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hj

The Dark Lord takes the North Land – Peters’ win no victory for the working class

So the victory of someone who has carved out a political career for himself post-National by being the number one advocate of racist immigration controls, and who has continually scapegoated Asians as the cause of every problem from hospital waiting lists to Auckland house prices, is to be welcomed and Penny is “glad to have helped”.
While the lack of political clarity and inability to draw (and keep to) clear class lines was a feature of three main far-left groups during the InternetMana fiasco, the Peters’ campaign has indicated the political weakness of the non-revolutionary left elements, including quite militant people like Penny.

https://rdln.wordpress.com/2015/03/29/the-dark-lord-takes-the-north-land-peters-win-no-victory-for-the-working-class/

The Dark Lord is Marxism

‘As clover killed the fern, and the European dog the Maori dog, as the Maori rat was destroyed by the pakeha rat, so our people also will be gradually supplanted and exterminated by the Europeans’.“

http://rsnz.natlib.govt.nz/volume/rsnz_55/rsnz_55_00_003930.html

The acceptance that difference is innate and inevitably causes problems between groups such as Maori and pakeha has been simply transferred recently onto other population groups such as the Chinese.

https://rdln.wordpress.com/2013/12/17/analysing-the-white-new-zealand-policy-developing-a-theoretical-framework/

The attitudes of New Zealanders in the mid-1990s
towards immigration may not have reflected the positive perspective on the
value of diversity in our society that is contained in the Review of
Immigration Policy August 1986. But this does not mean that the globalisation
of immigration to New Zealand was an “unintended consequence of policy
changes in 1986”. It was a deliberate strategy, based on a premise that the
“infusion of new elements to New Zealand life has been of immense value to
the development of this country to date and will, as a result of this
Government’s review of immigration policy, become even more important in
the future” (Burke 1986:330).

In the absence of any evidence for the hyperbolic statement that the “infusion of new elements to New Zealand life has been of immense value to the development of this country ” and given the Marxist takeover of the social sciences and humanities in our academic institutions (who also train our lifetime public servants) it may be assumed that marxism was the ideology behind this:

process of population replacement

http://www.waikato.ac.nz/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/76554/nzpr02-28-bedford.pdf

Peters’ win no victory for the working class
Paul Krugman

My second negative point is that immigration reduces the wages of domestic workers who compete with immigrants. That’s just supply and demand: we’re talking about large increases in the number of low-skill workers relative to other inputs into production, so it’s inevitable that this means a fall in wages. Mr. Borjas and Mr. Katz have to go through a lot of number-crunching to turn that general proposition into specific estimates of the wage impact, but the general point seems impossible to deny.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/03/27/notes-on-immigration/?_r=0
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April 5, 2015 8:04am
Chuck Bird

Two very interesting and topical items in HOS.

NZ police are failing the public
5:00 AM Sunday Apr 5, 2015

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11427914

Herald on Sunday editorial: Police must earn public’s trust
5:00 AM Sunday Apr 5, 2015

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11427978
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April 5, 2015 8:04am
hj

More Kiwis think Asians are to blame for rising property prices

Asia New Zealand Foundation director of research Dr Andrew Butcher said housing and investment were clearly “sticking points” that many New Zealanders had trouble understanding.

People wanted someone to blame for inflated house prices, and in doing so did not always make the distinction between foreign buyers and Asian New Zealanders who had lived here for their whole lives, he said.
“They’re looking at people they perceive to be foreigners but probably aren’t, and saying, ‘well, it must be their fault’.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/home-property/67553691/more-kiwis-think-asians-are-to-blame-for-rising-property-prices

Economist Tony Alexander last year posted details on his website of what he told an inquiring Chinese journalist about the real levels of Asian involvement in the Auckland property market:

“My survey of real estate agents indicates about 20% of dwelling sales go to people located in China. There is no information on foreign purchasing of houses in NZ beyond that survey and much more work needs to be done before one can say deﬁnitively what the actual proportion is. More than a simple survey is needed for that. There is no information on the proportion of the housing stock currently owned by foreigners and certainly zero information on any of the characteristics of any of the foreign groups buying houses in New Zealand.

“With regard to Chinese buying of houses — I have yet to ﬁnd a single person in New Zealand who agrees with the survey results. Everyone believes that the true level of Chinese house buying in Auckland in particular is much higher than my survey suggests. The issue is rarely mentioned with regard to any other part of New Zealand,” says Alexander.

While there are those in the media, like Newstalk ZB breakfast host Mike Hosking, who take the official “two percent” ﬁgure at face value, those who are really in the know don’t. If only one house in 50 is being sold to foreigners, and Asian migrants make up around 20% of the Auckland population, why are Asian real estate agents so prevalent?

At Barfoot and Thompson, of the top 25 agents, 21 are Asian. It only makes genuine demographic sense, if economist Tony Alexander is correct and around 20% of houses are being sold to “people located in China”. Theyre often represented through New Zealand based companies and trusts probably for their own reasons but with the effect of masking the true impact of property sales to foreigners in the government’s ﬁgures.

A quick perusal of New Zealand homes on offer internationally is a quick reality check for anyone who doubts just how big the transference of real estate offshore actually is.

http://www.itsnotok.net.nz/#!interest-rates/cqns

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11216375
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April 5, 2015 8:05am
stigie

Oh good, DPF has put a post up below for the godwhacks, damn, fine, splendid !~
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April 5, 2015 8:12am
Pete George

Rodney Hide on National after Northland:

Key and National sail on as if nothing has happened. I fear their head-in-the-sand attitude reinforces the third-termitis that cost them Northland. There has been no acceptance of the loss and the need for change.

Outside the political bubble we can see it. Inside it’s harder to see. National’s defeat in Northland should have shaken the party; it hasn’t. That tells me it has lost touch and become arrogant.

That’s how it looks to me. Re Joyce – not over the Steven stumbles

Is Joyce on second strike, or is he already past his use-by date?
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April 5, 2015 8:12am
Longknives

The Herald ‘Police-Bashing’ Chuck? Surely not??
*I personally think they are in a sulk because their new ‘Poster Boy’ Lundy got convicted again….
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April 5, 2015 8:13am
wiseowl

And stuff the politicians that extended daylight saving.
Back to normal at last.
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April 5, 2015 8:15am
Jacob

New Zealand First will introduce a Bill in Parliament to remove name suppression from paedophiles where the victim/victims have not requested it, or are asking for it to be removed, Leader and candidate for the Northland by-election Rt Hon Winston Peters announced in Paihia today.
– Rt Hon Winston Peters
Wednesday, March 25, 2015

Why remove name suppression from paedophiles only?
The infamous Queenstown offender’s victim is an adult who still desires closure and wants others to be aware of the danger she believes the offender poses.
Another “prominent” person with name suppression has reputedly committed domestic violence.

