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Pete George

In the interests of open debate I would rather use my own discretion in preference to censorship.

I haven’t seen anything censored.

DPF is one of the biggest champions of open debate in the New Zealand blogosphere.

But it’s his reputation that gets a hammering because of some of the rude, abusive and totally inconsiderate guests here who think it’s their place to shit in as much as they like.

Last year DPF considered giving it all up because it wasn’t worth the grief. That’s an ongoing possibility. And who would blame him if he decided to pull the plug?
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April 20, 2015 6:19pm
Shawn Herles

“Self awareness is extremely strong with me Captain Bananas”

Obviously not, and calling myself and Lucia “shits” while complaining about being abused proves that.

“If you have a look back in history you’ll see I’m reacting to your lies.”

Pointing out the sources you use and, along with your own stated views, showing what part of the political spectrum they point to, is not lying, just inconvenient to you.
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April 20, 2015 6:19pm
Andrei

Lol on the News there is an item about erectile dysfunction medicine and of Kiwiblog the topic of the day is an internet troll.

Did you really write a blog post about a troll on Kiwi Blog’s GD Pete George? That must make for gripping reading

Is that the most important thing going on in this sad fallen world today?
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April 20, 2015 6:26pm
Lucia Maria

Nasska,

Then we are unlikely to agree Lucia but I would point out that free speech is not a smorgasbord.

You’re either for it or against it…..there’s no centre ground.

I’ve always been a strong advocate for free speech… A couple of years ago, I was involved in a very heated conversation about free speech after questioning the result of a particular court case. That experience certainly helped me with being very clear about what free speech is and what it isn’t.

I won’t link to the relevant blog posts – that will bring a whole lot down on my head that have been quiet for a while, though one of them indicated last year they had not forgotten nor forgiven.

Anyway, my preference for dealing with someone like Kea would be short bursts of bannings, coupled with deleting offending comments. Kea seems to be many feathers short of a full bird brain, and a different way of dealing with him or her might be more effective.

But then, this isn’t my blog – it’s David Farrar’s. He has rules which I follow, but if I’m the only one following them and another is not – damn straight I will let him know once I have enough. As I did, it wasn’t just Shawn. I’m not masochistic enough to enjoy being a metaphorical punching bag.

Thanks, Shawn, btw.
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April 20, 2015 6:26pm
Shawn Herles

“you hallucinate you’ve been defending the poor widdle Jew in the street, which as you know, I’ve never been talking about anyway,”

Thats what you tell yourself, but it’s not true Reid. When you spin any conspiracy theory about Jews, even with the spurious and fabricated distinctions you try to make, and when you accuse Jews of being behind every evil in the world, such as Russian communism, as you do, then you put all Jews in danger.

History proves that. But real history is of no concern to you.
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April 20, 2015 6:26pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

I left you hanging last night, and now you are in a pout. So disappointing …
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April 20, 2015 6:30pm
Shawn Herles

Your welcome Lucia. I was happy to take the flak for this on my own btw. Like I said, I’m old fashioned about these things.

Anyway, I’m off to have dinner and watch Game of Thrones.
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April 20, 2015 6:30pm
Viking2

Great, now the adults can play.
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April 20, 2015 6:34pm
Kriss X

Reid (17,589 comments) says:
April 20th, 2015 at 6:08 pm

nasska, quite right. Brilliant point. One of the best I’ve ever seen from you.

Given the lies and insults Captain Bananas continues to herle night after night after night, I’d be entirely justified making my own complaint to DPF.

But I never will.

What’s that excellent Chomsky quote?

‘If we don’t believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don’t believe in it at all.’

I do and I live that everytime I engage with Captain Bananas. Clearly neither Captain Bananas nor Lucia believe in it themselves however, yet what’s the bet the sanctimonious little shits lie their little heads off and pretend they really, really do.

[DPF: Too abusive. That is Strike 2]
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April 20, 2015 6:37pm
Viking2

Tauhei Notts (1,787 comments) says:
April 20th, 2015 at 2:45 pm

Six years ago long term government stock was yielding in excess of 5.5%
The Australian Prudential Regulation Authority advises that the largest 200 superannuation funds in that country made less than 4% over the past five years.
When you hear of the enormous sums paid to experts in the funds management industry; yeah, right!
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wait till they add up their latest score. Those in aussie that are hooked into mining will be out the back door.
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April 20, 2015 6:38pm
Reid

when you accuse Jews of being behind every evil in the world, such as Russian communism, as you do, then you put all Jews in danger

Captain Bananas why don’t you tackle the real issue. The fact it’s not just me it’s people like Nobel Prize Winner Solzhenitsyn who say that. In fact where the hell do you think I get my information from?

