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April 3, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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hj

The “non partisan” (cough cough ) Asia NZ report is out .
Interesting the discussion doesn’t mention a whopping 54% of Aucklanders blaming Asian buyers for pushing up house prices? They argue for more transperancy. This is at odds with the government and Spoonley (who isn’t on the panel) who calls a foreign buyer register popular racsim .
Professor Siah Hwee says “our time has come” as so many places around the world are deplete of resources.
Shamabeel Eucaub says we need to see investment as a partnership and that means not that we just sell our produce but also they come, invest and migrate.
53% think Asian immigration is a positive (they claim). Down from 54% last year and not counted the year before. What would theyy say if it was under 50%?
Trish Carter says more advocacy is needed; the problem is that the advocacy is one sided with strawmen representing the naysayers.
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April 3, 2015 8:04am
IGM

It is a bad start to the day when one is fed more filthy left-wing tripe from the most gutless wimp politics has ever witnessed, Goff; whinging because details, addresses, and deployments of troops not made public. For someone more aligned with pacifism and objection, this low life Labour arsehole would be better to keep his weasel mouth shut, and Newstalkzb are no better for giving the greasy wimp space. What in hell business is it to expose troops to any more publicity than absolutely necessary. Get a grip Goff, if you had been around in 1939, you would have been tarred and feathered . . . you are a sick disgrace!
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April 3, 2015 8:07am
Chuck Bird

This is the cause of John Key loosing soft National support in Northland.

Jill Goldson: The one thing every relationship needs
9:00 AM Monday Mar 2, 2015

Not being heard can be one of life’s most grievous experiences. Just how grievous it feels of course depends on different personalities and situations. Not being acknowledged when you complain that it took too long for your call to be answered pales into insignificance when the stakes are high.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11407811
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April 3, 2015 8:09am
hj

But this does not mean that the globalisation
of immigration to New Zealand was an “unintended consequence of policy
changes in 1986”. It was a deliberate strategy, based on a premise that the
“infusion of new elements to New Zealand life has been of immense value to
the development of this country to date and will, as a result of this
Government’s review of immigration policy, become even more important in
the future” (Burke 1986:330).

New Zealand’s population is undergoing a profound transformation in
terms of its ethnic and cultural composition. This transformation is being
driven by two key processes. The first of these is differential ageing of the
major components of the resident population with the dominant “white”
population experiencing structural ageing more rapidly than the Maori and
Pacific Island components (Pool 1999). The second is international
migration which is seeing a replacement in numerical terms of tens of
thousands of New Zealanders who are moving overseas by immigrants from
countries in Asia, Europe and Africa especially. This process of population
replacement is occurring at a time when natural increase amongst all
components of the New Zealand resident population is falling. International
migration is thus playing an increasingly important role in changing the
ethnic and cultural composition of the population, but to understand this
role it is necessary to examine both the immigration of new residents as well
as the emigration of New Zealanders. Both dimensions are essential for
appreciating the globalisation of international migration in New Zealand.

The Globalisation of International Migration
in New Zealand: Contribution to a Debate
RICHARD BEDFORD *
CHARLOTTE BEDFORD
ELSIE HO
JACQUELINE LIDGARD
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Like is this a BIGGY or not?
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April 3, 2015 8:12am
Steve (North Shore)

IGM,
Goff is the perfect example of who we do not want for Mayor. He is a lying commie
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April 3, 2015 8:13am
Reid

a whopping 54% of Aucklanders blaming Asian buyers for pushing up house prices

Yes. Of course, this is news to the politicians and DPF, who apparently hallucinate it’s all a problem with supply.

Regardless.

Seeing as we are getting wholesale population changes, since when has this been debated and agreed?

Why hasn’t any politician on any side ever seen fit to launch a national discussion on what WE want OUR country to look like?

Why has this crucial critical question which affects everyone everywhere in this land in everything they do, never been put on the table?
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April 3, 2015 8:14am
Souvlaki

Goff is EVERY bit ( & possibly worse) than Len Brown. A completely insufferable dufus!
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April 3, 2015 8:17am
brett68

National lost support in Northland because the area consists solely of Maori and old retired white people who spend their day grizzling about immigration and how NZ isn’t as good as it used to be in the ‘old days’.

Since all the Maori are on the Maori roll that just leaves the whiny old retired white people

WP is the the messiah to these old baby boomers, National could have put up John Key and he still would have lost.
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April 3, 2015 8:21am
Odakyu-sen

From the Herald: “Kenya university siege: Death toll rises to 147” http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11427377

Who could do such a thing? Wait, there are some clues:
Al-Shabab gunmen (gunmen with an Arabic-sounding name)
masked militants (hey, could be anyone)
separated Christian students from Muslims and then gunned them down (why would they do that?)
al-Qaida linked group (a strong clue)
Somalia-based extremist group (all these extremists causing trouble)
mastermind of the attack as Mohammed Mohamud (the mastermind has a popular Swedish name)

So, despite the strong hints, the Herald just can’t bring itself to report the obvious.
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April 3, 2015 8:22am
Longknives

This is unreal

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/racing/67596195/jockey-lewis-ferguson-walks-away-unscathed-from-spectacular-fall-in-europe
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April 3, 2015 8:26am
hj

National lost support in Northland because the area consists solely of Maori and old retired white people who spend their day grizzling about immigration and how NZ isn’t as good as it used to be in the ‘old days’.
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More ethnically homogeneous nations are better able to build public goods, are more democratic, less corrupt, have higher productivity and less inequality, are more trusting and care more for the disadvantaged, develop social and economic capital faster, have lower crime rates, are more resistant to external shocks, and are better global citizens, for example by giving more foreign aid. Moreover, they are less prone to civil war, the greatest source of violent death in the twentieth century.[9]

They are pushed out of areas of employment and business; they suffer from the higher rates of crime often shown by immigrant communities; they become the minority in poorer suburbs; and they sense a threat to their continuity as a people belonging to a particular place. They observe that the newcomers have a different group identity, one that excludes them, and that where there were few, now there are many. They sense, sometimes with justification, that they are losing their country.[10]

Frank Salter

“Among policy and analytical circles in New Zealand there is a pretty high degree of enthusiasm for high levels of immigration. Some of that stems from the insights of literature on increasing returns to scale. Whatever the general global story, the actual productivity track record here in the wake of very strong inward migration is poor. In an Australian context, the Productivity Commission – hardly a hot-bed of xenophobia or populism – concluded that any benefits from migration to Australia were captured by migrants and there were few or no discernible economic benefits to Australians. And that was in a country already rich and successful and with materially higher national saving and domestic investment rates than those in NZ.”

http://www.treasury.govt.nz/downloads/pdfs/mi-jarrett-comm.pdf
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April 3, 2015 8:28am
PaulP

So let me get this right. Goff orders these helicopters and lands the next government with the contract and then blames them when it turns out he was in charge when they were ordered.

Yep, sounds like he’d make a perfect mayor for Auckland
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/67598369/gerry-brownlee-nh90-helicopters-purchase-interesting
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April 3, 2015 8:30am
publicwatchdog

If local government ‘reorganisation proposals’ are supposed to be premised on ‘cost savings’ and ‘efficiencies’ – wouldn’t you think that the Local Government Commission (LGC), would have carried out due diligence, in order to establish a transparent and accurate ‘costs datum’, confirming the current costs of providing council services and regulatory functions across the Greater Wellington Region?