Is New Zealand First’s law to be retro-spective, or apply to only new cases, and would the proposed sex offender register also be retrospective, or if not – would it just be incompletely useless?

How does New Zealand First intend to argue the case in Parliament when current suppression law would prevent naming anyone as an example, as set out in Standing Order 115?

If this law is ready to be introduced to Parliament last week, Winston Peters ought to be able to give a more detailed outline of intent.

[Removing Paedophile Name Suppression
Government Spikes Removal Of Paedophile Name Suppression Bill
Minister Says Removing Paedophile Name Suppression A Knee ‘Jerk Reaction’
– headlines, New Zealand First website
http://nzfirst.org.nz/search/content/name%20suppression ]
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April 5, 2015 8:20am
Chuck Bird

I agree Longknives.
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April 5, 2015 8:20am
hj

The people suspect: National is having an affair with the real estate/construction sector.
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April 5, 2015 8:25am
Dave Mann

It seems the ‘it’s all the government’s fault’ brigade aren’t just here in NZ. Time magazine reports that Kenyans think government corruption is the reason for al-Shabaab attacking their University and killing 148 people. Their article quotes several people (all with Muslim names) saying this.

While the Kenyan government probably isn’t the most streamlined example of democratic dedication to the welfare of the people, I hardly think that it’s their fault that a bunch of lunatic savages from next door keep carrying out viscous killings on their soil. I wonder if Time Magazine has a clue? Did they not realise that they were being fed Islamist propaganda but if so, why did they print this shit?

http://time.com/3771445/kenyans-blame-corrupt-government-al-shabaab-violence/
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April 5, 2015 8:25am
Chuck Bird

@Jacob

National are to introduce knee jerk legislation to a shocking crime if they think there are votes in it.

The Bristol case of the father who murdered his three children is one example. National was quick to introduce anti-father legislation.

Another example is the psychopath who stabbed his former girl friend over 200 times. That resulted in removing provocation as a partial defence. Not good legislation.
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April 5, 2015 8:28am
Nukuleka

I am celebrating a week of not having visited Whale Oil and was feeling so much the better for it until I read stigie’s 8.12 am post. Why oh why do such folk have to be so nastily anti-Christian that they begrudge DPF even posting a Happy Easter message to mark Easter Sunday?

Yes Stigie, we in New Zealand still acknowledge Easter Sunday as the day of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. If you are so upset about that fact then I suggest you lobby Parliament or get a petition together to remove it from our nation’s annual holidays. Go on, have the courage of your ungenerous convictions.
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April 5, 2015 8:30am
Odakyu-sen

Auckland housing prices. When everyone is talking about them, it’s a sure sign that there’s a bubble.

It’s not just in Auckland. Chinese investors are helping to prop up the Tokyo apartment market. How will newly married Mr. and Mrs. Tanaka ever be able to afford relatively cheap accommodation in their country’s biggest city…?
Source (in English): http://japanpropertycentral.com/2014/11/chinese-buyers-lured-by-tokyo-property-prices-and-yields/

Not only the NZ government is allowing Chinese investors to stimulate property prices. I feel sorry for the natives who can no longer afford to buy in the cities of their birth.

I don’t blame the Chinese as much as I blame governments for selling out their own people. (And the people who keep on voting for these politicians.)
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April 5, 2015 8:30am
IGM

It really irks me to read a column critical of police, written by a taxpayer-supported, left-wing, academic in a so-called metropolitan paper. I hope one day, this pathetic, useless leech needs their help urgently . . . and they are conveniently too busy to attend. This socialist drone is Bryce Edwards.

WO says “Stuff” are complaining because Mils would not have been named in NZ. Well, why did they clam up when an ex-Labour MP was found guilty of serious dishonesty charges, sweeping it under the carpet because he was a leftie and ex-activist? The double standards of MSM are unbelievable, especially when this ex-MP has continued, with impunity, in a public-funded position of self-indulgence, at times publishing socialist doctrine. Let’s not imagine the furore if he had been a National MP.
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April 5, 2015 8:32am
Pete George

“we in New Zealand still acknowledge Easter Sunday as the day of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. ”

That’s incorrect. Some choose to, some choose not to, some simply don’t.

We in New Zealand acknowledge the right to freedom of choice on worshipping (at least I think most of us do).

There’s likely to be many more people visiting MacDonalds than church today, revering the modern god of the masses, the marketing of stuff they don’t need.
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April 5, 2015 8:34am
Awww C-mon

Chuck Bird (5,165 comments) says:
April 5th, 2015 at 8:04 am
Two very interesting and topical items in HOS

I didnt find Edwards opinion piece all that interesting at all and took nothing to challenge my current thoughts from the editorial either. Edwards has slowly and by degree’s gone from offering a balanced and often insightful commentary to using a template of trying to show balance but in fact trojan-horsing his personal views and prejudice’s and attempting to alter debate and popular opinion.
The HOS has become a disgrace, like much of our media. We have an entire industry of talking heads who interview each other and back-slap their own importance.

What was the point of those commentary’s today? In regard to the Lundy case the police via the courts were challenged to show that they had the right man in-light of mistakes in their original conviction. They have done it successfully. I would have thought we could be congratulating them for that.
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April 5, 2015 8:36am
hj

In response to the story

Islam’s ~~appeal~~ birthrate ~~grows~~ biggest worldwide

The president of The Federation of New Zealand Islamic Associations, Dr Anwar Ghani, said it was not clear whether the study has taken into account the casualties in the war in Iraq and Syria and now Yemen.

“Wherever you turn in the Muslim world, it seems the number of Muslims are dying in greater numbers than they are producing so if that continues, then those positions seem a bit too high.”

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/270374/islam%27s-appeal-grows-worldwide
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April 5, 2015 8:36am
Pete George

” If you are so upset about that fact then I suggest you lobby Parliament or get a petition together to remove it from our nation’s annual holidays.”

