ‘sloppy’ when in theatre those draftees who were in Vietnam with the USAF, US Army Air Corps, US Marines and with the RVN Air Force (nominally as ‘observers’ although the term was remarkably ‘elastic’), along with those draftees allocated to both the US Marines and US Navy, were never anything but professional in their work – reflective perhaps of a different ‘culture’ from the ‘ground huggers’.

Hope this helps – thanks for posing the question.
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April 8, 2015 4:55pm
EAD

Gulag,

Your dealing with a fully paid up neo-con here. Like the WMD fiasco, reason and facts go out the door and bluster and propaganda carry the argument of course reinforced by Hollywood glorification of the US army.
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April 8, 2015 4:57pm
doggone7

Redbaiter @ 12:49 pm

“I have presented plentiful examples of the kind of crap that is foisted upon school kids in the guise of education … Your problem is your so indoctrinated yourself you can’t see it, and I’ve no time for pointing out the obvious to fools with a perspective so limited they wouldn’t know if Karl Marx was up them with an over-ripe pineapple.”

Thank you for the reply. No thanks that you can’t give examples and have to resort to abuse. I’ll have to accept that when you have nothing intelligent to say you will just spew out clichés and epithets. Already today you’ve abused someone else insisting the limitation you see in them is a judgement on our education system. I wonder about a system which could give rise to your level of wisdom, tolerance and percipience.
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April 8, 2015 4:58pm
Shawn Herles

“reason and facts go out the door and bluster and propaganda carry the argument of course ”

Says the guy who likes the Ku Klux Klan approach to Jewish issues, and posted a reason-free propaganda hate piece from one of the KKK’s leaders about the threat of global Jewry.

Should we discuss which ideology you are a paid up member of?
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April 8, 2015 5:11pm
Nostradamus

DPF on Twitter:

Maria Slade
Rates protester Penny Bright almost beats Len Brown in Auckland mayoral poll. This is what we’ve come to.

David Farrar
Penny will be highly encouraged by that! Maybe her hat could be Deputy Mayor?

And this is the article they’re talking about.

It should be noted that 5% said they’d vote for Len Brown as mayor in 2016, and 3% said they’d vote for Penny Bright, so possibly a close contest for last place!
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April 8, 2015 5:27pm
Redbaiter

“Thank you for the reply. No thanks that you can’t give examples and have to resort to abuse.”

Pardon me but I find it ever more difficult these days tolerating sloth and ignorance. You could easily go and search for any such comment yourself but no, you’d rather sit back on your useless prog arse and have someone else do the work, while you dwell so happily in your idiot delusions that the NZ school curriculum is free of indoctrination, and use your sloth and indolence to excuse your blind ignorant political prejudice.

Here is one such comment.

I will re-assert my main point here. As we have covered this subject so many times, and I recall earlier discussions with you on this issue, your messages now can be nothing but worthless cant inspired by blinkered ignorance. So don’t bother responding. I’m out of patience for the damn uneducated fools who are so blithely white anting New Zealand.
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April 8, 2015 5:33pm
nasska

From Nostra’s link:

….”, 56 per cent said they would never support Brown, while 36 per cent would not back Bright.”….

It is anticipated that the incumbent will soon announce his intention to put a stop on his rates cheque a move that should even up the ground somewhat. 🙂
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April 8, 2015 5:40pm
nasska

Progs upsetting you again Baity? 🙂
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April 8, 2015 5:41pm
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/67652168/crackdown-on-gangs-and-drugs-in-christchurch

Before sitting driving test – first question should be *spell ‘licence’*. Another Stuffed ‘jouroh-no’ fails his ‘licence spelling test’. English test for bozo aspiring professional wordsmiths. Too hard ?