How can you measure current or future ‘cost-effectiveness’ of Council services and regulatory functions if you don’t know exactly how much they cost NOW?

Wouldn’t you think that the Local Government Commissioners would have carried out ‘due diligence’ in order to establish that anticipated projections of the Auckland ‘Supercity’ (forced) amalgamation ‘efficiencies’ – could be substantiated by FACTS and EVIDENCE, before putting forward the ‘Draft Wellington Reorganisation Proposal’?

Penny Bright
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April 3, 2015 8:31am
UglyTruth

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Don’t watch this if you think that suporting US military actions in the middle east is the honourable thng to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2DA9zfSEoKA
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April 3, 2015 8:38am
Odakyu-sen

Reid,

I think Aucklanders care more about their house prices than about having the ethnicity of their city changed.
They will still have their circles of friends (as birds of a feather flock together) so they won’t have to deal with immigrants socially.
They’ll feel really wealthy.

Their grandchildren won’t know the difference because they will have grown up in schools that are 60% immigrant. To them, it will be normal.

It doesn’t matter if you’ll “lose” your country when you are in a rest home.

It’s a good opportunity for whites to face some real competition from hard-working Asians. It will encourage them to lift their game. As for the Pasifika Peoples (who they?) and the Maoris, the days of legal privilege for their aristocracy are numbered once the Asian voting block awakens.
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April 3, 2015 8:39am
brett68

Yep, the world is becoming one large community and you can thank the internet for that.

Gone are the days of isolation and insularity, we’re a international trading nation who deals with people of all colours and cultures, NZ s a very cosmopolitan place these days and I for one actually enjoy the diversity we now have in NZ.

One advantage we do have though is English has sort of become the default world language.
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April 3, 2015 8:51am
kowtow

ah yes the diversity dividend, Rochdale, again.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/11512305/Rochdale-family-arrested-trying-to-reach-Syria-from-Turkey.html
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April 3, 2015 8:55am
Left Right and Centre

National lost support in Northland because the area consists solely of Maori and old retired white people who spend their day grizzling about immigration and how NZ isn’t as good as it used to be in the ‘old days’.

I didn’t know that all the KB commenters live in Northland – wow, ok.
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April 3, 2015 8:56am
Inandout

Odakyu-sen: Yet another example of the ‘religion of peace’.
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April 3, 2015 8:57am
Griff

Is this news ?

Woman clocked at 150km/h overtaking line of seven cars

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/woman-clocked-150km-h-overtaking-line-seven-cars-6276441
I often overtake slower vehicles when conditions allow when I do I accelerate .
Time exposed to danger the faster you overtake the less time you are on the wrong side of the road.
A modern car will go from 100 to 150 surprisingly quickly and safely.
I tell you what would be news.
Old fuddy given ticket for obstructing traffic.
Or how about ?
Police apply the fucken basic rules in the road code and crack down on obstructive drivers this Holiday.

http://nzta.thomsonreuters.co.nz/REG-NZL-PUB-Y.2004-427.pdf
2.1
Keeping left
(1)
A driver, when driving, must at all times drive as near as practicable to the left side of the roadway unless this rule otherwise provides.
(2)
If a driver’s speed, when driving, is such as to impede the normal and reasonable flow of traffic, that driver must, as soon as is reasonably
practicable, move the vehicle as far as practicable to the left side of the roadway when this is necessary to allow following traffic to pass
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April 3, 2015 8:58am
Fraggle

Odakyu-sen. Come and have a look at Mt Albert shops. A shining example of how hard working Asians contribute so well to the attractiveness of a suburb. This issue is about more than just house prices.
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April 3, 2015 8:59am
Inandout

IGM: I agree Goff is a low life, but I just wish Key would have from the start said, with a forceful look on his face, ‘ We have deployed troops in that area, and that is all I will say’. Instead he hedges, and waffles, and looks dodgy; which I know he is not.
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April 3, 2015 9:03am
Inandout

Fraggle: I am amazed that Chinese are now running dairies in Mt Albert. Gosh I remember when every second fruit and veg shop was Chinese run.
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April 3, 2015 9:07am
Reid

I think Aucklanders care more about their house prices than about having the ethnicity of their city changed.

Yes but it’s not just about Aucklanders it’s about NZers and the rest of us who don’t live in Akld and don’t want to live in Akld get to have a say about what happens in Akld when it affects the rest of the country, which it’s doing right now.

This is because we do have a 2-speed economy and it’s because of immigration. And the question is: do we ALL want that? We haven’t ever even been invited to discuss it.

That’s a problem.

There are many reasons why it’s a problem. Here’s a couple.

The LVR changes are only needed because of the Akld market. They have had no effect on the Akld market, price-wise, but this is the only place in NZ where a change is required. And the rest of the country has to suffer for it.

Similarly, interest rate rises are not needed because the only place in the country that has an out of control inflationary market is Akld’s housing sector.

Why the fuck doesn’t the RBNZ simply say, interest rates in Akld rise, everywhere else it stays the same. LVRs apply in Akld, nowhere else.

Asians have a propensity to coalesce together. This is why Eastern Suburbs used to have high Asian pops even in the 1990’s and noughties. They like gathering together. Well, fuck em.

If Asians want to come to NZ, then MAKE them live somewhere else other than Akld. Sorry, if you don’t want to do that, why, don’t bother completing the immigration application form.

It’s our RIGHT to do that. It’s NOT discriminatory. THEY are the visitors, not us. And it’s THEY who need to conform to what we want.

Unless we want to have a two speed economy, permanently, with everything that entails, for ourselves and our children, forever.

And do WE want that?
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April 3, 2015 9:08am
publicwatchdog

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errr….. Brett – explain how in September 2014 at the General Election, the very same Northland electorate returned (former) National MP Mike Sabin with a 9000 majority?

Those post- Northland by-election grapes still taste REALLY sour?

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 3, 2015 9:08am
brett68

I just street viewed Mt Albert shops, yes lots and lots of Asian themed businesses.

Thing is though white people no longer shop at these sort of premises, they go to malls and super markets.

If it wasn’t for the Asians you’d have miles of derelict empty old shops, would you prefer that?.
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April 3, 2015 9:10am
Left Right and Centre

Griff – the driver was unlicensed to drive – and should be unlicensed to breed. Seven vehicles in one hit ? Thinks her unlicensed car is a Bugatti Veyron ? Sounds like a scene from Outrageous Bogans.
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April 3, 2015 9:12am
brett68

@ Penny.

Of course they voted National, who else do you think they’d vote for, the pinko homo party, I don’t think so.

It is just National by default, Winston Peters though, that’s some one the oldies can really relate to.

Peters vs National, as shown Peters by a landslide.
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April 3, 2015 9:14am
srylands

Being pinged for “speeding” while overtaking on the open road really shits me. With our typically short overtaking lanes, overtaking at – literally – 100 kmh and not 1 kmh faster, is not only impractical and discourteous, it is dangerous.
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April 3, 2015 9:14am
Simon

“Seeing as we are getting wholesale population changes, since when has this been debated and agreed?”

