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wellygirl

Penny you do a disservice to Labour voters by referring to them as poor dumb people. You also do a disservice to them by saying they now ‘get’ strategic voting, I believe they have always ‘got’ strategic voting, they have just been morally opposed to it until now.

Do those on the left know what you really think of them? That you think of them as ‘poor (dumb) people? You don’t seem to have much respect for anyone at all.
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April 2, 2015 4:11pm
Shawn Herles

“Well clearly not – that distinction would easily go to Nazi Germany”

The Nazi’s ruled Germany for just over a decade. Soviet tyranny lasted for over 70 year years.

“And the USSR is not synonymous with Russia.”

Bullshit. The USSR was just the old Russian Empire renamed. Other than the name change the entire project was created by, led by, and for the sole benefit of Russia.

“But it was an internal matter that did not impact people outside the USSR”

Oh, so so long as it’s an “internal matter” mass murder does not count? How very convenient!

Also, Soviet/Russian tyranny impacted many, many millions outside of Russia, including much of Eastern Europe.

Seriously, you are just flailing about now as your original argument has collapsed.
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April 2, 2015 4:13pm
Shawn Herles

1968: Russia brings winter to ‘Prague Spring’

“Dozens of people have been killed in a massive military clampdown in Czechoslovakia by five Warsaw Pact countries.
Several members of the liberal Czechoslovak leadership have been arrested, including Prime Minister Alexander Dubcek.

The Soviet news agency, Tass, claims “assistance” was requested by members of the Czechoslovak Government and Communist party leaders to fight “counter-revolutionary forces”.”

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/august/21/newsid_2781000/2781867.stm
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April 2, 2015 4:15pm
Shawn Herles

The real reason we have an Islamic terrorist problem: The Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/russia_invasion_afghanistan.htm
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April 2, 2015 4:18pm
Kimbo

@ Shawn Herles

Bullshit. The USSR was just the old Russian Empire renamed. Other than the name change the entire project was created by, led by, and for the sole benefit of Russia.

Umm, Shawn old chap, you may be over-reaching. I seem to remember there was a great deal of debate among the Politburo in the 1920s over whether the revolution would go international, or confine itself for the time being to the USSR. Trotsky ended up with an ice pick in his skull over that difference of opinion.

Plus even under Stalin the Comintern was in action, supporting revolution in places such as Spain and China. Granted it was also for the primary interest of the USSR, but other than the totally impractical Troskyites, that is how most nations, including communist ones, must conduct their affairs.

And the USSR was just the old Russian Empire renamed?! The Romanovs were not particularly competent or worthwhile rulers, but they were saints compared to what came after. For example, there was no imprisonment for “thought-crimes” until the Bolsheviks. If there were similarities, that is because any new regime emulates or adopts as many practices of the past as practical, in order to maintain continuity. Even Martin Luther was described as “the Pope on the Elbe”
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April 2, 2015 4:24pm
Andrei

1968 was the same year as the Tet Offensive Shawn and the Prague Spring occurred about the same time as the Mai Lai massacre which actually had a much bigger death toll than the Prague Spring did and this was long before before the US invasion of Granada which had an even bigger death toll among innocent civilians than both of those two events put together.

So while you may care to recall events from long ago to slam a country that has ceased to exist to tar a modern Nation with sins it didn’t commit how about you look in a mirror?
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April 2, 2015 4:26pm
Sofia

Penny Bright suggests “The poor (dumb) people now ‘get’ strategic voting.”

Meanwhile –

Peters said he didn’t owe Labour anything for the way the votes unfolded on Saturday because no deal had ever been signed.
“I had no discussions with Labour . . . I’m not beholden to anybody,” he said.
Labour effectively removed themselves from the race in Northland and threw their support behind Peters when polls revealed it was a tight two-horse race between the NZ First leader and National’s candidate, Mark Osborne.

Winston betrays those Labour voters in less than 48 hours.
Same lesson as Sabin taught
Very similar to that which Pants Down Len Brown gave to all his voters.

Yes, they have all learnt and now ‘get’ strategic voting.
And they should continue to pay attention to Winston because the lessons are probably still not over.

Oh dear ……

Sink your gums into THAT one Penny.
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April 2, 2015 4:31pm
Sofia

In FACT, Penny
Unbelievably, since Andrew Little has become Leader of the Opposition, he has barely spoken to Winston Peters and even more unbelievably he hasn’t yet met him since National’s Northland debacle.

Not only has Winston betrayed those Labour voters who supported him –
Peters said he didn’t owe Labour anything for the way the votes unfolded on Saturday because no deal had ever been signed. “I had no discussions with Labour . . . I’m not beholden to anybody,” he said.
– but Little has betrayed them too, not yet making a move to seek any advantage of Winston taking Northland with Labour help, but instead seeing his candidate suffer a 85% loss of support, for no return.

Very strategic, Penny
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April 2, 2015 4:49pm
Redbaiter

“To be blunt, you could not pay me to live in 21st century Britain.”

I don’t think you would be all that welcome there anyway. I think the natives have had quite enough of white hating foreigners from distant sub-cultures invading their country. Especially when they’re so contemptuous (see below) of the benefits they gained from colonisation, like legal frameworks that turned vast expanses of land into countries, and more focused benefits like hospitals schools and law and order.

Yes Red, your ancestors did behave like savages. That’s the truth.

The savages were those people like you who stole our land through murder, and then forced marched most of my tribe hundreds of miles to Oklahoma, a march that left thousands dead, including women and children.

We did not invade England and wipe out millions through disease, concentration camps, and mass deportations.

Millions dies from white diseases, were forced off their land into concentration camps, and given disease infested blankets in an early form of germ warfare.

And that is just the tip of the iceberg. By any reasonable standards, that was not just harsh, it was evil and deliberate mass murder.

