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Yoza

Recently uncovered documents reveal global warming denial ‘academic’ was producing made to order fossil fuel PR documents rather than anything resembling research papers:

Deeper Ties to Corporate Cash for Doubtful Climate Researcher

One of the names they invoke most often is Wei-Hock Soon, known as Willie, a scientist at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics who claims that variations in the sun’s energy can largely explain recent global warming. He has often appeared on conservative news programs, testified before Congress and in state capitals, and starred at conferences of people who deny the risks of global warming.

But newly released documents show the extent to which Dr. Soon’s work has been tied to funding he received from corporate interests. He has accepted more than $1.2 million in money from the fossil-fuel industry over the last decade while failing to disclose that conflict of interest in most of his scientific papers. At least 11 papers he has published since 2008 omitted such a disclosure, and in at least eight of those cases, he appears to have violated ethical guidelines of the journals that published his work.
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March 3, 2015 8:00am
Viking2

Going to rain.
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March 3, 2015 8:00am
OneTrack

Yoza, how about proving his science is wrong?
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March 3, 2015 8:04am
Andrei

Obama: US ‘The One Indispensable Nation in World Affairs’

Hell they can’t even look after their own, they spend all their money smashing up other peoples countries while their own backyard is rotten to core

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKYHZ4U4g0g
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March 3, 2015 8:05am
KiwiGreg

Almost nothing in that extract is accurate Yoza. But good work in staying loyal to the cause.
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March 3, 2015 8:07am
Chuck Bird

I will finally get my day in Court on at 10 am at Manukau District Court today. I will be representing myself as will the other party who is a former lawyer. Things are looking good the judges and staff in the HC and the DC are getting pissed off with this idiot.

I would be a real fool if I took the advice of some know all lawyers on KB who say I should employ another shyster. I will have another Kiwi blogger there to report what happens as well as me.

Anyone else with time to spare is welcome to come along and report what they see. The case should be in court room 11. Bird v Skelton.
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March 3, 2015 8:07am
flipper

Last surviving Dambusters pilot sells gallantry medals for upkeep of Bomber Command Memorial
Squadron Leader Les Munro hopes to raise £50,000 from sale of medals to go towards newly-built London memorial to airmen killed during Second World War ….

New Zealand’s Les Munro makes a sacrifice ….. for the memorial to his comrades…..what an example to our so called “modern day social warriors ” …… Arseholes like in our House of Representatives, like “bomb them” Little, traitorous Red Norman, Flaky (do you love my hair and bow ties?) Dunne, and the pisshead from St Marys Bay. They should read and follow his example.

This from the Telegraph this morning.”
3:15PM GMT 02 Mar 2015
The last surviving Dambusters pilot is to sell his gallantry medals awarded for the famous raid and donate the proceeds to the Bomber Command Memorial fund.
Squadron Leader Les Munro hopes to raise £50,000 from the sale, which will go towards the upkeep of the newly-built memorial dedicated to the 55,573 airmen killed during the Second World War.
Among them will be the Distinguished Flying Cross for bravery, which brought a tragic twist of fate for Sq Ldr Munro.
When his mother opened the door to an official delivering an unopened telegram with news of his award, she feared the worst and collapsed with an aneurism and died within a week.
After being given the devastating news, Sq Ldr Munro was offered the chance to be taken off bombing operations, but declined ……
Read the full coverage with pix at:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11444720/Last-surviving-Dambusters-pilot-sells-gallantry-medals-for-upkeep-of-Bomber-Command-Memorial.html
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March 3, 2015 8:07am
Jack5

For goodness sake give our police the gear to protect themselves – let them carry pistols as a matter of course.

The pitbull and thug attack on a policeman at the Foxton WINZ officereaffirms that society is more dangerous than it was when our anti-firerarms police leaders patrolled the streets. Our police carried pistols in the nineteenth century. They need to carry them again.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11410606
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March 3, 2015 8:09am
Pete George

I’m a cannabis agnostic.

Fortunately I have no need for medical marijuana products.

I’ve never been inclined to use cannabis recreationally. It simply hasn’t attracted me despite being readily available (friends including a flatmate have been users).

So I have no interest in cannabis for my own use. But two things concern me.

First and foremost, it seems unconscionable that there are such severe restrictions on the use of medical marijuana in New Zealand. I don’t think there’s any doubt that people would benefit, some significantly, from being able to utilise a fairly natural and apparently effective remedy through pain relief and other specific uses.

Second, prohibition isn’t working. New Zealand has one of the highest per capita rates of cannabis use in the world.

But while getting pissed out of your brain is allowed (and promoted by many), and the effects of alcohol abuse are insidious and enormous in our society, being caught having a puff of pot could result in a conviction. That seems awfully out of whack.

And keeping cannabis underground nurtures and normalises an extensive criminal network.

I don’t care about cannabis as a plant or a product for myself.

But I care about the significant adverse affects on health treatment and on our society with our current legal stance on cannabis.

And the lack of a will to address any of this in Parliament concerns me greatly. I’m very disappointed with our politicians who refuse to even seriously consider doing something about it. They are failing society.

This must change.
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March 3, 2015 8:09am
Nukuleka

I wonder whether the decision of Workplace NZ to prosecute the Ministry of Social Development over the Ashburton shootings isn’t likely to have significant ramifications for not only the public but also the private sector. Does this mean that all banks will now feel obligated to protect their employees with bullet-proof windows and grilles as we see in many overseas countries? And what about supermarkets and dairies? Will they fear prosecution in case of a rogue killer on the rampage? How will the local dairy go about protecting its employees from such a random attack?

Isn’t this prosecution likely to have an impact upon the whole way that we do business and interact with one another within New Zealand society?

