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For the public record – remember how I correctly predicted that Winston Peters would ‘nail it’

Must people here concluded the same – just without the inane bumper-sticker slogans.
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April 29, 2015 4:29pm
Rachael Membery

Kleva Kiwi (310 comments) says:

April 29th, 2015 at 4:19 pm

Freehold is not debt free. Freehold, leasehold and stratum title refer to the status of the land/property.
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April 29, 2015 4:30pm
alex Masterley

For what it is worth Mr McCready has to clamber over section 26 of the Criminal Procedure Act to make any headway with this prosecution.
It will be interesting to see if he can.
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April 29, 2015 4:33pm
PhilP

@ Kleva Kiwi

“Penny not so bright
How will you be funding your defense against the slander case John Banks will bring against you once the case is dropped against him?”

By setting up a “Give a Little” account.
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April 29, 2015 4:38pm
Viking2

Redbaiter (11,611 comments) says:
April 29th, 2015 at 3:54 pm

I look forward to the decision of the Court of Appeal as well Penny, and I am willing to wager it will go in favour of John Banks, who will be exonerated, and completely cleared of the trumped up charges against him laid by your serial bankrupt, convicted blackmailing and tax cheating friend.

Hey Keeping Stock-

How did Kim Dotcom know to split the donation into two $25000 amounts?
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ESP Reddy, didn’t you know?

Stop asking awkward questions. you realize that Banks is a Saint in the Nats. eyes don’t you?

He took the mans money and rorted the system doing so.

Got caught with his hand in the cookie jar but like all Born Agains just doesn’t consider he can do no wrong.

Watch the red ink now.
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April 29, 2015 4:46pm
Kleva Kiwi

Viking2, how could banks have rorted the system when the total amount was still declared. Its not like he was avoiding paying taxes or anything. The only possible benefit would have been avoiding Krimdotcons name appearing as a donator (which is understandable!).
If anything, it is more likely split to benefit the criminal kraut! Unless of course, John Banks had ESP and knew how bad the convicted fraudster was… and in that case, why on earth was the crown using a criminal as a reliable witness?

I’m sorry, the case does not add up to any rational person.
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April 29, 2015 4:56pm
Dave_1924

This could get interesting Ben Rachinger posting a series of blogs – about his relationship with Cam Slater….

https://medium.com/@benrachinger/

3 posts so far

Though I note Ben is factual incorrect in one of his positioning statements in post 1:

“There was warfare between the British Army and Maori when the Maori rose against the landgrabs and cultural genocide that was taking place. We lost. It culiminated in the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi”

Warfare pre 1840 in what was known as the Musket Wars, was overwhelming Maori on Maori from what I have read on the topic… the British Army became heavily involve post Treaty signing …. happy to be corrected by the more historically more learned of course….
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April 29, 2015 5:02pm
Redbaiter

Keeping Stock-

I see you answered Penny’s question but avoided mine.

What meaning should we draw from that??

I don’t know why you stand with this guy. I supported him for years myself, and then I realised he was just a barking seal. None the least when he stood for Auckland Mayor and at the direction of idiots like Bhatnagger etc adopted a completely socialist/ progressive platform.

Then after years of preaching he was a Conservative, he joins fucking ACT and then HE VOTES FOR SAME SEX MARRIAGE..!!!

You support the guy still after this kind of betrayal?

Look, I don’t like to see anyone persecuted by the courts for their political beliefs but I’m not going to go out on a limb for someone who turned out to be the political disappointment Banks did.
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April 29, 2015 5:07pm
Griff

Red .
You voted for the conservatives.
No more asset sale .
That is defined as socialist .
You claim to be a right winger.
Not in the real world .
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April 29, 2015 5:14pm
Shawn Herles

“The Nigerian Army have announced they have liberated 200 kidnapped girls from Boco Haram (spelling?)

About bloody time.”

