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Nostalgia-NZ

So where is Michael, shit his or her pants, dvm might know.
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March 9, 2015 9:40pm
Nookin

TDM

Has it occurred to you that we are seeing, in action, the thought processes of a potential jury pool?
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March 9, 2015 9:43pm
Oliver Twist

The jury had pro-Bain members and material was taken into the jury room.

One juror tried to contact Binnie J, he refused to see her. She went public on TV and said Bain was not innocent.

I think I am correct in saying Reed QC was on TV saying the jury all thought him innocent.

Bain. A pathetic waste of time and money.
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March 9, 2015 9:51pm
stephieboy

Nostalgia,

woof, woof ,woof !
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March 9, 2015 9:54pm
Kanz

Nostalgia-NZ (5,594 comments) says:
March 9th, 2015 at 9:40 pm

So where is Michael, shit his or her pants, dvm might know.

Going by how this thread is panning out, I would say he is hiding under stephie’s skirt.
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March 9, 2015 9:57pm
renderer

Who the hell would derive any pleasure scrolling through all this Bain shit
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March 9, 2015 10:02pm
Rachael Membery

Kanz (1,600 comments) says:

March 9th, 2015 at 9:57 pm

As none of you are authoritative, despite what you might like to portray, why should anyone hide any where, is there a ‘big bad wolf’?

On a different note, it is good to see that people get recalled to prison if they are still considered a danger to society while on life time parole. That poor mother having to relive the events of 17 years ago.
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March 9, 2015 10:03pm
Rowan

Oliver
Come out to help your girlfriends/bumbuddies make a dick of themselves?
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March 9, 2015 10:03pm
stephieboy

davincimode, oh this is so much fun . Do join us !
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March 9, 2015 10:04pm
Oliver Twist

Kanz, you’re all class. Been to Crufts lately? Maybe you’re a bit long in the tooth.

Anyway, nobody bred from you. That’s something.
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March 9, 2015 10:05pm
Kanz

Oliver Twist (173 comments) says:
March 9th, 2015 at 10:05 pm

Ad hominem the best you can do now? Diddums.
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March 9, 2015 10:09pm
Rowan

Yes Stephiedunce it is very amusing watching you make a dick of yourself here, by exposing your shallow naive understanding of the case. Keep up the flow of own goals!
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March 9, 2015 10:10pm
stephieboy

Kanz , nostalgia ,Rowan , flipper. Etc,

time now for all your hot milk ,story time and bed , calling from HQ Morrinsville .

Over and out !
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March 9, 2015 10:11pm
Rowan

“No prints from Robin on rifle or magazines. Stephen’s prints on rifle. David Bain’s prints on rifle.”

Own goal
The rifle contained multiple unidentified prints, prove they are not daddy’s before claiming that his prints were “not” on the rifle
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March 9, 2015 10:13pm
Rachael Membery

Oliver Twist (173 comments) says:

March 9th, 2015 at 10:05 pm

Did you see today that some dog got poisoned at the dog show, fed chunks of poisoned meat, it wasn’t another dog. Some humans are just scum.
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March 9, 2015 10:14pm
Oliver Twist

Rowan. You still don’t get it, do you sweetie. Bain is the one who has to prove something – his innocence – I don’t need to prove anything. Nothing at all.

No wonder you’re all running around like dogs with fleas. Yap, yap, yap.

No more games. No more silly juries, no more Bunnie Brains.

And no compo. Geddit? No compo.
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March 9, 2015 10:21pm
stephieboy

Rowan , surreal !

Thus the multiple unidentified prints were forensically and positively identified belonging to Robin ?

I wonder why Robin tried to obliterate/ obscure them if he was going to top himself anyway ?
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March 9, 2015 10:22pm
Rachael Membery

stephieboy (4,598 comments) says:

March 9th, 2015 at 10:22 pm

That is why they are far more likely to have been David’s. One person should only be given so much benefit of the doubt.
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March 9, 2015 10:27pm
Rowan

Ollie
Sorry to disappoint you but that’s already been done and the crown case is ancient history, it came crashing down at the retrial much like the CTV building here, the “evidence” was exposed as the shallow, baseless, weak untenable charade that it always was.

Stephie
They don’t have to be, but their existence is enough to make your claim about Robins prints not being on the rifle untenable.
And the chance of there being identifiable prints in the first place is negligible so it is not that much of a surprise that they are not, to a straight thinking person that is, excluding loons like you and CS
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March 9, 2015 10:31pm
Oliver Twist

Kanz, I do ad hominems with great panache and a light touch, unlike the nasty faecal matter from you and the gormless swank from the blowhard “flipper”.