General TV: A young hot weather lady Kanoa Lloyd (had to look it up) on TV3 – dogged me quietly for ages what my problem was without even knowing I had one. She’s one of those attractive TV women – all teeth, mouth and lips – not much face space for other features – she’s so scary excited on air, grinning like the world’s first Big O bubblegum for broads guinea pig – I wanted to check a lotto ticket – where’s the freakin powerball number ? Long range forecast there is still relative poverty – doh !! She’s just simmering on the margin of actually jumping up and down like it’s xmas morning – too funny. We’re fucking adults !!
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April 8, 2015 5:44pm
stigie

Damn knuckledragging progs !!
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April 8, 2015 6:05pm
Reid

Seeing as how we’ve got Captain Bananas on the case, I thought it’d be useful to show you this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Graham_(computer_programmer)#/media/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement-en.svg

Notice of course that while Captain Bananas probably hallucinates he’s in the top tier, in reality his comments almost always grovel around in the bottom 3 tiers, and while I haven’t yet, I’m pretty sure I could just scroll up and demonstrate that, by quoting his actual words. Thus of course, putting me in the top tier, re: Captain Bananas and his style of “debate.”
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April 8, 2015 6:09pm
Nostradamus

South Korea activist sends The Interview north

A South Korean activist has launched balloons carrying thousands of DVDs of a movie depicting a plot to assassinate North Korean leader Kim Jong-un across the border into the North.
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Lee said his balloons also contained political leaflets criticising Kim’s government and highlighting South Korea’s economic prosperity in hopes of inspiring North Korean people to resist the leadership in Pyongyang.
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Lee said he will continue to try to send the balloons into North Korea, saying the leaflets are an important source of outside information for North Koreans that could increase any demands for change.

Lee said he didn’t particularly enjoy The Interview, saying some scenes were too vulgar, but added it would be meaningful for North Koreans to see the worshipped Kim assassinated on screen.

🙂
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April 8, 2015 6:10pm
doggone7

Redbaiter @ 5:33 pm

Thanks again. I have read the NZ Curriculum. You persist in saying things like [our] “children are indoctrinated with Progressive and Green Fascist ideas” yet with all the repeated invitations can’t say how exactly.

I am pleased to respond even though you don’t want me to. The invitation was sealed with your magic word “worthless cant inspired by blinkered ignorance.” That would seem to be a field you are familiar with. As for “damn uneducated fools who are so blithely white anting New Zealand”, I defer to your experience there too.
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April 8, 2015 6:13pm
stephieboy

Reid and EAD, what common Illuminati symbols do you see daily hidden from sight ?

http://www.altheadlines.com/top-10-illuminati-symbols-hidden-in-plain-sight-13249963/
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April 8, 2015 6:15pm
Redbaiter

Hello Shawn Herles:

In your 12.48 post you said you were of the Eastern Band Cherokee, who did get a rough time, but I think it was well after the colonies stage of the United States.

I think to be recognised as Cherokee you have to trace one ancestor to the tribal rolls going back as far 130 years ago or more.

I doubt very much SH has even the slightest connection to any Cherokee tribe and his claims are the same kind of psychotic nonsense referred to here as “Fake Cherokee Syndrome”.

Or here for another story on the same weird psychosis.

Anyone who leaves messages all over the net containing small biographies wherein he can’t wait to mention he is Cherokee is IMHO suffering from some kind of mental instability. An instability closely associated I would guess with rank narcissism.

He can’t prove it, and the story he has told so far is full of holes you could drive a truck through. Someone like Nostradamus, who has the required level of patience and research ability, and if he was interested enough should track his statements down and check them for logicality and truth. I think he would soon find the whole story doesn’t add up.

In my view we're dealing here with someone who has serious psychological issues.
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April 8, 2015 6:19pm
Shawn Herles

“Notice of course that while Captain Bananas”

In reality Reid your use of “Captain Bananas” as well as “Galloping mentals” and “sheeple” puts you firmly at the bottom.
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April 8, 2015 6:21pm
Reid

Reid and EAD, what common Illuminati symbols do you see daily hidden from sight ?

Why do you ask the question stupidboy when you’ve already decided what our answer should be and try to pretend that’s what we think?

It’s called lying stupidboy. It’s also called libel. Sometimes people sue, not that I personally are going to on this blog. But you should stop it. Because it just makes you look like a giant dick. And frankly buddy, you don’t have that much cred here to start with, you don’t really want to start leaning into Penny’s territory, I would have thought.

Still, over to you, stupidboy. There’s a reason I call you that, you know.

In reality Reid your use of “Captain Bananas” as well as “Galloping mentals” and “sheeple” puts you firmly at the bottom.

