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Manolo

The beauty of multiculturalism: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11488480/Watch-Mob-launches-anti-Semitic-attack-on-Stamford-Hill-synagogue.html
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March 23, 2015 8:03am
publicwatchdog

What was the ethnicity of those who attacked this synagogue?

It was a disgraceful attack.

However – who the ‘mob’ was – was not identified, apart from being ‘drunken’ and ‘anti-social’?

Penny Bright
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March 23, 2015 8:15am
mandk

Is it any wonder that kids are badly behaved, when their parents go running to the courts because they are not prepared to accept authority.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/67473960/st-bedes-college-parents-take-school-to-court

Didn’t a minster of the Crown recently get a conviction for breaching airport security?

I really hope the Court sends the parents away with a flea in their ear.
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March 23, 2015 8:16am
Pete George

Gutless politicians keep avoiding the issue of euthanasia.

A prominent Wellington lawyer is looking to set a legal precedent by asking the High Court to allow her to die on her own terms.

Lecretia Seales, 41, a public law specialist, is dying of an inoperable brain tumour and is petitioning to uphold her right to die at the time of her choosing.

But the parties keep ducking and hiding from dealing with this. “Not a priority” for Bill English and Andrew Little, and while Greens talk the talk they run in the other direction from actuall doing anything about it.

Gutless Government and Parliament avoiding euthanasia issue

I wonder if there are any doctors who would be prepared to assist Lecretia Seales and openly defy the law, and expose the inaction of Parliament?
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March 23, 2015 8:20am
Left Right and Centre

A few days back I was in bed listening semi-suicidally to anything with a voice (just another day ending in ‘Y’) and I heard on National Radio some hoity-toity ‘very concerned, very serious’ sounding nerd types voicing opinions, in their stiff upper lip style, their deep distress that NZ judges are not having their Maori heritage counted or recorded properly . . .

If you’re a judge – what’s your ethnic identity got to do with it ? As long as they know their stuff and know what a courtroom is and why all the folks stand when they come in – what’s the problem ?
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March 23, 2015 8:20am
rightoverlabour

I am against drink driving but in this case I think the police are a bunch of (insert suitable derogatory term here)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/west-coast/67457207/Tourist-fined-for-Wildfoods-drink-driving

For Effs sake she moved the camper van 30 effing metres. Once again the police are trying hard to gain the total disrespect of the public. Nazi arseholes in this case.
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March 23, 2015 8:24am
publicwatchdog

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So the GCSB was used to spy on rivals for National Government Minister for Trade, Tim Groser’s WTO leadership bid?

What is good and decent (let alone lawful) about THAT?

No surprises when the Head of the GCSB Prime Minister John Key, was an ex-Wall Street banker, bringing with him, in my opinion, his ‘Wall Street’ ways?

How is this a proper way to run our country – New Zealand?

‘Perceived’ to be the SECOND ‘least corrupt country in the world’ (according to the 2014 Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’) ?

Does this sort of action, which must have been endorsed at the highest level, make YOU proud to be a New Zealander?

I for one, am disgusted.

Penny Bright
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March 23, 2015 8:31am
MCos

I looked at a few of the reports of the synagogue attack and none of them mentioned the religion or political affiliation of the mob so it’s safe to say they were not Muslims or Ukip or some other easily identifiable minority. Probably a bunch of nominal Christians who distain anyone different to themselves.
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March 23, 2015 8:35am
Inandout

Left Right and Centre: Avoid National Radio like the plague; it has been established that tuning in to that source is harmful to brain tissue.
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March 23, 2015 8:36am
Inandout

Penny, Tim Groser is a born again Muslim, so just watch your language or John Minto will be in touch.
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March 23, 2015 8:39am
Nukuleka

More conjecture from Hager and Fisher- and endorsed here by none other than Penny- that the GCSB has been used wilfully as a tool by John Key to further his aims for NZ domination of the world- this time through the WTO. Dear oh dear. And involving that nice Muslim man Tim Groser, nonetheless.

Nothing from Hager and Fisher, based upon stolen material and filtered through their distorted lenses, can be taken at face value. To be treated with utmost disdain.
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March 23, 2015 8:40am
peterwn

mandk – I think there is an aspect that has not occurred to the boys’ parents and their lawyers. Aviation Security most probably did not take formal action following an undertaking from the school that it would deal with the matter. This is similar to the Mebourne schoolboys caught shoplifting in Queenstown while on a skiing trip. The school and teachers accompanying the pupils dealt with the matter quite appropriately that the Queenstown police took no further action.