What I don’t understand is how an intelligent man like Nostalgia got mixed up with you bunch of no-hopers.

Sorry I missed you out, Rowan, I don’t think you can help it. Your being a bit fick and all. You still haven’t realised the reviewer is independent, (s)he can look at everything.

Of special interest will be the glasses Bain was wearing.
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March 9, 2015 10:35pm
Rachael Membery

Rowan (2,963 comments) says:

March 9th, 2015 at 10:31 pm

You are funny, so you do not think that Stephen’s prints are from that day either, come on you love statistics what are the odds of Stephen’s, David’s but not Robin’s prints being identifiable from that awful day, since you say that David didn’t handle the gun.

A bit like there being only one set of sock prints when it is mooted that two people walked there.
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March 9, 2015 10:37pm
stephieboy

Rowan , Hentscell observed when he examined the rifle two days after the murders that the smudged prints appeared to be as though someone tried to wipe the rifle down..

Now why would Robin need to do that ?

Hopefully Bain will utilise you as his expert consultant on this issue come the fresh review !

What a joke that will be !
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March 9, 2015 10:39pm
Rachael Membery

Oliver Twist (175 comments) says:

March 9th, 2015 at 10:35 pm

*Cough*
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March 9, 2015 10:39pm
Kanz

Sorry Ollie, I have yet to see any panache from you, great or otherwise. Just as I am yet to see any logical thought in your posts.
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March 9, 2015 10:41pm
Rachael Membery

stephieboy (4,599 comments) says:

March 9th, 2015 at 10:39 pm

Must have done it before he shot himself too but then still failed to leave any. Dohh!!!
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March 9, 2015 10:42pm
Oliver Twist

Of course you don’t, Kanz, of course you don’t. If you stumbled on the truth you would pick yourself right up and carry on as if nothing had happened.
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March 9, 2015 10:44pm
Rowan

No the rifle was not wiped down, this is another myth promoted by the JFRB loons, if it had of been wiped down there would not have been the so called “pristine” prints.

Rachel
Congratulations, David’s prints establish it was David’s gun, well done for working that out!

The only joke here is “Oliver” perhaps he could explain to the reviewer how Robin was “murdered” given statistically the probability of suicide is around 98%
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March 9, 2015 10:45pm
Kanz

Rachael Membery (1,906 comments) says:
March 9th, 2015 at 10:37 pm

A bit like there being only one set of sock prints when it is mooted that two people walked there.

How dumb is that? The cops walked there too, but they didn’t leave footprints, or did they?
That there is photographic proof of the print not being David’s, who do you think made it? One of them bumblefooted cops, maybe?
You do need to stop making such a public spectacle of yourself.
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March 9, 2015 10:49pm
Oliver Twist

explain to the reviewer how Robin was “murdered” given statistically the probability of suicide is around 98%

Really? I would say in nearly 100% cases of mass murder the perpetrator is the person left.

I would say that in nearly 100% of cases that person would leave prints on the rifle (when the rifle was known to be taking prints, as it was.)

Prints on rifle. David Bain. Not Robin Bain.

There we have it. No compo.
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March 9, 2015 10:51pm
Rowan

Oliver
Maybe you should google the common characteristics of self inflicted gunshot gunshot wounds where the weapon is a long rifle
How many murder victims can you find that have been killed with the gun in hard contact with their temple? (When you finally get there the answer is <5%
Upward trajectory
Removal/lifting clothing so that the bullet doesn't go through clothing?

Now what are the odds of a conscious standing person being shot with the gun in direct contact with his temple from in front of his line of sight, and the gun in an upwards trajectory (to achieve this David would have to be lower than Robin even though he is 6" taller!

Don't worry retard the crown can't explain daddy's murder either so you are in good company!
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March 9, 2015 10:55pm
stephieboy

Rowan, Hentschell said “appeared ” to be wiped down but your in a much better and qualified position to assess this now aren’t you ?

And those pristine prints from six moths or so prior survived an energetic mass shooting including correcting a misfeed and a change of magazines ?

Yeah right !

And the source and reference with link for that 98% claim ?