And stupidboy, Captain Bananas. But congratulations for seeing the irony, and for getting over your bluster and rage long enough to click a link. Well done. It’s a start.

My point is of course that this is all you have, you have nothing more. I’m going to love it when you start dealing with the arguments, because you never, ever have. Not once. Ever. I can’t wait.

Captain.
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April 8, 2015 6:22pm
Shawn Herles

“Still, over to you, stupidboy. There’s a reason I call you that, you know.”

Yes. You are a child.
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April 8, 2015 6:25pm
stigie

Ones ego is devastated when one wont respond to a tormented soul !~
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April 8, 2015 6:28pm
Shawn Herles

“My point is of course that this is all you have, you have nothing more. I’m going to love it when you start dealing with the arguments, because you never, ever have. Not once. Ever. I can’t wait.”

I have dealt with your arguments many times. For example, I destroyed your claim that Neo-cons believe in the Rapture, and all you could do was run away. And thats not the only time I have caught you making factual errors.

Your hilarious claim that the Star of David is a symbol of the anti-Christ was another.

When you actually advance a serious argument with credible evidence that is based on anything more than evidence free conspiracy theories, and your own ignorance, I will happily deal with it.

But you never have. Not once.
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April 8, 2015 6:29pm
Reid

When you actually advance a serious argument with credible evidence, I will happily deal with it.

How do you know if its credible or not when you’ve never ever examined it?

Captain.

For example, here’s a purported quote from Solzhenitsyn. Because it’s on Rense, you can’t even look at the quote. You pretend it’s obvious this Nobel Prize Winner never ever said that, simply because the pic is on Rense. But what if he did say that. And why. Could you look at that question, Captain? Nobel Prize winner? Is that “credible” for you? Why oh why would a Nobel Prize winner say what Rense “alleges” he says? Can you look at that? Will you?

http://www.rense.com/1.mpicons/solzhenitsyn2a.jpg
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April 8, 2015 6:30pm
Viking2

Time for a chuckle?
A sexually active middle aged woman informed her plastic surgeon that she wanted her vaginal lips reduced in size because, over the years they have become loose and floppy.
Out of embarrassment, she insisted that the surgery be kept secret and, of course, the surgeon agreed.
Awakening from the anaesthesia, she found 3 roses carefully placed beside her on the bed. Outraged, she immediately called in the surgeon.
“I thought I specifically asked you not to tell anyone about my operation”!
The surgeon told her he had carried out her wish for confidentiality and that the first rose was from him. “I felt so sad for you, because you went through this all by yourself.”
“The second rose is from my nurse. She assisted me in the surgery and
understood perfectly, as she had the same procedure done some time ago.”
“And what about the third rose?” she asked.
“That’s from a man in the burn unit – he wanted to thank you for his new ears.
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April 8, 2015 6:30pm
nasska

Tonight looks promising stigie. Hours to go & already there’s blood on the keyboards. 🙂
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April 8, 2015 6:33pm
Nostradamus

A few days ago Penny Bright posted several comments on Kiwiblog in a manner that potentially exposed DPF to legal liability in relation to a court case involving name suppression. Penny should read this article closely:

A blogger accused of breaching a high-profile name suppression has been granted name suppression himself.

The 51-year-old appeared in Auckland District Court today facing two charges of contravening suppression orders made by Justice Helen Winkelmann – the former chief High Court judge, newly appointed to the Court of Appeal.

The Auckland-based blogger, who writes about corruption in New Zealand, is also charged with five counts of criminal harassment.

The complainants include a politician, civil servants, a real estate agent and the former partner of an Auckland businessman – all of whom feature prominently on his website.

It is alleged that both in August and December last year, the defendant named and posted photographs of two teens involved in a high-profile attack that left another teenager dead.

Their names and images, which were specifically suppressed by Justice Winkelmann at sentencing in the High Court at Auckland, are still up on the blog.

Breaching suppression carries a maximum penalty of six months in prison and/or a fine of up to $100,000.

This case appears to involve a direct breach of a suppression order. What Penny did, in my view, involved an indirect breach of a suppression order. Out of respect for DPF, she shouldn’t do that again.
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April 8, 2015 6:36pm
Shawn Herles

“How do you know if its credible or not when you’ve never ever examined it?”