That is extremely good news. Yeah, it took way too long, but at least they got it done.
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April 29, 2015 5:15pm
Griff

Boco Haram (spelling?)
Boko Haram
(“Western education is forbidden”), officially called Jama’atu Ahlis Sunna Lidda’Awati Wal-Jihad (Arabic: جماعة أهل السنة للدعوة والجهاد‎,
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April 29, 2015 5:18pm
Rachael Membery

Viking2 (12,344 comments) says:

April 29th, 2015 at 4:46 pm

Seriously, you think that the only way the amount of $25,00.00 comes up would be during ‘instructions’ on how to circumvent the ‘rules’?

I can see it coming up in general donation conversation regarding thresholds.
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April 29, 2015 5:21pm
Nookin

To those who ask how Dotcom knew to split the donations, i ask what makes you think that Banks was the only politician that Dotcom thought he could buy and how many $25000 donations did he make?
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April 29, 2015 5:30pm
doggone7

Nookin @ 5:30 pm

Exactly. I also wonder how many politicians got $25 000 donations. And why were the Banks’ cheques split? Are the issues inextricably linked? Can one question be answered without the other?
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April 29, 2015 5:38pm
Dennis Horne

Maggy Wassilieff (815 comments) says: April 29th, 2015 at 11:43 am
Oh Dennis…. you’ve confused affect and effect.

Oh, Maggie, I don’t connais what to sais… Actually, I edited the sentence and forgot to change from verb to noun. But I’m so pleased you do pay attention to what I write. I feel there’s hope yet. 🙂

I offer my titbits.

Maggy, I have nothing to offer you I return. 😉
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April 29, 2015 5:40pm
flipper

Apropos McCreadie, AW (I think) referred to the hurdle of S26 of the Criminal Procedure Act 2011….

“ Private prosecutions

(1) If a person who is proposing to commence a private prosecution seeks to file a charging document, the Registrar may—

(a) accept the charging document for filing; or

(b) refer the matter to a District Court Judge for a direction that the person proposing to commence the proceeding file formal statements, and the exhibits referred to in those statements, that form the evidence that the person proposes to call at trial or such part of that evidence that the person considers is sufficient to justify a trial.

(2) The Registrar must refer formal statements and exhibits that are filed in accordance with subsection (1)(b) to a District Court Judge, who must determine whether the charging document should be accepted for filing.

(3) A Judge may issue a direction that a charging document must not be accepted for filing if he or she considers that—

(a) the evidence provided by the proposed private prosecutor in accordance with subsection (1)(b) is insufficient to justify a trial; or

(b) the proposed prosecution is otherwise an abuse of process.

(4) If the Judge determines under subsection (2) that the charging document should not be accepted for filing, the Registrar must—

(a) notify the proposed private prosecutor that the charging document will not be accepted for filing; and

(b) retain a copy of the proposed charging document.

(5) Nothing in this section limits the power of a Registrar to refuse to accept a charging document for want of form.”
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April 29, 2015 5:42pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The Chibok girls are not amongst those rescued by the Nigerian Army

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-32506942
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April 29, 2015 5:47pm
Rachael Membery

Dennis Horne (2,870 comments) says:

April 29th, 2015 at 5:40 pm

That was very restrained of you, strange word that, ‘titbit’.
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April 29, 2015 5:53pm
Keeping Stock

@ Redbaiter – don’t take it personally 😀

I’ve never been a particular fan of John Banks, and he made a fool of himself over his denials of knowing Dotcom when it was plain that he did. Re-entering Parliament as an Act MP was probably a fairly typical Banksie stunt.

As far as the Dotcom donation goes, we only have Dotcom’s word that Banks asked for two separate cheques. Given the way that Dotcom’s evidence has been discredited by way of the affidavits from the two Americans located by Mrs Banks, and given that neither Mrs Dotcom nor Wayne Tempero will back Dotcom up on the allegation that there was a second meeting, the Crown is grasping at straws.