But you don’t, do you.

Your laughable conclusion on hearing this news originally was that the entire Russian nation was anti-semitic. All 240 million of them. I mean, really? Yet that’s what you said.

This is how off the planet you are, Captain Bananas. In your desperation to continue your campaign of hatred and slander, you resort to conclusions like the above, you never address the real issues, and you lie and with your lies, you smear.

I’ve got plenty of reasons to complain to DPF, but I never have and I never will.

Yet based on the above, you feel free to do so, all the time apparently.

It’s called being a hypocrite Captain Bananas. When you practise lies and smears and yet pimp others out.

You’re a creep Herles. You really truly are.
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April 20, 2015 6:38pm
Viking2

I see Frumpy Fran who used to write a lot of good sense has been appointed NZME business editorial director

Fran O’Sullivan appointed NZME business editorial director
11:05 AM Monday Apr 20, 2015

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NZ Herald columnist Fran O’Sullivan has been appointed NZME. business editorial director Photo: Jason Oxenham.

NZ Herald business columnist Fran O’Sullivan has been appointed to the newly created position of NZME editorial director for business.

O’Sullivan has written a weekly column for the Business Herald since its inception in April 1997.

In her early journalistic career she was a political journalist in Wellington and subsequently an investigative journalist who broke many major business stories including the first articles that led to the Winebox Inquiry in both NBR and the Sydney Morning Herald.

O’Sullivan has specific expertise in relation to China where she has been a frequent visitor since the late 1990s and is a former editor of the National Business Review.

NZME chief executive Jane Hastings said O’Sullivan’s leadership and respected connections within the business community would further strengthen NZME’s business content.

“We are excited to have secured New Zealand’s best to lead business for the future.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11435475
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Not sure. Fran ain’t what she used to be. Getting into the has been territory. Time will tell.
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April 20, 2015 6:41pm
Shawn Herles

“Your laughable conclusion on hearing this news originally was that the entire Russian nation was anti-semitic. All 240 million of them. I mean, really? Yet that’s what you said.”

Actually that’s not what I said Reid. What I said was that Russia has a long history of blaming the Jews, which is by the way a fact which has been commented on and written about extensively for decades.

You have heard of pogroms, right? Perhaps not. As I said you are not concerned with learning anything about real history.

If you spent more time reading real history, instead of getting yours from conspiracy web sites, you might learn something of value.

Here is some real history Reid.

ANTISEMITISM IN IMPERIAL RUSSIA.

“Although the focus here is on antisemitism in Imperial Russia during the 18th and 19th centuries, the tradition of Russian anti-Jewish feeling dates back to the middle ages, being a legacy of the influx of Eastern Orthodox Christianity into the Muscovite Empire. Jews were in fact banned from entering the heartland of Muscovy (stretching from Kiev to Moscow). As a result, Jews did not have a significant presence in Muscovite controlled territories until the 15th century. The expulsion of Jews from several countries in western Europe drove large numbers of Jews eastward to places like the kingdoms of Poland and Lithuania, which were generally more open to Jewish settlement. However, as Russian Tsars pushed westward, conquering territory from Poland, Estonia, and Lithuania, the number of Jews which fell under Russian administration grew.

Consequently, Russian Tsars, like Ivan IV (the Terrible) increasingly turned their attention toward Jews, whom they considered the enemies of Christ. When Ivan’s army occupied the Polish city of Polotzk in 1563, which had a large and prosperous Jewish community, all local Jews were ordered to convert to the Orthodox faith. Those who resisted were either drowned in the Dvina River or burned at the stake.”

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Religion/Antisemitism%20Russia.htm

Antisemitism in the Russian Empire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Russian_Empire
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April 20, 2015 6:52pm
EAD

Yep – Herles is nothing but a creep and a nark.

I can almost guarantee your strike above Reid was as a result of Shawn’s smug narking.

All the abuse he has “Herled” at the likes of myself, yourself, Redbaiter and many others yet not a single complaint about this obnoxious behaviour.