Most of your claims are just re-cycled anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. I have examined those, and they are not credible.

” But what if he did say that. And why.”

He likely did. But he’s Russian and the Russians like to blame the Jews for their own problems. That does not make them right, it makes them bigots. Not all of them of course, but Jew-hatred is a Russian tradition. They invented the pogrom after all.

All it proves is that Russians have a long tradition of anti-Semitism.

You think it proves something about Jews because you are pre-disposed to hating Jews. But it really says much more about the Russians.

And you.
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April 8, 2015 6:38pm
stephieboy

Reid, just taking up where you left on in respect of Thomas Goodrich’s that finds favour in especially Neo Nazi circles and certain Conpiracy Theorists like you.
One Brian Jacquues made unsubstantiated claims in his book “Other Losses ” that Dwight D Eisenhower was resonsible for the systematic murder of an estimated 1 million German POWs post war.This preposterous claim is easily refuted in a review of the book here .The reviewer clearly shows how Jacques clearly misquoted and manipulated figures from his informant a US military official involved in the oversight of German POWs ,

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/02/24/books/ike-and-the-disappearing-atrocities.html

Besides if it was even say 500,000 there are many , many German families and relatives would like to know where the graves are Can Goodrich and yourself assist in this quest ?
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April 8, 2015 6:40pm
Viking2

A woman decided to have a face lift for her birthday. She spent $5000 and felt really good about the results. On her way home she stopped at a dress shop to look around. As she was leaving, she said to the sales clerk, “I hope you don’t mind me asking, but how old do you think I am?” “About 35,”he replied. “I’m actually 47,” the woman said, feeling really happy. After that she went into McDonald’s for lunch and asked the order taker the same question. He replied, “Oh, you look about 29.” “I am actually 47!” she said, feeling really good. While standing at the bus stop she asked an old man the same question. He replied, “I am 85 years old and my eyesight is going. But when I was young there was a sure way of telling a woman’s age. If I put my hand up your skirt I will be able to tell your exact age.” There was no one around, so the woman said, “What the hell?” and let him slip his hand up her skirt. After feeling around for a while, the old man said, “OK, You are 47.” Stunned, the woman said, “That was brilliant! How did you do that?” The old man replied, “I was behind you in line at McDonald’s.”
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April 8, 2015 6:48pm
stigie

Well, it has been a long time Nasska and we ain’t getting any younger ole chap !~ Rather soon have blood on the keyboard than fucking coffee !
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April 8, 2015 6:49pm
Viking2

A British General had sent some of his men off to fight for their country in the Falkland Island Crisis. Upon returning to England from the South American island, three soldiers that had distinguished themselves in battle were summoned to the General’s office. “Since we weren’t actually at war,” the General began, “I can’t give out any medals. We did, however, want to let each of you know your efforts were appreciated. What we’ve decided to do is to let each of you choose two points on your body. You will be given two pounds sterling for each inch of distance between those parts. We’ll start on the left, boys, so what’ll it be?”
Soldier 1: “The tip of me head to me toes, sahr!”
General: “Very good son, that’s 70 inches which comes to 140 pounds”
Soldier 2: “The tip of the finger on one outstretched hand to the tip of the other, sir!”
General: “Even better son, that’s 72 inches which comes to 144 pounds”
Soldier 3: “The palm of me hand to the tip of me left pinky, sahr!” General: “That’s a strange but fair request, son!” As the general begins the measurement: “What! Son, where is your left pinky?” Soldier 3: “Falkland Island, sahr!”
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April 8, 2015 6:49pm
Reid

He likely did. But he’s Russian and the Russians like to blame the Jews for their own problems. That does not make them right, it makes them bigots. Not all of them of course, but Jew-hatred is a Russian tradition. They invented the pogrom after all.

All it proves is that Russians have a long tradition of anti-Semitism.

You think it proves something about Jews because you are pre-disposed to hating Jews. But it really says much more about the Russians.

And you.

So in order to prevent the potential logical conclusion that Solzhenitsyn actually knew more about Bolsheviks and what they did than you, you condemn the entire Russian population for being potentially in fact almost certainly, anti-Semitic, to a man.