Without immigration and credit growth the NZ economy would have collapsed long ago. The State knows this and the goal of those in State are either to win the next election or to oversee a bigger and more powerful government department. So you wont get your debate.

House prices go up in Auckland and Aucklanders feel like they are clever investors so many welcome immigration and restrictive land supply.

The real story is somewhat different. Anyway everyone who owns a house welcomes immigration. However when the credit dries up and the ponzi ends people will turn nasty and they also will turn on the immigrants.
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April 3, 2015 9:15am
stephieboy

brett68, I live near to thise shops and both Asians and Whites use them and the very same use e.g the St Luke’s Shoppimg Mall close by .
Your point ?
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April 3, 2015 9:15am
hj

Odakyu-sen (1,216 comments) says:

I think Aucklanders care more about their house prices than about having the ethnicity of their city changed.

I think it depends on how their interests are affected; when it is society they need to fall back on it definitely will matter “diversity” will be like monopoly money. The lower down the heap you are, the more it will matter.

Their grandchildren won’t know the difference because they will have grown up in schools that are 60% immigrant. To them, it will be normal.

– the culture wars were won in the universities therefore feeding into the public service (schools) where political correctness has been cemented. I don’t think Chinese are politically correct (I think they laugh at Labour)
– people will still follow their ethnic interest (to a degree) and that will create inequality and grouping as Chinese New Zealanders have one leg in China (way ahead of Europeans)
– the difference will still be there whether it is objectively analysed or not.
-people will still have their human nature , honed over millions of years

It doesn’t matter if you’ll “lose” your country when you are in a rest home.

Some people says “oh well that will be when I’m dead” and others say “well I do as this is my country!”

It’s a good opportunity for whites to face some real competition from hard-working Asians

No it isn’t, this is was our country. New Zealanders are already working hard enough the only opportunity is to the Asians.
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April 3, 2015 9:17am
Paulus

How dare you above cast Phil Goff as a useless nasty little wimp.
For the future Lord Mayor of Auckland he has shown himself for many years to be wasted space, and if the people of Auckland elect him you will get everything you ask for.
As an ex Aucklander I have no sympathy for what Aucklanders’ voted for.
How I wish that all elections should be confined to actual voters – those on the Council Rates registers.
Similarly with national Elections – why should non citizens and others tell us how to run our Country.
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April 3, 2015 9:19am
Left Right and Centre

If it wasn’t for the Asians you’d have miles of derelict empty old shops, would you prefer that?.

This reminds me of those 3D puzzles with a secret image. If I stare at this long enough it might reveal a hidden adult level of thinking. . . just relax the eyes . . re-laaaaaaax the eyes . . .
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April 3, 2015 9:19am
Simon

Basic theme is immigration help fuels the NZ ponzi economy. When the ponzi ends people will turn on the Asians & Indians.
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April 3, 2015 9:20am
Odakyu-sen

Fraggle,

I think the suburbs will self-segregate. I drive through Remuera, where there are a high concentration of (mostly) Chinese, and the houses are all neat and tidy (maybe they have the cash). On the other hand, in Mt. Albert, maybe the building owners are in debt up to their eyeballs and don’t have the money for superficial maintenance. (I don’t even know if Chinese value “old” buildings. I know the Japanese don’t.) It’s all about the land that the building sits on.
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April 3, 2015 9:20am
Pete George

A Roy Morgan poll on “the most important problem facing New Zealand”:
– Economic issues 40% (down 1)
– Government/ Public policy/ Human rights issues 26% (up 5)
– Social issues 15% (down 5)
– Environmental issues 7% (up 1)

A breakdown of the most important Economic Issues facing New Zealand:
– Poverty / The gap between the rich and the poor 18% (down 2)
– Unemployment/ Job security 8% (up 2)
– Cost of living/ Increasing prices/ Financial hardship/ Household debt 5% (unchanged)
– Economy/ Financial crisis/ Recession/ Inflation/ Exchange rate/ High dollar 5% (down 1%)
– Low Wages 3% (up 1)
– Christchurch Recovery & Rebuilding 1% (up 1)
– Foreign Ownership/ Selling our Assets 1% (unchanged)
– Need to Increase Exports 1% (down 1)

A breakdown of the most important Government/Public Policy/Human Rights Issues facing New Zealand:
– Housing shortage/ Housing affordability 10% (up 4)
– Government/ Politicians/ Leadership/ Government Spending 9% (up 1)
– Education 2 (up 1)
– Health Issues/ Disease/ Obesity/ Poor Health 2% (up 1)
– Benefits Given to the Maori/ Inequality Between Maori and Other Ethnic Groups 1 (unchanged)
– Health System/ Shortage of Doctors/ Health Services 1% (up 1)
– Immigration/ Refugees 1% (down 1)

A breakdown of the most important Social issues facing New Zealand:
– Child Abuse/ Lack of Care of Children/ Bringing up Children Wrongly 3% (up 1)
– Social Apathy/ Lack of Values/ Lack of Empathy Toward Others/ Intolerance 3% (down 1)
– Breakdown of Family Unit/ Family Violence 2 (unchanged)
– Crime/ Law & Order 2% (unchanged)
– Drugs/ Alcohol Issues/ Drink Driving 1% (unchanged)
– Greed/ Materialism 1% (unchanged)
– Racism/ Racial Tension 1% (unchanged)
– Social Welfare System 1% (unchanged)
– Violence/ Gangs 1% (unchanged)

http://yournz.org/2015/04/03/poll-on-problems-facing-new-zealand/
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April 3, 2015 9:20am
wiseowl

Well said Reid and as for this new wet behind the ears idealist Brett ,I say that the more mature New Zealanders who built this country into what it is today , want to see the same fantastic country enjoyed by their offspring not spoilt by a surging mass of immigrants that have no connection with what is New Zealand and who only bring and adhere to their own religions and beliefs that do not fit with ours.

Where is the politician that is going to tell us what the hell is going on?
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April 3, 2015 9:21am
publicwatchdog

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Is potential 2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate Phil Goff calling for the abolition of ALL Auckland ‘Council (CORPORATE) Controlled Organisations (CCOs)?

I am, as the first CONFIRMED 2016 Auckland Mayoral candidate.

In my considered opinion, CCOs have been the mechanism for the corporate takeover of the Auckland region – as this Auckland ‘Supercity’ ( for BIG business, property developers, speculators, investors and vested financial interests) was forced upon us, after being railroaded through Parliament, without the democratic consent of the majority of citizens and ratepayers.

In my considered opinion, unless CCOs are abolished, and Auckland Council services and regulatory functions are brought back under direct democratic control of elected representatives, and run under the public service, NOT commercialised (private) profit seeking model – nothing will fundamentally change for the majority of citizens and ratepayers.

Lest we forget – this Auckland ‘Supercity’ process started under Labour, with the failed ‘Mayoral coup’ on 5 September 2006.