As for “barbaric practices” we did not hang, draw and quarter people, as the English were fond of, nor did we force march thousands of women and children to their deaths, as the English did to us.
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April 2, 2015 4:52pm
Shawn Herles

“1968 was the same year as the Tet Offensive Shawn”

Yes, carried out by Russian funded puppets.

Why was the US in Vietnam? Because Russia was trying to turn the country into another communist hell hole and another client state.
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April 2, 2015 4:58pm
Shawn Herles

“Umm, Shawn old chap, you may be over-reaching.”

Not remotely. The USSR was an entirely Russian creation. It’s actions were the actions of Russia.

Andrei’s hilarious claim was that the USA, not Russia, will go down in history as one of the biggest mass killing machines.

That is not a credible claim, given Russia’s history and it’s actions in the 20th century, and the actions of the USSR WERE the actions of Russia. That to me is undeniable.

Over-reaching would be Andrei’s equally hilarious attempts to excuse Russian crimes and mass murder.
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April 2, 2015 5:03pm
Shawn Herles

White Genocide, Eurabia and Other White Supremacist Nonsense.

http://debunkingdenialism.com/2014/01/11/white-genocide-eurabia-and-other-white-supremacist-nonsense/
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April 2, 2015 5:08pm
Redbaiter

Those who identify by some sub-culture and heap cheap baseless smears and abuse upon the European race of people who made the US and other colonies what they are today, cannot at some later stage claim credit for anything good that those same European people or their descendants may have done in the world. Not without appearing to be rank hypocrites anyway. Such abusers are not with us, they are against us.
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April 2, 2015 5:09pm
Shawn Herles

“So while you may care to recall events from long ago”

Rssian crimes against both it’s own people and it’s neighbours were not “long ago.”

“to slam a country that has ceased to exist”

USSR = Russia.

“to tar a modern Nation with sins it didn’t commit how about you look in a mirror?”

It DID commit them, and the only people in this equation who need to look in the mirror are those Russians who pretend otherwise, or worse, think it was right.

Poll: Almost a quarter of Russians regard Stalin’s death as loss of leader, teacher

http://rbth.com/news/2015/04/01/poll_almost_a_quarter_of_russians_regard_stalins_death_as_loss_of_leader_44927.html

Was Stalin’s Terror Justified? Poll Shows More Russians Think It Was.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/was-stalins-terror-justified-poll-shows-more-russians-think-it-was/518298.html

Proportion of Russians who respect Stalin is growing, poll suggests

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/11506970/Proportion-of-Russians-who-respect-Stalin-is-growing-poll-suggests.html

And all we need to do is ask the Georgians, the Ukrainians and the peoples of the Baltic states if there is any difference between the “new” Russia and the USSR. The answer would be a resounding NO.
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April 2, 2015 5:22pm
EAD

@Redbaiter,

Your 11.29am post was brilliant – one of the debating techniques is when you hold a mirror up to someone so they can see their reflection.
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April 2, 2015 5:23pm
Shawn Herles

“We can no longer trust Mr. Putin”

The Baltic states feel especially threatened by an increasingly hostile Russia. Andrius Kubilius, former Prime Minister of Lithuania, sat down with Florian Guckelsberger to discuss his idea of a “Marshall Plan“ for Ukraine, tougher sanctions, and why Putin hasn’t backed down yet.

http://www.theeuropean-magazine.com/andrius-kubilius/9685-russian-aggression-in-ukraine-and-the-baltics
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April 2, 2015 5:29pm
Redbaiter

Thanks EAD.

We all have our faults of course but the degree of unctuous hypocrisy that drips from this particular specimen is extraordinary.
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April 2, 2015 5:29pm
Shawn Herles

Got anymore videos about the evil Jews from “former” KKK leader David Duke EAD?

Are there any mirrors in your home?
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April 2, 2015 5:30pm
publicwatchdog

What happened to ‘nothing to hide – nothing to fear’ Kiwibloggers?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1504/S00055/minister-dismisses-removing-paedophile-name-suppression.htm

Minister Dismisses Removing Paedophile Name Suppression
Thursday, 2 April 2015, 4:23 pm
Press Release: New Zealand First Party

Minister Says Removing Paedophile Name Suppression a Knee ‘Jerk Reaction’

After refusing leave yesterday for the Rt Hon Winston Peters, the Member for Northland, to introduce a Bill removing the right of paedophiles to name suppression, Social Development Minister Anne Tolley has today described that Bill as “a knee-jerk reaction”.

“I never thought I’d see the day when a National Party Minister would be so soft on crime and the causes of crime, that she would block victims from having the right to lift paedophile name suppression,” says New Zealand First’s Spokesperson for Social Development Darroch Ball.

“Especially when I asked Minister Tolley whether she would support the Rt Hon Winston Peters’ Criminal Procedure (Removing PaedophileName Suppression) Amendment Bill, right off the back of a question that asked her about improving statutory child protection.

“And when a Minister uses the expression ‘a knee-jerk reaction’ we have to follow that up by asking, ‘from what?’

“There’s something not right with this government in that it is willing to block victims from having the right to lift name suppression on paedophiles. Something Minister Tolley, as the Minister of Social Development and a former Minister of Police, ought to have regard for,” says Mr Ball.
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NOT a ‘good look’ for this John Key led National Government – in my opinion …

Penny Bright
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April 2, 2015 5:35pm
Redbaiter

EAD- when I once suggested John Key’s first generation Jewish heritage may have left him slightly less engaged with the Union Jack themed NZ flag than many other NZers he turned that into a hate driven smear against Jewish people as well. Such a gross and repugnant coward.
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April 2, 2015 5:37pm
Shawn Herles

“NOT a ‘good look’ for this John Key led National Government – in my opinion …”

What is NOT a good look is someone claiming to be an anti-corruption campaigner supporting a corrupt politician.