As well, of course, as is already happening, removing the blame for the Ashburton horrors away from the killer and onto the victims and their workplace!
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March 3, 2015 8:10am
stephieboy

Andrei, at least Obana does not murder his Republican and other opposition members.

You cam confidently and knowledgeably assert the Russian Police are sneaky clean ?
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March 3, 2015 8:14am
kowtow

Good man Pete ,and dog licensing ensures pitbulls don’t bite!
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March 3, 2015 8:15am
Jack5

Re Andrei at 8.05:

Why are you repeating the post and link about the Los Angeles police shooting when you put them on general debate yesterday?

I sometimes agree with you, but if you want to defend Putin by pointing to American flaws, repetition just makes your strategy obvious.
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March 3, 2015 8:16am
Inandout

Jack5: Police should never attend any WINZ office incident alone, anywhere in NZ. Their ‘clients’ include the very dregs of society, and P users abound.
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March 3, 2015 8:19am
Yoza

OneTrack (3,768 comments) says:
March 3rd, 2015 at 8:04 am

Yoza, how about proving his science is wrong?

Science? Don’t you mean, “Yoza, how about proving his PR is wrong?”
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March 3, 2015 8:23am
Andrei

Why are you repeating the post and link about the Los Angeles police shooting when you put them on general debate yesterday?

My Friend day after day GD is filled with endless dribble over global warming and whether or not jet fuel can melt steel girders

Late last night i posted that video – Guilty, few will have seen it though given the lateness of the hour and my editorial aside was different.

There are some serious questions to be asked about the path the Western world is on but if you prefer to while away your time pondering if the moon landing was a hoax and if Elvis is really still with us feel free to do so

It is an open thread after all
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March 3, 2015 8:26am
Chris2

Can’t believe the absence of debate over the former employee awarded $168,000 by the Human Rights Tribunal.

On a cake, she iced an obscene message about her former employer and published it on Facebook for her 150 Facebook friends. The employer sent the photo to recruitment agencies and her new employer suggesting they sack her.

It seems its OK for a former employee to bad-mouth a former employer, but not the other way around.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/66827105/rude-cake-baker-gets-record-168k-in-damages

Workers lose parts of their anatomy in workplace injuries and get nothing like $168K. The Human Rights Tribunal is out of control and has got to be abolished with mad awards like this.

I hope the company appeals to a “proper” Court.
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March 3, 2015 8:26am
Jack5

Re inandout at 8.19:

The Ashburton shooting proves what you say about WINZ office dangers, and in small towns in these cases. There won’t always be two police officers available. If a small-town cop is called in a hurry to a WINZ office he or she mightn’t have time to get the pistol out of the locked patrol-car boot, or even might arrive on foot.

A pistol on a hip would settle down some of these violent ratbags.
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March 3, 2015 8:26am
Griff

Willie soon be gone
From the Smithsonian and Harvard at lest.

Here jack is the result of one of Soons fantasy papers

Midway through the hearing, [ranking member] Jeffords dropped a bombshell. He announced that his staff had received a note from Hans Von Storch announcing his resignation as chief editor of the journal Climate Research, in protest over the publication of the Soon and Baliunas paper. Von Storch was no scientific ally of mine. Indeed … he and I had had disputes in the past regarding the relative merits of statistical climate reconstruction methods. But ally or not, Von Storch was outraged that such a transparently flawed paper had been published in his journal. His note, which Jeffords read aloud, was to the point: “My view … is that the review of the Soon et al. paper failed to detect significant methodological flaws … The paper should not have been published in this forum, not because of the eventual conclusion, but because of the insufficient evidence to draw this conclusion.” Von Storch’s resignation had been precipitated by the refusal of the journal’s publisher, Otto Kinne, to allow him to publish an editorial expressing his view that the peer review process had clearly failed with the Soon and Baliunas paper. Several other editors quit as well (ultimately six editors—half the editorial board—would quit in protest over the incident)….

Perhaps the single most troubling issue to arise from the Soon and Baliunas affair was that of apparent editorial malpractice. At the two journals that published versions of the paper, the peer review process appears to have been compromised to produce a study in the scientific literature that could be seized upon by those with a contrarian policy agenda. … It is particularly pernicious when that process is compromised or co-opted for political ends.
http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2015/03/02/science-denialists-have-delayed-action-on-climate-change-soon-vs-the-hockey-stick/
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March 3, 2015 8:27am
EAD

Stephie boy,

as one of the few remaining independent news sites, that is not part of the big 6 who control 90% of the American publics viewing content http://www.businessinsider.com/these-6-corporations-control-90-of-the-media-in-america-2012-6?IR=T, Global Research has the excellent description of the 4 types of Americans:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/totalitarian-rule-in-america-false-flags-secret-prisons-media-censorship-the-rounding-up-of-alleged-terrorists/5434238

1) one camp consists of the totalitarian enforcers that are members of the criminal government agencies having drawn the line in the sand with their massive bulk data collection separating themselves from the opposing camp

2) citizens who disagree with the aboves Orwellian nightmare-come-true.

3) A third group, are those Americans sitting on the fence, though leaning toward the oppressors as in the Stockholm syndrome, often employed in the Fortune 500 transnational corporations unwilling to bite the immoral hand that feeds them

4) A fourth group, and by far the largest are flock of sheeple representing Americans either too ignorant, weak or fearful who remain in denial or have stuck their head in the sand pretending or hoping that what’s happening above ground really isn’t happening at all. In fact they are probably cheering on the American military industrial complex and their central bank enablers as they destroy and loot the world of it’s remaining wealth. They are in for very a rude awakening.