I do beg you to offer youself up as DB’s principle Gun and ballistics comsultant !
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March 9, 2015 10:55pm
Rowan

“I would say”

What you would say fruitloop, is irrelevant bullshit that has absolutely no bearing on the outcome here.
And you are wrong about the odds of the rifle taking identifiable prints the odds are very low <5%, in a recent case in the Manuwatu Des Winnie was found to have committed murder followed by suicide, his prints were not on the rifle used to commit the killings.
Don't worry dunce, one day you might get it, it's not really that difficult but obviously takes more braincells than a simplistic mind like yours!
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March 9, 2015 11:01pm
stephieboy

Rowan , final thought ?

How many familicdes committed by someone fitting Robin ‘s profile who have decided to wipe out their entire family and then decide to spare the one who deserved to stay ?

Yes Winnie did not leave prints but prints were found in David rifle, hiscStephens and uuidentufjbkev onea
Whinnies hands wre not soled with bllod lie Robins allegedly were !
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March 9, 2015 11:01pm
Oliver Twist

How many men who shoot themselves with one foot on a chair end up dead with their feet about one metre from that chair?

0%.

No compo.
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March 9, 2015 11:05pm
Oliver Twist

Rowan. The rifle was taking prints: Stephen’s prints were pristine. They were on the silencer that David didn’t wipe down because he hadn’t handled the rifle there.

No compo.

I think we need a new book: NO COMPO FOR DUMMIES.
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March 9, 2015 11:08pm
stephieboy

Rowan , final thought ?

How many familicdes committed by someone fitting Robin ‘s profile who have decided to wipe out their entire family and then decide to spare the one who deserved to stay ?

Oops ! Yes Winnie did not leave prints but prints were found on David ‘s rifle, his Stephens and the unidentifiable ones
Winnies hands were not soiled with blood etc as Robins allegedly were !

No comparison .End of story !
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March 9, 2015 11:11pm
Rachael Membery

Kanz (1,603 comments) says:

March 9th, 2015 at 10:49 pm

Was the blood still wet when the police walked there then? Shall we just remember that they were luminol ‘prints’, so not exactly ‘wet’ on the carpet. How long does it take to shoot five people? How long does it take blood to dry?
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March 9, 2015 11:13pm
Rowan

Stephiedunce
What would you know about blood (or lack of) on Winnie’s hands? Total speculation.
Answer: exactly as much as you know about the evidence in the Bain case, nothing whatsoever
And edit your post, it’s almost unreadable!
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March 9, 2015 11:13pm
Rowan

Oliver
Speculation about Robins position, watch the video again, there were actually three different positions shown consistent with the evidence.
That btw is three more scenarios than the crown have for “murder”
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March 9, 2015 11:17pm
Rowan

Stephie

The emotional bs, that is irrelevant, it is total speculation regarding Robins intentions, what if he didn’t intend to spare David or to commit suicide and that these were afterthoughts?
Why do you think that the killer was thinking rationally that morning? There is absolutely zero evidence of it, so enough of the emotional bs
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March 9, 2015 11:21pm
Oliver Twist

Rowan. If Robin died by the chair near the curtains how did his feet end up about one metre away.

What is wrong with our prosecutors? I’ve never seen a case with so much damning evidence.

The magazine on its edge is enough to hang the man.

Goodnight all. Hope you’re being paid, Rowan, you’re wasting your time otherwise. You could never convince anyone. The defence narrative is preposterous.

Remember: no compo.

That’s all you need to remember, really. No compo.
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March 9, 2015 11:32pm
Manolo

Utter waste of time.
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March 10, 2015 7:10am
Rachael Membery

Manolo (15,080 comments) says:

March 10th, 2015 at 7:10 am

I hope not, the matter will be precedent setting.
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March 10, 2015 11:19am
belledejour

the killer wa thinking rationally that morning, up to a point, as he was following a carefully laid plan which went awry when Stephen woke up.He probably got into a bit of a tizz after that big fight though, got a bit rattled, which is when he started to make mistakes. Oops forgot to retrieve the bloody gloves. Oops forgot to retrieve the broken glasses. Time is marching on! gotta get out and do that paper round, wasnt expecting to have to go down a wash the bloody clothes, or wash himself before he took off out the door, for his alibi. oops.
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March 10, 2015 2:33pm
Oliver Twist

Bunnie J. Put all his eggs in one basket case.
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March 10, 2015 8:11pm
Rowan

Belledejour
What utter speculation and most of it baseless, get your facts straight!