“Peters attracted media attention in 2008 over controversial payments for legal services and party donations. He had received $100,000 in 2006 to fund legal costs of challenging the election of Bob Clarkson to the Tauranga electorate. The money came from Owen Glenn, a wealthy New Zealand businessman and philanthropist based in Monaco. Under parliamentary rules any gift to MPs over the value of $500 must be relinquished. Peters denied knowing about the source of the money but this was not corroborated by his lawyer Brian Henry and Glenn contradicted Peters’ denial.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winston_Peters#Funding_controversies

So I guess Penny that corruption is fine to you so long as the corrupt politicians in question are anti-National.
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April 2, 2015 5:40pm
publicwatchdog

Hey!

Who is the new MP for Northland?

Winston Peters.

From whom did he take this (former) SAFE seat?

National.

Did Winston Peters and Andrew Little ‘do a deal’ over strategic voting in Northland?

No.

Oh dear …… what other (formerly safe) provincial National seats may be up for grabs in 2017 – if this John Key led National Government survives the internal implosion following the impending Mike Sabin revelations?

Why can’t the public be told WHEN exactly the Police informed the Minister of Police, that Mike Sabin was under investigation?

How is THAT ‘top secret’?

I note that Rodney Hide has asked the very same question?

Penny Bright
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April 2, 2015 5:45pm
Andrei

Shawn mate you bring up Czechoslovakia 1968 which happened under Leonid Brezhnev who of course was from Dniprodzerzhynsk in Ukraine, a Ukrainian in your terms and ignore the crimes committed by the USA.

You are filled with American hubris – Grenada was against international law, so was Panama, so was Iraq, so was Libya – the USA has been conducting a dirty little war in Yemen for years and now it looks like Aden is going to fall are using proxies, in the form of that beacon of freedom Saudi Arabia to try and get it back

It is American soldiers in Columbia raping young girls and posting films of it on the internet for peadophiles to wank over, how disgusting is that Shawn Herles?

Beyond repulsive behaviour
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April 2, 2015 5:46pm
Shawn Herles

“You are filled with American hubris”

Coming from a Putin fanboy that one is hilarious! 🙂

“the USA has been conducting a dirty little war in Yemen for years and now”

Should we allow the country to fall into al-Qaeda’s hands Andrei?

“It is American soldiers in Columbia raping young girls and posting films of it on the internet for peadophiles to wank over, how disgusting is that Shawn Herles?”

Nowhere near as disgusting as the mass rapes the Russian army is known for.

“you bring up Czechoslovakia 1968 which happened under Leonid Brezhnev who of course was from Dniprodzerzhynsk in Ukraine”

He was the leader of Russia at the time, carrying out the usual Russian imperialism, so once again your own words betray you.
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April 2, 2015 5:50pm
publicwatchdog

Oh crikey Kiwibloggers – great defenders of ‘freedom of expression’ – what say you to THIS decision of the High Court?

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1504/S00041/planet-key-judgment-watson-jones-v-electoral-commission.htm

‘Planet Key’ Judgment: Watson & Jones v Electoral Commission
Thursday, 2 April 2015, 5:15 pm
Press Release: New Zealand High Court
[The follow text is based on automatic character recognition. Please refer to the original release.]

Watson & Jones v Electoral Commission

SYNOPSIS / MEDIA RELEASE

In the lead up to the 2014 general election, Darren Watson wrote and recorded a song entitled Planet Key” (the Song). Jeremy Jones then created a video to accompany the song (the Music Video). In early August 2014 Mr Watson released the Song on iTunes for paid download and Mr Jones uploaded the Music Video to the Vimeo and YouTube video websites for free viewing. Mr Watson also offered free downloads of the Song to some smaller radio stations he thought might play it.

The Song came to the attention of the Electoral Commission. The Electoral Commission advised a number of broadcasters by email that the Song could not be broadcast on radio or television because it was an election programme.

Mr Watson became aware of that advice, He asked the Commission for its official view on the status of the Song and the Music Video. On 14 August the Commission provided an advisory opinion that:

(a) the Song and the Music Video were election advertisements for the purposes of the Electoral Act 1993; and

(b) if the Song and the Music Video were broadcast on television or radio, the broadcast would be an election programme for the purposes of the Broadcasting Act 1989.

Under the Electoral Act, no person may cause an election advertisement to be published (to publish includes to broadcast) at any time unless it contains a promoter statement. The Song and the Music Video do not contain promoter statements. Therefore, if the Song and the Music Video are election advertisements they cannot be published at any time. To do so would be an illegal practice, punishable by a maximum fine of 40,000.

Under the Broadcasting Act, broadcasters may only broadcast election programmes for or on behalf of political parties or candidates, and then only during an election period during either:

(a) free time made available by TVNZ and RNZ for opening and closing addresses; or

(b) time purchased by political parties with state funding.

Therefore, if the Song and the Music Video are election programmes they may not be broadcast at any time, as they would not be being broadcast for any political party or candidate, To do so would be a summary offence by the broadcaster involved, punishable by a fine of 100,000.

Messrs Watson and Jones sought declarations from the High Court that the Song and the Music Video were not election advertisements or election programmes, In this judgment, the High Court has made the declarations sought by Messrs Watson and Jones. In doing so, the Court emphasised the importance of the rights to freedom of expression and to participate in genuine elections for Parliament, confirmed by the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990. The High Court also acknowledged and applied the requirement of s 6 of the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act, namely that whenever an enactment can be given a meaning that is consistent with the rights and freedoms contained in the Bill of Rights, that meaning is to be preferred to any other meaning.