I place you squarely in group 4 Stephieboy

Gulag shared a great article on this very phenomenon last night which is worth sharing
http://www.thedailybell.com/editorials/36116/Ron-Holland-10-Reasons-Washington-Has-War-Fever/
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March 3, 2015 8:28am
Jack5

Re Andrei at 8.26:

Fair enough. I accept the repetition was reasonable.
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March 3, 2015 8:29am
Griff

Tell us about the end times and how Obama is the anti Christ again Andrei.
I so like to place a commenters thinking into perspective.
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March 3, 2015 8:29am
Chuck Bird

Dennis Horne will be coming along as my McKenzie Friend. I am sure he will be better than any shyster.
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March 3, 2015 8:32am
doggone7

Northern Advocate today: “Former principal Donna Donnelly resigned at the end of term two and moved …”

The same person who was one of the pin-up girls for National Standards?
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March 3, 2015 8:33am
Keeping Stock

Good luck Chuck, but don’t forget these words from someone far wiser than me:

“He who represents himself has a fool for a client.” Quote by Abraham Lincoln.
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March 3, 2015 8:33am
fylde

The award to the employee looks high. However it did appear somewhat hypocritical to hear Mike Hosking complain about it. His father in law I understand got a much bigger payout for an employment issue and the poor taxpayer had to stump that up indirectly via ownership of an SOE
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March 3, 2015 8:34am
kowtow

A war hero must sell his medals to maintain a memorial to true heroes while a seditious middle temple lawyer gets a statue in Westminster.

Sums up modern Britain very well.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-31574081
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March 3, 2015 8:35am
IGM

Flipper: Superb commentary.
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March 3, 2015 8:36am
EAD

It looks like the Western MSM has been caught lying again – Boris Nemtsov was sacrificed to kick off a Colour Revolution:

http://henrymakow.com/2015/03/nemtsov-sacrificed.html

Damning evidence after damning evidence is laid out in front of the reader but would you expect the Western MSM to even look at this? Not likely. Like “Global Warming”, once they’ve got a meme, nothing will ever make them change their narrative if it doesn’t fit their agenda.

Or as Makow puts it:

“You had a lot of parties who stood to gain from this hit. The least of which would be Vladamir Putin. Of course, the westernized MSM can’t put two and two together, once again. Nor do they expect you to be able to do so. But, there you have it”
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March 3, 2015 8:38am
Paulus

Angry Andrew wants it both way – on the one hand he supports the move to limited MP’s salaries to the averages in the Public Services but on the other hand he wants the Union members totalling 371,613 to be free to screw the Taxpayers for as much as they can get.
Many in the Public Sector have received good pay rises in recent years, well away from the old days, thanks to Helen Clark.
I would like to know how many Public Servants earn over $100,000 p.a.
Local Government is probably the best example – I understand that of the 510 staff (forgetting 500 Contractors to the council) at Tauranga City Council that over 26% earn ?? over $100,000.
This is entirely symptomatic of local Government – I do not have the Auckland figures but it is also enormous.
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March 3, 2015 8:42am
Manolo

Lardy Hillary prepares for it, while stephieboy is having a never ending orgasm: http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-seen-launching-presidential-bid-in-april-1425254392

Hillary Clinton and her close advisers are telling Democratic donors she will enter the presidential race sooner than expected, likely in April, a move that would allay uncertainties within her party and allow her to rev up fundraising.
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March 3, 2015 8:44am
Tauhei Notts

In the provincial town in which I live the banks deal in tens of millions. They do not need bullet proof glass. They do not need security guards. They deal mainly with people who have a modicum of personal responsibility.
Okay, the bank employees can be annoying. When I wanted AUD500 to go to Sydney to attend to out of pocket expenses they insisted upon photo identification, even though I had been dealing with them weekly for the past 37 years. And had spent too much time socialising with various members of the bank’s staff! We must have photo id!!!
But the Social Welfare office has a security guard outside it all day, every day.
Jack5 is correct; it is unsafe for police officers to approach a Social Welfare office alone. Any police supervisor who allows such a thing to happen is being irresponsible. But the supervisors cannot explain in clear unambiguous language that the people who visit a Social Welfare office, under the age of 60, are the pus on top of our country’s festering sore. To do so would subject one to accusations of racism or any other “ism” that might be thought of.
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March 3, 2015 8:44am
peterwn

Nukuleka – What is going to be interesting here is OSH’s reasoning for the prosecution. In particular whether there were factors peculiar to the circumstances of the case such as WINZ being aware that the nutter had made threats which were not addressed. The nearest comparison is banks who have developed comprehensive security plans to deal with holdups. They have not put their staff behind thick chunks of armoured glass or perspex, indeed ANZ did install such screens at some branches then removed them. A big problem with this sort of security is a robber could threaten to harm another customer in the hope of getting money. Perhaps the problem for WINZ is it had no appropriate overall policy or plan (with expert opinion and reasoning) to cover such contingencies. In will be interesting to see how any OSH legal arguments along the lines that WINZ should have taken heavy handed precautions go down with the District Judge.

