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Maggy Wassilieff

@Dennis H. 8:26

Lordy, am I that transparent?
I’ve been loading up Hubby #1 with creamy sauces, mutton flaps, greasy roasts, buttered blini etc, for decades, only to now discover that fats are good for your health.
S’pose I’ll have to dust off that old toadstool identification guide.
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April 27, 2015 8:52pm
cha

how many of the “immigrants” into the US have legal residence status?

There are an estimated 1,316,118 migrants from Mexico queuing for the 47,250 green cards allocated yearly to Mexicans.

http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-facts/why-don%E2%80%99t-they-just-get-line

http://www.openlawlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/IMmigration-Law-Comic-Terry-Colon-Reason.jpg
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April 27, 2015 8:57pm
Dennis Horne

There was an old blogger called Shawn
Who said he was native American born
He may consider that luck
– I don’t give a fuck
But it explains the drums he beats from dawn
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April 27, 2015 9:03pm
Inandout

Shawn Herles: Even though The Omen was just a movie, some bloody weird stuff happened during and after its making.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075005/trivia
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April 27, 2015 9:07pm
Don the Kiwi

Dennis Horne.

Your word rhyming is okay, but your poetic meter is all up the shit.
Get that sorted, and I might even give you an up-tick 🙂
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April 27, 2015 9:13pm
publicwatchdog

So what would you have done Rachael – if Prime Minister John Key had (repeatedly) pulled your ponytail in a work situation?

Oh – silly me – you would have swooned at his touch?

How about if it had been David Cunliffe – when he was Leader of the Labour Party?

What would you have done if HE had pulled your pony tail (repeatedly) in a work situation?

Just attempting to see how consistent YOU are Rachael in the application of principle in this situation?

Just asking …..

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 27, 2015 9:18pm
SPC

If the USA is allocating less than 50,000 green cards to Mexicans each year many of the 10M in the USA must be illegal residents.
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April 27, 2015 9:22pm
Fletch

The real #ponytailgate

http://www.petitionhub.org/photo/h35B83J0mi.jpg
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April 27, 2015 9:24pm
nasska

The lousiest poet yet born
Went by the surname of Horne.
His metrical foot
Was completely kaput
And his rhythm like lyrical porn.
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April 27, 2015 9:29pm
publicwatchdog

Oh – I get it Rachael.

If someone YOU like repeatedly and inappropriately pulls the ponytail of a waitress in a work situation – that’s not a problem – it’s all being blown up out of proportion?

But if it was someone who YOU didn’t like, and it repeatedly happened to YOU – a different story, perchance?

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 27, 2015 9:40pm
Rufus

PG 7:43pm “Re Gloriavale, something is seriously out of whack when a religion teaches that adhering to it’s beliefs are more important than family to the extent that non-compliance forcibly splits families.

Christ would weep.”

Jesus:

Matthew 10:34-36 (NIV) – “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.”

Mark 13:12-13 (NIV) – “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.”

Luke 21:16-19 (NIV) – “You will be betrayed even by parents, brothers and sisters, relatives and friends, and they will put some of you to death. Everyone will hate you because of me. But not a hair of your head will perish. Stand firm, and you will win life.”

Care to enlighten us with your exegesis, Shawn?
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April 27, 2015 9:49pm
Shawn Herles

“So far he hasn’t mentioned bugger all about FEMA camps or death squads but he may have been brainwashed already.”

Of course not naaska. I have a lot of family there and they have not experienced any of EAD’s fantasies about the US either.

But then he’s not interested in facts. Check out the IrishSavant site he’s quoting from. It’s a neo-Nazi site. Again.
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April 27, 2015 9:52pm
Rufus

Fletch – very good! 🙂
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April 27, 2015 9:54pm
Nookin

I will try to say this in a caring way, Penny. The Prime Minister’s actions have been criticised, almost universally, on this blog since the story first broke.

The matter has been discussed at length in your absence.

The problem that you are now facing is the equally universal perception that the views of someone who, just a few short years ago, was repeatedly publishing the view that Pike River was in fact murder and was spawned from a conspiracy between international bankers and the Prime Minister (who, you suggested, would gain financially from open cast mining –having shares in Bank of America) and who has, since, taken every opportunity to condemn the PM for everything other than the Black Plague and the Great Fire of London, has anything even remotely credible, interesting or constructive to contribute to the debate.

In a couple or words, your credibility is shot to hell and gone.