It’s not an annual holiday.
April, Friday 3rd – Good Friday
April, Sunday 5th – Daylight Saving ends
April, Monday 6th – Easter Monday

– http://publicholiday.co.nz/nz-public-holidays-2015.html
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April 5, 2015 8:39am
hj

Odakyu-sen (1,234 comments) says:

I don’t blame the Chinese as much as I blame governments for selling out their own people
…..
Wash your mouth out!!
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April 5, 2015 8:40am
Dave Mann

NZ police are failing the public

No actually. What’s failing the public is a legal system which goes to extreme lengths to not only fail to punish criminals, but when they are occasionally found guilty to then throw massive resources into overthrowing the verdicts. And anyway, if a verdict is found to be’ unsafe’ this can’t be laid at the Police’s door…. the culprit is the prosecution and/or the court, not the cops who gathered the evidence.
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April 5, 2015 8:40am
kowtow

Aussies accused of racism. Since when was the death cult, Islam ,a race?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/australia-anti-islam-demonstrations-150404034222577.html
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April 5, 2015 8:43am
kowtow

Integration ,assimilation and the religion of peace. Once they get the numbers we’re fucked.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11515630/Muslim-group-with-links-to-extremists-boasts-of-influencing-election.html
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April 5, 2015 8:46am
Andrei

Is it any wonder that Islam is growing when the Western world is represented by deep thinkers like Pete George
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April 5, 2015 8:47am
Pete George

Metiria Turei seems to have been quiet lately, apart from posting about lost or dancing dogs on Facebook (five times).

Over the last two weeks she has barely featured in Parliament, with Russel Norman doing three questions (and other Greens doing eight) since her last one when she struggled to raise any enthusiasm against Bill English.

Has Metiria lost the Green mojo? (Apart from the Mathers one).
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April 5, 2015 8:51am
Odakyu-sen

hj,

… and the people that keep voting for them (don’t forget that part).

What’s your point? (Please explain it clearly to me.)

I prefer small government and minimal market interference. This is why I don’t like the government restricting housing supply by red tape, while at the same time opening the floodgates to cashed-up immigrants.

Who has the more fire-power? Ten 30-something Aucklanders, each with savings of $125,000 cash for the deposit on a house or one Hong-Kong ex-pat with $1,250,000 in cash and a line of cheap, offshore credit? (This is why simply looking at the number of immigrants can be misleading; you have to factor in their economic clout.)
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April 5, 2015 8:52am
Chuck Bird

@Awww C-mon

Thanks for your comment. I was wondering why I so many down ticks. Some may have thought I was supporting Edwards.

I thought articles worthy of debate. While the police like everyone make stupid mistakes I totally agree with you regards Lundy.

The police knew they had the right man but got some things wrong in the first trial. If is a shame they did not employ Bryan Bruce who got the times of the murders and Lundy’s trip right years before the second trial.
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April 5, 2015 8:57am
ross411

Nukuleka (640 comments) says:
April 5th, 2015 at 8:30 am
I am celebrating a week of not having visited Whale Oil and was feeling so much the better for it until I read stigie’s 8.12 am post. Why oh why do such folk have to be so nastily anti-Christian that they begrudge DPF even posting a Happy Easter message to mark Easter Sunday?

I was at my parents house the other week. Some pretty lady pushing a stroller came to the door and suggested we all coordinate praying at the same time for Jesus’ birthday. I was incredulous that she could believe the almost incomprehensible jibber-jabber she was talking, and it made me sad that her child would be indoctrinated with it. It was offensive to me that she thought she could come to the door and talk her crazy talk and expect to have it taken seriously.

Your post is hyperbole anyway. Again. This seems to be common for you. Stigie’s post was hardly nastily anti-Christian, unless you have this deluded entitlement that you can just spew nonsense at people and demand they take it seriously. There are other people in this world, and they don’t have to believe the arbitrary nonsense you’ve been indoctrined with. If you wish to have an audience that is receptive, go to the buildings your cult has established and talk to the other cult members. It’s not nasty to assert one’s belief, or you’d be the definition of it.
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April 5, 2015 9:01am
Griff

Yes Stigie, we in New Zealand still acknowledge Easter Sunday as the day of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. If you are so upset about that fact then I suggest you lobby Parliament or get a petition together to remove it from our nation’s annual holidays. Go on, have the courage of your ungenerous convictions.

Ain’t no “we”.
Its happy holidays not happy day of the Jesus zombie to the majority.

Fewer affiliate with Christian religions than in 2006

In 2013, the number of people who affiliated with a Christian religion (including Māori Christian) decreased to 1,906,398 (48.9 percent of all people who stated their religious affiliation), down from 2,082,942 (55.6 percent) in 2006.

People reporting no religion continues to increase

The number and proportion of people indicating they had no religion increased between 2006 and 2013. In 2013, more than 2 in 5 people (41.9 percent) reported they had no religion.

2013 – 1,635,345 people (41.9 percent of all people who stated their religious affiliation)
2006 – 1,297,104 people (34.6 percent)
2001 – 1,028,049 people (29.6 percent).

Younger people were more likely to indicate they had no religion.

http://www.stats.govt.nz/Census/2013-census/profile-and-summary-reports/quickstats-culture-identity/religion.aspx
Looking of the the demographics it is obvious that as the aged shuffle of this mortal coil the number citing no religion will probably become a majority within the next decade in New Zealand .

ps Dime posting your religious thoughts on the Easter thread will not be debated by me.
On GD its open season as always.
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April 5, 2015 9:05am
Nookin

Chuck
While the Weatherstone case may have been the final straw, the abolition of the defence of provocation was hardly knee-jerk. The abolition of the defence had been reccommended by the Law Commission years before and, from memory, re-iterated a couple of years before the repeal. Other inquiries also reccommended its repea.
To be fair to your view, Weatherstone may have been the catalyst. There was also another case at the same time where, I think, the defence was successful. Those simply put the abolition up the priority list rather than caused it in the first place.
Sure, there were some lawyers who thought it was a retrograde step. On the other hand, Weatherstone showed how much of a mess the law was and no-one can really explain why someone who kills someone else should be acquitted of murder because the victim provoked him. Surely that it a matter for sentencing?
If the government did nothing it would have been accused of being out of touch. Now it is accused of vote buying.

A question for you: why should any family or friend go thru what the Elliots went thru? Greg King legitimately raised the defence. Sure, it wasn’t upheld but it was arguable. And it was only arguable because it was a shambles. Few have mourned its passing.
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April 5, 2015 9:10am
stephieboy

hj, of course people will blame Asians for housing prices and shortages .They constitute the bulk of the present influx immigrants .What else would one expect ?

.But I somehow doubt you would be saying this if the bulk were Anglo Saxons and other pale faces especially from Northern Europe.