A broader issue is should OSH officialdom together with a judge be determining required security practices and policies of this sort or should the Government step in with a more broad based enquiry.
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March 3, 2015 8:45am
wreck1080

I wanna take someones car keys now.
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March 3, 2015 8:45am
iMP

Andrei (8.05) that is compelling video, but take a closer look and listen carefully. In my view, the Police are entirely justified in this killing. Summary and frame by frame commentary…

https://conzervative.wordpress.com/2015/03/03/police-shooting-of-a-homeless-man-but-take-a-closer-look/
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March 3, 2015 8:47am
hj

flipper (4,488 comments) says:
March 3rd, 2015 at 8:07 am

New Zealand’s Les Munro makes a sacrifice ….. for the memorial to his comrades…..what an example to our so called “modern day social warriors ” …… Arseholes like in our House of Representatives, like “bomb them” Little, traitorous Red Norman, Flaky (do you love my hair and bow ties?) Dunne, and the pisshead from St Marys Bay. They should read and follow his example.
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I wonder how he feels about the globalisation of the NZ property market?
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March 3, 2015 8:56am
Nookin

Good luck Chuck. Let us know how you get on.
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March 3, 2015 8:58am
EAD

When the main MSM promoted Republican candidate is attacking traditional marriage, supports an amnesty for illegal aliens and common core education, the Cultural Marxists of the Frankfurt School are close to having won:

http://truebluenz.com/2015/03/03/jeb-bush-campaign-team-headed-by-contingent-of-homosexual-activists/
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March 3, 2015 8:58am
kowtow

“I wonder how he feels about the globalisation of the NZ property market?”

Not sure, but he made huge contributions to the building and housing industry in Germany.
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March 3, 2015 8:59am
IGM

Union Andy is definitely as bad as both Goff and Cunliffe. He is greasing to PSA because he reckons they may lose out because JK wants to put the ice on MP’s salaries. What a charlatan and gutless bastard Little is proving to be. No wonder New Plymoth showed him the door . . . he is a loser!
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March 3, 2015 8:59am
hj

You cant prove global warming is happening and due to man’s activities but you can come to a conclusion on the balance of evidence.
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March 3, 2015 9:04am
dime

“Not sure, but he made huge contributions to the building and housing industry in Germany.”

LOL
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March 3, 2015 9:08am
Komata

Re: SQN Ldr Munro’s medals (thanks Flipper – the message has been put around):

Whether or not anyone of the readership is aware of it, these items form an extremely important part of New Zealand’s military history, and should ideally remain in New Zealand, specifically at the RNZAF Museum at Wigram. It is a sad reflection of the attitude of the UK government that a memorial to those who made appalling sacrifices for their nation has to be privately-funded for maintenance yet one of Ghandi is kept clean at Government expense.

Such should not, of course be the case, but since it is, we have to face the reality that Les Munro is prepared to sacrifice something of significance (both to him, and to our country) to assist.

As I have already said, these medals are of national significance, and should reside at Wigram. If VC’s can be placed at Waiouru (NZ Army Museum) and (as I understand it were purchased by the NZ Govt). surely the same should be done for these medals?

Not sure what can be done, but as we effectively only have 24 hours before the auction, any assistance to ‘purchase and return’ these medals would be appreciated.

Does anyone have direct contact with JK to appraise him of the situation? DF – can you help?

Thanks.
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March 3, 2015 9:24am
hj

stephieboy (4,459 comments) says:
March 2nd, 2015 at 2:08 pm

hj, on my morning walk I passed a group of elderly Somalis going, like me, for their morning constitutional . It made me briefly think of kowtow, criko and you and how you would be all throwing up at such a sight or thought !
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I would be thinking: “how many people like that get benefits they paid no taxes for” and that “these decisions would have been made by wealth privileged progressives in the public service and ivory towers of academia”.
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March 3, 2015 9:26am
Inandout

Jack5 8.26: Then all WINZ call outs must in the first instance be treated as an AO incident; there is no other way around it. Eventually this government may be able to wean the mad and bad off benefits.
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March 3, 2015 9:32am
Sofia

Penny
An Auckland Council IT project originally budgeted to cost $71 million should be delivered for the new cost of $172 million, says a senior council executive.
Last month, the Herald revealed the soaring cost of the NewCore IT project, which is key to delivering better services and promised savings to the Super City model.
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/12/the-nz-heralds-number-one-fanboi-gums-auckland-council-coo-for-101m-overspend/

How does Auckland Council deliver the better services and promised savings of the Super City model when the IT key to that will not be implemented until June 2016 or June 2017?
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March 3, 2015 9:41am
waikatogirl

Nukuleka: I wonder whether the decision of Workplace NZ to prosecute the Ministry of Social Development over the Ashburton shootings isn’t likely to have significant ramifications for not only the public but also the private sector.

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Another way to rort business by fining them for foreseeable events.

How was this shooting foreseeable or preventable? Sure there are threats from from “clients” but who knew some nutter with a gun would kill these women? What precautions did Winz need to take prior to a threat that hadn’t yet happened!
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March 3, 2015 9:45am
Tarquin North

I agree with you Chris2. If she didn’t bake the obscene cake for a friend and post it nothing would have happened. She was not working for the credit union at the time. The person who sent the photo to the agencies may have a case to answer, but I doubt she did this in her official capacity. So, why did the credit union get shafted? Definitely time to appeal to a real court. Personally I think the message on the cake and the fact no lawyer wanted to know her speaks volumes about her character.
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March 3, 2015 9:47am
Jack5

Komata at 9.24 on Les Munro’s medals:

Does anyone have direct contact with JK to appraise him of the situation? DF – can you help?

Sorry, JK’s got a a morning off his usual shift helping Kokila Patel run the general debate thread.

However, I think your move is wrong. Munro may take it as pressure to give his medals to NZ.

What he’s doing is quite noble, and if the medals end up in a British or other collection they will almost certainly be better guarded and protected than Upham’s VCs were at Waiouru.

As for belonging in NZ, I’m not sure of that. Munro and thousands of other NZ air crew volunteers fought (and often died) from British bases. We were solidly British in those days.
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March 3, 2015 9:52am
Sofia

Flipper – Last surviving Dambusters pilot sells gallantry medals for upkeep of Bomber Command Memorial Squadron Leader Les Munro hopes to raise £50,000 from sale of medals to go towards newly-built London memorial to airmen killed during Second World War ….