And the worst thing about Shawn – after “hereling” every insult under the sun with the most debased language he goes licking every other commentators hand like a mangy dog, offering everyone platitudes and letting us know about his TV viewing habits like anyone cares. Perhaps he’d be better hanging out on a chat forum like https://findsomeone.co.nz/ where someone might give a shit about what he’s having for dinner.
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April 20, 2015 6:53pm
Reid

Read Solzhenitsyn’s 200 Years Together Captain Bananas and address what the Russian genius says or don’t bother. Your citations are lightweight and meaningless and if you put any weight on them compared to my source then you’re dumber than a box of hair.
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April 20, 2015 6:55pm
Shawn Herles

“Read Solzhenitsyn’s 200 Years Together”

I could read Mein Kampf as well, but it would be just as pointless.
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April 20, 2015 6:57pm
cha

heh

Darth Vader
‏@DepressedDarth

Mark Hamill is now the same age as Alec Guinness was in the original Star Wars

https://twitter.com/DepressedDarth/status/589490050951475200/photo/1
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April 20, 2015 6:58pm
Shawn Herles

“Consequently, Russian Tsars, like Ivan IV (the Terrible) increasingly turned their attention toward Jews, whom they considered the enemies of Christ. When Ivan’s army occupied the Polish city of Polotzk in 1563, which had a large and prosperous Jewish community, all local Jews were ordered to convert to the Orthodox faith. Those who resisted were either drowned in the Dvina River or burned at the stake.”

Do you have any opinion as to the factual history in this quote Reid?
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April 20, 2015 6:59pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Put me out of my misery dear readers:
I had always assumed that Kea is a female,
Some folks refer to Kea as he/him; other folks seem undecided referring to Kea as he/she.
Surely my feminine intuition couldn’t be wrong?
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April 20, 2015 7:01pm
Harriet

What’s with the red brick things at the NZ War Memorial?
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April 20, 2015 7:03pm
Shawn Herles

I think Kea is male Maggie. Certainly his views on rape, which are captured on Pete’s blog, and which are extremely disturbing, would not likely be those of a women.
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April 20, 2015 7:04pm
EAD

So Herles wants Reid to have an opinion on a quote which he didn’t post?

Using the same debating tactics, what is your opinion on the following quotes by Ovadia Yoesf in his weekly Saturday Sermon in October 2010:

“Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel….. In Israel, death has no dominion over them… With gentiles, it will be like any person – they need to die, but [God] will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money…….Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat… That is why gentiles were created.”

Now asking people for opinions on things they did not post is a highly disingenuous tactic – a bit like the “do you still beat your wife” question
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April 20, 2015 7:04pm
Shawn Herles

“So Herles wants Reid to have an opinion on a quote which he didn’t post?”

You mean this one? The one that I posted twice?

“Consequently, Russian Tsars, like Ivan IV (the Terrible) increasingly turned their attention toward Jews, whom they considered the enemies of Christ. When Ivan’s army occupied the Polish city of Polotzk in 1563, which had a large and prosperous Jewish community, all local Jews were ordered to convert to the Orthodox faith. Those who resisted were either drowned in the Dvina River or burned at the stake.”

Pretending I did not post something which I posted twice? Now THAT’S an interesting debating tactic!
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April 20, 2015 7:05pm
Reid

Do you have any opinion as to the factual history in this quote Reid?

No not really. Why? Why do you think reading a Nobel Prize winner would be like: “I could read Mein Kampf as well, but it would be just as pointless.”

That seems extraordinary. Can you explain?

I can almost guarantee your strike above Reid was as a result of Shawn’s smug narking.

No I’m picking Lucia’s the nark for that one EAD. (You have to wonder what those two were like as kids don’t you. Imagine them and PG together, all competing for a single opening as crossing-guard kid. Can you imagine?)

Yes he’s a piece of work alright. However I’m not moderating myself. I’ve gone 13 years without anything, now there’s a couple in a month. If DPF wants to ban me for accurately describing the personality of a zionist neocon archetype like Herles and a liar like stephie then I don’t really care.

However if DPF reads this then I’d ask him to bear in mind he doesn’t like it when other people put words into his mouth and pretend that he said or thinks such and such when he’s neither done nor said anything of the sort, so why on Earth does he think that any of we commenters appreciate it any better than he does?