The High Court concluded that, under the Electoral Act, the concept of an advertisement does not, as the Electoral Commission suggested, simply mean any form of announcement to the public. In the context of broadcast media, that is radio and television, the term was best understood by reference to the word commercial, as describing advertisements broadcast on radio and television.

On that basis, the High Court concluded that neither the Song nor the Music Video should, when and if broadcast, be regarded as advertisements.

The High Court also found that the restrictions in the Broadcasting Act in the broadcast of election programmes” would not apply to the Song and the Music Video. In doing so, the High Court considered that the purpose of those restrictions was to ensure that political parties, and others, with access to significant financial resources should not be able to purchase or obtain broadcast time so as to make an election unfair. Mr Jones had made the Song available to a small number of broadcasters. None of those broadcasters had agreed with Mr Jones that they would play the Song on air. Mr Jones had not procured the broadcast of the Song. Hence the purpose of those restrictions was not engaged. An interpretation consistent with the right of freedom of expression, as required by s 6 of NZBORA, was that broadcast of the Song (and the Music Video, although as a matter of fact it was never suggested that the Music Video would be broadcast on television) did not come within the prohibition.

The High Court also decided — for similar reasons— that, even if the Song and the Music Video were election advertisements or election programmes, relevant exceptions in the Electoral Act and the Broadcasting Act applied so that their publication or broadcast would not be illegal.

Original release: WatsonJonesvElectoralCommissionmediarelease.pdf

Full judgment: WatsonJonesvElectoralCommission.pdf
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Yes – I know it’s long – but don’t start whining Kiwibloggers – enjoy the QUALITY?

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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April 2, 2015 5:51pm
publicwatchdog

Please provide the Court case number which confirms Winston Peters has ever been CONVICTED of a ‘corrupt practice’ – loyal USA citizen Shawn Herles?

Come along Shawn Herles.

PUT UP or SHUT UP?

Or don’t use words that you don’t know the meaning of?

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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April 2, 2015 5:54pm
nasska

….”Your 11.29am post was brilliant – one of the debating techniques is when you hold a mirror up to someone so they can see their reflection.”….

Good grief EAD. Stop teasing Baity.

Take your dentures out & give him a proper gumming. 🙂
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April 2, 2015 5:56pm
stigie

“Yes – I know it’s long – but don’t start whining Kiwibloggers – enjoy the QUALITY”

Yep, another scroll wheel fucked !~
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April 2, 2015 5:57pm
Nostradamus

Penny Bright:

Yes – I know it’s long

FFS – so provide a summary and a link like everyone else does – how hard is that?

See this advice from DPF (to another commentator but the same advice applies to most of your comments):

[DPF: 10 times too long for a comment – just do a link and quote a few paras]
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April 2, 2015 5:57pm
Sofia

Penny, having followed your own law-breaking disclosures regarding an overseas website and name suppression, there will be few Kiwibloggers unaware as to why you, and your new hero Winston Peters, are interested in this issue.

FACT: New Zealand First has NO PRIOR HISTORY of championing this issue but suddenly law is proposed by Peters in the by-Election and then yesterday pushed in the House in a way that was predisposed to have it dropped, rather than entering it in the draw as a private member’s bill in the normal procedure.
NZF antics, for cheap political gain – not even advantage because the by-Election is won, and was before this law change was announced – will likely lessen the chances of genuine change in this law in the near future, and in doing so considerably harms the human rights of people like the victim of the Queenstown sex molester.

Both you and New Zealand First are involved in the dirtiest politics possible.

NOT a ‘good look’ for a ” transparent” self-titled anti-corruption so-called watchdog – in my considered opinion …
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April 2, 2015 5:59pm
Redbaiter

“Take your dentures out & give him a proper gumming.”

Some news for you narsekissa.

Not everyone thinks and behaves like you and Stoogie.
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April 2, 2015 6:01pm
Shawn Herles

“Please provide the Court case number which confirms Winston Peters has ever been CONVICTED of a ‘corrupt practice’”

That’s a crap excuse Penny. Peters was exposed as a liar who who used funds he was not entitled to. There is no denying that, merely because it did not go to court.

So, your excuse is lame, and the fact is you are supporting and promoting a corrupt politician.

Thus you claim to be a “public” anti-corruption activist is a fraud.

AND YOU KNOW IT.
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April 2, 2015 6:01pm
stigie

I know of a certain blog that is closed up for the weekend, but there’s really no need to come over here for a wankfest
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April 2, 2015 6:01pm
Andrei

This Speaks for itself

According to Colombia’s leading newspaper, El Tiempo, the victims of the sexual abuse practices were forced to flee the region after their families received death threats.

Other Americans stationed at the Tolemaida Air Base allegedly committed similar crimes, but possibly also never saw a day in court due to an immunity arrangement for American soldiers and military contractors agreed by Washington and Bogota.

“Yes, we took her and we raped her. So what?”
Alleged words of US Sergeant Michael J. Coen to the mother of a 12-year-old rape victim.

One case that has called most attention in Colombian media was that of a 12-year-old who in 2007 was raped by a US Army sergeant and a former US military officer who was working in Melgar as a military contractor.

Colombian prosecutors established that the girl had been drugged and subsequently raped inside the military base by US sergeant Michael J. Coen and defense contractor Cesar Ruiz.

However, prosecution officials were not allowed to arrest the suspected child rapists who were subsequently flown out of the country.
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April 2, 2015 6:03pm
Redbaiter

“come over here for a wankfest”

You can’t blame others for what you and Narsekissa get up to.
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April 2, 2015 6:04pm
Andrei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiDq71bh7X8
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April 2, 2015 6:13pm
stigie

That video that Andrei just put up, was that you with the viking hat on Reddy ?
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April 2, 2015 6:17pm
Shawn Herles

Look in the mirror Andrei.