I believe that any accused is entitled to the presumption of innocence, and that it is up to the Crown to prove Banks guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Crown Law has acted in exceedingly poor faith towards Banks by withholding evidence. Banks may be guilty, but “may be” is not enough. Having decided to take over McCready’s private prosecution, the Crown is now obliged to prove him guilty, or the case against him should be dismissed. Personally, I do not see it going to trial, and if flipper’s “insider” comments today are accurate, the Court of Appeal bench was unimpressed by the antics and the arguments of the Crown.
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April 29, 2015 5:58pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@DH 5:40pm

Maggy, I have nothing to offer you I return.

Trust me, your word pictures are more than enuf.
I”m still pissing myself over a deaf old fart in trackpants and a bainie jumper.
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April 29, 2015 5:58pm
Rachael Membery

Rachael Membery (2,184 comments) says:

April 29th, 2015 at 5:21 pm

Or $25,000.00, my bad lol
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April 29, 2015 6:01pm
Dennis Horne

It’s so boring I can’t even remember exactly what Banks is in trouble for. It’s all legal humbug. He got some money. Pfennigs or sous in buckets for all I care.

Doesn’t alter the fact the man is the epitome of what I loathe about politicians.
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April 29, 2015 6:04pm
Lance

Again the Labour party prove what stinking hypocrites they are.
They whine away that JK won’t reveal what out troops movements are
Now they are whining that he has told someone what our troop movements are
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April 29, 2015 6:19pm
Inandout

And Barry Soper, that old imbiber, is pissed off that he wasn’t told first; what utter gall.
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April 29, 2015 6:41pm
Reid

I’ve been thinking about the Bali nine executions and the media beat up across all sectors of the Controlled Western MSM. As far as I can tell not much of the public gives a flying fuck but evidently the media expect that we weally weally should and so do the politicians. In other words they’re all making it up, in unison, just like a reality TV show. Question is: why?

I’ve been wondering if it has something to do with the fact Indonesia is the largest SE Asian Muslim nation. Funny how the Western CMSM doesn’t get all exercised about the execution barbarity committed weekly by the Saudi’s isn’t it. Of course they ARE a US ally. Aren’t they.

For those observant few who know how these things work, this is yet another demonstration that the entire Western CMSM is indeed, orchestrated and controlled, just look at how they’ve tried to play the sheeple on this one. And no doubt many sheep have ratcheted up their hatred of all things Islam, as a direct result. Mission accomplished, for the evil ones.
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April 29, 2015 6:47pm
Inandout

Is it possible for Spark customers to take a class action because of the continual internet drop offs after 6pm? We are paying for a service that is faulty.
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April 29, 2015 7:01pm
Dennis Horne

flipper is going cock-a-hoo’
He thinks Banks will have a coup
Banks did get some dough
But what exactly did he know?
And is Kim a lying trou du cul?
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April 29, 2015 7:03pm
kowtow

Freeview programme guide. TV1 tonight. Gallipoli special. “….thousands of kiwi soldiers lost their lives on April 25 1915”.

Who writes this stuff?
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April 29, 2015 7:23pm
SPC

Saudi Arabia mandates death sentences for

murder, rape, drug trafficking and armed robbery.

Indonesia has a number of times protested the execution if its nationals by Saudi Arabia. Obviously not because it opposes the death penalty, but to act on behalf of its nationals.
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April 29, 2015 7:36pm
Reid

Saudi Arabia mandates death sentences for

Yes.

Surprising the number of times the Western CMSM has just let the public beheadings go by, with narry a word, yet they scream and scream and scream when Indonesia’s involved. Well, at least the regional Western CMSM does round here, doesn’t it.

How peculiar.

Almost as if they have an agenda.
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April 29, 2015 7:45pm
SPC

Reid, there was coverage of a case involving westerners sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia, but the coverage of Indonesian nationals was only as part of the coverage of westerners under such sentence in Indonesia.
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April 29, 2015 7:50pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8yw64ehtg5k422g/Godnutters%2015.jpg?dl=0
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April 29, 2015 7:53pm
big bruv

I’ve tried, I really have, But I simply cannot muster up any care factor for the Bali nine pair.
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April 29, 2015 7:53pm
nasska

Reid

Worth noting that no NZ nationals were executed in Saudi Arabia.