I suspect the injunction will be granted on an interim basis because there would be insufficient time to argue and decide it, and once granted any further legal action by either side would seem to be futile. If the injunction succeeds, then Aviation Security should proceed with prosecutions for breach of airport security.
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March 23, 2015 8:40am
EAD

Rent-a-mob of totalitarian ideologues attack Nigel Farage while he is out for lunch at the pub, force is children to flee in terror, surround his car then jump on his bonnet.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nigel-farage/11488530/Nigel-Farage-brands-pub-invaders-scum-as-protesters-jump-on-his-car-bonnet.html

We are heading into very dark days. First it starts with the censoring of unacceptable thoughts of which the likes of Devoy, backed by State apparatus were busy censoring over the weekend whilst we also have the MSM busily sensationalising mere word crimes into crimes of the century: http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/67473848/david-pocock-claims-homophobic-slurs-in-waratahs-win then eventually descends into violence and intimidation.

I hope people who are normally apathetic about politics are starting to realise we have a fight for civilisation on our hands. It is no longer “left” vs. “right”, it is “right” vs. “wrong” or liberty vs. tyranny.

All across the Western World, the place where our demolished liberty once stood is being cleared of all traces, and rolled flat. In such conditions, if we don’t fight back, we merely await the construction of the new totalitarian state in which our children will have to live.

“The Fascists of the future will be the anti-fascists.” – Winston Churchill
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March 23, 2015 8:47am
Fletch

While Obama tries to do a deal with Iran, Iran’s supreme leader agrees with crowds chanting ‘Death To America!’

Just two days after President Barack Obama urged the Iranian people to take advantage of an “historic opportunity” to resolve the nuclear issue, an Iranian crowd on Saturday chanted “Death to America” – and the country’s Supreme Leader agreed.

Khamenei, who has the last word on all matters of state, reiterated in his speech that Tehran would not be pressured into giving in to Western demands in the negotiations with major powers.

Khamenei denounced the sanctions and what he described as the “arrogant” Western powers, blaming them and regional players for the halving of oil prices since last June, which has further squeezed Iran’s economy.

At that point, according to Reuters, a man in the audience shouted “Death to America”, to which the Supreme Leader responded, “Of course yes, death to America, because America is the original source of this pressure. They insist on putting pressure on our dear people’s economy. What is their goal? Their goal is to put the people against the system.”

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/192962#.VQ46DlVg8rk

Wouldn’t you have to be a complete idiot to give nuclear power to these people to ley them develop a bomb?
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March 23, 2015 8:50am
Inandout

EAD: The Left in the UK are in desperation mode, as any swing to the Right will see their years of planting progressives in powerful positions coming to an end. I can forsee a new age of ‘Thatcherism’, because your average UK voter still has the numbers over the immigrant lovers, and this may be their last chance to turn back the tide.
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March 23, 2015 8:50am
mandk

You’re quite right EAD.
I tend to find that the most intolerant people are those who regard themselves as liberal.
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March 23, 2015 8:50am
rightoverlabour

Peterwyn and mandk Another aspect is what would have happened if the boys were seriously injured doing their prank? There have been serious injuries involving conveyor systems in the past. Then the parents would probably be suing the school for not looking after their precious off spring.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2425260/Five-month-old-baby-dies-horrific-accident-conveyor-belt-Spanish-airport.html

https://www.osha.gov/pls/imis/AccidentSearch.search?acc_keyword=%22Baggage%20Conveyor%22&keyword_list=on
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March 23, 2015 8:52am
Fletch

The U.S pulls its remaining forces from Yemen due to deteriorating security situation.

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/21/politics/yemen-unrest/index.html

In response, Obama goes golfing.

http://therightscoop.com/u-s-forces-evacuate-from-yemen-obama-goes-golfing/
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March 23, 2015 8:54am
waikatosinger

I looked at a few of the reports of the synagogue attack and none of them mentioned the religion or political affiliation of the mob so it’s safe to say they were not Muslims or Ukip or some other easily identifiable minority.

You have touching faith in the media. To me that merely indicates that the nature of the mob was too politically incorrect to mention.
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March 23, 2015 8:55am
EAD

@ In and out

The reason the the IL liberals don’t like Farage can be best summed up by the following Orwell quote: – “The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.”