Stalin’s army of rapists: The brutal war crime that Russia and Germany tried to ignore.

“‘They raped every German female from eight to 80”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1080493/Stalins-army-rapists-The-brutal-war-crime-Russia-Germany-tried-ignore.html

Rape Allegations Surface in Chechnya.

“Russian soldiers have been raping Chechen women in areas of Russian-controlled Chechnya.Human Rights Watch charged today.

A team of Human Rights Watch investigators in Ingushetia has spoken to a number of Chechen refugees who saw the bodies of victims, or had conversations with women who had been raped.

“Rape is a war crime, and these allegations about rape in Chechnya are very serious,” said Regan Ralph, executive director of the Women’s Rights Division of Human Rights Watch. She stressed that according to international law, any single rape could be a war crime.

According to “Malika” (not her real name), on December 19, 1999, Russian soldiers raped and killed her neighbor, twenty-three-year-old “Fira” (not her real name). They were both residents of the Chechen town of Shali. Malika described Fira as “very beautiful,” and five or six months pregnant. She said the soldiers also killed Fira’s mother-in- law, “Rozet” (not her real name), aged about sixty, during the same incident.”

https://www.hrw.org/news/2000/01/19/rape-allegations-surface-chechnya
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April 2, 2015 6:18pm
Shawn Herles

Eye-witness accounts of rape and horrific war crimes By Russians in Georgia.

“We hadn’t even passed a kilometre, when we were stopped by 30 armed Russians. A skinny guy put is head into the minibus, saw Mari and pulled her out of the car. All in all there were three men in the bus, which they started to beat with their guns. Then they told the driver to drive on, I still have Maris pale face on my mind….

Aliko Guliashvili, 75 years old, refugee the village of Eredvi:

“It´s hard for me to speak about those things, but I have to, cause all have to know how inhuman and sadistic these Russians are. Take them to court, I beg you…..

My wife has died when she gave birth to our twins, I raised our twins alone, after that also my grandchildren. When this horrible war started Ani was 17, Levan 15. Levan was torn into pieces in front of my eyes by a bomb, his body has been separated from the legs. Ani was taken to a house by soldiers, those murderers, I could hear hear wailing and moaning, but coudn´t do anything about it; I was lying on the ground, after they had beaten me up….

And those pigs still weren’t satisfied with raping her, they told her: “Run, if you make it away from here within 10 seconds, you´ll be free. The deafened and weeping child ran away and was shot by them when they hadn´t even count to three. My dear grandchild sank down immediately…….”

http://russiangeorgianwar.blogspot.com/2008/08/girls-raped-by-soldiers-age-21.html
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April 2, 2015 6:20pm
nasska

I must have led a sheltered life. Where do you get these links from Andrei? 🙂
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April 2, 2015 6:22pm
Shawn Herles

Personally I would rather see a pretty girl in a bikini than Putin with his shirt off, but then I’m not Russian. 🙂
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April 2, 2015 6:25pm
nasska

Different strokes for different folks Shawn. 🙂
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April 2, 2015 6:26pm
Andrei

Lol Shawn you should watch the movie that article is based on, better yet read the diary from which it was taken

Eine Frau in Berlin

but the words, even translated into English might be too big for you and there are no Americans in it so it might go over your head
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April 2, 2015 6:39pm
Reid

Or you might just want to read Hellstorm which I’ve mentioned many times.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Hellstorm-Death-Nazi-Germany-1944-1947/dp/097138522X

And I see there’s an upcoming doco. Might correct some myths amongst our weaker thinkers. Doubtful it’ll work, but anything’s worth trying.

http://www.hellstormdocumentary.com/
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April 2, 2015 6:50pm
EAD

Reid – Thanks for the reading tip on Hellstorm – after reading the reviews, I’ll download it and take a look at it over the long weekend

It was reading General George S Patton’s writings that woke me up to the truth about what went on in the dying days of WW II and immediately afterwards and that all we are taught to believe is perhaps not what it seems. While the public of America are encouraged to develop a hatred towards all “enemies” i.e. Soviet Russia, it becomes obvious for people that are widely read, that the cable that control America and who controlled Soviet Russia were in fact one and the same.

Here is a short summary:

http://www.rense.com/general85/pats.htm
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April 2, 2015 7:19pm
Reid

after reading the reviews, I’ll download it and read it over the long weekend

It’s horrific, but everyone in the West needs to have read it. It would change the world if so.

Thanks for the Patton link too. I haven’t read of him closely but I’m aware he was one of the good guys and he was taken out.

One of the issues isn’t it that to you and I someone like Patton being taken out is neither here nor there since we know of so many in great detail beyond any doubt, whereas to someone uneducated, it’s just the most extraordinarily unthinkable unimaginable thing as to well I never, simply didn’t happen, simply couldn’t happen, never in a million years, therefore….

Sad really.

For them.
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April 2, 2015 7:33pm
Manolo

AGW is to blame, says addled Griff: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150402/us-california-drought-dismal-snowpack-01dd9b77a7.html
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April 2, 2015 7:40pm
Griff

😆
Manolo you dont speak for me.
Is this part of you piss fucked problem thinking you are someone else?
Its called psychoses when you have a loss of contact with realty.
Get a psychiatric check mate you are obviously mad as a swarm of bees in a tumble drier.
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April 2, 2015 7:47pm
srylands

This woman is ruining an excellent blog.
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April 2, 2015 7:50pm
Griff

Gee reddy find some extra strong brave pills?
Or has the onanistic circle jerk that is your own blog lost its novelty?
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April 2, 2015 7:52pm
Scott Chris

This is quite an interesting quiz; When Will You Die?