The housing crises is a combination ot a number of things including the Real Estate industry who appeare to have a vested interest in the shortages and inflation of house values and prices .

I will agree though ,immigration does need curtailing , but that would involve all ethic and racial groups which might not sit well with you.
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April 5, 2015 9:16am
dime

Pete – I see you’re in full cocksmoker mode today.

I’ll leave you all to it.
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April 5, 2015 9:16am
Simon

“There’s likely to be many more people visiting MacDonalds than church today, revering the modern god of the masses, the marketing of stuff they don’t need.’

McD has got nothing on those cunts in wellington when it comes to marketing shit people dont need.
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April 5, 2015 9:28am
Nookin

Dime is off to Church. I have to mow the lawns.
Are the crusaders on the way back? Maybe Penny can give her views when she emerges from her temple.
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April 5, 2015 9:42am
Lucia Maria

I’ll be going to church and McD’s.
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April 5, 2015 9:45am
Reid

It’s amazing how easily simple-minded village idiots who can’t think get all confused about a simple thing like root cause.

What I’ve heard people say about house prices in Akld is that it’s immigrants who are responsible for them. And since those immigrants happen to be Asian that that is sometimes used as a shorthand for immigrants.

And a whole lot of morons like stupidboy, naturally then get all confused about whose saying what because apparently it’s all so very complicated for them, and the idiots then hallucinate that those people who are pointing to the obvious, evidential and factual and true root cause, are being all wacist.

Par for the course, when you’re dealing with idiotboy et al.
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April 5, 2015 9:51am
Sponge

Dime is off to Church.

I really hope not. The hooker renting dime was much more entertainment.
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April 5, 2015 9:54am
SGA

Sponge at 9:54 am

The hooker renting dime was much more entertainment.

I think you mean “hooker-renting”, but the way you’ve written it has its own charm.
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April 5, 2015 10:01am
SGA

Nookin at 9:10 am

There was also another case at the same time where, I think, the defence was successful.

That rings a bell – gay guy took someone home, tried something on, straight guy beat him to death. Something like that.
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April 5, 2015 10:14am
Fifi la Belle

I’m always gay.

Well, nearly always.
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April 5, 2015 10:26am
Paul Marsden

The elephant in the room regarding the level of Auckland house prices are either off shore and/or, local Chinese buyers. Ask any real estate agent in private, and they will tell you that is the Chinese whom are buying up Auckland’s housing stock ** for cash**, not only for themselves, but for their families and business associates. Of course, the Government denies it and keeps their head in the sand over this issue, and the real estate industry will not publicly confirm this either, after all, turkeys don’t vote for an early Christmas. In addition, and for some time now, real estate agents such as B & T have been active in China selling residential and industrial real estate which continues to channel (and will continue to channel) Chinese buyers into the Auckland property market. It is my view, that increasing the availability of housing stock in Auckland will neither stabilise prices or, curb their upward spiral. There are millions of Chinese buyers with millions of dollars to spend, just champing at the bit to buy a slice of NZ. Only pragmatic, government legislation restricting foreign buyers of NZ real estate, will curb the problem.
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April 5, 2015 10:32am
Reid

Interesting comment on Ukraine from Pepe Escobar. He’s one of the few astute MSM journalists left.

It’s a given of course that Washington is behind it, it’s just ridiculous to argue otherwise and from here on I won’t even bother engaging with anyone here who wishes to contest that point, it’s just a waste of time because not even to understand that profoundly basic reality means one is clearly dealing with a geopolitical moron who understands nothing about anything. But given that’s the case, the more interesting question is why? I’ve heard one explanation that makes sense although it’s a bit out there, but Escobar refers to the desire to disrupt China’s New Silk Road as being the motivation. That makes a lot of sense.

http://russia-insider.com/en/donbass-real-war-has-yet-start/5306

http://rt.com/op-edge/246481-putin-us-policy-russia/
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April 5, 2015 10:39am
Manolo

Making fun of the US administration: http://nypost.com/2015/04/04/translated-version-of-iran-deal-doesnt-say-what-obama-claims-it-does/

“Iran Agrees to Detailed Nuclear Outline,” The New York Times headline claimed on Friday. That found an echo in the Washington Post headline of the same day: “Iran agrees to nuclear restrictions in framework deal with world powers.”

But the first thing to know about the highly hyped “historic achievement” that President Obama is trying to sell is that there has been no agreement on any of the fundamental issues that led to international concern about Iran’s secret nuclear activities and led to six mandatory resolutions by the United Nations Security Council and 13 years of diplomatic seesaw.
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April 5, 2015 10:45am
Lance

No Paul

Build more houses, the problem goes away.
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April 5, 2015 10:48am
Paul Marsden

Lance (2,914 comments) says:

April 5th, 2015 at 10:48 am
No Paul

Build more houses, the problem goes away.

Vote: 0 1Report abusive comment

No it won’t. Under curent rules and regulations, supply can not and will not, keep up with market demand.
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April 5, 2015 10:58am
publicwatchdog

So HJ – ‘the interests of the working class’ would have been better served by National holding Northland, and having 60 MPs rather than 59?

Sheesh!

Seems some folks need to learn how to do basic electoral maths and learn basic political ‘commonsense’?

Once they remove their political heads from their political bottoms?

Meant of course in a caring way 🙂

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 5, 2015 10:59am
publicwatchdog

NZ First opposed the Employment Relations Amendment Act 2014.

FACT.

After John Banks resigned from Parliament before the 2014 election, National didn’t have the numbers to pass this legislation.

FACT.

Numbers of MPs in the House matter when it comes to passing ‘anti-worker’ legislation.

FACT.

‘Common sense’ ?

I think so.

Just saying……

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 5, 2015 11:12am
Lance

Paul wrote
“Under current rules and regulations”

And there in a nutshell is the problem.
A bunch of FUCKWITS have screwed up Auckland’s housing by making it difficult to build a house and now it’s the Asians fault?
And now we have the boof heads up north voting in Winston who is only going to make it worse… nice one.
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April 5, 2015 11:17am
Reid

Wall Street Journal: Israel Caught Red-handed Aiding al-Qaeda in Syria

For all those who remain caught up in the Western propaganda delusion that it’s the West who are the firefighters and not the fire setters in the war on terror:

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/04/04/wall-street-journal-israel-caught-red-handed-aiding-al-qaeda-in-syria/
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April 5, 2015 11:18am
Reid

Build more houses, the problem goes away.