What?

Solzhenitsyn the Nobel Prize Winner for Literature?

See.

Something’s seriously wrong with you Captain Bananas. Something is really really broken in the common-sense dept of your mind, for you to come up with that explanation for that quote.

Case closed.

But for anyone else listening, I strongly suggest you follow up Solzhenitsyn’s quote. You’ll find out why he made it in his epic (suppressed) work “200 years together.”

Ask yourself why it’s suppressed after you’ve read it.

And BTW Captain, your response does confirm your position groveling around the bottom 3 tiers of the hierarchy, and I didn’t even need to scroll up to prove it.

Case closed. Again.
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April 8, 2015 6:50pm
Shawn Herles

“So in order to prevent the potential logical conclusion that Solzhenitsyn actually knew more about Bolsheviks and what they did than you, you condemn the entire Russian population for being potentially in fact almost certainly, anti-Semitic, to a man.”

No, but Russia has a documented history of anti-Semitism, and that is undeniable. And Solzhenitsyn was on the far Right of the spectrum. He despised democracy and like all Russians on the far Right, hated Jews.

“Solzhenitsyn the Nobel Prize Winner for Literature?”

Having a Nobel Prize does not make a person right on every issue. Obviously. Obama got one for doing nothing at all.

“Something’s seriously wrong with you Captain Bananas. Something is really really broken in the common-sense dept of your mind, for you to come up with that explanation for that quote.”

It’s called knowledge Reid. I have studied Christian history at an academic level, and I am very familiar with Russian Orthodoxy’s long hatred of the Jews.

You are ignorant of it because you get all your pseudo knowledge from conspiracy web sites and Neo-Nazi nutjobs.

And those are the facts Reid.
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April 8, 2015 6:56pm
Manolo

NZ alcohol nazis would be hopping mad: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102568186

South Korea’s economy may be on the brink of a deflationary spiral amid near-zero wage growth, but consumers are still spending big on one item: alcohol.
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April 8, 2015 7:00pm
Reid

More ad homina. Nothing about looking into the Nobel Prize Winner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Graham_(computer_programmer)#/media/File:Graham%27s_Hierarchy_of_Disagreement-en.svg

3rd from bottom: Responding to tone: criticizes the tone of the writing without addressing the substance of the argument: check

2nd from bottom: Ad homina – attacks the characteristic or authority of the writer without addressing the substance of the question – check

bottom: name calling: ~~not yet, but you will, won’t you, Captain Bananas.~~ Edit: I hadn’t read the last few lines of your 6.56. Check.

And before you get all hysterical over me calling you Captain Bananas, I’m the one whose raised the argument, you’re the one whose not responding to it. Go ahead and respond to it, and see what happens. But you won’t will you. Because you can’t.
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April 8, 2015 7:04pm
waikatogirl

Re: security issues at Henry Bennett “Secure” Psychiatric Unit.

Dr Nigel Murray tells TV news the reason numerous patients have been able to escape over the fence of this so-called secure unit, including the 2 dangerous guys who were re-captured today, and previously the woman who killed her neighbour with a claw hammer after escaping over the fence, the patient who threatened to jump off the Auckland Sky Tower, and 2 patients who threw themselves off the 8 story hospital car park building were able to get out is:

“that a fence surrounding The Henry Bennett “Secure” Psychiatric Unit would be too much of a reminder of the psychiatric units of the 60’s”.

How can it be a secure unit without a proper security fence????? Oxymoron!
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April 8, 2015 7:09pm
Shawn Herles

“More ad homina. Nothing about looking into the Nobel Prize Winner.”

No ad hominem at all Reid. Just facts that don’t suit your need to find excuses to hate Jews.

“And before you get all hysterical over me calling you Captain Bananas,”

I could care less. It makes you look childish, which is no skin off my back.

By the way, I have actually read The Gulag Archipelago by Solzhenitsyn.

Have you?