Does Peter Jackson know?
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March 3, 2015 9:55am
Yoza

iMP (2,519 comments) says:
March 3rd, 2015 at 8:47 am

Andrei (8.05) that is compelling video, but take a closer look and listen carefully. In my view, the Police are entirely justified in this killing. Summary and frame by frame commentary…

It looks like what it is, a bunch of state sanctioned armed thugs summarily executing a homeless person. At least in the Central American death-squad countries propped up by the US the police take off their uniforms before carrying out summary executions, …well most of the time.
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March 3, 2015 10:00am
waikatogirl

Chris2: Can’t believe the absence of debate over the former employee awarded $168,000 by the Human Rights Tribunal.
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I agree. This is an outrageous payout for hurt feelings. The message on the derogatory cake was clearly not that private as the slanderous message was being shared with a group of friends; at least one of whom appeared to be currently working for the firm concerned.

The former employer handled this slander badly. Inappropriateness ruled on both sides of this one. There needs to be an appeal for the awarded $168,000 by the Human Rights Tribunal.
Gouging businesses seems to be a growing industry!
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March 3, 2015 10:05am
Jack5

Pete George posted at 8.09:

I’m a cannabis agnostic.

Pete, does that mean you, too, never inhaled, or just that you are undecided whether what you unhaled counts?

Or does it mean you partake but are agnostic in religion?

Your point about the relative harm of alcohol is valid, IMHO, but one advantage dope smokers have is they seem to partake and drive pretty much as they like.

I think it’s ironic that some unkempt, layabout thug on the West Coast or in the Otago backblocks, while high on cannabis might seize the keys of a hard-working Chinese worker on his trip-of-a-lifetime to Xin Xiland with his wife and child and his parents, leaving the group stranded in the sticks of a remote land whose language they don’t speak.
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March 3, 2015 10:10am
waikatogirl

TarquinNorth: Personally I think the message on the cake and the fact no lawyer wanted to know her speaks volumes about her character.

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When I saw her face plastered all over nationwide news, I thought that won’t increase her employment chances!
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March 3, 2015 10:20am
Viking2

Chris2 (796 comments) says:
March 3rd, 2015 at 8:26 am

Can’t believe the absence of debate over the former employee awarded $168,000 by the Human Rights Tribunal.

On a cake, she iced an obscene message about her former employer and published it on Facebook for her 150 Facebook friends. The employer sent the photo to recruitment agencies and her new employer suggesting they sack her.

It seems its OK for a former employee to bad-mouth a former employer, but not the other way around.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/66827105/rude-cake-baker-gets-record-168k-in-damages

Workers lose parts of their anatomy in workplace injuries and get nothing like $168K. The Human Rights Tribunal is out of control and has got to be abolished with mad awards like this.

I hope the company appeals to a “proper” Court.
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simple really.
The “manager defamed his ex employee in an unacceptable manner. Thus he affected her future income. Should have been more.
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March 3, 2015 10:21am
stephieboy

Andrei, Police Brutality Russian style .Tip of the iceberg stuff,

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ff3wOh5w9c
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March 3, 2015 10:27am
KevinH

@waikatogirl
The payout for this case seems unusually high, without having the benefit of viewing the formula for the compensation it would not be unreasonable for the employer to seek a judicial review.

@Andrei and Yoza.
I watched the video of the killing of the homeless man by Police and was appalled by what I saw. There were four Policemen attempting to restrain the man as he struggled and they made a complete farce of it. Their actions in shooting him approximately three to four times was an over reaction, they failed to warn him and their actions were reckless. They also failed to check on him following the shooting to ascertain the extent of his injuries or to render him any assistance. Very unprofessional. I would not be surprised if there is a large violent reaction to this incident from the African American community.
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March 3, 2015 10:33am
flipper

Sofia…
Don’t know will send the original piece and your comment to Weta and ask them to pass along …..
Good thort S
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March 3, 2015 10:43am
Andrei

Stephieboy – strawman argument

Nobody’s claiming Russia isn’t violent at times, nor NZ for that matter. Indeed parts of Russia today resemble the Wild West of the 19th century in America and there are the вор в законе (vor v zakone) ie Mafia of course

We might note though that the individual in your video ended up in handcuffs rather than a corpse on the sidewalk, guns were not drawn let alone fired

But all of that misses the real point

The problems within Russian society are for the peoples of Russia to work out with their elected representatives and not for those from foreign lands to dictate from afar

And this should be true for all Nations.

The USA is borrowing a billion dollars a day to maintain a military machine the likes of which the world has never seen and is using it to impose its will on other sovereign nations while its inner cities fall into decay and the sick and the vulnerable live on the streets subject to extreme violence at the hands of organs of the State.

The quote on my original post illustrates the sheer hubris of the USA’s ruling elites as they justify their self appointed role as the world’s policemen leaving a trail of death,destruction and ruined societies in their wake as they go about their mission
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March 3, 2015 10:55am
Albert_Ross

I see Morgan is on about the Treaty in the DomPost again, this time suggesting that instead of developing separate legal systems, guaranteed seats and other democratically objectionable measures as a substitute for implementing the Treaty properly, there should be one law, one democracy and we should implement the Treaty properly – by which he says he means, protection for Maori customs, institutions, traditions and language.

I am genuinely puzzled as to what this means. As long as it’s not against the law, any Maori is legally free to observe whatever customs and traditions, participate in whatever institutions, and speak whatever language he likes, and nobody has any right to prevent him from doing so. The same applies to us all, and long may it remain so.