Most people can do arithmetic, but when you point out the obvious fact that an immigrant population with a high birthrate will eventually outnumber an indigenous population with a low birthrate, they are unwilling to accept it.

The problem is that the choice is either to have a future where our grandchildren are a minority in their own country or to deal with it now and endure the inevitable riots and deaths that will result from a program of repatriation – neither is pleasant so most people prefer to bury their heads in the sand.

We like to think of ourselves as a courageous people, but we aren’t. If the people in the UK don’t have the courage to get behind Farage this May, then they deserve everything coming their way. I seriously think this will be the last free election in the UK. My biggest fear is that in the most part we’d rather ignore the problem and let our grandchildren pay the price.

We need to support the likes of Farage and keep speaking up about what is going on rather than be forced into Totalitarian PC newsspeak.

“Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious.” – George Orwell
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March 23, 2015 8:57am
Fletch

According to a story, ISIS have hacked the U.D DOD server and posted the names and addresses of 100 military personnel on their website.

The military is warning about 100 service members about an online threat by a group purportedly affiliated with ISIS that has posted their alleged personal details and called on sympathizers to take violent action against them.

U.S. officials say the military services are notifying the families of the individuals named on the list.

On Saturday, a previously unknown group identifying itself as the “Islamic State Hacking Division” posted on a website the names, photos and home addresses of 100 American service members it said were involved in the U.S. airstrike campaign against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.

It said it did so to enable lone wolf sympathizers to kill those named on the list.

U.S. officials said they were aware of the list and were looking into it.

“I can’t confirm the validity of the information, but we are looking into it,” a Defense Department spokesperson said. “The safety of our service members is always a concern.”

A law enforcement official told ABC News that the FBI is aware of the post and “monitoring” the situation.

Defense officials said the military services were contacting the families of the individuals included on the list.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/purported-isis-group-posts-personal-details-100-us/story?id=29811503
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March 23, 2015 9:01am
Ed Snack

I see that the US has completely evacuated all personnel from Yemen with the withdrawal of around 100 special forces troops being the last out. How can this be, just 6 months ago one Barack Obama was on TV pronouncing that Yemen was a success in the fight against terrorism. Did those foolish Yemeni’s not get the message that the “Won” had spoken ?

I wonder why the MSM won’t be juxtapositioning Obama’s “success” speech with this announcement, perhaps it is old news and not worth mentioning. Oh, and Assad in Syria suspected of using chemical weapons on civilians, I guess that red-line must have blown away in the wind again, I guess it must be like that in sandy places. So I suppose the last thing that needs to be done to cement Obama’s place as the great peacemaker and stunning diplomat is to conclude an agreement with Iran that leaves them free to develop nuclear weapons. They’ll promise not to of course, but Taqiyya and all that…and it will eventually solve Barack’s problem with Netanyahu, and Israel.

Aren’t we lucky to have had such an absolute genius at the helm in such difficult times.
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March 23, 2015 9:03am
rightoverlabour

@EAD Judging by the downticks we have the very problem you describe right here amongst us. No tolerance for any view except our own. Mob tyranny and eff the rule of law (specially Western based democracy). And the most intolerant are the left as evidenced by the totalitarian regimes since 1922 and that lovely man Stalin. (although the ragheads are doing a good job of making him look positively benign).
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March 23, 2015 9:04am
rightoverlabour

Shit downticked already! Lets see how many downticks this gets…

“Have a lovely day everybody”
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March 23, 2015 9:12am
kowtow

Need proof that uni academics are nothing but a bunch of hypocritical cultural marxists.

Kowtow notes that the university grounds are full of car parks reserved for presumably the same people who penned this divestment call.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/336992/pressure-divest-fossil-fuels
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March 23, 2015 9:15am
dime

Sounds like this school principal is an asshole. The sort who thinks anyone outside of his small little world gives a flying fuck about how two boys look when being.. boys. i dont even know where his shit hole of a school is.

They jumped on the carousel at the airport.. ohh such a big deal. no one here has ever done that (usually drunk out of their minds). Its entertaining for everyone.

The school obviously feels the need to punish them (cause dealing with aviation security and the cops isnt enough).

Is it really fair to kick them out of the biggest event of the year? These kids get up at 5am everyday to practice. they work their asses off. for most rowers, it becomes their life. not to mention how much it costs the parents.

The school couldn’t nail them when they got home? detention for a week or two?