It’s the fact that an Australian citizen faced the firing squad in Indonesia that drives the interest.
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April 29, 2015 7:58pm
Rachael Membery

My opinion, regarding the events in Indonesia is to just get on with it, such a long drawn out process, so many family visits etc, so emotionally draining, too many appeals, too much media attention, why did we need to see the crosses being painted, what is the significance of crosses to Muslims? Very sensitive if that was a symbol for Christians. Why did we need to see the coffins, the description, the time, the everything. I bet the media felt robbed not being able to view the bodies, how ghoulish do we need to be?
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April 29, 2015 7:59pm
Lance

@Inandout
Odd, no speed drop off for me, a Spark customer.

Must be a local thing in your area.

In fact during the day ADSL2 is around 10Mbs rising to 18 Mbs after 6 pm
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April 29, 2015 8:01pm
Shunda barunda

I bet the media felt robbed not being able to view the bodies, how ghoulish do we need to be?

People love this stuff, it has always been the true “opiate of the masses”.
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April 29, 2015 8:02pm
Reid

It’s the fact that a NZ citizen faced the firing squad in Indonesia that drives the interest.

nasska that doesn’t explain the NZ media interest in this particular execution, does it.

Do you think a huge number of NZers weally weally care about the Bali nine?

Really?

So how come it’s been front page for 3 or so days now?
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April 29, 2015 8:08pm
EAD

Exactly Reid,

Next to no coverage of the thousands of Chinese executed in their one party state every year either in the Controlled Major Mass Media (CMMM) but because it’s Indonesia, it’s wall to wall, day after day of faux outrage. If there was, I’d imagine the pollies would have a much harder time selling our country off lock stock and barallel to the brutal Communist regime and their agents.

The same thing which has happened in America has happened over here where people (well most people) just believe everything they’re told (except the case for AGW), because they’re so busy and distracted by the matrix that has been pulled down all around them. And the more, people move rural to urban areas, the more they get disengaged with what is real and what is not.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04/28/its-a-matter-of-simple-logic/

“It is this frantic pace of American life and endless addiction to sports, TV, entertainment which keeps folks almost constantly distracted from the sinister political realities that are infecting American society as engineered by the elite”
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April 29, 2015 8:09pm
nasska

It’s not the sort of pap that you or I would read about or watch for punishment Reid. That said there’s plenty of bleeding hearts worldwide who ooze misplaced pity & feelings of compassion for the no hopers who got caught trafficking…..there’s no shortage of Kiwis amongst them.

So for my money it’s a human interest saga which is just the thing that our mawkish MSM love to wrap in tofu & sink their gums into.

Sorry…..no chocolate fish. 🙂
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April 29, 2015 8:16pm
Reid

I bet the media felt robbed not being able to view the bodies, how ghoulish do we need to be?

People love this stuff, it has always been the true “opiate of the masses”.

It’s so sad Shunda how the media and this includes “news” and entertainment of all kinds controls the lives of the sheeple.

It sets their values, it tells them what’s important, what’s true, what’s false and what to think.

It didn’t used to, and thank goodness for this.

Fact it didn’t used to, is a result of our controlled education system and the social engineering that’s destroyed morality.

And if you think that’s not happening then look around, duh. And ask yourself why that hasn’t before, in thousands of years…
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April 29, 2015 8:18pm
EAD

Although I slam and mock the CMMM, occasionally gems like the below will slip in and you realise that not all of the presstitutes have sold their soul to the devil (although Breitbart London is run by James Delingpole who I’ve always thought a good egg and on the side of the people so perhaps they’re not CMMM)

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/04/29/tony-blair-an-instructive-reminder-of-how-britain-came-to-its-present-debacle/

“It is that consideration that most undermines one’s confidence in the proverbial common sense of the British public. On the day after Blair’s third election victory most people of sense found themselves critically reappraising the 1832 Reform Act and every successive measure that extended the franchise. The question was not so much whether people who voted three times for the Great Charlatan deserved to exercise the franchise, but whether it was a responsible policy to allow such demented souls to walk the streets.