What additional “protection” is necessary? Is it suggested that Maori (and others?) should be forced to participate in Maori customs, traditions, institutions and languages, whether they want to or not? Or that others who aren’t Maori enough should be prevented from doing so, no matter how great and genuine their interest?

Or are there in fact Maori customs and traditions that are against the law or institutions that are in conflict with it? What are they, and which laws do they conflict with?
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March 3, 2015 11:26am
Tarquin North

Viking2, surely the fact that she uploaded a photo of the cake was an atempt to humiliate her former employer? I don’t agree with what they did, but if you live by the sword you can die by it. I think $168,000 is hugely excessive.
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March 3, 2015 11:28am
Ross12

This is one time I agree with Andrew Little

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/26496954/curb-stratospheric-public-ceo-salaries-little/
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March 3, 2015 11:35am
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

My Chinese neighbour is now terrified of driving any distance around Auckland with all of the anti-toruist sentiment. She doesnt want to be mistaken for a tourist. I did point out her terror is exactly what I feel when she drives as she is an awful driver. The point is, now how many people may get mistaken for tourists because they are bad drivers ?
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March 3, 2015 11:37am
IGM

Fairfax have had the message from EPMU . . . try posting anything on one of their posts detrimental to Guttless Little? No way, just anti-National crap.
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March 3, 2015 11:51am
EAD

Google – pure evil

http://www.infowars.com/google-moving-to-shut-down-alternative-media-by-ranking-sites-on-facts-rather-than-popularity/

Reminds me of Orwell’s famous quote: ” He who controls the present, controls the past, he who controls the past, controls the future”
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March 3, 2015 12:00pm
publicwatchdog

Seems that some Labour and Mana supporters are ‘getting’ the need to vote for Winston Peters in the Northland by-election, in order to help ensure National do NOT win back this seat.

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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March 3, 2015 12:12pm
kowtow

old mickey

The moral panic that the media have whipped up about foreign drivers is shameful. Now we’ve got “have a go” vigilantes taking the law into their own hands .

Cops should charge anyone stealing a tourists keys with either theft or interfering with a vehicle.

One of these days this vigilantism will get out of hand .It is outright racism ,which the media don’t care to remark on (unless it’s a white gobbing off about Islam) Clearly Chinese are fairgame.

Everyday on a frighteningly frequent basis I see whiteys with phones at the wheel , where are these vigilante heroes dealing with that?

Come to think of it ,where’s Plod, after all it ‘s her job to police the roads. probably at some LGBT outreach lecture.
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March 3, 2015 12:19pm
Shawn Herles

Yeah, this doesn’t look dodgy for the Kremlin at all…

Putin critic’s girlfriend ‘under guard’ and not allowed to leave the country.

“Boris Nemtsov’s girlfriend has broken her public silence on the murder of the Russian opposition activist, saying she did not see the killer who gunned him down as they strolled across a bridge near the Kremlin.

The interview with Ukrainian fashion model Anna Duritskaya came amid conflicting reports emerged about the availability of surveillance footage showing the slaying.

No suspects have been arrested since Nemtsov was shot dead on Friday night (Saturday, NZT). According to Russian investigators, he was walking home on a Moscow bridge near the Kremlin with a woman when he was shot four times by an assailant, who then escaped in a light-coloured car.

The area is one of the most secure, heavily monitored parts of the Russian capital. The attack came just hours after a radio interview in which the opposition leader had denounced Russian President Vladimir Putin’s “mad, aggressive policy” in Ukraine.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/66869678/nemtsovs-shaken-girlfriend-says-she-didnt-see-killer
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March 3, 2015 12:23pm
Shawn Herles

From planet EAD: “It looks like the Western MSM has been caught lying again – Boris Nemtsov was sacrificed to kick off a Colour Revolution: http://henrymakow.com/2015/03/nemtsov-sacrificed.html”

The fastest way to make yourself look very silly is to quote a complete loon like Makow.

“Dr.[1]Henry Makow (born 1949) is what you get when you cross a whiny, Warren Farrellian men’s rights activist with a paranoid, David Ickian conspiracy theorist. In Makow’s warped imagination, the world is being controlled by nefarious Judeo-Masonic/Satanic/Communist forces spearheaded by the Rockefeller Foundation, to which feminism can be attributed as a scheme designed to encourage women not to have children as part of greater depopulation efforts.

Makow believes that the world is controlled by the satanic Skull and Bones society, which is apparently an Illuminati front group. He knows this because George W. Bush once made the Satanic horn sign.[3] Makow also believes that the Illuminati was created by Kabbalah Jews acting in concert with the Knights Templar.[4] Feminism was apparently created as a way to get women on their side, and to encourage women to hate men, deign not to have children and take jobs outside of the home to reduce the population (the conspirators furthermore encourage homosexuality for the same reason).

Makow refers to this as “the psychological sterilization of the human female”, and naturally believes [A] that the proper place of women is barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen and [B] that all career women are covertly miserable on the inside.[5] Like some MGTOWers, and all too many mail order bride websites, he advocates that western men try marrying Asian women under the belief that they are more traditionally submissive, and has even written a decidedly creepy book about his experiences shopping for a bride in the Philippines[6]. Makow also believes in Federal Reserve crankery, and that Ezra Pound[wp] was going to blow the whistle on the Fed and then was jailed.[5]

JFK, Abraham Lincoln, and James Garfield were all killed by the Illuminati/Rothschilds for trying to print money. Richard Nixon, meanwhile, was framed for Watergate because he was planning to purge the Illuminati from the CIA and the US government.[7]

The Beatles were Illuminati mind controllers who promoted drug use, free sex and the New Age movement. As with Bush, Makow knows this because of a gesture John Lennon made with his hand on the cover of Yellow Submarine.[8]

He also designs board games.”