Rather sobering:

http://www.gotoquiz.com/special/when_will_i_die.html
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April 2, 2015 7:56pm
stigie

You just scroll on by the mad women Srylands as long as your wheel can take it ole chap !~
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April 2, 2015 7:57pm
Manolo

C’mon Griff. You blame every metereological disaster, e.g. hurricanes, droughts, floods, etc. on AGW. California cannot be an exception. Your guru Al Gore has already spoken about it.
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April 2, 2015 7:57pm
Scott Chris

And for those with an unusual outlook on life, here’s a site where you can buy religiously themed sex toys:

http://divine-interventions.com/
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April 2, 2015 8:02pm
publicwatchdog

What LAW have I broken Sofia?

As usual, I take full personal responsibility for my actions, and put my full name to my posts.

What I think is ‘dirty politics’ is that the voting public of Northland had their former MP resign – for ‘personal’ reasons, when he has been subject to a Police investigation.

The question is WHEN did Police advise the Minister of Police that Mike Sabin was being investigated?

Was Mike Sabin reselected as the National candidate for Northland when he was being investigated by Police?

Yes or no?

Would the outcome of the 2014 General Election been different, had Mike Sabin NOT been reselected as National’s Northland candidate, and there had been a HUGE public fuss over WHY he had not been reselected?

Was a calculated gamble taken to reselect Mike Sabin as the Northland National candidate, and just ‘hope for the best’?

If so – at what level was this ‘calculated gamble’ taken?

Just asking ….

The HARD questions that others seem to prefer to leave or ignore?

Penny Bright
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April 2, 2015 8:03pm
Manolo

Another terrorist attack, courtesy of the religion of peace: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32157342
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April 2, 2015 8:03pm
srylands

Penny could you please take this quiz and let us know the results?
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Scott Chris (6,221 comments) says:
April 2nd, 2015 at 7:56 pm
This is quite an interesting quiz; When Will You Die?

Rather sobering:

http://www.gotoquiz.com/special/when_will_i_die.html
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April 2, 2015 8:05pm
Griff

I dont blame every natural disaster on agw manolo .
Projection mate
More evidence of your psychoses
Though the drought in California is entering its forth year and the effects have been increased by the high temperatures caused by AGW. If they dont get a lot of rain very soon they are fucked.
An example of the effects of what you call catastrophic anthropic global warming.
By the way manolo stop wanking over AL Gore its rather disgusting to show such man love in public.
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April 2, 2015 8:08pm
nasska

Kea’s suspension will be up on the 6th. It’ll be great to have him back. 🙂
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April 2, 2015 8:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Scott Chris 7:56pm

Rather sobering:

bloody sobering if you are a healthy female teetotaller…..

I may have to adopt some bad habits if I am to avoid a dribbly demise in a happy farm for the confused.
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April 2, 2015 8:12pm
stigie

Does that mean you will be living till 110 Maggy ?
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April 2, 2015 8:20pm
nasska

Wait until Winston’s your pin up boy but you vote NZ Conservative because you like their social policies Maggy.

Then you’ll know that it’s time to check yourself into the Brian Edwards Home for the Perpetually Bewildered. 🙂
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April 2, 2015 8:21pm
publicwatchdog

Will Labour voters be objectively better off, generally speaking, over a range of issues, by Winston Peters having taken Northland off National, and leaving them with 59 instead 60 MPs?

A bit of a ‘no brainer’ isn’t it Sofia?

Given that there is basically no way Labour’s Northland candidate Willow-Jean Prime could have won Northland, strategically voting Winston Peters was surely plain commonsense?

Just saying ….

I know – common sense just ain’t that common – but for the first time the so-called ‘left’ SUCCESSFULLY practiced ‘strategic voting’, without a ‘deal’ between Party leaders, without a ‘cup of tea’ and without explicit voting instructions – as it were.

It’s ok – I understand how truly upsetting this must be to some Kiwibloggers …

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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April 2, 2015 8:22pm
Reid

What LAW have I broken Sofia?

The law against being a complete mental Penny.

Lefties try to pretend this law doesn’t exist (yeah right, they would, wouldn’t they), but it does, hence the penalties you’re now suffering.

I suggest you withdraw and apologise as this law in its benevolence provides for. If you don’t, well…

See what happens.
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April 2, 2015 8:27pm
publicwatchdog

Sorry Srylands

No point my ‘doing’ that longevity quiz.

I simply have SO much trouble to make and SO many Kiwibloggers to upset – I will never die.

😉

Have a lovely evening Kiwibloggers 🙂

Kind regards

Her Warship 😉
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April 2, 2015 8:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ Stigie 8:20

My quiz result came out at age 100.

But the quiz didn’t ask about my vision…. I’m bound to have walked in front of big red bus or plunged down a flight of stairs well before I go completely gaga.
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April 2, 2015 8:28pm
Shawn Herles

“Will Labour voters be objectively better off, generally speaking, over a range of issues, by Winston Peters having taken Northland off National, and leaving them with 59 instead 60 MPs?”

No pro-corruption Penny, they will not.

Don’t worry though, sooner or later Labour will win an election, and then you will have even more corrupt politicians to cheer on and support.
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April 2, 2015 8:29pm
stigie

A great result Maggy, but i bet you a knob of goats poo that if dear Penny did the quiz, it would come out that she would live till 120 !~
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April 2, 2015 8:34pm
Sofia

Penny – you know perfectly well how you were breaking the law, else why did DPF order you to stop.

Name suppression means that a person’s name and any details that may identify them cannot be published

Criminal Procedure Act 2011
211 Offences and penalties
(1) Every person commits an offence who knowingly or recklessly publishes any name, address, occupation, or other information in breach of a suppression order or in breach of any of sections 201, 203, and 204.