And before you start that worn-out claptrap response “So, I suppose, Nookin, that you think it is OK for the PM….etc” , I shall adopt your perverse logic and point out that I have yet to see you condemn ISIS and wonder how you can justify your support for random beheadings and other such atrocities….
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April 27, 2015 10:02pm
Shawn Herles

Here are a few more ideas I saw on EAD’s site.

Apartheid in SA was good. The Jews are behind a global assault on the White Race. Africans are poor because they are Africans and not white folks…blah, blah, blah….
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April 27, 2015 10:02pm
SPC

The Russian axis with the far right in Europe is bearing fruit – reminds one of the time Poland was divided in 1939 (Stalin and Hitler bonding over a common dislike of Jews and democratic free market capitalism).

Bonding over white race neo-Christian identity and a love of gold currency reserves/Krugerrands.
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April 27, 2015 10:08pm
minus

Penny, Amanda Bailey told two managers, noted Mrs Key several times told her husband to lay off, she put a comment on the National Party Facebook Page [March 1, 4.30pm], Amanda spoke to the Diplomatic Protection Detail, then told Key himself.
Key apologised, but misquoted her response, and she then wrote an anonymous piece for The Daily Blog.
She was then trapped by Rachel Glucina and her name and other details were splashed against her will in the Herald.
We know this.

What exactly are you trying to establish?
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April 27, 2015 10:11pm
Bob R

The Irish Savant guy is a consultant in IT. The site has changed quite a lot over the years as his views have changed. The site originally focused on the demographic changes in Ireland as thousands of Nigerian asylum seekers arrived over the past 15 years (despite there being no flights from Nigeria to Ireland). In one case I think it turned out one guy actually used to be a taxi driver in the UK. In another, the guy became mayor of a small town and had a celebration back in Nigeria (which obviously raised the question about whether he had actually been under threat of persecution when he applied for asylum status).

@ EAD,

Given your skepticism of the economic benefits of immigration generally you’d probably be interested to see Don Brash’s book ‘Incredible Luck’. Brash was quite surprised to find that the economic benefits in Canada & Australia largely went to the newcomers themselves. In the case of NZ, Brash refers to a review by the Reserve Bank which found NZ’s current levels actually have hindered the economy by artificially pushing up the exchange rate. It’s quite a detailed discussion and Brash was disapointed and surprised to find that was the case.

It’s interesting, because when Repuplican candidate Scott Walker suggested reducing levels of immigration to the US to boost wages he was criticised from all sides. But, the literature on the subject actually suggests Walker has a point (eg. Harvard’s George Borjas).
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April 27, 2015 10:19pm
Shawn Herles

Exactly SPC. I don’t think it’s an accident that all of the Western Putin fanboys I have met online here and elsewhere all tend to be the sort that believe that there is a Jewish plot to destroy the white race.
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April 27, 2015 10:21pm
Andrei

Your head is full of nonsense Shawn

Enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDGPaJQAf1I
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April 27, 2015 10:25pm
Shawn Herles

Thanks for that interesting display of Russian Fascism Andrei.

Kinda proves my point though…
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April 27, 2015 10:29pm
Shunda barunda

OMG!! I just purchased a quarter pounder that actually looks like it does on the picture
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April 27, 2015 10:30pm
Zapper

Hey Penny,

what would YOU say if the leader of the National Party sold himself as a family man then had 3 affairs that we know about, including one with someone supposedly reporting on him (who desperately tried to move the polls in his favour)?
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April 27, 2015 10:31pm
Shunda barunda

Bonding over white race neo-Christian identity and a love of gold currency reserves/Krugerrands.

And we all know how f@cking evil white people and Christians are, those Russians!! they’re outta control I tells ya!!!
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April 27, 2015 11:04pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ Andrei…
sorry to interfere, but clearly Shawn (& others) don’t understand Russian.

Now I don’t give a stuff about your geopolitical/religious stoush…but someone needs to clarify things about who the fascists were in relation to the “Holy War” song

This oldie with English translation might help
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKRTi584pJE

Uploaded on Sep 25, 2007
From Moscow, Russia, this is a rousing patriotic work from a concert commemorating the Russian victory in WWII. Directing the choir and orchestra in the Great Hall of the Moscow Conservatory is Vladimir Fedoseyev. I remember seeing Alexander Solzhinitsyn in the audience. The lyrics are as follows:

Arise huge country arise to the mortal fight
With the dark fascist force with the damned horde
Let noble fury boil up in a wave
There is a national holy war
Let noble fury boil up in a wave
There is a people’s holy war

