General Debate 4 April 2015

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Sponge

Sorry – I have accidentally posted twice on this. Please ignore my 9:48 post.
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April 4, 2015 9:53pm
publicwatchdog

Sofia, seeking an application for a Declaratory Judgment in the High Court on the validity of my rates assessments and rates invoices is a separate and parallel action.

As is an internal Auckland Council inquiry as to why Auckland Council continued to oppose my application to set aside a fundamentally flawed judgment based upon fundamentally flawed evidence, when their lawyer(s) knew of mistakes therein?

How much did that cost Auckland Council citizens and ratepayers to persecute and prosecute me?

(Great to have an effectively bottomless pit of public money to use against the public and the public interest – and try to
‘neck stamp’ an anti-corruption ‘whistle-blower’ who’s been asking WAY too many HARD questions, and taking action which cannot be ignored?)

Neither of the above-mentioned actions have commenced – yet – but some preliminary work has been done ….

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 4, 2015 9:55pm
Dennis Horne

Well, Reid, all I can say is that when you die, you won’t be disappointed.
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April 4, 2015 9:56pm
Reid

Well, Reid, all I can say is that when you die, you won’t be disappointed.

Que?
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April 4, 2015 9:58pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

I was going to agree with you until you said this:

Yes, even a baby 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 second old, is evil. Or it can be. If it cries when it doesn’t really need something. Just to get attention. The instant any baby does that, it sins.

Thankfully, there is such a thing as the age of reason, when a child is mature enough to be capable of sin. Catholics consider that to be about age 7, not when the child is in the process of being born as you imply with all your zeros behind the point.
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April 4, 2015 9:58pm
Reid

Yes. clearly it’s sparked debate Lucia. Shame. The question of evil deserves more consideration than getting diverted by sideline hysteria on when it starts to apply.

As you know, biblically, we’re born into sin. God didn’t specify a timeframe. But that’s more a question for those of us who know a few things about it to discuss, rather than neophytes who don’t even have the 101.
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April 4, 2015 10:04pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

Yes, we are born into sin – but that’s Original Sin that is passed down, not personal sin. Personal sin does not take effect until we know what we are doing.
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April 4, 2015 10:06pm
publicwatchdog

Renderer – I think you should ‘practice what YOU preach’ ?

In my considered opinion, Renderer, you are a gutless hypocrite who must have something to hide – or you’d put YOUR name to your posts, so some ‘due diligence’ could equally be applied to yourself?

However, I’m sure you can take some comfort in the fact that on Kiwiblog – you’re not on your own.

There are a LOT of you.

So be it.

You won’t stop me telling the truth or taking a stand which cannot be ignored.

‘Faint heart never won fair go’.

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 4, 2015 10:07pm
big bruv

“Thankfully, there is such a thing as the age of reason, when a child is mature enough to be capable of sin. ”

So compassionate is the Catholic church that until very recently they were happy to tell the parents of children who had died before being baptised that because the child would spend eternity in ‘limbo’. No heaven for the child.

Just another reason the Catholic church (along with Islam) is the epitome of evil.
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April 4, 2015 10:08pm
Reid

Just another reason the Catholic church (along with Islam) is the epitome of evil.

So one notes you haven’t been doing much to prevent it have you BB.

Or if you have you’ve clearly been remarkably ineffective since one has neither heard nor seen any of your preventive attempts.

So what does make you, BB, in terms of the well known: “all it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to stand aside and do nothing” bit?
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April 4, 2015 10:10pm
big bruv

“Yes, we are born into sin”………Don’t you just love Catholic arrogance.

I do wish those who follow the religion that shields child rapists would just speak for themselves.
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April 4, 2015 10:11pm
Lucia Maria

Big Bruv and Catholicism is never a good mix. Time for me to say good night.
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April 4, 2015 10:15pm
renderer

Ms Bright you silly billy I do not claim any public standing, as opposed to your good self who apparently needs the self gratification of having yourself in the public domain. If you cannot grasp this point then maybe you should be considering enrolment in a home for the bewildered
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April 4, 2015 10:15pm
Reid

Yes, we are born into sin – but that’s Original Sin that is passed down, not personal sin. Personal sin does not take effect until we know what we are doing.

Right. Thanks for the correction Lucia, I was wrong and Lucia is right there.
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April 4, 2015 10:18pm
Left Right and Centre

Griff – you really are an asshole. Even on Easter you have to bag religion. What’s your end game? You finally manage to take someone’s faith away? Real nice dude

You’re a fucking joke who’s religion is that of the Green Party. Sad.

You win dimes asshole of the month award.

You win LRC lightweight 2015 award – with two-thirds to go. Well done.
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April 4, 2015 10:37pm
Dennis Horne

Weeel, I don’t think Griff is an arsehole.

I don’t mind people believing in gods or wearing kilts or… It’s when they claim gods will offer advice or save us I lose patience.
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April 4, 2015 10:57pm
Sofia

askhole [n] someone who asks many stupid, pointless, obnoxious questions 🙂
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April 4, 2015 11:27pm
SPC

Original sin is a device to explain why something said to be created in Gods image is not like God.

Not being of the nature of God, an eternal being with the qualities of God – being mortal and of “undeveloped” character.

The nature and nurture element is in humanity being bound by the desires of the flesh and being nurtured by and exposed to other beings of less than perfect character.

The difference between sin and evil is significant, falling short of perfection is inevitable regardless of good intentions but deliberate wilful selfish wrongdoing that actively harms others is something else.

PS The word evil is a loaded one, it’s a bit like the presumption that God is male – connecting deliberate wrong doing to Eve and her not being an obedient wearer of a veil. Everywoman both revels in and is repulsed by the fact that men are easily reduced to being exposed as selfish pricks.
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April 5, 2015 12:15am
Manolo

Will stephieDevoy be horrified? http://news.yahoo.com/somalias-shebab-warn-kenyan-public-long-gruesome-war-070716075.html
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April 5, 2015 6:42am
Griff

Sofia (898 comments) says:
April 4th, 2015 at 11:27 pm

askhole [n] someone who asks many stupid, pointless, obnoxious questions

sea lion
Sea-Lioning is an Internet slang term referring to intrusive attempts at engaging an unwilling debate opponent by feigning civility and incessantly requesting evidence to back up their claims. The term was coined in September 2014 by anti-GamerGate Internet users to mock perceived online discussion tactics employed by GamerGate supporters.
http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/873260-sea-lioning
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