Whats the life lesson the school is trying to teach? work your ass off, commit to something, do your best but if you make one tiny mistake, it all gets taken away from you.

real life is rarely like that.

unfortunately the kids will now learn that mummy and daddy can get them out of almost anything.

either result is not a good one for the development of a couple of kids.

Dime hopes the parents win. Some teachers are just nasty little assholes.
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March 23, 2015 9:17am
kowtow

“Probably a bunch of nominal Christians who distain anyone different to themselves.”

Bollocks.
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March 23, 2015 9:17am
Ross Nixon

RIP Lee Kuan Yew, first Prime Minister of Singapore, aged 91. By all accounts one of the greatest Prime Ministers ever.
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March 23, 2015 9:25am
EAD

@rightoverlabour

I tend not to worry too much about downticks. They will either be the leftist totalitarians on the blog who don’t want non-conforming thoughts to be expressed (look at the hounding Redbaiter got from a couple of individuals) or people who support the National Party unconditionally.

I suspect the part of my post that attracted their downticking ire was the following: It is no longer “left” vs. “right”, it is “right” vs. “wrong” or liberty vs. tyranny.

People still stuck in the “right” vs. “left” narrative will never understand what is going on all across the Western World. It is why a well argued attack against Notional from the right will get roughly 50/50 up vs. downticks while if your criticism is against the less specific “State” or “Bureaucrats” your likely to get 95% up vs. downticks.
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March 23, 2015 9:27am
kiwiwill

@dime

They didn’t just jump on the conveyor belt, they rode it through to the restricted baggage area. I’d tend to agree with you about teachers being over the top but in this instance I back the school 100%.
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March 23, 2015 9:32am
calendar girl

waikatosinger @ 8:55am –

“You have touching faith in the media. To me that merely indicates that the nature of the mob was too politically incorrect to mention.”

Good observation, waikato. A similar semi-silence occurred in the British media yesterday when an ‘ethnic minority’ Conservative candidate for a marginal seat in the forthcoming General Election, Afzal Amin, was exposed publicly for trying to set up a bogus protest march by the right-wing English Defence League against a proposed new mosque in his Midlands electorate. His plan, which was revealed to the media by the EDL itself, was to gain public favour from the EDL acknowledging him publicly as having persuaded them to abandon their protest march: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3005897/Fall-Princes-Windsor-Tutor-Tory-candidate-rose-posed-PM-Osborne-Welby-claimed-taught-Wills-Harry.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

Of the half-dozen major UK media outlets that I have looked at, only the “The Daily Mail” – which broke the story, and which tends to have its own political agendae – was prepared to describe Mr Amin as a Muslim.
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March 23, 2015 9:38am
Manolo

Good on this bloke: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3006560/Nigel-Farage-brands-anti-Ukip-protesters-scum-invaded-pub-having-family-lunch-leaving-children-terrified.html
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March 23, 2015 9:46am
dime

EAD – i dont down tick you. i just dont bother reading you anymore. every comment is the same.

DPF could write a post about how he had a stunning breakfast at a cafe and you would bring it back to some rant about banking blah blah

if you want to convert people, slowly slowly is a better way than “cant you see? its the banks!! rant rant”. you end up in the same zone as penny.
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March 23, 2015 9:47am
Nukuleka

Pete George. I suggest that you volunteer to give Lecretia Seales the fatal injection she requests. Let’s see how well your conscience can deal with having murdered someone.
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March 23, 2015 9:47am
Kimbo

@ Left Right and Centre

… NZ judges are not having their Maori heritage counted or recorded properly . . .

If you’re a judge – what’s your ethnic identity got to do with it ? As long as they know their stuff and know what a courtroom is and why all the folks stand when they come in – what’s the problem ?

Umm, as a fully-paid up member of Ngati Scottish originating from the People’s Republic of Otago I don’t purport to be an expert, but here is what I understand the reasons as: –

1. It is not actually a matter of “ethnicity” (a non-Maori concept). Instead it is a matter of whakapapa/genealogy. The judge, just like any other member of the iwi, is not an “individual” in the way Pakeha culture would automatically assume. He “belongs” to the iwi. What ever mana/ability/gifting/charisma he has to dispense justice/do his task well is as a result of that whakapapa. “What do you have that was not given to you”. Is the same with any task – be it weaving flax, leadership, playing sport, whatever that reflects well on the person and is for the benefit of those with whom one shares whakapapa (and beyond).