We shall repulse the suffocaters of all ardent ideas
Those tyrants, robbers, torturers of peoples
Let noble fury boil up in a wave
There is a people’s holy war
The dark wings dare not fly over our native land
The enemy dare not trample her spacious fields

Let noble fury boil up in a wave
There is a people’s holy war
The rotten fascist unclean
We will drive out with a bullet to the forehead
United with mankind we will hammer out a mighty coffin

Let noble fury boil up in a wave
There is a people’s holy war
Let noble fury boil up in a wave
There is a people’s holy war
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April 27, 2015 11:04pm
Sponge

But if it was someone who YOU didn’t like, and it repeatedly happened to YOU – a different story, perchance?

I try to ignore the stupid bright woman but this little gem of hypocritical delusion had me roaring with laughter.
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April 27, 2015 11:05pm
Nostalgia-NZ

I wonder if any political party member or leader will decide to prosecute JK? JK has admitting hair pulling more than once, including, it is said, after being told to stop. Sterling leadership has been put to risk by something unlikely to easily go away. If politics is war then JK has exposed his political heart, any criminal proceeding against him could succeed, win or lose, against his political fortunes. He who dares, wins – if there is one that might try.
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April 27, 2015 11:07pm
Shunda barunda

You know what? if those poxy damned Russians had have imported African slaves like the rest of the civilized world, they might have had some decent coloured people there by now! they have always been so backward!! 😀
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April 27, 2015 11:08pm
publicwatchdog

Gee Nookin – it must be deeply concerning to you that I was the highest polling of the unsuccessful 2013 Auckland Mayoral candidates, in the last widely reported poll?

Seems that there are obviously a few folks out there that don’t share your view about what I’ve done and what I stand for?

But you keep crying into your beer / wine – whatever …..

And I do think it’s a serious conflict of interest for NZ Prime Minister John Key to be a shareholder in the Bank of America.

I’ll ask again – whose interests is Prime Minister John Key arguably serving?

HINT: ‘Follow the dollar’?

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 27, 2015 11:10pm
Bob R

***Africans are poor because they are Africans***

@ Shawn Herles,

Whether or not that is the case, that is hardly a novel view (it goes back to Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson & even Keith Holyoake). More recently see Lynn & Vanhanen’s IQ & the Wealth of Nations, or IQ & Global Inequality. Whether that can be addressed through environmental means, or genetic modification in future, is an interesting question.

http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/2011/01/the-pisa-rankings-and-the-role-of-schools-in-student-performance-on-standardized-testsposner.html
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April 27, 2015 11:10pm
wellygirl

“If someone YOU like repeatedly and inappropriately pulls the ponytail of a waitress in a work situation – that’s not a problem – it’s all being blown up out of proportion?

But if it was someone who YOU didn’t like, and it repeatedly happened to YOU – a different story, perchance?’

From my outside looking in view, THAT is exactly what it looks like, a left-wing political activist has her ponytail pulled by someone she doesn’t like, instead of politely asking him to stop she LETS him continue, when he does realise she doesn’t like it and apologises, instead of graciously accepting his gift and accepting the apology and moving on (like most normal people), she waits a few months then goes running to a left wing hate blog and tells her ‘story’.

Now I am not excusing the PM’s behaviour it was inappropriate, but she was not a girl, and all she had to do was politely say, Please don’t do that, I don’t like it, but instead she let it continue, only to be outraged and offended months later because she doesn’t like him.

And to the rest of Kiwibloggers, sorry for again bringing up the ponytail, and I don’t understand why she just didn’t put it in a bun!
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April 27, 2015 11:13pm
publicwatchdog

Call yourself a WOMAN do you ‘Wellygirl’?

Oh – obviously not.

Some of you purported females on Kiwiblog sicken me even more than some of the purported males.

Where are the decent Kiwibloggers, with good hearts, brains, guts and a basic understanding of the principles of ‘natural justice’ and fair play?

Because the Prime Minister of New Zealand, can’t keep his hands to himself, it is the waitress who should put her hair in a bun???

Oh – sorry – silly me.

Because John Key is the PRIME MINISTER of New Zealand – he is a law unto himself and can do as he pleases …?

We shall see what the Court has to say about THAT.

‘One law for all’ – sort of thing Kiwibloggers?

Don’t some of YOU purport to support that sort of thing Kiwibloggers?

We shall see ….

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 27, 2015 11:41pm
wf

If I was a waitress with a long ponytail, and there was a customer with a tendency to pull it, you know what I’d do?