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 3, 2015 9:22am
Left Right and Centre

White isn’t offensive, neither is brown but yellow would be. Huh ?
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April 3, 2015 9:23am
hj

One thing with that Asia NZ Report is that you would think this is some sort of progress like building a Benmore Dam ( a better metaphor might be in the forest heading for the light). The reality is a mix of good and bad. Their discussion gives grudging reference to any negatives.
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April 3, 2015 9:23am
brett68

@stephieboy

I wanted to change white people to modern New Zealander but I ran out of time.

Thing is though that style of shopping does appeal more to Asians New Zealanders, super markets and malls are where the vast majority of shopping is done these days, the old main street style of shopping has gone the way of the dodo.
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April 3, 2015 9:24am
Tom Barker

“Instead [Key] hedges, and waffles, and looks dodgy; which I know he is not.”

You sure about that?

He reminds more and more every day of Richard Nixon.
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April 3, 2015 9:25am
Simon

“Yep, the world is becoming one large community and you can thank the internet for that.’

Well said Brett. Another reminder that NZ doesnt need those 121 turds in Wellington for governance.

Self governance is the future. Technology assists in this regard. NZ doesnt need a massive state any more.
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April 3, 2015 9:26am
Left Right and Centre

the days of legal privilege for their aristocracy are numbered once the Asian voting block awakens.

Which specific block is that ? One near you ? It’s not meant to be ‘bloc’, is it ? Yeah – first they own everything – then they outnumber everything else. We’ll need yet another flag change. Red’s pretty.
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April 3, 2015 9:35am
PaulP

Interesting PG @9.20am that the Roy Morgan poll combines “poverty” and “the gap between the rich and the poor” in one statistic.

To me they might be related but are quite different issues. You can be a very long way from “rich” without living in “poverty” especially in a country like New Zealand.

I guess it makes a better headline the higher the percentage so combining them works split a certain agenda.
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April 3, 2015 9:36am
Reid

Where is the politician that is going to tell us what the hell is going on?

Aw WE know what the hell is going on, Wiseowl.

The disengenuous pricks play fast and loose with OUR country because they have contempt for us and they don’t trust us to make the correct decisions which they reserve exclusively for themselves since they’re so wise (in their eyes).

See, immigration all over the Western world is used as a political tool for population control and NZ is no different from London in that respect. All Western nations are played like violins.

In our case our centre of migration is Asia, in Europe it’s the ME. But the same rules they play in Europe apply to us and Aus.

They want to destroy our sense of national identity, to remove our patriotism and bring our children into a homogenous global worldview.

That’s why they’re doing it.

At the micro level what they’ve done here in NZ is designed a program which massively increases the debt levels for everyone in our biggest population centre and the more in debt you are the easier you are to control because the smallest shock in the economy causes big ripples.

The politicians allowed this to happen. They could have easily controlled it by spreading the Asians all over the country but they chose not to do that. Now it would be relatively traumatic for that to happen because the Asians have generated a centre of gravity in Akld that will always attract people from the regions so even if you said, a new resident needs to live for ten years in the regions, now, you’d still get significant drift back once that ten years was up. But it’s not insoluble. And that’s the answer to this issue and it always has been.

But people like Peters don’t talk about this, either. Because like the rest of them he pretends he’s honest but he’s not, none of them are. They’re all scum. I can’t think of one honest one in that place.
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April 3, 2015 9:36am
hj

Simon (896 comments) says:
April 3rd, 2015 at 9:26 am

“Yep, the world is becoming one large community and you can thank the internet for that.’
….

The significance of the nation, of national identity, can more properly be considered in evolutionary terms or in the light of recent history. E.O.Wilson sees nationalism as a natural extension of tribalism, which, in turn, is a product of kin selection; nation connotes a group of people who believe they are ancestrally related and connotes identification with and loyalty to one’s nation as just defined. It endows the members of a national population with an identity which is thought to be unique and distinct from other population groups, thought to be a relatively homogeneous entity. Nationalism holds the nation and the state together.
The resurgence of nationalism over the last few years is hardly surprising: ‘national identity’ makes it possible to locate oneself in the world. A “native nation” is a people of common heritage, language, geography, culture, political system, and desire for common association; there are relatively few nation-states, less than two hundred, but many “native nations”, more than three thousand. The scope for ethnic friction is obvious; only ten per cent of states in the United Nations consist mainly of one ethnic group; in Europe the desire for a national identity has re-asserted itself as a key features of collective human nature; long suppressed European nations have suddenly reappeared, a movement directly opposed to the supranational ambitions of European Union. The new emphasis on the nation is in part a reaction against pressures towards homogenisation, the reduction of national differences, and particularly globalisation.

GROUP IDENTITY AND NATION IDENTITY
http://www.percepp.com/groupnat.htm

of course there are exceptions

More than $800 million of Property on Display -Harcourts

“Chinese economy we all know about…
Chinese government says it’s time to grow offshore…..
Let’s take a good selection of New Zealands “products” over….
“We’re all New Zealanders, we all love the country so I think it’s healthy for us to have the debate and make the right decisions for our country…. but hey!…. young people coming through see it as “our planet” rather than “our country”

http://static.radionz.net.nz/assets/audio_item/0011/2385074/mnr-20100824-0842-More_than_800-million_dollars_worth_of_property_on_display-m048.asx
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April 3, 2015 9:37am
srylands

Penny could you please stop adding “lest we forget” to your mad communist diatribes? It is a vile insult to the memories of our fallen soldiers.
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April 3, 2015 9:37am
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Amalgamation benefits boost council savings

Improved economies of scale from the amalgamation of the eight local authorities have helped Auckland Council maintain services at reduced cost, says a council report on efficiency savings.

Average rates increases have reduced year on year from previously anticipated rises while capital works are nearly double that of the former councils.

Annual operating savings to June 2013 were $131million and are budgeted to be $188million by June 2018.

Savings have come from benefits including:
• simpler and better information technology
• better purchasing and tendering processes
• bringing more work in-house to reduce reliance on external resources
• reducing the number of office buildings occupied.

“The benefits of amalgamation become more evident with each year,” said Councillor Penny Webster, chair of the Finance and Performance Committee.
“We’re running a ruler over everything we do as we manage ratepayers money.
That’s what is expected of us and we are delivering savings while pressing ahead with projects that will make the city a .better place for residents to live in, enjoy, and prosper,” she said.

Follow the dollar – TRUTH in FACTS
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April 3, 2015 9:39am
Left Right and Centre

Penny could you please stop adding “lest we forget” to your mad communist diatribes? It is a vile insult to the memories of our fallen soldiers.

As long as the rates collectors don’t forget the lunatic.
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April 3, 2015 9:40am
stephieboy

Simon, nor does it need people like you dictating what others may like to think under your so called ” self governance “.

brett68, again many ,many whites and Asians enjoy both the benefits and appeal of both kinds of shopping precincts .Come along up or over ,observe and enjoy.
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April 3, 2015 9:40am
Left Right and Centre

99 crap penny posts on GD, 99 crap penny posts – you scroll one down and wipe off your frown, 98 crap penny posts on GD

Everybody !!