Tell new immigrants they can’t settle in Akld for the first ten years of their residency, and the problem also goes away. Immediately. The day after you announce it.
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April 5, 2015 11:19am
Lance

@Reid
WTF?

State control of persons location is the answer?
I don’t know if you got the memo but Communism failed.
Also there is at present large scale shortage of houses in Auckland so HOW does forcing new immigrants to go to other locations solve the existing shortage in Auckland instantly?

Utter drivel
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April 5, 2015 11:26am
Lance

Also Reid, so would like Auckland have border controls and an Auckland passport with roaming enforcement officers catching the un-entitled hiding in Auckland. What a friggin nightmare.
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April 5, 2015 11:28am
Odakyu-sen

Reid,

“Tell new immigrants they can’t settle in Akld for the first ten years of their residency…”

You’re joking. right? How on earth would you police such a scheme?

I wouldn’t want to give the State any more power than it has already.
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April 5, 2015 11:30am
Reid

Lance, you’re allowed to tell visitors to your home how you wish them to behave, this is no different in any way to that same principle.

HOW does forcing new immigrants to go to other locations solve the existing shortage in Auckland instantly

Lance, we’re getting approx 50,000 new families per year into NZ, they all have money and most of them want to live in Akld. WTF do you think that’s going to do to prices in a city the size of Akld? Each and every year, year after year after year….

This has been happening since before the GFC but it’s reached a head of steam since the GFC and National has been in full scale denial mode as to this being the real root cause behind the property price boom because this is one of the main ways it’s staved off the consequences of the GFC in our largest political marketplace. The fact it’s produced a 2-speed economy and changed the face of our nation without us having the opportunity even to discuss it, is apparently, neither here nor there to National and I guarantee Liarbore would have done the precise same thing had it been up to them.

And now its reached the point where doing anything about it is going to piss off every single property owner in Akld and so it’s never going to do that and the elephant is simply going to get bigger and bigger and bigger as each day goes by and it’s going to be terribly amusing watching all the politicians try to ignore it as it gets more and more obvious.

How on earth would you police such a scheme?

You can’t buy property without declaring your identity, can you. Plus, you just make deportation an automatic consequence of not obeying the policy. Simple. And if you really wanted to you could also make withdrawel of PR and even citizenship for a non-native NZer and deportation, the penalty for anyone who facilitated people to break the law. And that would take care of Asians who let their homes out to law breakers because you’d better believe there’d be a big demand for it.
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April 5, 2015 11:34am
Colville

We just need a JAFFA tax. Anyone within a hours drive of the skytower gets smacked with it. People will vote with their feet if its costing to much to stay.

I know Len Brown is trying to price Auckland out of reach but we need more! 😉

Edit. and I mean an hours drive on a Tuesday midnight, not in gridlock!
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April 5, 2015 11:38am
hj

stephieboy (4,974 comments) says:
April 5th, 2015 at 9:16 am

hj, of course people will blame Asians for housing prices and shortages .They constitute the bulk of the present influx immigrants .What else would one expect ?

.But I somehow doubt you would be saying this if the bulk were Anglo Saxons and other pale faces especially from Northern Europe.
….
Ahh you suspect I’m human?

http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2014/06/RIR-140604.php
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April 5, 2015 11:41am
stephieboy

Reid, Pepe Escobar MSM ? A Journo whose made a number of appearances on RT ,Alex Jones, Sibel Edmonds Boling Frogs Show etc
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April 5, 2015 11:43am
wat dabney

“It is my view, that increasing the availability of housing stock in Auckland will neither stabilise prices or, curb their upward spiral. ”

Good for you. Forget what basic economics teaches us, you just tell us what you think.
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April 5, 2015 11:43am
publicwatchdog

I predict that in the 2017 General Election (if there is not an earlier snap election), that parties on the so-called ‘left’ – will drop their ‘two ticks’ electoral policy, and work together more strategically on the electorate vote in key electorates, while campaigning hard for the party vote.

ie: They will look at ‘doing a Northland’ – now that it has proven to have worked.

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 5, 2015 11:44am
Lance

So Reid is all for a Police State

Fuck that!!!!!

Back to original point Reid

Build more FUCKING HOUSES.
If the council is in the way, bypass them, if the RMA is in the way, change it so it doesn’t take an age for consent, colossal fees, consulting (and paying) every bloody Iwi and their dog over every tree, bush and lizard, and make land available.

Do that and the demand will be met, the price speculators will make no money so they will piss off and an equilibrium will be found.
Why of why do I have to elaborate on the bleeding obvious every fucking time!
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April 5, 2015 11:46am
Reid

We just need a JAFFA tax. Anyone within a hours drive of the skytower gets smacked with it.

So basically just the CBD then?

Bwahahahahahahahaha.

Seriously, Auckland is such a terrific shithole, I really don’t understand why the hell anyone wants to live there, let alone pay a million plus interest for the “privilege.”

So Reid is all for a Police State

No-one is forcing anyone to fill in an application and apply to come and live here, Lance. And we do have the perfect right to make rules about what happens in our own country. What about that don’t you understand? Also no-one is saying we shouldn’t also build more houses, at the same time.
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April 5, 2015 11:48am
wat dabney

“Debunking the Myth of the Job-Stealing Immigrant”

‘the economic benefits of immigration may be the most settled fact in economics. A recent University of Chicago poll of leading economists could not find a single one who rejected the proposition.‘

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/29/magazine/debunking-the-myth-of-the-job-stealing-immigrant.html?_r=0

And on the other side of the argument we have obsessives like hj with their endless posts about why blacks and Jews shouldn’t be allowed into New Zealand.

(It may actually be Asians he continually rants about, but there is no moral difference.)
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April 5, 2015 11:49am
Odakyu-sen

I’m no Greenie, but I do agree with the notion of “sustainability.” I also don’t like Ponzi schemes.

How do these things develop? How do a nation’s demographics change over time? What is the “pig-in-the-python effect”?

(You probably all know all about demographic theory, but I am killing time before lunch. I’m hungry (due to the end of daylight saving) but my wife won’t let me eat until noon (she’s cooking lunch today). My stomach begs to differ. It thinks it’s 1 p.m.)

Having a pyramid-shaped demographic chart (with lots of youngsters supporting relatively few oldies) is fine and dandy, but it is still a pyramid, and like a lot of pyramid schemes, it is unsustainable. Such a chart is great for a nation as there are so many tax-payers and so few seniors to support. The problem is that you have to maintain the triangular shape of the demographic chart in order for it to continue to work. Your population has to keep growing forever.