And that’s why I made both comments that led to my strikes.
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April 20, 2015 7:05pm
Shawn Herles

“No not really. Why?”

That says it all Reid. And you wonder why I don’t take your denials about being anti-Jewish seriously.

“No I’m picking Lucia’s the nark for that one EAD.”

Nope, it was me. 🙂

Anyway, you and EAD can talk to each other about your anti-Jewish conspiracy theories, I’m done with you both.

Your like children playing with loaded guns with no concern for the damage and horrors it can lead to.

Next time you want to watch a documentary Reid, try Night and Fog.

By now.
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April 20, 2015 7:10pm
Griff

There was a rumor that kea was a woman named Marnie that used to troll on sci blogs Maggy.
Both of Syria extraction, both used the name” kea”, both hunted in the hills, both trolls.
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April 20, 2015 7:12pm
Reid

Nope, it was me.

Really?

Just when I thought you couldn’t get any lower in my assessment of “whose the most worthless of all,” you somehow manage to make another breakthrough.
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April 20, 2015 7:14pm
Pete George

However if DPF reads this then I’d ask him to bear in mind he doesn’t like it when other people put words into his mouth and pretend that he said or thinks such and such when he’s neither done nor said anything of the sort, so why on Earth does he think that any of we commenters appreciate it any better than he does?

That’s pretty much the sort of thing I’ve seen you do Reid, quite often. You have a record of saying you know better about what people think than they themselves think and say.

Interesting that you don’t like it when you think someone does it to you.
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April 20, 2015 7:16pm
SPC

Do I get credit for accurate interpretation of bible prophecy as it applies to this blog?

General Debate 19 April

SPC (6,379 comments) says:

April 19th, 2015 at 8:31 am
A bible quote loosely retranslated, that covers the inclination of some here – the prophets like reid and the slanderers of the others of mankind

“Woe to the earth and the sea, because kea has come to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has only a short time before he is banned once again from birdblog.”
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April 20, 2015 7:20pm
Andrei

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMwnJQqipyM
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April 20, 2015 7:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@ Griff….
My question above was merely rhetorical.
I think you and I are on the same wavelength, as usual.
I could get my Chch spies out, but that would be against the rules.
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April 20, 2015 7:28pm
Shawn Herles

“Interesting that you don’t like it when you think someone does it to you.”

Reid is staggeringly hypocritical on this issue Pete. His posts, long before I began confronting him, were filled with insults towards anyone who disagreed with his anti-Jewish rhetoric and paranoid conspiracy theories, often before anyone had even responded.

“Galloping mentals” is one of his favorites for people who do not think a cabal of Satanic Jews are trying to control the world and destroy Christianity.

Extremists and conspiracy theorists are often the most abusive people on this blog, and the fastest to whine if anyone dishes a little back.

But then, that’s extremists for you. It’s always one rule for them and another for everyone else.
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April 20, 2015 7:46pm
Reid

That’s pretty much the sort of thing I’ve seen you do Reid, quite often. You have a record of saying you know better about what people think than they themselves think and say.

Interesting that you don’t like it when you think someone does it to you.

Yes Pete but par for the course you get all confused about what’s being said and what isn’t being said.

I accept I come across as opinionated and I don’t apologise for that.

If you want to know why it’s because I hate typing therefore I prefer to be pithy and pithy doesn’t accommodate flowery and gentle skirting round the point while one gently introduces the reader to the point you wish to make.

It just doesn’t.

But pithiness doesn’t equate to rudeness escept in profound dummies. I reserve rudeness for special people. Most people I’m not rude to. Ever noticed that? Thought not. But it’s true, isn’t it.

That’s not accidental Pete.

But getting back to the point, I’ve never implied you hold a position which you don’t, have I. I’ve told you you’re various things, but I’ve never implied that, have I. I’ve said that you’re a lightweight, and you are. I’ve said you’re various things, like a Dunne sycophant, and you are, but I’ve never said that “Pete thinks “x” when that “x” is something offensive like racism, sexism, or any other ism, have I.

Have I.

No.

There’s the difference Pete.

I didn’t expect you’re understand it.

I wasn’t disappointed.
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April 20, 2015 7:47pm
Pete George

I didn’t expect you’re understand it.

I wasn’t disappointed.

You’ve done it again. And you’ve made false claims again.

I’ve never implied you hold a position which you don’t, have I.