Hey – she’s working hard on a stat day – I suppose that bit of puff will get added to the list of arsedross ‘selling points’
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April 3, 2015 9:42am
Dave_1924

Haha Tom Barker……. keep repeating the meme and maybe it will stick….. But every single day Andrew Little reminds me more and more of those wild eyed enablers that inhabited the old Soviet regimes. Always willing to carry out their masters commands…. if you look closely you can see the strings attached to Andys shoulders leading back to the central committee at the unions …..
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April 3, 2015 9:43am
hj

Those polls are designed (to a degree) for the benefit of the people paying. While some things are a direct concern (housing) immigration is one step back but when asked
” 62 percent of voters want tighter restrictions on immigration, while only 35 percent say leave it.”
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April 3, 2015 9:49am
OneTrack

Simon – “. NZ doesnt need a massive state any more.”

But what would the progressives do for a job if they weren’t planning our lives for us? You aren’t suggesting they get a real job are you? Oh the horror.
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April 3, 2015 9:51am
kowtow

“Yep, the world is becoming one large community and you can thank the internet for that.’

“Community”, as in Kenyan uni, Tunisian museum, a publishers office in Paris, a Boston marathon, Boko Haram across Africa, Yemen,Libya,Syria, Iraq,Afghanistan,Somalia,South Sudan…..

yep, one big happy “community” whose “diversity” ensures we all get along so well………
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April 3, 2015 9:52am
OneTrack

Minus – “Savings have come from benefits including …”

Any “benefits” have been totally swamped by the spendthrift ways of the socialist council, especially Len Brown and Penny Webster.

Fix the roads and the water. Stop trying to create your socialist nirvana with other peoples money.
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April 3, 2015 9:56am
Nukuleka

Tom Barker: If you posted as similar comment about Andrew Little over on your natural home- the Labour Parrty blogsite The Standard- you would be banned.
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April 3, 2015 9:57am
kowtow

…..and after the evil white man was thrown from power (by New Zealanders of course, St Nelson Mandela said so) ,they all lived happily ever after………

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/foreigners-africa-fearful-xenophobic-attacks-150402090513830.html
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April 3, 2015 9:58am
Left Right and Centre

Goff is EVERY bit ( & possibly worse) than Len Brown. A completely insufferable dufus

Len has got womaniser bad boy sex appeal. Goff + Harley = born to be mild. He's like a female Helen Clark – yeah, nah
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April 3, 2015 10:00am
wiseowl

Fully agree Reid but I am living in hope.

I think you will find people in the regions do not want mass immigration into the provinces .The regional economy is not the same as Dorkland and more people are not going to help.It’s hard enough finding a job now.

I also ask the question because in Western countries the only one I can find with the balls to tell it like it is , is Farage.
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April 3, 2015 10:00am
IGM

Left Right: Goff has the girls’ version of a Triumph, not a Harley. He has never arsed, or done the ton, he is a tosser.
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April 3, 2015 10:11am
wat dabney

It’s weird how bigots and nutters such as hj and Reid blithely assume that their ethnicity means we have some sort of obligation to them, no matter how ugly and stupid their endless rantings.

Their automatic assumption is that we’d naturally prefer to live next door to angry, frustrated losers like themselves, rather than to a decent, hard-working Asian family, simply because of common European heritage.

Enough with the “we”, guys. There is no “we.”

You don’t represent anyone except that minority which always exists which blames and scapegoats others for their own failures.

New Zealand would be a better, kinder place if you both fucked off and were replaced with Chinese immigrants.
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April 3, 2015 10:12am
Griff

New Zealand would be a better, kinder place if you both fucked off and were replaced with Chinese immigrants.

Well fuck off to china wat..
I think you will find it aint as delightful as your wet dreams.
That’s why they come here noddy.
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April 3, 2015 10:19am
Reid

It’s weird how mentals like wat hallucinate he knows precisely how I think when he’s never even met me and he can’t read but makes it up as he goes along from who knows where.

For example, try and find one thing I’ve said above that’s negative toward Asians and quote it to me please.

Bet you can’t.

And yet you hallucinate I don’t like Asians.

Are you mental?

Apparently, you are.
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April 3, 2015 10:23am
Left Right and Centre

New Zealand would be a better, kinder place if you both fucked off and were replaced with Chinese immigrants.

I’ve got someone here who doesn’t speak very good English – I’m going to need you to translate all of that into Mandarin if you’d be so kind – and can you just make it every post from now on ? Awesome. They’d also like to make an offer 10% above market value for your place. What’s that ? Lucky street number and great feng shui apparently.

Hey – she’s working hard on a stat day – I suppose that bit of puff will get added to the list of arsedross ‘selling points’

Stat day, so – it’s ‘dumb-and-a-half’.
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April 3, 2015 10:24am
doggone7

brett68 @ 8:21 am

” … National could have put up John Key … ”

Up where? And would that mean having to get rid of Barack or swat off Mike?
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April 3, 2015 10:24am
Hugh Pavletich

ECONOMISTS BELATEDLY REDISCOVERING HISTORY AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF LAND … THE ECONOMIST

Posted at … ASX at the close – MacroBusiness Australia … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/04/asx-close-46/ … with extensive associated recent information on earlier article thread … New Zealand’s economy booms! – MacroBusiness Australia … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/03/new-zealands-economy-booms/ …

ECONOMISTS BELATEDLY REDISCOVERING HISTORY AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF LAND … THE ECONOMIST …

READ THE PAINFUL PROCESS ECONOMISTS ARE PUTTING THEMSELVES THROUGH ! …

Land-shackled economies: The paradox of soil | The Economist

http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21647622-land-centre-pre-industrial-economy-has-returned-constraint-growth

… extract …

Growth in the rents available to property owners fuels corruption and wastes resources. Landowners work to strengthen development restrictions while politicians cash in on their ability, through selective development approval, to grant fortunate supplicants a windfall. In economies where political corruption is already a problem the renaissance of land may be especially corrosive. In October 2014 the Times of India reported that the bribes required to clear the various stages of the planning-permission process in central Mumbai could add up to as much as half of basic building costs.

Space and the city … The Economist … h/t David L …

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21647614-poor-land-use-worlds-greatest-cities-carries-huge-cost-space-and-city?fsrc=nlw%7Chig%7C1-04-2015%7CAP

Housing Bubbles And Market Sense … Hugh Pavletich … January 2009

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0901/S00046.htm

LAND … HOW TEXAS DODGED THE HOUSING BUBBLE … TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY

http://recenter.tamu.edu/pdf/2033.pdf

WHAT PART OF “3.0” MEDIAN MULTIPLE DON’T ECONOMISTS UNDERSTAND ? …

2015 11th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

Eminent Hoover Institution economist Dr Thomas Sowell ( quotes ) has said “Over recent decades we have replaced what works with what feels good”.