2. Therefore his iwi should be properly acknowledged, in the same way we are careful about assigning titles and other descriptors such as “Sir”, “Your Honour”, “Mr”, “Mrs” and “LLB”.

3. As Maori is equal with any Pakeha perspectives, it therefore deserves to be reflected in our public institutions. It doesn’t mean that he favours the members of his iwi. Instead, the two cultures sit side-by-side, and the necessary imperatives are honoured as and when they must. Including dispensing justice in an impartial fashion, yet honouring the ancestors/tipuna who are in continuity with the judge’s vocation.

Now, as I don’t make the rules, merely report them, and as there are so many fans of bi and multi-culturalism in these parts, I will now retire to my bunker…
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March 23, 2015 9:48am
Lucia Maria

Russia threatens to aim nuclear missiles at Denmark ships if it joins NATO shield

Meanwhile, on RT (aka Russia Today): ‘US threats’ either typical bullying or Berlin’s excuse not to give Snowden asylum:

RT: Isn’t it up to Germany to decide as a sovereign country who it does and does not let into its own country. Why does US think it can threaten Berlin like this?

Annie Machon: Well the US thinks it can threaten both countries. In fact they have a track record of doing this already with the UK, in trying to suppress evidence of torture in a high court case in the UK a few years ago. So if it is true, it’s a perfectly standard tactic that the US uses to diplomatically bully the countries that they want to break and bring to their heel.

So, outrage over “bullying” of Germany, yet RT is strangely quiet over the more dangerous bullying of Denmark by Russia where Russian threatens to nuke Danish ships if Denmark joins the NATO shield.
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March 23, 2015 9:48am
Manolo

stephieboy would be proud of this piece of advise: http://nypost.com/2015/03/22/israel-beware-of-obama/

His visceral dislike for Netanyahu is genuine, but also serves as a convenient fig leaf for his visceral dislike of Israel. The fact that it’s personal with Netanyahu doesn’t explain six years of trying to bully Israelis into signing a suicide pact with Muslims bent on destroying them. Netanyahu’s only sin is that he puts his nation’s security first and refuses to knuckle under to Obama’s endless demands for unilateral concessions.
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March 23, 2015 9:49am
SGA

Manolo (15,237 comments) says:
March 23rd, 2015 at 8:03 am

The beauty of multiculturalism: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11488480/Watch-Mob-launches-anti-Semitic-attack-on-Stamford-Hill-synagogue.html

Not this time it seems (I’m assuming that your multiculturalism comment wasn’t directed at the Jews themselves?)

Six people have been arrested after a group forced its way into a synagogue in what police have described as an “anti-Semitic” incident. Police said the drunk men had just left a nearby party and tried to get into the synagogue in Stamford Hill, north London, in the early hours of Sunday.
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“At this early stage, there is no suggestion that this was a far-right or extremist attack but rather the completely unacceptable actions of a drunken group.”
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-32007767
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March 23, 2015 9:50am
MCos

Who do you think the people were that attacked the synagogue, waikatosinger, seeing as you don’t trust any of the myriad reports that apparently don’t, in your opinion, have the balls to report that they were any more than a bunch of drunks?
To help you there is a video of the incident on Brietbart London, a site not known for mincing words, but who also report the fracas in the same fashion as all the rest.
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March 23, 2015 9:53am
dime

lots of downticks for Dime :O

no one commenting though.

So i pose this question – do you agree with banning the kids from the biggest event in their life? all cause they jumped on the baggage carousel for a 2 min ride?

If you were the all powerful teacher, thats what you would have done?
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March 23, 2015 9:56am
rightoverlabour

Re the St Bedes debacle

I am in two minds about this – Agree – sick of parents suing schools.
Not sure if they should have been suspended from the trip. Make them do the cleaning of the toilets or washing of dishes or some other punishment. What they did was stupid and reckless. Lots of kids do stupid reckless things. Its because they are kids. However, how many sporting greats do stupid reckless things? We comment on these things with the wisdom of age an maturity, things these boys have neither of. They could be the best competitors and future olympic material. Could our zeal for obeying rules and regulations possibly destroy a career? Let them compete and let the airport security punish them for those breaches in time. Parents would find it a lot harder to sue Airport security..
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March 23, 2015 9:57am
Griff

mandk (1,177 comments) says:
March 23rd, 2015 at 8:50 am

You’re quite right EAD.
I tend to find that the most intolerant people are those who regard themselves as liberal.