I’m sure there’s many other examples as well. Like above where you say “Clearly neither Captain Bananas nor Lucia believe in it themselves however”. Weren’t you just saying you didn’t like others trying to say what you believed?

Ah, and ‘pithy’ is not how I’d describe you at all.
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April 20, 2015 7:53pm
tf78

I have noticed on this blog as a “Newby” that it is turning into the original WHALEOIL blog. Which is understandable because it is a very good forum to discuss topics, it’s a shame and really none of my business, but there are more important things to talk about than personal likes and dislikes towards one another. How about being a little more constructive and productive, you all appear to have very good brains, how about using them wisely to achieve something good. Sorry if I’m out of order, I will apologise before I get the thumbs down.
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April 20, 2015 7:56pm
Shawn Herles

Reid repeatedly insisted that I believe in the Rapture, despite me making it clear I don’t.

Now IF I had used Dispentationalist sources and beliefs for my posts, that might have been a reasonable claim. But I don’t. Ever. So as I said, he is engaging in rank hypocrisy right now.

Reid on the other hand has, week in and week out, used neo-Nazi and rabidly anti-Jewish sources for his claims.

It is childish in the extreme to do so and then complain when someone points it out and suggests that, along with his own stated views, that does not reveal something about him.
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April 20, 2015 7:58pm
Viking2

Ah, and ‘pithy’ is not how I’d describe you at all.

“Self opinionated moron” comes to mind Pete.

He’s worse than philu. At least a lot of his were dots.
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April 20, 2015 7:59pm
Lucia Maria

No I’m picking Lucia’s the nark for that one EAD. (You have to wonder what those two were like as kids don’t you. Imagine them and PG together, all competing for a single opening as crossing-guard kid. Can you imagine?)

You’re breaking my heart, Reid! In a manner of speaking.

As Shawn has said, it was him not me, and I’ll back that up. I have to get really annoyed to email DPF (remember my emotional nature?)

And no, never had to compete for that single-opening. Normally there was someone else. But if there wasn’t, such role would naturally fall to me, being the oldest of 6 kids, four of them brothers.
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April 20, 2015 8:02pm
Pete George

I don’t think you’re out of order at all tf78, what you suggest would be good, but asking some people on political blogs to wisely try and achieve something more constructive and productive could be a bit of a challenge.
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April 20, 2015 8:02pm
mandk

@ nasska,

I, too, made a formal complaint about Kea, and I have no reservations in admitting it.

I haven’t complained about the offensive epithets that are put about, such as your favoured reference to Godnutters. Nor have I complained about being called a moron by someone else who is fond of using that term, even though it is explicitly in breach of the comments policy.

Kea’s behaviour, however, is far beyond being obnoxious (see my comment at 11.00).
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April 20, 2015 8:03pm
Steve (North Shore)

Mork calling Penny, are you with us?
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April 20, 2015 8:10pm
Shawn Herles

“Sorry if I’m out of order, I will apologise before I get the thumbs down.”

You’re not out of order at all, and I agree with you.

The difficulty is human nature itself, and a minority who think their political views or their hatred of religion gives them a special right to engage in extreme abuse.

DPF is trying to improve things and clean the place up, but some people using the silly, high school level “nark” accusation are not helping that process.

I think a permanent on hand moderation team chosen from outside the commentator community might be a good idea.
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April 20, 2015 8:10pm
mandk

nasska: “You’re either for it or against it…..there’s no centre ground.”

That’s ridiculous.

Do I have an absolute right to refer to black people as niggers or coons, if I felt like doing so?

Do I have the absolute right to call a woman a stupid c**t, if she were to upset me?

If nothing else, good manners would prevent me. But, that aside, in a civilised society people have a right to be protected from extreme abuse.
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April 20, 2015 8:14pm
Pete George

More moderation shouldn’t be necessary. Acting like decent adults and showing respect for DPF and what he asks for in his place should be sufficient.
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April 20, 2015 8:16pm
Kriss X

I have been watching for a few days now. Someone is not the honest Christian after all.

Shawn Herles-

“Given your frequent predilections for brainless comments, trolling, racist ignorance, and white supremacy, in my opinion it is perfectly reasonable to consider you a Nazi scum bag with the intellectual ability of a retarded, syphilis ridden monkey.”
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April 20, 2015 8:18pm
mandk

@ Maggy

Someone on KB (can’t remember who) once “outed” Kea as being an unemployed physicist called Marnie.