Hugh Pavletich
Co-author Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/ & http://info.scoop.co.nz/Hugh_Pavletich & http://info.scoop.co.nz/Performance_Urban_Planning & http://info.scoop.co.nz/Demographia
Christchurch
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April 3, 2015 10:29am
Hugh Pavletich

Housing and Wealth Inequality | Randal O’Toole | Cato

http://www.cato.org/blog/housing-wealth-inequality

American Nightmare is in some ways the most profound of the three books I have written for Cato. It covers a wide range of issues, including a detailed explanation of the 2008 financial crisis. But the overarching theme is that urban planning and zoning are best viewed as a form of economic warfare by the upper and middle classes against the working and lower classes. While that might not have been the original intent, to judge by the smug attitudes of the beneficiaries of such planning and zoning, they are perfectly happy with the results. … read more via hyperlink above …
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April 3, 2015 10:30am
stephieboy

wat dabney, well said .hj recently posted some rubbish about a Frank Salter a Aussie Political scientist .His so called research papers on the evils of multiculturalism etc when analysed are just euphemisms for justifying and rationalising racial discrimination and segregation. .
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April 3, 2015 10:34am
doggone7

Tom Barker @ 9:25 am

I saw John Key on many days making comments about the appointment of Ian Fletcher to the GCSB. He was doing what Inandout said
about hedging, waffling, faffing about with words and looking dodgy.

Looking dodgy because he is. I think anyone not seeing the same thing has dodgy eyesight and dodgy perceptual skills.
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April 3, 2015 10:36am
Reid

wat dabney, well said

stephie perhaps you’d like to take up my 10.23 challenge too. One notes wat hasn’t yet responded. Perhaps that’s cos he can’t. So consider carefully before you decide, stephie.
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April 3, 2015 10:36am
stephieboy

Redbaiter, Nixon of course was forced to resign as you will no doubt be aware .
Take the fight to the commies ?

Where and what with ?

Mini Nukes or H bombs ?
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April 3, 2015 10:39am
RichardX

Reid (17,410 comments) says:
April 3rd, 2015 at 10:23 am
It’s weird how mentals like wat hallucinate he knows precisely how I think when he’s never even met me and he can’t read but makes it up as he goes along from who knows where.
For example, try and find one thing I’ve said above that’s negative toward Asians and quote it to me please.
Bet you can’t.
And yet you hallucinate I don’t like Asians.
Are you mental?
Apparently, you are.

For example, try and find one thing Wat said above that states Reid feels negative toward Asians and quote it to me please.
Bet you can’t.
And yet you hallucinate that he said Reid doesn’t like Asians.
Are you mental?
Apparently, you are.
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April 3, 2015 10:40am
stephieboy

Richard X , thanks and we now therefore safely conclude that Reid rejoices, unlike say hj , in the joys of multiculturalism ?
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April 3, 2015 10:44am
Viking2

Superman is flying around the city. He suddenly sees Wonder Woman spread eagle, naked on top of a building.

Superman thinks, “This is my chance!” He swoops down, faster than a speeding bullet bangs her and is gone in the blink of an eye.

Wonder Woman sits up and asks,”What the hell was that!?” The Invisible Man rolls off her and says, “I have no idea but it hurt like hell!”
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April 3, 2015 10:45am
Left Right and Centre

stephie perhaps you’d like to take up my 10.23 challenge too. One notes wat hasn’t yet responded.

He’s handed over the keys to my wealthy immigrants and heading to an internet cafe to set you straight. They keep calling him ‘walt disney’ – and when I say ‘wat’ they say we just told you – ‘walt disney’. . aye aye aye . . language barriers . . .
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April 3, 2015 10:45am
Manolo

Israel’s opinion: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/02/us-israel-iran-framework-idUSKBN0MT29I20150402

Israel dismissed celebration of a nuclear framework deal between major powers and Iran on Thursday as being detached from reality and vowed to continue lobbying to prevent a what it called a bad final agreement.

Strategic Affairs Minister Yuval Steinitz said after the announcements in Switzerland that “the smiles in Lausanne are detached from grim reality in which Iran refuses to make any concessions on the nuclear issue and continues to threaten Israel and all other countries in the Middle East.
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April 3, 2015 10:47am
Manolo

It is suicidal. However, Susan and stephieDevoy would love to see the same happening over here:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/04/02/arabic-most-common-language-of-refugees-in-america/

According to the Refugee Processing Center, the State Department documents that the most common spoken language among refugees in America is Arabic.

Out of the 11,300 refugees in the U.S., 4,430 speak Arabic this fiscal year.
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April 3, 2015 10:49am
Viking2

Husband and wife decide to make a password for sex, they decide on ‘washing machine’. Later in bed that night husband says, “Washing machine.” Wife replies, “Not tonight darling I have a headache.” Half an hour passes and she feels guilty so she says, “Washing machine.” Husband replies, “Too late. It was only a small load so I decided to do it by hand.”
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April 3, 2015 10:52am
Reid

For example, try and find one thing Wat said above that states Reid feels negative toward Asians and quote it to me please.

It’s weird how bigots and nutters such as hj and Reid blithely assume that their ethnicity means we have some sort of obligation to them, no matter how ugly and stupid their endless rantings.

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Their automatic assumption is that we’d naturally prefer to live next door to angry, frustrated losers like themselves, rather than to a decent, hard-working Asian family, simply because of common European heritage.

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You don’t represent anyone except that minority which always exists which blames and scapegoats others for their own failures.

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New Zealand would be a better, kinder place if you both fucked off and were replaced with Chinese immigrants.

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How’s that Richard?

(Note BTW that I’ve responded to your request in seconds and proved you quite, quite wrong, notwithstanding stephie’s childish sniggering at your temeritous if pathetic attempt. We’re all still waiting for wat to make an appearance on mine. And bear in mind of course, I’m the injured party, I’m the one who wat slandered. But of course, in your topsy turvy world, up is down and black is white, isn’t it, Richard.)
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April 3, 2015 10:56am
stephieboy

Manolo , that’s the price I suppose you pay for waging war in Iraq and the Middle East .

Reid, your now an avowed supporter of diversity and multiculturalism ?

Yes or No ?
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April 3, 2015 10:57am
kowtow

“You don’t represent anyone except that minority which always exists which blames and scapegoats others for their own failures.”

Really, a hell of a lotta people I talk to are very uneasy about mass immigration from non European cultures and the changing “face” of the nation. Changing due to politicians’ agendas .

It’s about time there was a genuine debate and matters as important as the future makeup of the country b decided by the people not the political elites.

We are told that we’re a democracy ,afterall, or maybe we’re not and all the real decisions are made by a small elite.

This theme is current in the UK with a GE coming up.

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/columnists/leo-mckinstry/567177/Leo-Mckinstry-on-politics-and-voting
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April 3, 2015 10:59am
Odakyu-sen

I am noticing a pattern

Sensitivity over the phrase: “lest we forget” “No it isn’t, this is (was) our country…”

There’s something about a remembering and honoring previous generations who gave their lives in a war to ensure….something.

What were they really fighting for? Were they fighting to keep NZ *white? (Gosh, how can you say such a thing in such polite company as found on KiwiBlog!?) Were they fighting for freedom and democracy?

(*Caucasian/Polynesian, but mostly white)

If you say, “They were fighting for their country” then what does that really mean?
If the government deliberately changes the ethnic makeup of Auckland, then does this change “the country”? If it does (and this can be debated) then what did all these men and women die for, all those years ago?
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April 3, 2015 10:59am
Jack5

Twat Dabney posted at 10.12:

New Zealand would be a better, kinder place if you both fucked off and were replaced with Chinese immigrants.