This is a liberal blog noddy.
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March 23, 2015 9:58am
Jack5

Lee Kuan Yew has died. A remarkable man.

Singapore was a backwards mess when he took over, with slums and hardship for all. He set it on the road to becoming a prosperous highly educated, modern city-state.
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March 23, 2015 10:01am
Manolo

Hungry nuns! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/the-pope/11488383/They-are-going-to-eat-him-nuns-stun-Pope.html
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March 23, 2015 10:01am
mandk

Griff: “This is a liberal blog noddy”

I think you just proved my point.
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March 23, 2015 10:07am
Manolo

What’s going on? http://www.rugby365.com/article/65142-tahs-accused-of-homophobic-slurs
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March 23, 2015 10:10am
rightoverlabour

Dime – I am a teacher and I would have crapped on them and put them on toilet duty for the trip. I would have tried hard to keep this out of the media. I would have spoken to airport security about what they intended doing and whether it needed to go further. However I would have had to contact the principal, and this is where I believe the sanction has come from. ( I have not read every detail of the story). As I said in my previous comment, I am in two minds over this.
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March 23, 2015 10:10am
doggone7

Re the St Bedes debacle:

If they’d been boys in the rugby league team of a South Auckland High School would there have been calls for lifetime bans, cries for more than the minimum of jail sentences and the school sports teams to be ousted from competitions?
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March 23, 2015 10:13am
cha

Aren’t we lucky to have had such an absolute genius at the helm in such difficult times.

Yeah, the US is run a subversive minority.
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March 23, 2015 10:14am
EAD

but Dime – if you don’t read my posts, how did you reply to my post ? 🙂

just saying…

PS: Perhaps I talk about Finance/Banking/Fiat Currencies alot is because that’s my area of expertise and most importantly, it is THE root cause of just about everyone of our problems from high house prices, big spending governments, cronyism, immigration, debt, inequality and the general decline in morals across the Western World.

If you don’t agree with me, here is Delingpole writing about fiat currency and how it caused the fall of Rome.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100212213/gold-currency-debasement-and-the-fall-of-the-roman-empire/

or how the corruption in economic theory is like the other failed meme of global warming:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100146037/why-money-printing-is-like-global-warming/

or the wonderful Jo Nova talking about how it all starts with the money system we use:
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/03/the-ground-zero-of-global-corruption-it-starts-with-the-currency/#more-20872
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March 23, 2015 10:16am
SGA

It is the second consecutive year members of the St Bede’s rowing team have been disciplined for misbehaving at Maadi Cup events.
About eight students, who were competing at Lake Ruataniwha last year, set tennis balls and a road on fire. The boys, aged 15 and 16, doused tennis balls in petrol before lighting them and throwing them.
The students poured out the letters “SBC” in petrol on Tekapo Drive outside where they were staying and then lit it. The letters stand for “St Bede’s Crew”.
They also burnt out the shape of a penis.
Boyle said it was made clear to the team what was expected of them before leaving and he was disappointed the message did not get through to all.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/67473960/st-bedes-college-parents-take-school-to-court

To me, this context makes it a little easier to understand why the school is taking a hard line this year..
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March 23, 2015 10:17am
cha

“At this early stage, there is no suggestion that this was a far-right or extremist attack but rather the completely unacceptable actions of a drunken group.”

False flag!.

A Conservative election candidate was suspended tonight after being accused of trying to choreograph a fake demonstration outside a mosque with the help of former English Defence League leader Tommy Robinson.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/tory-election-candidate-suspended-over-alleged-plot-to-stage-fake-demonstration-outside-mosque-with-former-edl-leader-10125388.html
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March 23, 2015 10:19am
kowtow

Dime

I din’t down tick but I don’t agree with your stand.

The idiots were prt of a school event , on a team, I don’t doubt and in view of the Tekapo incidents they will have been told to be on best behaviour ,they are representing the good name of the school ,what a privelige they are having etc

To throw all that away in order to make dicks of themselves at an airport shows they deserve what’s coming. The school has a duty to correct and punish.

The parents? What a bunch of cashed up , lawyered up wankers, great way to teach these idiots how the real world operates.

Common sense advise to general public. In this day and age a bit of rowdyism ( high spirits) , even humour is never going to work at an airport.

There’s a time and place for most things , but not airports.
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March 23, 2015 10:22am
kowtow

“If they’d been boys in the rugby league team of a South Auckland High School would there have been calls for lifetime bans, cries for more than the minimum of jail sentences and the school sports teams to be ousted from competitions?”