Six months in prison or a fine.
The $100,000 would set you back a little further than the rates you currently owe 🙂
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April 2, 2015 8:35pm
Viking2

I see the big boys are now threatening the little guys again and attempting to block your access to things on the net. Seems the “studio’s” have been roped in to help based on loss of royalties.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11427127

goin’ back to the days of bullies and regionalised distribution.
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April 2, 2015 8:35pm
Shawn Herles

“Or you might just want to read Hellstorm which I’ve mentioned many times.”

Reid’s Hellstorm is a pro-Nazi “documentary” that claims the Nazi’s were the real good guys.

Take a look at the list of what those who approve of Reid’s “documentary” also liked.

‘The Myth of German Villainy’ ‘Jewish Domination of Weimar Germany’ and I kid you not ‘Hitler the Democrat’

And of course two books claiming the Holocaust was a fraud.

Of course EAD is already on board and ready to imbibe the “truth” that Hitler was a saint and the evil Jews caused WW2.

I think both have lost the right to whine when people, RIGHTLY, point out they are basically just Neo-Nazis without the guts to be honest about it.
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April 2, 2015 8:38pm
Shawn Herles

Lot’s of very enthusiastic support for “Hellstorm” here.

https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1066699/

And a Google search on the “documentaries” maker, one Kyle Hunt, reveals that he is in fact an out of the closet Neo-Nazi.

Apparently he tried to organize a “White Man” march to protest the ongoing genocide of white people.

FFS. There really is one born every minute.
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April 2, 2015 8:52pm
Reid

Shawn how are you on the whole ‘God wants us to subjugate the world so Jesus can come again’ bit like your neocon mates believe?

It’s just that’s really bananas and you’ve told us you’re a neocon and that’s what neocons believe as we all know, so naturally I’m wondering where you are on the scale as far as that goes?

BTW people. Read Hellstorm. Captain Bananas doesn’t know what he’s talking about, he’s making it up, lying basically. He’s a liar. It pains me to accuse a fellow Christian of that but I’m afraid Captain Bananas is a false witness, plain and simple and stands accordingly. Don’t believe him. Read Hellstorm, if you’re interested in justice and truth. Seriously.
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April 2, 2015 9:02pm
Grant

Bedlam’s open late tonight……
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April 2, 2015 9:09pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jvwhbadnfagzu4k/Religionutters%2022.jpg?dl=0
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April 2, 2015 9:10pm
Tauhei Notts

EAD at 7.19.
Thank you for bringing that attachment to my attention.
I read a book named “After The Reich” by Giles MacDonagh which I had purchased from Amazon recently.
Your post and the attachment gave me a much better appreciation of that book.
May I recommend to you a book by a New Zealander named “Red Runs The Vistula”. I forget the author’s name. Was it L. Ron Jeffery?, but I may not be correct in memory. He was very critical of Philby and his mates’ influence in the British secret service. But our left wing main stream media would never ever allow that information to be published if the low down cock sucking bastards could possibly help it.
Please be assured that your contributions to this blog are appreciated. It is contributors such as yourself that make this the best blog in the blogosphere.
I hope you have a wonderful Easter weekend.
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April 2, 2015 9:15pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn how are you on the whole ‘God wants us to subjugate the world so Jesus can come again’ bit like your neocon mates believe?”

I have never heard any neoconservative express that idea, and given that most of the original neoconservatives were Jews, it’s highly unlikely they were preparing for the Second Coming.

Once again you have your facts wrong, and have proven, again, that you have no clue what a neoconservative is.

“BTW people. Read Hellstorm.”

Most of the people on KB have enough brains to recognize pro-Nazi propaganda when they see it, so your trying to roll a boulder uphill there. Thankfully.
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April 2, 2015 9:16pm
Ryan Sproull

Holy shit, Reid, you do recommend some incredible bullshit.
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April 2, 2015 9:32pm
Lucia Maria

Well, Reid, all that Hellstorm rubbish kinda beats the Vatican being run by Satanists.

Let me guess, the German Nazis weren’t the real Nazis, as the real Nazis are running Ukraine right now.
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April 2, 2015 9:35pm
Ryan Sproull

Quick poll.

Thumbs up if you think the Nazis were a bunch of fascist fuckers.

Thumbs down if you think that, you know, maybe they had some good ideas.
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April 2, 2015 9:37pm
Reid

Ryan, which part of Hellstorm is bullshit?

Lucia, same question.

Of course you’ve both read it.

Naturally.

Thumbs up if you think the Nazis were a bunch of fascist fuckers.

Of course they were.

What does that have to do with Hellstorm?

Especially if you’re a Buddhist? That makes this book all the more relevant.

Seriously. It does.

??

Do you even know what it is Ryan?
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April 2, 2015 9:38pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

Naturally, I haven’t read it. And I won’t. A very quick search does bring up a large number of very distasteful people who have read it, which does indicate a great deal about what it is about. Therefore, no need to read it.
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April 2, 2015 9:44pm
Reid

Seriously, I never intended to spend the evening discussing Hellstorm but given the reaction from some of you, I think it needs to be said.

It’s the story of how German civilians were slaughtered in the years 1945-1948. It’s a story that has never been told in the West because the victors write the history.

It’s a factual historical account of barbaric brutality against men, women and children who all found themselves in situations mostly not of their own making.

Why any of you can’t or won’t see that as the tragedy it in fact is simply because some people in Germany committed crimes against others, is beyond me.

But it’s evident that’s exactly what you can’t see.

Which says a whole lot about you.