No, you haven’t. You just read some quotes that support your Jew hatred and then claim to be an expert on him because he confirms your bigotry.
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April 8, 2015 7:10pm
Manolo

@Reid: Two (but the same) questions: 1) Are you anti-Semitic?; 2) Why do you hate Jews with such passion?
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April 8, 2015 7:17pm
EAD

Reid,

I admire your patience dealing with General Bananas, but of all the people on the blog, he & Stupidboy are beyond help. They both suffer in a State of arrested development and nothing you will say, no matter how much reason and logic you present will cause them to even contemplate a different world to that they’ve been taught to believe.

Nothing, I repeat nothing, is allowed to challenge their world view and the more an argument does, the more it will set off their Pavlovian conditioned response. In Stephies case, more stupidity, in Bananas case, rage.

Bananas, here is an excellent article on Solzhenitsyn

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/the-incredible-disappearing-man.html
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April 8, 2015 7:19pm
Nostradamus

Waikato Girl:

You’ve commented on an important issue – here’s a link to the story.

It seems that the two men- both described as having “violent histories” – escaped by picking a lock, piling up outdoor furniture, and scaling a six-metre-high fence.

And back in 2010 Christine Morris also escaped the centre by scaling a fence before going home and killing her neighbour with a claw hammer. At the inquiry into that incident the coroner initially suggested making the fence she climbed more imposing but the DHB says that would be a return to the bad old days of locking away people with mental illness.

“To build fences around our entire mental health facility would take us back to the ’60s, maybe even the ’50s, of institutionalisation,” Mr Murray says.

So the District Health Board arrogantly rejected the Corner’s “initial suggestion” back in 2010. It was a very sensible suggestion in a way, but I’m not sure how much higher than six metres we should go. But look where we are are in 2015 – an “open door policy”.
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April 8, 2015 7:23pm
ex-golfer

Good job Mike Hosking on Seven Sharp.
Pointed out some FACTS in the latest “pimping the poor” series – ie: Child Support.
75% of people paying child support are better off or unchanged under the new scheme – paying the same or less than before.
Be nice if Simon “do not research” Collins could actually do some journalism.
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April 8, 2015 7:33pm
EAD

The ethnic angle of the Rolling Stone gang rape that is, of course, completely missing in the mainstream media

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/the-elephant-gets-ignored-again.html
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April 8, 2015 7:39pm
Shawn Herles

“Nothing, I repeat nothing, is allowed to challenge their world view and the more an argument does, the more it will set off their Pavlovian conditioned response.”

An accurate description of yourself and Reid EAD. Well done.
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April 8, 2015 7:46pm
Shawn Herles

“Bananas, here is an excellent article on Solzhenitsyn”

I counted three Neo-Nazi web sites on that blogs favored links.

What a surprise.

Nothing from the Ku Klux Klan today EAD?
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April 8, 2015 7:49pm
Nostradamus

I have no particular interest in the ongoing debate between Reid and Shawn Herles. However, context is everything, and Shawn may want to read this comment:

reid (17,475 comments) says:
January 5th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
…
Re the way that DPF in his post conflates Jews and Zionists, I asked DPF for his definition of a zionist some time ago and his agreed with mine, which is someone who advocates for the position of the State of Israel over and above the interests of all other nations, which is a concern when you consider many Zionists hold dual citizenship. Discussing zionism and its influence has nothing whatsoever to do with anti-Semitism because it’s addressing a political question not a racial one. On the issue of zionist debate it’s interesting to note the lack of it in the US about the influence say of AIPAC and the instant widespread excoriation of anyone who attempts to do so, such as in the case of Walt and Mearsheimer’s paper.

One other point: this is possibly a WordPress issue, but I’ve noticed that historical comments (2007 and earlier) don’t appear. As far as I can tell, this applies on a rolling basis, so next year comments made in 2008 will become caught in the net, and so on. I wonder if DPF is aware of this.
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April 8, 2015 7:51pm
Shawn Herles

“However, context is everything,”

It is. However, many anti-Semites have taken to hiding behind anti-Zionism as a cover, and in Reid’s case, he certainly has.

Every now and then the cover slips, and he will rant about Jews as a race, churning out the kind of batshit crazy stuff you find at Stromfront.