She denied it (let’s call her she), but I think she blew her cover when she posted a comment lamenting the passing of an obscure physicist few, if any, people other than fellow physicists would actually have heard of.
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April 20, 2015 8:20pm
Shawn Herles

Kriss X,

That comment was wrong of me, I agree. However it came long after I was subjected to very extreme personal abuse by the individual in question, including blatantly racist attacks on my ethnicity.

That does not make my response right, but there is a context to it.
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April 20, 2015 8:24pm
Griff

No shawn we have a DPF
We don’t need to get a pete from whale .
Moderation works reasonably well as it is.
DPF doesn’t read all our babel religiously
Some things are against the rules and if you think some one has transgressed the rules needlessly the blogs moderation style is to email DPF to allow him the opportunity to moderate at his discretion.
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April 20, 2015 8:25pm
nasska

mandk

At no point have I suggested that Kea was not offensive. He has an unfortunate tendency to lose the plot when the subjects of Zionism & Islam are raised.

Further, if someone made a libellous comment or stated something that could see DPF sued then I would have little hesitation in advising him of such. Having said that, someone’s hurt feelings or tummy troubles because they can’t stand the heat of the kitchen are of no concern of mine & I would advise a double dose of cement pills to enable anyone so delicate to continue participating on an adult forum.

This includes the precious followers of various Sky Fairies.
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April 20, 2015 8:25pm
Shawn Herles

Yeah, thinking that one over you’re probably right Griff. It could just lead to other problems.
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April 20, 2015 8:26pm
Shawn Herles

“This includes the precious followers of various Sky Fairies.”

Pffft.

I have never made a complaint about anyone bashing religion, or using silly names like “Godnutters.”

That was not the issue with Kea, it was his extreme accusations towards Lucia, claiming she would just love to torture and mutilate non-Catholics.

Those kinds of accusations are not debating “heat.” They are vile and cowardly character assassinations on a public forum.

And to be fair, some of my fellow Christians here have not been any better.

Anyway, the issue is done and dusted, for three months anyway. I’m not commenting on it anymore, but moving on.
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April 20, 2015 8:31pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@mandk….
Thanks,
actually, I was being naughty. This is information I already had.

Clearly a few other folks on this site don’t research very well.
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April 20, 2015 8:40pm
Pete George

nasska – I’ve managed to stand up to the heat of the kitchen. But within the rules here I’m as free as anyone to say what I like and that includes calling abusive, vindictive and bullying behaviour as I see it.

If anyone wants an anything goes drunken back alley free for all type blog then they can try to find one or start their own.

As I understand it the fundamental aim of Kiwiblog is to provide an open political forum with a National political slant. A lot of the crap that goes on here is detrimental to National and it’s detrimental to DPF’s reputation, and both have taken significant hits over the last year due to ‘Dirty Politics’. Some here seem intent on proving to outsiders that KB is as bad as the most vocal critics claim. I think that’s extremely inconsiderate and selfish.

It’s got nothing much to do with kitchens and concrete. Everyone can sling cement around their own if that’s what they like.
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April 20, 2015 8:43pm
kowtow

maggy w

http://kea-monad.blogspot.sg/2010_03_01_archive.html
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April 20, 2015 8:46pm
SPC

Kea’s style is to personalise us and them politics, by bringing slander to bear against individuals – becoming ad hominem towards those on the other side of the inter-national debate (standard western Judeo-Christendom centric perspective).

Kea (13,855 comments) says:
April 18th, 2015 at 11:44 am
Red, happy to correct any factual errors, if you can find any. Ad hominem is all good fun and a KB tradition, but try and include a point to your posts, it makes it more interesting. As does some token effort to engage the topic.

This after the constant provocation, retaliation for “western media” accounts on the world expressed here while he has been away, creates tensions that predictably only take so long to get out of hand.
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April 20, 2015 8:51pm
thedavincimode

Mr Hillbilly

Then we are unlikely to agree Lucia but I would point out that free speech is not a smorgasbord.

You’re either for it or against it…..there’s no centre ground.

Careful nasska. The punters here seem to prefer that the truth remain “out there” rather than have it flung in their faces.
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April 20, 2015 8:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@kowtow
Thanks also.