When I saw him come in to the restaurant I’d pin the thing up and/or keep away from him.

Or else put up with his feeble attempts at being friendly and smile. Or drop something in his lap –
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April 27, 2015 11:43pm
srylands

Penny give it a break. Thousands have been killed in Nepal. And you are still raving about a pony tail. Both parties were at fault. The PM was a bit of a dick. Pony tail was also at fault. She ran off to a hate blog. Also she should have had her hair in a French roll or a stylish donut.

Anyway what exactly do you want to happen? No he is not going to resign. So what do you want? Or are you just going to impotently flail?
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April 27, 2015 11:57pm
srylands

And shut up about “one law for all”. If that was the case you would pay your rates like the rest of us.
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April 28, 2015 12:04am
doggone7

wellygirl @ 11:13 pm ” … And to the rest of Kiwibloggers, sorry for again bringing up the ponytail, and I don’t understand why she just didn’t put it in a bun!”

I see the way you think wellygirl. Those damn people who get hassled a bit and moan about it to all and sundry instead of sorting it out simply. Pony tail gets pulled, put it in a bun. Being tormented because someone doesn’t like the style of clothes you wear, wear something else. Get called names because you’re brown skinned, use a light coloured powder. Sheesh welly, what’s the world coming to?
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April 28, 2015 12:04am
Manolo

The Queen acknowledges mistakes were made: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/27/clinton-foundation-addresses-disclosure-31m-canadian-donation-refiling-irs/
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April 28, 2015 12:29am
wellygirl

“Call yourself a WOMAN do you ‘Wellygirl’?”

Yes Penny I do call myself a Woman, as do ALL of the people I work with,

“Oh – obviously not.”

On what basis do you make that claim Penny?

“Some of you purported females on Kiwiblog sicken me even more than some of the purported males.”

Purported? I am not a purported female, I am a female, I am sorry I sicken you Penny, can I suggest some ginger, it’s supposed to be very good for nausea. As for you and your kind, you sicken me, calling this incident sexual harassment, and comparing it to sexual assault is disgusting, it demeans and diminishes the true victims of sexual bullying, sexual assault and sexual harassment. If having my ponytail pulled as a waitress was the worst thing that had happened to me along these lines I would be happy. You, and others like you, have diminished and demeaned what many women go through daily with regards to sexual bullying and harassment. I thank god I have never been sexually assaulted, but I have been on the receiving end of sexual bullying and harassment, and believe me it was way worse than having a ponytail pulled.

It’s time the so-called feminists on the left stopped using this relatively minor incident to advance a political agenda that does nothing to help women who are victims of much worse.
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April 28, 2015 12:36am
wellygirl

No doggone you don’t see how I think at all, but if you want to delude yourself that you do go for it.
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April 28, 2015 12:46am
publicwatchdog

errr….. YOU are the one who chooses to call YOURSELF ‘Wellygirl’?

In my view – your arguments are infantile – so your chosen ‘name’ fits – ‘WellyGIRL’?

Your ‘victim-blaming’ disgusts me.

Is this the sort of behaviour you think is appropriate for a PRIME MINISTER?

Seriously?

Or are you yet another National Party ‘spin doctor’ – trying to defend the indefensible?

Penny Bright

(Who ALWAYS puts her name to her posts, and has directly confronted and dealt with sexual harrassment herself on a ‘zero tolerance’ basis).
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April 28, 2015 1:01am
publicwatchdog

If there was ‘one law for all’ Srylands – Auckland Council would be complying with the Local Government (Rating) Act, the Local Government Act, and the Public Records Act – and showing citizens and ratepayers EXACTLY where public rates monies were being spent?

Of course – you being a contractor – (as I recall?) aren’t probably so keen on the public being given that ‘devilish detail’ to which we are LAWFULLY entitled?

Not so big on transparency and accountability Srylands?

No surprises there …

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 28, 2015 1:16am
Manolo

Nobody could have guessed that the demented UT was a high-ranked Iranian: http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/9-11-iranian-general-accuses-us-of-organising-september-11-terror-attacks/ar-BBiJrU8?ocid=mailsignout
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April 28, 2015 1:26am
IGM

Dog: It won’t be long before Banksie comes after you for damages, you may need to take a real job to pay reparations also. It will make me laugh to see a defaulter having to actually work to pay debt to a wealthy man . . . it is called Karma.
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April 28, 2015 6:50am
Shawn Herles

“Of course – you being a contractor – (as I recall?) aren’t probably so keen on the public being given that ‘devilish detail’ to which we are LAWFULLY entitled?”