If you feel that Reid, Kowtow, HJ and co’s posts are virulent, this is what you can expect when there is no open, reasoned discussion and debate in our MSM and by our politicians about our mass population change.

We have the second great ethnic re-engineering of NZ in full swing, and about to ramp up with the inflow of scores of thousands of Asian students largely choosing NZ because it offers a door to citizenship and settlement.

In the first big ethnic re-engineering there was an imperial treaty and later decades of warfare. This time a blanket of PC silence is making current NZ’ers of all ethnicities as silent as the Chathams Islands Moriori were to the point Taranaki Maori butchered them on the beaches in one of the world’s most savage cases of genocide.

Whether the Asianisation of NZ is good or bad, why is there no serious debate about it? Why have the political parties not given voters a choice so they can vote on it ? (Surely, you can’t accept that Peters and his ghost MPs have given people a choice: he may talk the issue in an election run-up, but then goes to sleep once he’s elected.)

Maybe, an Asian NZ will boost economic performance in the way British settlement did. If so let’s see how. There’s no evidence that Asians have boosted our export performance. They settle in Auckland, Consumer City, which gobbles up half of our imports but exports fuck all. Our half-century of balance of payments deficits hasn’t been halted by the just-popped dairy bubble. How will NZ, with a now surging population, generate enough exports to sustain our standard of living?

As noted above by another poster, mass immigration, alone, as an economic solution is a Ponzi scheme, but it’s a Ponzi scheme with potentially devastating consequences.
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April 3, 2015 11:04am
Reid

Reid, your now an avowed supporter of diversity and multiculturalism ?

No of course not stupidboy. This is because both of those movements are social engineering mind control programs for idiots and morons like yourself.

I’m absolutely against racism, but what I’m against is the actual form of racism as defined in the dictionary, which is not what those bastardised versions of propaganda purport to uphold.

Let me give you an example. Sweden now has one of the highest proportions of rapes per head of any country in the EU. Most of those rapes are committed by Muslims. Many of them are gang rapes. The media has a conundrum. See, if it supports feminism, then it goes against multiculturalism. So what does it do? Well, the media in our controlled societies has a hierarchy, and in this case, at this time, the hierarchy goes that feminism loses out. So apparently, all those blond Swedish girls don’t matter as much as Muslim gang rapists, in the media hierarchy, in Sweden, today. So consequently the Muslim angle is played down in both the media and in the official data gathering stats.

I just give you this stupidboy as a real actual example that’s happening right now today as a direct result of your stupid social engineering poisonous diversity and multiculturalism memes which you so dearly love. Me? I hold fast to justice which is why I reject stupidity such as yours and if it were up to me in Sweden I’d come down real hard on those Muslim rapists. And yet, I’m the one who stands up all the time for those Muslims whenever idiots on here like Manolo make comments about the religion of peace and all that.

So that’s how I roll stupidboy. I know how you roll. You’re an idiot. Who would want to be you.
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April 3, 2015 11:11am
Odakyu-sen

Jack5,

“Whether the Asianisation of NZ is good or bad, why is there no serious debate about it?”

Forgive me, but maybe it’s the….

…Silence of the Lambs?
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April 3, 2015 11:18am
OneTrack

Jack5,

“Whether the Asianisation of NZ is good or bad, why is there no serious debate about it?”

Because the progressives in power know best (they went to university, you know) , and will not tolerate any dissention from the peons?
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April 3, 2015 11:22am
hj

wat dabney (4,061 comments) says:

New Zealand would be a better, kinder place if you both fucked off and were replaced with Chinese immigrants.

After 20 million-plus simulations, the authors found that the same basic answer kept coming back: The more diverse or integrated a neighborhood is, the less socially cohesive it becomes, while the more homogenous or segregated it is, the more socially cohesive.

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2013/11/paradox-diverse-communities/7614/

IT HAS BECOME increasingly popular to speak of racial and ethnic diversity as a civic strength. From multicultural festivals to pronouncements from political leaders, the message is the same: our differences make us stronger.

But a massive new study, based on detailed interviews of nearly 30,000 people across America, has concluded just the opposite. Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam — famous for “Bowling Alone,” his 2000 book on declining civic engagement — has found that the greater the diversity in a community, the fewer people vote and the less they volunteer, the less they give to charity and work on community projects. In the most diverse communities, neighbors trust one another about half as much as they do in the most homogenous settings. The study, the largest ever on civic engagement in America, found that virtually all measures of civic health are lower in more diverse settings.

“The extent of the effect is shocking,” says Scott Page, a University of Michigan political scientist.
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity

I think this pours doubt on your position?
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April 3, 2015 11:23am
hj

Singapore’s Lee Kuan Yew Talks America’s Strengths And Weaknesses

Lee warns about the growing risk of America’s losing its “self-help culture” and going “the ideological direction of Europe.” If it continues that slide, he says bluntly, “the U.S. will be done for.” He also gives U.S. immigration practices a failing grade, declaring that “multiculturalism will destroy America.” The key question is: “do you make the Hispanics Anglo-Saxons in culture or do they make you more Latin American in culture?”

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/02/13/singapores-lee-kuan-yew-talks-americas-strangths-and-weaknesses/
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April 3, 2015 11:26am
Reid

Odakyu-sen I think you need to be careful imagining something is there when it’s not.

Japanese are possibly the most racist people on the entire planet. You and Khazarian Jews are 1 and 2, but just who gets first place I don’t know. But one of you does and the other is #2. Sorry, it’s true. Fact. I don’t particularly care about it, it’s a simple factual observation, I make no value judgement on it. Racism to me isn’t an emotional thing engendering hysteria as it often does in people who think like say, stephie. But to me it’s just another attribute possessed by a group of people. So what? That’s how I look at it.

But just because your race is racist, this doesn’t mean you are and it also doesn’t mean other races think like the Japanese do.

Most people here don’t care, it’s not something they ever think about. There is no cultural force, no snobbery, which makes Caucasian NZers want to exclude other races or coalesce amongst themselves.

What I’ve found is that it’s other races who want to stick to themselves. You’ve got a lot of South Africans in the North Shore, a lot of Somalis in Mangere, etc etc etc. Why is that?

When NZers go overseas, you find most of them don’t setup communities of fellow NZers like a lot of other nationalities do.

That fact says a lot about our national character.
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April 3, 2015 11:31am
Odakyu-sen

Auckland is multicultural???

Bwaaaaa hahahahahahaha!!!!

Sure, if you take a photo on the street, you’ll catch people of many cultures in the frame. (Okay, on Queen St., maybe, but on other suburban streets, they’ll be elderly Chinese who don’t have a driver’s licence.)

But go to a place where people are socializing, and its monocultural. For example, the tofu shop on the high street in Panmure (all Chinese), Maraetai wharf in the summer (all Polynesian), Howick Club (all white). I could go on.
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April 3, 2015 11:37am
Fletch

Here’s what is happening in Indiana in the U.S.

A TV reporter from a local news station took it upon herself to locate a Christian business (which happened to be a pizza place), walk in there and ask if they would serve at a gay wedding. Of course they said no, because it went against their faith. They would serve anyone, any other time, gays, people of any color or religion, but not a gay wedding. It is a situation (people having a wedding reception in a pizza place) that is never likely to crop up, yet the business was inundated with death threats, hate mail, charges of bigotry, etc – so much so that they had to close their doors and may never reopen.