This doesn’t work, for obvious reasons. In Japan today, the youngsters are saying “screw this” and are not having kids. So what happens to the tax base? Japan has all these elderly people who have become accustomed to being well looked after. The only problem is that they vote, and they are going to vote for more money for themselves. At this point, things get messy. In the end, if the economic system collapses, the young will survive because that’s what they do. The old need the young, but the young don’t need the old to survive.

The elderly in Japan are going to have to tough it out or die for the sake of their country. (And they’ve done that before. The Japanese are quite good at this, actually.) Once this bulge in the demographic chart (the pig in the python) passes through, the population can eventually stabilize. There will be more resources for the younger Japanese. Once they get to the situation where one spouse can support a family, then the Japanese will start having more children. But until that day, they won’t.
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April 5, 2015 11:50am
publicwatchdog

In my view, New Zealand needs a nationally co-ordinated population, migration and regional growth strategy.

Why does all this ‘growth’ have to come to Auckland?

Whose interests are served by this Auckland ‘market’ madness?

Property developers, speculators, overseas investors and financial institutions?

What about the majority of Auckland citizens and ratepayers and local communities?

How do WE benefit from this Auckland property ‘market madness’?

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 5, 2015 11:52am
hj

stephieboy (4,974 comments) says:
.But I somehow doubt you would be saying this if the bulk were Anglo Saxons and other pale faces especially from Northern Europe.
…
You are right and wrong
On one level

Ethnic groups derived from the same historical founder population often continue to speak related languages and share a similar gene pool.

this puts us on first cousin basis

On another level if i can migrate to a first world western country (without being a multi millionaire) it is a fair swap.
On another level everyone’s living space, community and quality of life is being hit and the process for those caught up in it is ugly. If for example we had a situation like Singapore where the state owns 80% of the land and redeveloped with pizzas it wouldn’t seem so bad.
Smothering it all in a big lie about diversity dividend is just sick. We are told what to see and how to think – very much like the Soviet Union.
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April 5, 2015 11:59am
Paul Marsden

wat dabney (4,064 comments) says:

April 5th, 2015 at 11:43 am
“It is my view, that increasing the availability of housing stock in Auckland will neither stabilise prices or, curb their upward spiral. ”

Good for you. Forget what basic economics teaches us, you just tell us what you think.”

Basic economics tells me about the principles of supply and demand. Demand for Auckland property will continue to exceed supply, regardless of any changes to bureaucratic obstacles which currently impede housing construction. This demand is been fueled by cashed–up Chinese whom have an insatiable thirst for NZ property, also encouraged, endorsed and facilitated by the SCPRC in keeping with their global, political goals.
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April 5, 2015 12:10pm
hj

publicwatchdog (3,918 comments) says:
April 5th, 2015 at 11:52 am

In my view, New Zealand needs a nationally co-ordinated population, migration and regional growth strategy.

Why does all this ‘growth’ have to come to Auckland?

…
Why do we need such high immigration? Where is the work apart from migrant servicing? What would happen if immigration halted. Would there be an export led economy to compensate? Lump of labour may be a fallacy but that doesn’t mean labour at any particular rate of remuneration. We are geographically disadvantaged and manufacturing requires fewer and fewer workers. There is no clever plan here just short-termism (greasing vested interests). The only clever plan I have seen is [ } Callaghan and we aren’t going down that route we are headed down the low wage services sector route.
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April 5, 2015 12:10pm
Keeping Stock

What about the majority of Auckland citizens and ratepayers and local communities?

Spoken like a true rates avoider. Pay your seven year rate debt Penny, then you can have an opinion. Until then, don’t try to take the moral high ground.
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April 5, 2015 12:34pm
hj

Wat Dabney

And yet the economic benefits of immigration may be the most settled fact in economics. A recent University of Chicago poll of leading economists could not find a single one who rejected the proposition.

Leaves out

(There is one notable economist who wasn’t polled: George Borjas of Harvard, who believes that his fellow economists underestimate the cost of immigration for low-skilled natives. Borjas’s work is often misused by anti-immigration activists, in much the same way a complicated climate-science result is often invoked as “proof” that global warming is a myth.) Rationally speaking, we should take in far more immigrants than we currently do.

[note this is University of Chicago]
but there’s more (Paul Krugman):

Immigration is an intensely painful topic for a liberal like myself, because it places basic principles in conflict. Should migration from Mexico to the United States be celebrated, because it helps very poor people find a better life? Or should it be condemned, because it drives down the wages of working Americans and threatens to undermine the welfare state? I suspect that my March 27 column will anger people on all sides; I wish the economic research on immigration were more favorable than it is.

In writing this piece I drew mainly on three sources, research papers by economists I know and trust. First is a paper, “Immigration Policy,” by Gordon H. Hanson (pdf) of the University of California at San Diego, . Mr. Hanson is one of my former students, and a leading expert on all matters having to do with U.S.-Mexican economic relations, especially issues having to do with income distribution. This paper gives a good overview of the (small) gains from immigration and the fiscal impacts.

Second is a paper by George Borjas and Lawrence Katz of Harvard, “The Evolution of the Mexican-Born Workforce in the United States.” (pdf). Mr. Borjas is a leading expert on immigration issues; Mr. Katz is one of America’s leading labor economists.

Third is a paper by Mr. Hanson, Matthew Slaughter of Dartmouth (another former student) and Kenneth Scheve (pdf) of the University of Michigan. This paper alerted me to the way immigration penalizes more generous states.

Like all research results, the conclusions of these papers may have to be revised in the light of future research. But I’m afraid that the three negative conclusions I stressed in the column are fairly robust.

Paul krugman
Notes on Immigration
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/03/27/notes-on-immigration/?_r=0
In NZ we have

The Savings Working Group will be chaired by experienced company director and consultant Kerry McDonald. Other Working Group members are:

Dr Craig Ansley – Capital Markets Research director.
Dr Andrew Coleman – Motu Economic and Public Policy Research senior fellow.
Mary Holm – financial columnist, Auckland University senior lecturer.
Dr John McDermott – Reserve Bank assistant governor.
Paul Mersi – PricewaterhouseCoopers partner.
Stephen Toplis – Bank of New Zealand head of research.

The Working Group will be supported by Treasury, which will shortly publish a discussion paper setting out savings and investment issues and trends.