Penny, you are well and truly out of line on this, and on your childish accusations against Wellygirl.

If you suggest again that she, or any other women posting here may not be female, or that other people are corrupt, I will bring the matter up with DPF.
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April 28, 2015 6:55am
SPC

Is Harriet a female?
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April 28, 2015 7:16am
srylands

“Not so big on transparency and accountability Srylands?”
______________________________________________________
The way you throw these comments around, it is only a matter of time before you come unstuck. You are like a broken record. You understand nothing about accountability. You refuse to pay your rates, while championing bloated, wasteful government, and politicians who would give you that bloated, wasteful government.

If I don’t deliver what my contract demands, I don’t get paid, or at the very least any future employment would dry up fast. While you carry on in your fugue state, chanting “accountability and transparency”, but not understanding what that means. The “detail” you demand from government is actually useless unless you can analyse it. What the hell would you do with it? Like Mana, you would put all the “detail” into boxes, draw lines between the boxes, and cry “conspiracy” or “corruption”.

I have on several occasions given you a prescription of the actions you could take if you were really a “public watchdog”. But you refuse to even acknowledge the points I make.
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April 28, 2015 7:34am
Dennis Horne

Naska, I don’t mind what you say
I am here now and intend to stay
My limericks meet a degree of scorn
Your comments merely cause a yawn
Nevertheless old “nay” have a nice day
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April 28, 2015 7:37am
EAD

“If you suggest again that she, or any other women posting here may not be female, or that other people are corrupt, I will bring the matter up with DPF”

Who appointed Shawn Herles to Hallway Monitor?
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April 28, 2015 7:37am
IGM

srylands: It will be amusing the day when someone takes her on for defamation. See what her litigant friend will do then . . . maybe wake up and tell her eff off.
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April 28, 2015 7:37am
Shawn Herles

“Who appointed Shawn Herles to Hallway Monitor?”

Nobody, and that’s not what I’m doing. I actually don’t care much if people break the rules, that was not the issue.

The issue was Penny’s bullying of Wellygirl.

I don’t like bullies, and will always take a stand against them.

In every single case that I have made a complaint to DPF, (which is far less than some think) it was never because someone just broke DPF’s rules, but because they were engaged in bullying others.

Interesting that my critics think standing up to bullies is a bad thing.
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April 28, 2015 7:48am
publicwatchdog

Fill your boots Shawn.

I am expressing my considered opinion in the General Debate section of a Liberterian-hosted blog, in my customary forthright manner.

errr…. I thought this would have been painfully obvious – but when people do not post under their own (real) names – then there is no means of knowing their gender?

Also – as ‘Welly GIRL’ is apparently a woman who is capable of expressing her own opinion, and defending herself in a ‘robust debate’ – I for one think that she doesn’t need YOU to act in some ‘BIG BROTHER’ role, on her behalf?

Of course – I may be wrong.

What’s your view WellyGIRL?

And when it comes to alleged defamatory comments – in my view – best you take a closer look at what YOU write before YOU press the ‘SUBMIT COMMENT’ button?

I haven’t had any ‘strikes’ for any comments I’ve made on Kiwiblog Shawn Herles.

How about yourself?

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 28, 2015 8:26am
Shawn Herles

“Fill your boots Shawn.”

I fill them quite well thanks.

“I am expressing my considered opinion”

Your opinions are never considered, and you were doing far more than that. You were making personal attacks on people for disagreeing with you, and using abusive tactics to do so.

“I haven’t had any ‘strikes’ for any comments I’ve made on Kiwiblog Shawn Herles.”

Not yet. Emphasis on the ‘yet’ part.
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April 28, 2015 8:29am
Griff

Who appointed Shawn Herles to Hallway Monitor?”
DPF

Comments are not vetted before they appear. They are also often not read later on by myself as editor, as I do not spend all day reading the comments. I have a day job. Hence if you think a comment is unacceptable, you need to bring it to my attention.

The only two ways to do this is to e-mail comments@kiwiblog.co.nz. Tweeting about it, blogging elsewhere on it, facebooking it – none of these are ways to complain. I need people to e-mail me, as that allows me to see it in a dedicated inbox, and have myself or a moderator action it. Be aware it can take a few hours for action to occur – none of us are paid staff.
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April 28, 2015 8:36am
publicwatchdog

Really Shawn?