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Henry_Makow
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March 3, 2015 12:29pm
Nukuleka

Does the Electoral Commission have so much taxpayers’ money to squander that it has to send out wholly unnecessary enrolment material at every turn? Today brings an envelope full of bumf about enrolling for the flag referendum. I’m jolly well enrolled and have been for yonks! What’s going on?

At least one of the pieces of paper tells me that we shall soon have online enrolment. praise be for that. But why this latest mail-out?
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March 3, 2015 12:31pm
Chuck Bird

Hi Guys

I got a good ruling but I fear it will not end there. It will be appealed to the HC. The former lawyer brought a lawyer called Henry along to just argue about transfering everying to the HC. He tried his best but success was unlikely. The lawyer and the former lawyer just buggers off with out telling the judge he was not coming back. The judge initially said the case was so complicated it would need a forensic accountant. i successfully argued that my claim was straight forward and the counterclaim was vexatious and the clown had not paid his hearing costs and just buggered off.

There is reserved decision but he in dictated it would be in my favour. This clown will no doubt go to the HC.

If I had a lawyer I may have got the same ruling but I could have got a better ruling and also could have got a worse one.
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March 3, 2015 12:35pm
EAD

Shawn Herles – the very definition of a useful idiot:

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiots

“Useful Idiots are terms used to describe decadent or brainwashed gentiles who do the bidding of internationalism Communism. Useful idiots are usually afraid to think for themselves or question anything outside of the line parroted in the controlled media.

The phrase was first used by Jewish mass murderer Vladimir Lenin. His useful idiots were going to help him conquer the world but illness and death caught up with him first. In the event Joseph Stalin carried on where he left off. Uncle Joe was not an idiot but he was very effective as a mass murderer”
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March 3, 2015 12:37pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Brilliant work from Little..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/66867624/public-servants-could-lose-out-on-mp-pay-change-andrew-little

Majority of NZ’ers think public most public servants are overpaid. Way to go Andy !!!!

6 more years.
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March 3, 2015 12:43pm
Fletch

More ISIS atrocities – allegedly feeding a woman the flesh of her son, who was kidnapped by ISIS earlier and who she went to free.
She did not know it was her son until they told her and laughed about it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2975200/Isis-fed-murdered-kidnap-victim-mother-travelled-headquarters-demanded-him.html
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March 3, 2015 12:49pm
Andrei

Yeah, this doesn’t look dodgy for the Kremlin at all…

Putin critic’s girlfriend ‘under guard’ and not allowed to leave the country.

Shawn mate, are you pathologically incapable of any intellectual honesty?

Do you suppose that the New Zealand authorities would allow a witness to a high profile murder, especially a witness who might well be an accessory to that crime, leave the country?

It is even more unlikely they would permit this when said witness would be travelling to a place from where it would be nigh on impossible to get them to return from if it became necessary.
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March 3, 2015 12:56pm
Inandout

EAD: John Minto is a useful idiot.
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March 3, 2015 12:59pm
publicwatchdog

Such fun!

Just finished attending the CCO a Governance Committee meeting of Auckland Council, where, under the ‘no surprises’ policy, I personally told each of the CEOs of six of the ‘substantive’ CCOs that I would be campaigning for the DE-amalgamation of the Auckland ‘Supercity’ and getting rid of ALL the CCOs 🙂

The CHEEK of it!

😉

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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March 3, 2015 1:02pm
Griff

Andrei in New Zealand a witness would be free to leave at any time.
you can not be detained without charge here .
Russia is not a functioning democracy.
That you champion such an authoritarian regime is typical of extreme conservationism.
Hows the apocalypse developing ?
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March 3, 2015 1:30pm
Manolo

What about all that effing “hope and change”?: http://townhall.com/tipsheet/conncarroll/2015/03/02/obama-very-interested-in-raising-taxes-through-executive-action-n1964629

White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest confirmed Monday that President Obama is “very interested” in the idea of raising taxes through unitlateral executive action.
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March 3, 2015 1:44pm
MT_Tinman

Inandout (501 comments) says:
March 3rd, 2015 at 12:59 pm

John Minto is a useful idiot.

NO!

Nothing useful about that p o s.
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March 3, 2015 1:50pm
starboard

Why would you bail this arsehole ?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/66881816/german-tourist-beaten-robbed-in-nelson

Another peaceful native allowed to roam the streets after showing he’s not fit to live in a civilised society.
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March 3, 2015 2:00pm
Manolo

@starboard: The animal Timu Patuwai can always blame colonialism for his savage behaviour. Too many do.
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March 3, 2015 2:03pm
MT_Tinman

There is a story on Stuff.cop.nz about a driver being discharged without conviction after being the driver of a car a toddler ran under in a driveway.

Anyone with a brain reading the story will immediately understand this prosecution should never have taken place. The sad event was a genuine accident.

Like the bloody ridiculous decision to prosecute WINZ for the Ashburton shooting, http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/03/worksafes_prosecution.html this action was simply a reason to enrich shysters and served no other purpose at all.

Time, immediately, for the appropriate ministers to step up and stop this waste of my money.

DPF, you wrote to me recently asking for more money for the Taxpayers Union. Why is that union not all over the media demanding this crap stops?
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March 3, 2015 2:06pm
cricko

The greatest friend Iran has on the world stage seems to be Barry Obama.

The world will be watching when Bibi Netanyahu gives his speech tomorrow.

Barry Obama, John Kerry, Valarie Jarret, Susan Rice……………….