Ignorance isn’t dangerous, until its chosen. And you people chose to be. This is dangerous, for you. That’s sad. For you. And you’re risking your loved ones cursing you for your choice. Because if you chose ignorance, you won’t be able to help them, when it matters.
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April 2, 2015 9:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Stigie 8:34pm

but i bet you a knob of goats poo that if dear Penny did the quiz, it would come out that she would live
till 120

Assuming that she continues to post an average of 10 times/day, then you’ve got less than quarter of a million epistles to read.
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April 2, 2015 9:48pm
Griff

then you’ve got less than quarter of a million epistles to ~~read.~~ scroll past.
Fixed
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April 2, 2015 9:53pm
Lucia Maria

Hellstorm is a work of propaganda. This, from a favourable reviewer:

I was flattered when asked to review Thomas Goodrich’s book Hellstorm. Though first published in 2010 it has recently come out in paperback and Kindle editions and deserves wider notice. That said, I knew this would not be an easy book to read and review…

Right from the start Goodrich grabs the reader by the lapels and shakes him. He starts by describing the fate of the East Prussian village of Nemmerdorf. In October 1944 it became the first town in Germany proper to be overrun by the Red Army. Soviet troops went into a blood frenzy of rape, torture, and murder.

The author makes it clear that by 1944 the war aims of the Allies was not just the defeat of the German armed forces, nor even the destruction of the National Socialist regime, but rather, “nothing less than the utter extinction of the German nation” (6). Why the genocidal intent?

Goodrich suggests that, in large part, this genocide was the culmination of an eleven-year propaganda campaign against Germany lead mainly by American Jews. International Jewry had declared war on Germany in 1933 by instituting economic sanctions as well as the above-mentioned propaganda offensive. The author quotes from Theodore N. Kaufman’s book Germany Must Perish! “Germany must perish forever! In fact — not in fancy . . . by preventing the people of Germany from ever reproducing their kind” (7). He also cites Ben Hecht’s A Guide for the Bedeviled in which Germany and Germans are compared to a cancer which must be destroyed.

On September 15, 1944 President Franklin Roosevelt converted such hate-filled rants into official policy by endorsing the Morgenthau Plan. Named for Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthau and developed by his chief lieutenant Harry Dexter White (both Jews), this plan envisioned reducing the postwar population of Germany by two-thirds mainly through the starvation of 50 million men, women, and children. Winston Churchill also signed on to the Morgenthau Plan.

To the east, Ilya Ehrenburg, “perhaps the most influential Jewish writer anywhere in the world,” was advocating German genocide via articles in Pravda, Isvestja, and Red Star as well as in millions of leaflets distributed at the front. “The Germans are not human beings. . . . Kill, Red Army men, kill! No fascist is innocent, be he alive, be he as yet unborn” (10).

Such a load of crap mixed in with various truths about what happened. Best way to sell a false point of view, mix truth with lies.
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April 2, 2015 9:58pm
Reid

“Hellstorm is a work of propaganda.”

How would you ever know Lucia if you’ve never even read it?

Does it occur to you that if it’s a searing work that touches on new angles for long standing myths then of course there will be disinformation on it, disguised as serious reviews?

But of course, you already “know” the answer don’t you.

I suggest you ask God whether or not you should read it and let Him guide you.

I don’t care if you do or you don’t, it makes no difference to me. But that’s what I suggest.
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April 2, 2015 10:05pm
Andrei

Well over one hundred million people died as a result of WW2 Reid

It cost Lucia Maria’s family dearly, it cost my family dearly – it hung over our childhoods like a dark cloud because our parents were badly scarred by what they lived through

It wasn’t a John Wayne movie for them it was a nightmare that cost them their homes and family.

And you go posting crap written by deadshit Americans born long after these events, and whose country was untouched by this catastrophe.

For me I don’t want to see a replay which might even be worse.

I don’t want to see my kids come home in body bags and I don’t want to see Lucia’s kids come home in body bags because of geo political games played by fuckwits
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April 2, 2015 10:38pm
Lucia Maria

On that we can agree, Andrei.
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April 2, 2015 10:52pm
Left Right and Centre

Did anyone use the old line ‘up shit creek without a paddle’ to describe the disgraced rowers ?
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April 3, 2015 5:33am
Manolo

A shitty future: http://washington.cbslocal.com/2015/04/02/study-muslims-to-outnumber-christians-worldwide-at-2070/
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April 3, 2015 6:35am
Manolo

The agressive Russians: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/02/world/europe/a-newly-assertive-russia-jolts-norways-air-defenses-into-action.html?_r=0
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April 3, 2015 6:37am
Left Right and Centre

Bad Friday: had to shop at a different supermarket just in case my own shut earlier for Easter.

Good Friday: Lots of bakery products were reduced – because they won’t really make it over the closed day, will they ? Scored the usually rare six pack cream buns half price. Same for six pack of double chocolate muffins (which I had with my own microwave custard – oh yeah).

Bad Friday: Shop was full of people stockpiling at 10pm – like me – for one closed day. Help – I’ve started shopping and I can’t get up.

Good Friday: Hey what the . . . oh, right. No farkin TV ads !!
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April 3, 2015 7:09am
Fletch

The Obama Administration just concluded one of the worst deals ever – a deal that gives Iran everything it wants. Iran’s leader walked away smiling, and the Ayatollah Khomeini has already sent out a Tweet calling this a “victory” over their “enemies”.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DefendWallSt/status/583709582247206912/photo/1

A beaming Iranian foreign minister emerged from the meeting rooms in Switzerland to announce that all of the theocracy’s major demands had been met. According to the new provisions released on the nuclear deal, Iran will get to both keep active its centrifuges and receive sanctions relief.

The State Department has released a “fact sheet” highlighting the various points of the deal. Sanctions against will be lifted immediately, and probably forever. Iran gets to keep a huge number of its nuclear centrifuges spinning, including a thousand of them at the previously hidden and illegal fortified bunker of Fordo, which is supposed to become a “peaceful” nuclear, physics, technology, and research center.

Obama will go down in history likely as the worst president ever. His name will by a curse word. At least one could say that Chamberlain was ignorant.
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