So obviously, a goodly number on KB now know that Kea is a female.
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April 20, 2015 8:59pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Yes, big bruv was asking if it was still okay to tell the truth yesterday in the process of telling some big whoppers. Now bruv has gone all quiet.
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April 20, 2015 9:01pm
Pete George

Funny thedavincimode. You seem to have a selectiveness as to which truths should be flung in faces.

Shouldn’t an adult political forum be able to debate robustly without having to resort to the shit sort of flinging? Some of the worst ‘free speech’ here seems intent on shutting down and discrediting what they don’t want raised. Abuse and diversion are common tactics working against open debate.
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April 20, 2015 9:01pm
thedavincimode

PG at 8:43pm:

Get some apples on the courier and calm down. So you never made Head Prefect? It’s not the end of the world. Or get a check up. Maybe there is some medical correlation between excessive chalk dust and an overwhelming need to regulate the behaviour of others in a forum that you don’t have any proprietary interest in or responsibility for. Try standing for Council again – you might get on committee that oversees the permissible colours in which houses can be painted.
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April 20, 2015 9:02pm
nasska

The group grope witnessed in this morning’s GD where the usual conservatives congratulated each other & preened themselves over how smart they were to unseat Kea can teach us much Davinci.

It would seem that free speech is an abstract concept.
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April 20, 2015 9:03pm
SPC

I am sort of unconvinced that a physicist posting under the name kea at one place is the same person doing the same at another. When they are, the person simply admits it.
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April 20, 2015 9:04pm
Pete George

It was Kea that did the all the unseating. Again.
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April 20, 2015 9:05pm
Shawn Herles

“So obviously, a goodly number on KB now know that Kea is a female.”

I took a good look at the blog. I don’t think it’s our Kea. There were a few things about it that to me at least make it unlikely.
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April 20, 2015 9:06pm
thedavincimode

PG: you are behaving like a baby. If you don’t like it; don’t come here. If you don’t like the stranded, don’t go there. If you have no self-respect and choose to disregard my advice then at least do your self a favour and do it own your own bog where nobody will find out about it. If you want to bitch like a bitch here then that’s your choice too but goodness me, why would anyone want to be seen behaving that way so publicly?
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April 20, 2015 9:11pm
Pete George

There you go thedavincimode, proving my point. Was that deliberate?
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April 20, 2015 9:12pm
thedavincimode

Mr Hillbilly

You left out the // or “” when you typed // “conservatives”.
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April 20, 2015 9:14pm
Pete George

“and choose to disregard my advice”

Ah, it’s comedy night. Sorry, I didn’t pick it earlier.
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April 20, 2015 9:15pm
Shawn Herles

“PG: you are behaving like a baby.”

Pete’s comments have been very mature.

Your’s have not.

“If you don’t like it; don’t come here.”

If you don’t like DPF’s rules, don’t come here. It’s his home, not yours.
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April 20, 2015 9:16pm
cha

Pressure suited pilots pose with an SR-71.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CC3LEh6XIAAhZMs.jpg:large
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April 20, 2015 9:17pm
thedavincimode

PG

The only pointy that you make, perfectly consistently, is that you want to control the lives and behaviours of others. Sadly all those years of wearing your school trousers to a point just below your armpits has taken it’s toll.
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April 20, 2015 9:18pm
Pete George

“The only pointy that you make, perfectly consistently, is that you want to control the lives and behaviours of others.”

That’s Redbaiter style self lampooning. Ah, who’s trying to control who here?

You’re running out of originality in your ad hominems. Actually I think you’ve been trying that angle since I first arrived at KB.
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April 20, 2015 9:22pm
Shawn Herles

So basically davincimode you think you have a right to enter someone else’s home and behave in any way you like?

To put it mildly, that’s an adolescent idea of “freedom” that ignores personal responsibility, not to mention just plain old fashioned good manners.
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April 20, 2015 9:23pm
Nostalgia-NZ

How does the conversation get to ‘school trousers?’
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April 20, 2015 9:28pm
Pete George

thedavincimode seems to sometimes have headmaster fantasies.
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April 20, 2015 9:29pm
Shawn Herles

Real libertarians/liberals are supposed to believe in private property rights. Free speech does not extend to private property. The owners of the property in question get to set the rules. This blog is DPF’s property, so those claiming libertarian or liberal free speech rights are contradicting their own claimed ideology.