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/wide-brief-expert-group-savings-options
“The big adverse gap in productivity between New Zealand and other countries opened up from the 1970s to the early 1990s. The policy choice that increased immigration – given the number of employers increasingly unable to pay First-World wages to the existing population and all the capital requirements that increasing populations involve – looks likely to have worked almost directly against the adjustment New Zealand needed to make and it might have been better off with a lower rate of net immigration. This adjustment would have involved a lower real interest rate (and cost of capital) and a lower real exchange rate, meaning a more favourable environment for raising the low level of productive capital per worker and labour productivity. The low level of capital per worker is a striking symptom of New Zealand’s economic challenge.
”
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/reviews-consultation/savingsworkinggroup/pdfs/swg-report-jan11.pdf

and Michael Reddel
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/downloads/pdfs/mi-jarrett-comm.pdf
http://www.rbnz.govt.nz/research_and_publications/seminars_and_workshops/Mar2013/5200823.pdf

and the guarded approach in Treasury paper 14-10
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2014/14-10

Plus the Australian Productivity Commison etc, etc, etc….

So your claim of a consensus is misleading (to put it mildly)
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April 5, 2015 12:35pm
Scott Chris

The latest action figure:

http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=13443#.VSCTnfmUe2E

(I’m sure God has a sense of humour)
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April 5, 2015 1:47pm
Scott Chris

But wait! There’s more!
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April 5, 2015 1:53pm
dime

always blaming the asians.

how bout blaming the DPB. instead of a man & woman living together, they live apart in separate houses…

how many people in auckland on the dpb? 50,000?? theres your housing problem.
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April 5, 2015 1:58pm
big bruv

Note the way that our compliant media is running PR for the NZ rugby payer arrested in the UK. Already we are seeing stories very heavily weighted in favour of the rugby player.
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April 5, 2015 2:50pm
Gulag1917

Adding fuel to the fire.
Israel has given the go-ahead for the construction of 829 new Jewish squatter homes in the occupied West Bank.
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April 5, 2015 3:11pm
wiseowl

Excellent letter to the editor re Islam in the ODT today.
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April 5, 2015 3:27pm
Colville

big bruv @ 2.50

The media have weighted the story in favour of the rugby player with facts like he has been released and not charged?

I am shocked!
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April 5, 2015 3:27pm
RF

big Bruv. 2.50pm.

Thank god the boof head will be subjected to UK Justice and if found guilty will be treated the same as any other another person who has broken the law.
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April 5, 2015 3:38pm
Nostradamus

This article raises so many questions…

Fat people are rarely seen being intimate on screen and this reinforces negative attitudes towards them, says Dr Cat Pause, a senior lecturer and fat studies researcher at Massey University. She believes, given that people are getting heavier, sex between larger people should be part of normal television viewing

Good grief – a “fat studies researcher”?

“You rarely see fat TV characters, especially women, involved in normal human activities like having sex,” she said. “But fat people do have sex and a lot of them have really hot sex.”

Geez…

Pause — who estimates her own weight to be about 140kg — has contributed a chapter to an upcoming book about fat sexuality called Fat Sex: New Directions in Theory and Activism.

Oh. My. Goodness.

Pause, who hosts a fat-positive weekly radio show called Friend of Marilyn, added she would like to see fat people in significant TV roles.

A “fat-positive weekly radio show”?

More details – all you never knew about “fat studies” – here.
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April 5, 2015 3:58pm
Manolo

Will AIPAC remain loyal to the Messiah? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/05/cracks-appear-in-democrat-jewish-alliance-in-wake-iran-agreement/
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April 5, 2015 4:08pm
Manolo

The Greek communists lied. What a surprise. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-32154876

The Greek government made “completely unrealistic promises” to voters that it cannot now fulfil, the former European Commission president has said.

Jose Manuel Barroso, who left the key post last October, said that Alexis Tsipras’s Syriza-led administration lacked experience. Greece’s demands were “completely unacceptable to other countries”, he told the BBC’s Business Live programme.
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April 5, 2015 4:14pm
Griff

Nostradamus
I really dont know to down tick that or not
it is a good post on the stupidity of some post modernist study’s
Fat people all sweaty and breathless rutting ewwwwwww
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April 5, 2015 4:20pm
Nostradamus

Griff:

You could ask yourself this question: what is the purpose of a tertiary education?

For many people, the ultimate purpose is to become qualified (or to add to their existing qualifications) and to get a job.

Now, if you were a twenty-something person and deciding what to study at university, would “fat studies” – perhaps with a major in fat sexuality – be an obvious pathway to employment?
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April 5, 2015 4:34pm
hj

Here’s what the New York Times did not mention about leading economists’ views on immigration

It appears that the poll cited by Adam Davidson is here and is limited to the aggregate effect of high-skilled immigrants:

The average US citizen would be better off if a larger number of highly educated foreign workers were legally allowed to immigrate to the US each year.

But concern about immigration is not limited to high-skilled immigrants and is not limited to the aggregate effect: a major concern is that low-skilled immigrants will have a negative effect on the poorest and most vulnerable Americans. There was a recent University of Chicago poll of leading economists on that concern, and that poll found more than a single economist to agree with that proposition; fifty percent, actually:

http://www.ljzigerell.com/?p=3043

Not so impressive Dabney?
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April 5, 2015 4:37pm
Nostradamus

And from the weird files:

A federal judge has ordered that a California prison inmate be allowed to undergo gender reassignment surgery.

Should the operation occur, it will be the first in state prison history and cost as much as $100,000, according to Joyce Hayhoe, spokeswoman for California Corrections Health Care Services.

No problem – as long as the inmate pays the bill. Oh – silly me – the taxpayer will pay!

US District Court Judge Jon Tigar in San Francisco ruled on Thursday (local time) that Michelle-Lael Norsworthy’s constitutional rights were being violated if the inmate’s “serious medical need” was not met, according to the ruling.

Norsworthy, 51, is housed at Mule Creek State Prison in Ione. Norsworthy, born Jeffrey Bryan Norsworthy, was convicted of murder, according to the Associated Press.

Where do the constitutional rights of the murder victim sit in all of this malarkey?

Norsworthy, who has identified as a woman since the 1990s, has suffered severe dysphoria, or dissatisfaction with her life, because of her natural-born gender, Tigar said in the ruling.

“The weight of the evidence demonstrates that for Norsworthy, the only adequate medical treatment for her gender dysphoria” is sexual reassignment surgery (SRS), he said.

Words fail me. You’d think a person serving time in prison might have bigger-picture concerns.
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April 5, 2015 4:42pm
Pete George

Any farmers care to comment on this?

We have enough land, that’s not the issue. We might end up with too many people, so at some point we will need either a steady state economy or degrowth.