Could anyone conjour a more piss weak, incompetant, amateur crew to be in charge of the free world ?
Iran knows it, Putin knows it.
Why wouldn’t they make hay while the sun shines ?

This lot make Jimmy Carter look like a hawk.

Iran shat on USA for 400 odd days while Carter dithered, remember ?
The day after he was dumped and Reagan took over Iran caved and released the hostages.

Iran delights in that they are ‘confronted’ by the current piss weak US crew of appeasers.

And they know that they still have 2 years to play them.
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March 3, 2015 2:16pm
Manolo

Piss weak gang of appeasers, indeed. And the Messiah, a closet Muslim maybe?
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March 3, 2015 2:29pm
Maggy Wassilieff

For those following the climate change witch-hunts going on in the US

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/03/02/statement-by-dr-willie-soon/
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March 3, 2015 3:27pm
cricko

Well Manolo,

seems like Iran has its supporters right here on KB judging by the thumbs down to my effort @ 2.16

Or, maybe they are just haters of democracy.

Or, maybe they just hate Jews.

Or, maybe they are just blind lovers of Obama.

Be good if even just one of them had the cojones to explain where I have gone wrong and why the reasons
above I surmise may account for their position are wrong.

But they wont. This type never do.

The best we could hope for is for some drongs to chime in with a series of questions posing as an argument.

Is there even just one of them prepared to address the issue ?

I doubt it, but lets see.
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March 3, 2015 3:29pm
Manolo

Once a crook, always a crook: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?_r=0
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March 3, 2015 3:38pm
Lucia Maria

Don’t take keys from bad drivers, warns John Key as he attacks Kiwi driving skills

Hmmm… how long until someone doesn’t take the keys off a really bad driver (because John Key said they shouldn’t) and that really bad driver (no matter the nationality) causes a major accident??
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March 3, 2015 3:41pm
kowtow

LM it won’t be JK’s fault.

Here’s another story from todays’ ODT, some idiot must have been testing his air brakes. No write up about slanty eyed tourists here, oh no ,must be a dumb fuck local who thinks his car can take corners automatically, no talk of seizing keys!

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/335012/lucky-escape

As to the latest assault on a tourists’ private property, the idiot vigilante has no right to take the law into his own hands over a parking issue. Go to the story ,look at the photo, yes there’s obstruction but cars could still pass.

That prick should be charged with interfering with a motor vehicle.
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March 3, 2015 3:53pm
hj

A new study shows that emulsifiers, a common food additive, are linked to increases in metabolic syndrome and inflammatory bowel disease.

http://www.treehugger.com/health/emulsifiers-are-wreaking-havoc-our-digestive-tracts.html

That’s a BIG story
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March 3, 2015 3:54pm
cricko

C’mon you piss weak thumb downers. @ 3.23

Mount an argument.
Surely even just one of you can step up.

What a gutless crew.

muslim lovers, democracy haters, Jew haters.

Oh, but of course.
They are waiting for direction from their lecturer from Waikato Uni. to tell them how to think.

These deep thinkers need to be told how their opinion should be influenced by the ‘principles’ of the treaty of waitangi.
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March 3, 2015 3:58pm
thedavincimode

Hic! 😉
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March 3, 2015 4:07pm
thedavincimode

Why stop there lucy? If we’re going to have vigilante traffic cops, why stop at traffic?
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March 3, 2015 4:09pm
cricko

now there we have a typical response from a smart alec weak article “thedavincimode”

Ever heard of playing the ball, not the man ?

You, davincimode are one of those who I challenged to come up with some argument.

You cannot. You are not capable.

And you responded like the vacuous smart alec air head that you are.

Hic! you moron.
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March 3, 2015 4:17pm
Akaroa

Forcibly taking the car keys of another driver is a very, very dangerous thing to do indeed!

I’m no lawyer, but i’d be interested to hear from a lawyer about what the legal position would be if a driver reacted violently – (or should that be DEFENSIVELY?) – when some unknown other motorist leaned into the car and tried to take the keys. Protection of one’s property?

How different is that scenario from one where a person enters another’s property and takes an item away against the wishes of the owner?

I’m waiting to see what happens when – as sure as eggs are eggs – some driver violently takes it to the busybody trying to forcibly remove his car keys.

The proper way to do it? Note the car number, time, place, date and details of the dangerous driving and report it to the Police.
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March 3, 2015 4:18pm
thedavincimode

… make mina double!! Havanutha yershelf! Hic!
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March 3, 2015 4:19pm
Lucia Maria

thedavincimode,

There are already all sorts of vigilantes out there that we hear of from time that are praised by police. Last year, some people took the keys off a very drunk driver and they were praised by police. There are also people that help others who might be in trouble – the most high profile recently was Lucy Knight. Personally, I don’t want to live in society where people feel the only thing they can do is wait for someone in authority when something is happening whereby it is possible for an individual to do something sooner.

Kowtow,

Depends on the speed limit of the road as to whether or not it was safe to pass. The motorists involved certainly didn’t think it was safe.
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March 3, 2015 4:20pm
cricko

Typically.
an airhead like thedavincimode reveals just how piss weak he realy is.

All he has is question after question posing as an argument.

See his piss weak response to lucy @ 4.09 above.

I wouldn’t comment upon the merit or otherwise of lucys opinion.

But we can all rightly hold thedavincimode in derision when his only rebuttal is just to ask question after question.

Posing as an argument.

How weak is that ?
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March 3, 2015 4:22pm
thedavincimode

lucy

I take your point that there are extremes when it is entirely appropriate to act, but the signs are there that some individuals will take it upon themselves to operate on a free licence that they will extend to the commonplace. This last reported incident is more consistent with an expression of road range than protecting life and limb.
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