Race baiting rubbish.
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March 23, 2015 10:23am
dime

rightoverlabour – yeah it was the Principals call. what a douche bag
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March 23, 2015 10:23am
dime

EAD – i usually get about 2 lines in every post before i realise its a usual offender.
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March 23, 2015 10:24am
Griff

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March 23, 2015 10:25am
dime

“I don’t doubt and in view of the Tekapo incidents they will have been told to be on best behaviour ,they are representing the good name of the school ,what a privelige they are having etc”

not sure what happened at Tekapo…

they may be representing the school, i wonder if the school covered all the costs?? what if the parents had to chip in a couple of grand? that would give them the right to be pissed.

i think banning them from the competition will be something these kids remember when they are 80.

Dime was got removed from a cricket comp an its one of my most vivid memories of that time.. we are talking 30 years ago.

Dimes crime? a team we were playing didnt have enough players. For some reason an idiot decided that ultra competitive, alpha male dime should swap sides.. lets just say i didnt play to my potential. i actually cost them the game heh and fuck em! id do it again in a heart beat. so i got banned from playing etc.
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March 23, 2015 10:28am
jcuk

Kowtow 10.22… but surely they are being shown how the world works with enthusiastic groups influencing outcomes?
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March 23, 2015 10:38am
rightoverlabour

The point of parents paying and then the kids get dumped is a problem. Will they get a full refund? However I suspect the parents will win this as int is unlikely the court will hear the full case before the event and reinstate them pending the outcome…

The hair fiasco set a precedent in Gibson. My feeling is it is not rowing related so they should compete and be prosecuted subsequently for breach of airport security. That would be a better lesson.
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March 23, 2015 10:39am
Ross12

Dime

While I’ll agree with you re the hard work etc. , these kids were idiots and deserve reprimand. What that is, is up for debate but given SGA’s post above I don’t think the school has gone over board this time. They have to draw a line in the sand given the history of the behaviour.

But I think the parents are totally crazy to go the way they have — the school went to the trouble of getting the kids and parents to sign a code of conduct. Presumably these parents signed it –did they read it ? What do they expect the Courts to say –it is a waste of time having schools do this ?

I believe many schools have these codes of conduct to sign — the fact we have got to this level of “security ” says something has gone wrong along the way.

We criticise parents for sending their kids to school without lunch and say it is poor parenting. But I think the actions these parents are taking is just about as bad from a poor parent point of view.
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March 23, 2015 10:41am
dime

“The hair fiasco set a precedent in Gibson. My feeling is it is not rowing related so they should compete and be prosecuted subsequently for breach of airport security. That would be a better lesson.”

If they had been prosecuted by security, what impact would that have had? would it result in a travel ban to the US etc? maybe airport security were doing a favour..

The hair fiasco? i cant remember if it was a private school or public.. if public then schools have no right imho to make kids get hair cuts.. private school with zero funding?? then youre kinda screwed (Dime would have just changed school).
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March 23, 2015 10:42am
rightoverlabour

Dime Re Gibson Neither Private nor State – Integrated so really messy. Some funding, but not all. Some Independence around Character etc, but not sure about rules around hair. I don’t know what the security breaches would have been filed under, but it is serious stuff to go into unauthorized areas. However, would they have known this when they jumped on the conveyor belt?
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March 23, 2015 10:52am
dime

“However, would they have known this when they jumped on the conveyor belt?”

probably, but they are 16 and bullet proof. they should cop something..
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March 23, 2015 10:57am
publicwatchdog

Regarding the need for a full and comprehensive discussion about the development of the Ports of Auckland – isn’t it high time for a review of the Commerce Act 1986, a cornerstone piece of the 1984 Labour Government Rogernomics reforms, which enshrined competition and the ‘competitive model’?

Whose interests does this ‘competition’ between the Auckland, Tauranga and Whangerei ports most serve?

Doesn’t it just drive down the costs of unloading containers for the benefit of shipping companies?

(Owned by whom?)

But are shipping companies the only ones who use these ports?

No.

Under the ‘co-operative’ rather than the ‘competitive’ model, could ports infrastructure not be developed in a more co-ordinated, planned and cost-effective way, maximising the efficient use of public monies and resources, while protecting the interests of the public, who also want access to the ports, and are affected by how the ports are developed?