The day on which Tony Blair resigned the premiership was one of bleak melancholia for all of us who had devoutly hoped that the Blairs would exit from public life in identical fashion to the Ceausescus. To see one of the chief architects of the Iraq War, the first of several conflicts that eliminated Middle Eastern dictators in the name of democracy (dear God!) and let the jihadist genie out of the bottle, reinvent himself as “Middle East Peace Envoy” was a surreal experience that signalled the lunatics had taken over the asylum, not just in Britain but globally”
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April 29, 2015 8:31pm
Floyd60

John Key accused of dangerous chatter? http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/68147149/kiwi-troops-in-iraq-john-key-accused-of-dangerous-chatter

Surely the real story is the flaccid and compliant fourth estate in NZ (we know the Gnats control/censor information – on our behalf of course – they know what is good for us).
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April 29, 2015 8:36pm
Inandout

Lance: It seems not confined to any particular area. I heard that with Netflix and such becoming more popular the system cannot cope in the evenings. Naked broadband hasn’t helped with demand either, but I will sure not be investing in UFB while this unreliability persists.

https://downdetector.co.nz/problems/spark
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April 29, 2015 8:43pm
Reid

the flaccid and compliant fourth estate in NZ

One of the more powerful propaganda tools is alliteration. Flaccid fourth estate is such a phrase.

Well done Floyd.

Let’s hope someone with a Twitter Account picks it up.

…a surreal experience that signalled the lunatics had taken over the asylum, not just in Britain but globally.

Yes. But nothing’s changed since has it. Just like Germany, in the 1930’s.
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April 29, 2015 8:44pm
Reid

http://api.ning.com/files/8c8n0hXpi4gywB0p3UqaWpxc9dSU-A5n9BejVkKNCfMUHq2ayrIXbkMwWfwG1QBroo0Jpvp544*RlQe4EGmb2brFC*Zqjp84/Goering.jpg?width=737&height=449

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
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April 29, 2015 8:49pm
Reid

I heard that with Netflix and such becoming more popular the system cannot cope in the evenings.

Spark had a free offer a few months ago for free 12 month Lightbox for all their >100GB subscribers. What’s the bet the marketing guys forgot altogether to ask the IT guys WTF that would do to the network?
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April 29, 2015 8:58pm
nasska

….”Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.”…..

Hark….the mating call of the lesser horned aegagrus! 🙂
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April 29, 2015 9:00pm
Reid

I wish it were nasska.

All I see is you guys marching to war.

And your children being slaughtered.

And I don’t laugh.

At you guys who keep being fooled.

Like morons, given how obvious it is.

Tell me what I’m supposed to say.
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April 29, 2015 9:06pm
Floyd60

No more beersies for you Reid.
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April 29, 2015 9:09pm
nasska

I went to your link Reid & I have no problem in that what he was saying at Nuremberg was spot on. But:

1) I don’t necessarily agree that the storm clouds of war are much closer now than they have been at various times in say, the past fifty years. You tend to take everything you read as an endorsement of your pov…..there are other interpretations.

2) Even if, in the off chance that you had named & nailed it what could possibly be done about it?
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April 29, 2015 9:15pm
Griff

apocalypse reid
we dont believe in your god
and who is the war with?
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April 29, 2015 9:21pm
Reid

nasska Goering wasn’t talking about his time he was simply making a statement for all time about how humans behave and it doesn’t matter if it’s 1932, 1962, 1992, 2012 or 2052.

It’s all the same.

Humans don’t change.

They don’t have to behave as Goering described, but they generally do. (i.e. Nothing forces them to)

And looking at people today, they do behave precisely as Goering described.