No strikes yet for making defamatory comments after a complaint has been made?

Interesting ….

That means, in my considered opinion, that either you are lying, or host David Farrar’s complaints system is not working.

I prefer to believe that David Farrar’s complaints system IS working and in my view, you are lying Shawn Herles.

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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April 28, 2015 9:00am
publicwatchdog

Sorry Shawn – I misread your comment.

Can YOU please confirm whether or not YOU have ever received a ‘strike’ after a complaint was received by David Farrar in relation to any defamatory comment(s) YOU have made?

Yes or no?

The reason why I’m asking – is because I have made one.

Penny Bright
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April 28, 2015 9:29am
wellygirl

‘errr….. YOU are the one who chooses to call YOURSELF ‘Wellygirl’?’

I am not sure what is relevant with that Penny, usernames on the internet are not always literal…..

“In my view – your arguments are infantile – so your chosen ‘name’ fits – ‘WellyGIRL’?”

Please do not shout the second part of my username, it is rude. As for my argument being infantile, can you please expand on which aspects of my arguments you deem infantile.

“Your ‘victim-blaming’ disgusts me.”

Victim blaming? How was I victim blaming? In order to victim blame she would need to be a victim – someone who is powerless to do anything – she wasn’t and isn’t as her politicisation of the incident shows. To me it appears to be the left and media (and maybe the waitress herself) who are making her a victim.

“Is this the sort of behaviour you think is appropriate for a PRIME MINISTER?”

Did you actually READ my comments Penny? I stated quite clearly it was inappropriate. Perhaps you should read all of a comment before responding.

“Or are you yet another National Party ‘spin doctor’ – trying to defend the indefensible?”

I am no ‘spin doctor’, but I find it interesting that you are so blind in your hatred of the PM that you think anyone who has a contrary view to you on him, or incidents involving him, you immediately assume they are a spin doctor, but I think I will flip that – are you a ‘spin doctor’ for the Labour party Penny, engaging in a deliberate smear campaign?

“Penny Bright

(Who ALWAYS puts her name to her posts, and has directly confronted and dealt with sexual harrassment herself on a ‘zero tolerance’ basis).”

Penny, I have also been on the receiving end of sexual harassment, and sexual bullying, I didn’t tolerate it, and I refused to become a victim as a result. I am sorry you have suffered so, but so have many others, and most of what women have dealt with is far worse than having a ponytail pulled, and the hysterical reaction of people like you likening this to some form of sexual assault makes it harder for other more serious incidences to be taken seriously, this has the potential to become a benchmark, and the overreaction here means that those who do wish to trivialise sexual harassment and sexual assault will point to this as an example of how women get hysterical about the smallest things, so therefore anything else can’t be that bad either. You and your ilk do women no favours using by politicising this and calling it something it is not.

Good on you for ALWAYS using your real name, that is your choice, it is my choice not to, that is the joy of living in a democracy, we are not required (as in more totalitarian states) to only use our real name on the internet. There are many reasons why some do not use their real names, some are wanting to keep themselves hidden from violent and stalkerish exes, some value their privacy, and others just don’t like to reveal who they are to people they have not met face to face. There are a number of strange and downright scary in the world, and for some on the internet it is nothing more than taking safety precautions, after all we do not walk down the street shouting our names to complete strangers.
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“Penny, you are well and truly out of line on this, and on your childish accusations against Wellygirl.”

Thanks for the support Shawn.

“as ‘Welly GIRL’ is apparently a woman who is capable of expressing her own opinion, and defending herself in a ‘robust debate’ – I for one think that she doesn’t need YOU to act in some ‘BIG BROTHER’ role, on her behalf?

Of course – I may be wrong.

What’s your view WellyGIRL?”

I don’t need anyone to act in a big brother role, but that does not mean someone else (in this case Shawn) can’t provide support. I am not so insecure in being a strong and independent woman that I cannot accept and appreciate the support of a man. Your assumption that a man providing support to a woman is patronising shows all that is wrong with feminism today, it is not weakness to accept help or support from a man, it is not patronising for a man to provide help or support, it is insecurity or misandry to find this unacceptable. Penny you are the one demeaning me by labelling Shawn’s support is him acting as a big brother, he is not demeaning me by providing that support, he is expressing his dislike of bullies. I am strong enough in who I am to not be threatened by a man speaking on my behalf if I am not around. I am sorry that as a woman you do not appear to have that strength of character, as you appear very threatened by men speaking up on behalf of a woman.
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