“I’ve never seen a case with so much damning evidence.”
Ha ha ha, own goal, except none of the evidence is particularly convincing at all, it all fails the bop test as Binnie found!
Don’t worry one day you might get to meet Daddy in hell and he can tell you all about it!
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March 10, 2015 9:53pm
stephieboy

Rowan, hey move on . Didn’t you know today is the 10th of March 1015 ?
BTW the Binnie Report is dumped and down the dunnie
A new era for Davey boy and DB for Dummies crew.
Didn’t you know, quite rightfully, he now has to prove Dad did it?

woof, woof, woof !
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March 10, 2015 10:29pm
Oliver Twist

Binnie is an amateur, his report was binned. He didn’t know how to go about the job. You have to look at all the evidence together. He didn’t do that.

He was sucked in by that silly experiment with the blood bath. The sock prints in the Bain house were faint, partial and incomplete. Could have been either man but Hentschel thought they belonged to David Bain. He’s the man who saw them. I believe him.

I don’t believe any of the rubbish from you nincompoops.

Nor does the Cabinet.

Yap all you like. Woof woof.
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March 10, 2015 10:48pm
Rowan

“The sock prints in the Bain house were faint, partial and incomplete. Could have been either man but Hentschel thought they belonged to David Bain. He’s the man who saw them. I believe him.”
Own goal and also blatantly untrue, Dr Hentschel always stated that the prints were complete, this was used to exculpate Daddy in 1995 based on Hentschels misinformation about foot size to the jury, up until the second trial when he realised that this would mean that they were made by Daddy, it was only after that that the prints became “incomplete”.
No need to lie about this Ollie!
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March 10, 2015 11:18pm
Oliver Twist

How would Hentschel know they were complete? He didn’t. He though some were fairly complete, but clearly he did not think any gave the full length of the foot. As sockprints don’t unless soaked in blood. Which they were not.

That’s why he said, in his opinion, they were made by David Bain.

Anyway, doesn’t matter, the Bainites can’t prove they were complete. That’s the thing.

Don’t forget, Robin didn’t have others’ blood on him anywhere. Not his socks, not anywhere.

David did. Why? David did it. Simple, really. No need for more money to be wasted on the poor fellow. Just tell him he did it.
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March 10, 2015 11:40pm
thedavincimode

So what about this Bain business? Guilty or not guilty?

Nookin

Too scary.
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March 11, 2015 5:54am
Oliver Twist

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/03/general_debate_8_february_2015-2.html/comment-page-1#comment-1490992
Oliver Twist (187 comments) says: March 10th, 2015 at 8:54 am

Nookin: I have an interest in seeing a properly concluded outcome.

Well, clearly lawyers aren’t the people to ask. A right mess they’ve made of it. The jury system is an anachronism and the adversarial process just a contest between lawyers; the jury picks the winner.

What this Bain nonsense has shown is well known: It’s millions of times easier to spread doubt than the “truth”.

I knew next-to-nothing about Bain until I started reading kiwiblog and now I know a great deal. It pointed me at a lot of factual information. The photos of the corpse with the feet perhaps a metre away from the chair by the blood-stained curtains and the magazine on its edge don’t lie.

Then Binnie J, who produced an amateurish report that some academics think is fine, or even a model. Pathetic.

What other profession values process over truth?

What other profession sucks up so much public money and is content with the wrong answer?

What other profession has academics with the intellect of Noddy?

What other profession is so clearly self-serving and mercenary? The jury system is favoured by lawyers because it gives them a sporting chance of getting a not-guilty verdict for the guilty.

And as for Binnie, does he seriously think he can take on the NZ government in public and win? A puisne judge of no consequence here?
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March 11, 2015 8:40am
Nostalgia-NZ

What’s happened to the author and the ground breaking book? A little problem somewhere?
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March 11, 2015 8:46pm
Kanz

He was gonna come back in here and tell us the answer he got from the Ch Ch High Court. Trouble is, when he got the answer he decided that Vic had the right idea and has gone into hiding.
Upstanding and law abiding citizen that he is, he hasn’t even bothered to warn DPF that he has posted a name all over this blog that is prohibited by law being connected with the Bain case.
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March 11, 2015 8:55pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Well, that is a bit of a problem so I guess he or she can’t blame Binnie after all. What a shame.
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March 11, 2015 9:45pm
Kanz

He did tell us he had more up his sleeve….. just a limp wrist?
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