Which is not a surprise as the claim that this is about free speech is disingenuous. What some are arguing for is not free speech in any liberal or libertarian sense, but the mythical “right” to behave like poorly reared adolescents and beat up on groups or people they don’t like.

Anyway, I said I was moving on so time to unplug.

By all.
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April 20, 2015 9:32pm
EAD

They should rename general debate “Shawn Herles” debate

31/173 comments = 18% and he didn’t get started until after midday!
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April 20, 2015 9:33pm
Shawn Herles

“How does the conversation get to ‘school trousers?’”

Heh, read my last post.

And then read EAD’s for a good example of what I’m talking about.
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April 20, 2015 9:33pm
thedavincimode

So basically davincimode you think you have a right to enter someone else’s home and behave in any way you like?

Shawn, that’s a rather uncomfortable fit with what is in essence my description of PG as a prissy busy-body with no self respect.

As for this being his home? Wow! But maybe you’re right – 🙁
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April 20, 2015 9:37pm
mandk

Silly old nasska!

Of course free speech is an abstract concept. There’s nothing concrete about it.

And isn’t it a bit odd for a moral relativist like you to want to establish absolutes?

I think perhaps you are having a strop because you are already missing your comrade-in-abuse, Kea.
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April 20, 2015 9:39pm
Shawn Herles

“As for this being his home? Wow!”

It’s an extension of his home as it is his property and we are his guests.

“Comments Policy

Who has the right to post comments on this blog?

Apart from me, no-one at all has the right to post comments. Posting is a privilege, not a right.”

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
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April 20, 2015 9:42pm
thedavincimode

mandk

It’s pretty simple. Obey the rules here or you go. Mr Parrot by all accounts didn’t – yet again. Those rules are a fetter on free speech that applies here at the whim of our headmaster and rightly so because this is his forum. Not PG’s, Herles’, mine or yours.
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April 20, 2015 9:43pm
SGA

Shawn Herles at 9:42 pm

It’s an extension of his home as it is his property and we are his guests.

Bit of a stretch Shawn – I’ve certainly never experimented with ads for Asian dating services in my home. 🙂
Property perhaps, but home?
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April 20, 2015 9:45pm
mandk

@ thedavincimode

Agreed.

I step over the line once and got demerits. I felt slightly aggrieved, but I got over myself.

Our host is to be held in high esteem because he has the grace and good sense to allow free discussion within very relaxed bounds.
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April 20, 2015 9:58pm
mandk

Changing the subject, here’s a delightful moment of pure joy:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/inspire-me/67884903/teen-with-down-syndrome-lands-first-job

Richard Dawkins thinks it’s immoral to allow people like this young man to be born.
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April 20, 2015 10:03pm
Shawn Herles

“Richard Dawkins thinks it’s immoral to allow people like this young man to be born.”

But, but, but, atheism will bring about a reign of peace and human rights!!!! Only religion is evil and wants to kill people!!!

Or not. 🙂
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April 20, 2015 10:09pm
SGA

Shawn Herles at 10:09 pm

But, but, but, atheism will bring about a reign of peace and human rights!!!! Only religion is evil and wants to kill people!!!

Oh dear – suddenly I actually miss Kea.
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April 20, 2015 10:14pm
Shunda barunda

Richard Dawkins thinks it’s immoral to allow people like this young man to be born.

Rheinhardt Gherkins is facilitating some of the most dangerous philosophies since the 1930’s
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April 20, 2015 10:17pm
Dennis Horne

It’s sad Kea just went too far. I found recent comments tedious and ignored them.

But kiwiblog seemed important to Kea and that means Kea should be important to kiwiblog. I don’t know how to translate that into some useful action but we are all deeply flawed and need forgiveness.

It’s easy to say one abides by the rules. I have no argument with that. But there’s something else going on here.

Perhaps someone could contact Kea via DPF. Just a thought.
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April 20, 2015 11:44pm
Manolo

Cash, cash, cash: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/04/20/book-on-clinton-cash-reportedly-claims-foreign-donors-got-state-dept-favors/

The New York Times reported Monday that the book, set for release on May 5, will make new claims about donations to the Clinton Foundation by foreign donors. Specifically, the book reportedly claims foreign entities that donated to the foundation — and that gave former President Bill Clinton high-dollar speaking fees — in turn received favors from the Clinton State Department.
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