But the soil issue is how we farm the land we have not how much land we farm. Currently farming practices deplete soil, and the recent decades of extractive farming have accelerated that to a rate that is completely unsustainable.

So is our farm productivity decreasing? Or is it going to crash in the future?

That was a comment in response to a post that includes:

Landowners around the world are now engaged in an orgy of soil destruction so intense that, according to the UN’s Food and Agriculture Organisation, the world on average has just 60 more years of growing crops. Even in Britain, which is spared the tropical downpours that so quickly strip exposed soil from the land, Farmers Weekly reports, we have “only 100 harvests left”.

From George Monbiot in The Guardian.
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April 5, 2015 4:46pm
Longknives

I see the All Black Sevens got beaten again by a supposed ‘lowly’ side..
Funny how the adoring NZ Media conveniently forgets that they are the ‘All Blacks’ when they are losing!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/sevens/67615901/canada-stun-new-zealand-in-word-sevens-event-in-tokyo
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April 5, 2015 4:51pm
nasska

I suspect that you have led a sheltered life Nostra. Five minutes observance of the footpath between Liquor King & Kentucky Fried in Masterton on any benefit day would confirm that not only is 140kg relatively svelte but an excellent weight for breeding.
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April 5, 2015 4:54pm
Yvette

Nostradamus
So they will replace Kona “Kono” Kalakaua in HAWAII FIVE-O with someone who weighs 140kg ?
They would have to make the ad breaks longer to give her time to catch up 🙂
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April 5, 2015 5:04pm
Nostradamus

Nasska:

I suspect that you have led a sheltered life Nostra.

Well, if one chalks up life experience by standing on the footpath between Liquor King & Kentucky Fried in Masterton, then I’ll choose a sheltered life!

I wonder whether Left Right and Centre (if he’s around) has special insights from the Greater Porirua region?
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April 5, 2015 5:05pm
nasska

PG

….”So is our farm productivity decreasing? Or is it going to crash in the future?”….

Overseas in countries such as Canada, the USA & Russia reliant on traditional farming practises to grow cereal crops there is IMHO opinion a very real problem.

In NZ less so. We grow grass & we’re pretty good at it. Grass has to be resown at about seven year intervals & in the past this involved the normal ploughing discing etc which left the soil exposed until cover was re-established. Nowadays we spray out with glyphosphate & direct drill the seeds without disturbing the ground.

The biggest danger is (as usual) the treehuggers. With the Greens being anti everything, including Roundup, the next generations of farmers may have to revert to traditional agriculture. Then we’ll see muddy rivers & farms looking like strip-mined quarries.
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April 5, 2015 5:12pm
hj

The Lump of Labour Fallacy Fallacy

There is no fallacy because, in the first place, people DO NOT assume a fixed amount of work. They may assume a given amount of unemployment, but in the face of persistent high levels of unemployment such an assumption is hardly “fallacious”. Second, there is no “fallacy” in the sense of a canonical, demonstrated logical fallacy because economists who proclaim the fallacy are all over the map when it comes to explaining the “implicit” assumption of a fixed amount of work that they allege people make. Third, there is no economic fallacy, because the fallacy claim originated as a journalistic propaganda line that was only subsequently absorbed uncritically into economics textbooks. Fourth, there is no fallacy because modern accusations of the fallacy leave out a key component of the original — the heinous motive of the unions to restrict output so that they could impose their dictatorial socialistic will on honest, innocent hard-working employers.

Without some sinister “ulterior design” to restrict output, the lump-of-labor fallacy claim is incoherent drivel. With it, it is a foaming-at-the-mouth, reactionary conspiracy theory.

http://ecologicalheadstand.blogspot.co.nz/2010/12/older-workers-and-phony-lump-of-labor.html
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April 5, 2015 5:13pm
nasska

….”I wonder whether Left Right and Centre (if he’s around) has special insights from the Greater Porirua region?”…..

Leave us hope that he waits for an hour or two after my dinner before he shares them with us. 🙂
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April 5, 2015 5:15pm
Griff

Something about his liking for bargain bin cream buns suggests LR&C may be able to give us insight into the sexual practices of large people in the first person nostra.
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April 5, 2015 5:16pm
Manolo

One piece of advice: buy Aussie dollars now. It could never be this cheap.
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April 5, 2015 5:22pm
Dave_1924

@Pete. .. hmm mm. The Guardian and the UN saying we are doomed… sounds like Peak Oil all over again. Theres this weird thing called technology which we keep using to improve things or solve problems… I suspect we will be alright and farming practises will adapt…

Fairly sick of the never ending leftie the world is doomed unless we have a world government agency tell us what to do scare stories.
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April 5, 2015 5:33pm
Yvette

Nostradamus and naska

F*** SBW, HERE’S A FIGHT I’D PAY TO SEE: DR CAT PAUSE VS GARETH MORGAN
– Cameron Slater

or “Gingerpotamus v Tabbynator”
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April 5, 2015 5:39pm
Nostradamus

The ongoing stoush between Pete George and Lprent has gone up a notch.

Lprent’s challenge:

…
You have consistently lied here and on other blogs about why you were banned. You have been banned from other blogs and then lied about why you were banned. In my opinion, you are a toxic blogger who seems to lie. In all cases you appeared to lie to play the victim.

To give you an incentive – you are banned for a year for lying about this site – unless you can provide one by the end of easter. Then I remove as much access as I can to this site from you.
…

The follow-up (after Pete George responded to the challenge):

…
Now for wasting my time and being stupid enough to point to a ‘banning example’ where a moderator forced you to provide proof of a similar unsubstantiated assertion of fact, I will have to think about doubling the penalty for wasting my time by making your plea here rather than where it was specified.
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You have until Monday.

Wow… so potentially a two-year ban.
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April 5, 2015 5:43pm
Griff

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They think PG is right wing.
There is even a claim that national is far to the right.
FFS the standard.
Its supposed to be the mainstream left blog in nz.
Instead it is an echo chamber of extremist circle jerkin on the level of true blue.
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April 5, 2015 5:56pm
Reid

Wow… so potentially a two-year ban.

Yeah, wow.

Yawn.

You do realise this means he’ll be back here more often, making even more pointless observations on things that people already know about, pretending he’s part of the dark troika or whatever it was The Stranded hallucinated him to be.
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April 5, 2015 5:56pm
stigie

“Wow… so potentially a two-year ban”.

Where does Pete go for shelter now, who does he turn to ?
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