Clear as day.

And if you can’t see people dancing to the CMMM tune in this most-obvious-of-all age, you’re fucking blind as a bat mate, you really are.

Observing society is not the same as looking at groups of individuals. It takes training your mind to look at people as social engineers look at them.

Perhaps that’s what you and others who don’t see this obviousness lack.
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April 29, 2015 9:26pm
Reid

who is the war with?

Us against them Griff.

Only you don’t know I’m one of you.

And you haven’t seen them yet.
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April 29, 2015 9:33pm
Jack5

The Hooerald web site describes serial litigant Graham McCready as an accountant. The description is in a caption with a report about McReady’s actions against the Prime Minister.

My question: is McCready still entitled to be called an accountant, even a retired accountant? Was he struck off the register of chartered accountants before he retired? The question arises from this media release from the Inland Revenue Department on 27 February 2009:

A Wellington accountant and tax agent has been sentenced to six months home detention on tax fraud charges involving $183,155.

Graham Edward McCready was sentenced today in the Wellington District Court by Judge Behrens after earlier admitting 12 charges of providing false GST and income tax returns.

Inland Revenue Acting Group Manager, Assurance, Graham Tubb, said McCready abused his position and betrayed the trust of his clients.

“McCready deliberately set out to try to cheat the system for his own personal gain. Both Inland Revenue and the courts both take a very dim view of this sort of action.”

“Our tax system relies on the honesty of the many professionals working in it, and both Inland Revenue and the public expect them to help uphold its integrity,” said Mr Tubb.

McCready created business activities, and manufactured or overstated expenses for a number of his clients, in order to generate artificial income tax and GST refunds.

The clients had relied on McCready’s advice and believed him when he told them they were entitled to the refunds. However, they often had no knowledge of which returns were being filed on their behalf or their contents, when the filing took place, or what refunds had been paid out by Inland Revenue.

In almost all cases, the bank account details McCready provided to Inland Revenue were his own, and when refunds were paid into the account he rarely passed them on to the individuals involved.

Instead, he used money from the refunds to pay his own personal bills.

Income tax refunds claimed, and other tax evaded by McCready through other taxpayers, amounted to $92,320. GST refunds totalled $90,835.
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April 29, 2015 10:13pm
Reid

The only certain thing Jack is that the media’s portrayal of McCready is definitely not driven by anything except the desire to get the facts out plain and simple, because the media never ever ever engages in manipulation of public opinion of any kind, because that would have to involve hundreds if not thousands of people, and at least one of them would definitely have talked, therefore it doesn’t ever happen and it certainly hasn’t happened in this case.

/sarc

Good spotting Jack.

Funny how the KB sheeple crowd approve of manipulation in one case and even deny it’s even happening (like say, oh, Ukraine) but they see straight through it when it happens elsewhere. How does that work?
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April 29, 2015 10:26pm
Manolo

Classless and crass, but they eat well: http://greatideas.people.com/2015/04/28/white-house-state-dinner-menu-japan-2015/
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April 29, 2015 11:32pm
Manolo

The Clinton party goes on: http://www.politico.com/2016blast/

On their nine-day trip to Africa, Bill and Chelsea Clinton are traveling with 20 wealthy donors and supporters, some of whom have also been fundraising for HILLARY CLINTON’s presidential bid and others who are expected to give big to her campaign.
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April 29, 2015 11:36pm
Shunda barunda

Funny how the KB sheeple crowd approve of manipulation in one case and even deny it’s even happening (like say, oh, Ukraine) but they see straight through it when it happens elsewhere. How does that work?

Since I turned the tv off when it went digital a few years ago, I have been amazed at how utterly absurd the MSM looks when I do see it at family or friends homes.

It is crap, modern journalism is just info-tainment, you WILL get dumber watching that toxic crap.
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April 30, 2015 12:05am
Manolo

Progressive stephieboy’s compassion for drug traffickers is foolish and misguided.
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