In short, a family lost their business over a story fabricated out of nothing.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/01/rfra-how-a-local-tv-station-ruined-a-business-and-threatened-a-familys-safety/

See, that is what it has come to. I have said before on Kiwiblog that gays are like Islam, which must not be criticized in any way – and the media are their enforcers. Lesbian conservative Tammy Bruce has said that gays are the new fascist bullies –

“If there’s anyone in the world who should understand the vulnerability of being a minority, of being somebody that maybe others don’t understand or relate to, the vulnerability about work and jobs, being able to live your life as you see fit, it’s the gay community,” Bruce said.

“For me to turn around in the 21st century and see that this is what we were fighting for, so we could condemn people who are different, and with whom we disagree is the antithesis of what every civil rights movement was about.”

“I think when you see a mob operating, there is fear, and you tend to retreat,” Bruce added. “We saw this with Chick-Fil-A. Everyone came to their defense when they were under attack by fascists, by bullies. The gay liberals have turned into bullies, when our work is to stop that kind of behavior.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gay-fox-guest-warns-lgbt-movement-against-turning-into-fascist-bullies/

The only good thing about it, conservative radio host Dana Loesh started a Fund-me campaign for the business, which has raised over $225,000.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/04/nearly-150000-raised-for-christian-pizzeria-after-threats-force-owners-into-hiding/

Not sure how much compensation that is after you’ve been forced into hiding and when you have been forced from your livlihood by gay bullies.
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April 3, 2015 11:40am
wat dabney

hj,

The idea that the state should be engineering ‘social cohesion’ by enforcing ethnic segregation is repugnant. Yet here you are unashamedly espousing it.

The allure of fascism really is timeless isn’t it.
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April 3, 2015 11:43am
OneTrack

“Not sure how much compensation that is after you’ve been forced into hiding and when you have been forced from your livlihood by gay bullies.”

You probably mean progressive bullies – you will drink the progressive Kool-Aid. Or else.
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April 3, 2015 11:44am
hj

Odakyu-sen (1,219 comments) says:
April 3rd, 2015 at 10:59 am

I am noticing a pattern

Sensitivity over the phrase: “lest we forget” “No it isn’t, this is (was) our country…”

Different human ethnic groups and races have been separated for thousands of years and during this period they have evolved some genetic distinctiveness. The basic logic is this: based on the fundamental principles of evolutionary biology, each person has an interest in the genetic uniqueness of his or her ethnic group and race. In other words, people have an interest in their ethnic group in exactly the same way that parents have a genetic interest in raising their children. In raising my children, I ensure that my unique genes are passed on to the next generation. This is the fundamental principle of Darwin’s theory of evolution. But in defending my ethnic interests, I am doing the same thing – ensuring that the genetic uniqueness of my ethnic group is passed into the next generation. When I succeed as a parent, my ethnic group also succeeds because the genetic uniqueness of my ethnic group is perpetuated as part of my child’s genetic inheritance. But when my ethnic group succeeds in defending its interests, I also succeed because the genetic uniqueness that I share with other members of the ethnic group is passed on. And this is the case even if I do not have children myself: I succeed genetically when my ethnic group as a whole prospers.

The analysis assumes more than one population: ethnic interests only exist in relation to other groups. When world populations are sampled, genetic differences between groups are significant – about the same as the kinship between a grandparent and a grandchild. This is a far from trivial amount, and the result is that humans have an enormous genetic interest in their ethnic groups.

This genetic interest becomes so large because it is tied to the actual number of ethnic group members who, in the modern world, can total in the millions, or, I suppose billions, in the case of the Chinese. Each human thus has a very large genetic interest, but how best to defend those interests? A critical proposal is that ethnic groups have a vital interest in defending territory against immigration from other ethnic groups: “For all of past human experience and still today, control of a territory is a precious resource for maintaining ethnic genetic interests in the long run”. Loss of numbers within a territory dominated by one’s ethnic group as a result, say, of disease or natural disaster, results in a loss of ethnic fitness, but this loss is not critical because the numbers can eventually be made up.

However, in a world of limited resources and carrying capacity – indeed, a world that, in the view of many experts, has already reached unsustainable human populations – immigration of ethnic outsiders constitutes a permanent loss of fitness. For example, Salter notes that wealthy Western societies with economic opportunities, and a high level of public goods such as medical care, are magnets for immigration from around the world. Because of continued immigration and high fertility among many immigrant ethnic groups, the result is displacement of the founding populations, as in Australia, Belgium, Canada, France, and the Netherlands. If present trends continue, the United States’ founding European-derived population is set to become a minority by the middle of this century; in the British Isles the submergence date is just two generations later, around 2100. This represents a catastrophic loss of genetic interest for the natives. The extent of that loss depends, of course, not only on the numbers of immigrants, but also on their genetic distance from the host population. At the extremes, the results are nothing short of astounding: Salter shows that it would be more genetically advantageous for, say, a Bantu to give his life resisting immigration of two members of a genetically distant group like North-East Asians than it would be to rescue one of his own children.

http://web.csulb.edu/~kmacd/SalterRevNatObs.htm
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April 3, 2015 11:48am
Fletch

Just starting to read this. How a marketer uses / used blogs to influence the media to manipulate the news we see to benefit his clients.

Trust Me, I’m Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator, Ryan Holiday

You’ve seen it all before. A malicious online rumor costs a company millions. A political sideshow derails the national news cycle and destroys a candidate. Some product or celebrity zooms from total obscurity to viral sensation. What you don’t know is that someone is responsible for all this. Usually, someone like me. I’m a media manipulator. In a world where blogs control and distort the news, my job is to control blogs-as much as any one person can. IN TODAY’S CULTURE… Blogs like Gawker, BuzzFeed, and The Huffington Post drive the media agenda. Bloggers are slaves to money, technology, and deadlines. Manipulators wield these levers to shape everything you read, see, and hear- online and off.Why am I giving away these secrets? Because I’m tired of a world where blogs take indirect bribes, marketers help write the news, reckless journalists spread lies, and no one is accountable for any of it. I’m going to explain exactly how the media really works. What you choose to do with this information is up to you.

I learned about the book from some tweets regarding the Indiana pizza place –

“Y’all see how the lies about the pizzeria were started somewhere small and picked up by MSM right? Read this book”

“Learn how the left manipulates the media. Lies, half-truths bubble up from small, obscure sources. Picked up and run with as fact.”

“I’m begging you. If you ever want to beat the left at their own game, read that book. Study it. Learn how to use it for good and not evil.”

https://storify.com/KristinaRibali/the-false-media-narrative-on-memories-pizza-isn-t
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April 3, 2015 11:52am
Griff

Here Fletch this explains it all
http://40.media.tumblr.com/8116d2cbb8447c6ec3d9fc9e1de2b60e/tumblr_n1zzq6Wzl91qzc61co1_500.jpg
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April 3, 2015 11:55am
kowtow

This is bad new for our export led economy.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/567815/Farmers-hail-landmark-end-hated-EU-milk-quotas
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