If it quakes like a duck…..
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April 8, 2015 7:54pm
stephieboy

EAD, the ethnic angle from Irrish Savant ,

“..Because this particular elephant is pure blood Jewish. The owner and published of RS, its Managing Editor, the “journalist” who concocted the story and the internal legal counsel who gave it the go-ahead – in fact all the decision-makers in the process – are Jewish. As is the co-author of the RS retraction article cited above. Yet this crucial fact gets the Nelson’s Eye treatment in just about every report.”

This is the gist of the Irish Savant claim of an Elephant in the Room which true to its form has to be Jewish coming from yet another Jew hating blog .

No Surprises really !

And you ?
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April 8, 2015 8:03pm
waikatogirl

Nostradamus: So the District Health Board arrogantly rejected the Corner’s “initial suggestion” back in 2010. It was a very sensible suggestion in a way, but I’m not sure how much higher than six metres we should go. But look where we are are in 2015 – an “open door policy”.
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Adding to the concern is that the unit is in Waikato hospital grounds, also across the road from housing and a 10 minute walk to the centre of Hamilton. Nevermind, it is all about the patients rights, the safety of the general public seems to be irrelevant.
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April 8, 2015 8:17pm
Reid

Every now and then the cover slips, and he will rant about Jews as a race

Captain Bananas has it ever occurred to you that if in fact say, you’re discussing the way the Israeli nation every now and then decides to slaughter a few thousand innocent women and children with white phosphorus artillery while the Western media pretends it’s a defensive action, that sometimes the finer distinctions between whose who in the evil dept might not be made?

I know it hasn’t, in case you think it’s a serious question.
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April 8, 2015 8:20pm
cricko

Now, good on David Garrett as the first Kiwiblogging correspondent to come out last nite and
declare which porn branch spun his wheels

Hey stephieboi,
and Shawn,
and Reid,
and EAD
and viking2

tell us which one does it for you and I will spill my guts as well.

Of course, nobody wants to hear from a sicko like uglytruth on that subject.

People can only take so much.

Readers would be intrigued.
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April 8, 2015 8:21pm
Reid

Waikatogirl: mental health professionals have a warped perspective. It’s all about wrapping patients in cotton wool.

Nothing about holding people to account for their own actions.

That’s where they go wrong.

Because most of them have bleeding hearts and no experience in the real world.

And they think that’s what the poor waif’s need.

If only they would ever learn, but I guarantee they won’t.

Nosty: Thanks.
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April 8, 2015 8:24pm
All_on_Red

Just for you V2

Paddy was driving down the street in a sweat because he had an important meeting and couldn’t find a parking place. Looking up to heaven he said “Lord take pity on me. If you find me a parking place I will go to Mass every Sunday for the rest of me life and give up me Irish whiskey!” Miraculously, a parking place appeared. Paddy looked up again and said “Never mind, I found one”.

A tour bus driver is driving with a bus load of seniors down a highway when he is tapped on his shoulder by a little old lady. She offers him a handful of peanuts, which he gratefully munches up.
After about 15 minutes, she taps him on his shoulder again and she hands him another handful of peanuts. She repeats this gesture about five more times. When she is about to hand him another batch again he asks the little old lady “Why don’t you eat the peanuts yourself?” “We can’t chew them because we have no teeth” she replied. The puzzled driver asks “Why do you buy them then?” The old lady replied “We just love the chocolate around them”.
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April 8, 2015 8:36pm
cricko

Reid, I interrupt myself to applaud your 8.24
Quite insightfull.

Start from the premise that most mental health professionals begin studying the subject because
they hope that they can get a handle on what it is that is wrong with themselves and go from there.

The majority of first year psycology students are mad as snakes in comparrison to the general population.

for eg check out the average class and see how many female students have scars on their arms from cutting
self harming.

It would be a revelation.
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April 8, 2015 8:39pm
nasska

….”tell us which one does it for you”…..

Shawn fantasises about being Reid’s sex slave! 🙂
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April 8, 2015 8:40pm
cricko

But seriously naaska,

some uni professer could make a name for themselves by getting a grant to conduct a survey
of female psycology students who have scars from self harming.
Not going to happen bucause..
Female professors may have to roll up their sleves.

Blokes don’t cut themselves, they do other shit.

Probably worse.

Thing is, there are very few mental health professionals who are not seriously fucked up themselves.
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