Penny Bright
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March 23, 2015 11:01am
SGA

rightoverlabour at 10:52 am

However, would they have known this when they jumped on the conveyor belt?

For heavens sake –
Last year a group of 15- and 16-year-old boys from this school at this event got into trouble for setting tennis balls on fire and throwing them, and burning patterns with petrol in the road outside where they were staying.
The school seems to have made it very clear that they didn’t want any repeat performances this year.
They’ve only got as far as Auckland airport when a 16- and 17-year-old (hmmm… I wonder) decide not only to ride the conveyor belt, but to ride it through the rubber curtains into the restricted section of the airport.
The school chucks the boys off the team.
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March 23, 2015 11:02am
dime

“Last year a group of 15- and 16-year-old boys from this school at this event got into trouble for setting tennis balls on fire and throwing them, and burning patterns with pertol in the road outside where they were staying.”

sounds hilarious.
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March 23, 2015 11:03am
SGA

dime at 11:03 am

“Last year a group of 15- and 16-year-old boys from this school at this event got into trouble for setting tennis balls on fire and throwing them, and burning patterns with pertol in the road outside where they were staying.”
sounds hilarious.

I’m sure the motel owner was in stitches.
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March 23, 2015 11:04am
ngatimozart

My son went to St Bedes in the 1990s and when he misbehaved and got caught, he suffered the consequences. Like my father said to me, I told him that the trick was not to be caught. The school then made clear its expectations of its pupils behaviour. These two kids maybe high spirited, but there are places to do things and as has already been stated here, airports aren’t one of them. The pupils involved should take their punishment and that’s the end of it. They’ve learned their lesson.

But no. What drives these parents – ego? Are they so arrogant to think that their kids are better than other kids? They and their kids signed the code of conducted. They knew what was expected of them. Airport security is something taken very seriously and they should know that. These parents need to pull their heads in and suck it up. I do hope that they lose and that the Court awards costs against them including St Bede’s legal costs.
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March 23, 2015 11:07am
peterwn

dime – I have not downticked you. The real issue here is either Aviation Security or the school (a Catholic integrated secondary school in Christchurch) were going to have to deal with the situation. It is not a matter of power-drunk teachers etc etc etc. The boys’ behaviour needed to be sanctioned by someone within means lawfully available. Prosecution by Aviation Security or expulsion from school would both leave an indelible blot on the boys’ future. So the school chooses a sanction available to it while which is utterly galling and heartbreaking to the boys, it would not permanently disadvantage their schooling or careers. The sanction was even more pertinent as the incident occurred while the boys were travelling to the regatta.

The judge is going to have to grant any interim injunction almost on gut instinct then give reasons later, there being conflicting legal reasons why or why not the injunction should be granted. The judge will be conscious of the ‘Klissers Farmhouse Bakery’ decision, where the Court of Appeal outlined the following ‘tests’ for an interim injunction The Judge must address three questions:

(a) Is there a serious question to be tried?

(b) Does the balance of convenience favour the granting of the interim injunction?

(c) Stepping back, what is the overall justice of the case?

In broad terms, the first question looks at the merits of the underlying case and the second point looks at the relative impact of an interim injunction being granted or declined. The Court then retains a discretion under the third head, including consideration of matters such as the conduct of the plaintiff.

IMO an interim injunction should be declined on this test. The question is not that serious (compared with many other circumstances), the balance of convenience would favour the school (compared with say an expulsion), and there is no significant long term injustice to the boys. The conduct of the plaintiffs (the boys) would not help their case. If the boys were going to be permanently disadvantaged by the school’s action (eg being unable to meet NCEA conditions), then convenience could favour an interim injunction being granted.

The parents are not doing themselves or their sons any favours by seeking an injunction just like when in Tom Brown’s Schooldays, Flashman called his father to the school to try and avert a well deserved punishment. The father backed off when the Headmaster said the situation would reflect extremely badly on the father, who then departed and left his son to his fate (I think I have this right).
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March 23, 2015 11:08am
unaha-closp

Why wasn’t the WTO project in 2013 successful like the UNDP project in 2008?
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March 23, 2015 11:09am
dime

“I’m sure the motel owner was in stitches.”

you were 16 once right?

im not saying those kids shoukd have escaped punishment, but you can see how it happened. they would have had a great night
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March 23, 2015 11:10am
cha

Why wasn’t the WTO project in 2013 successful like the UNDP project in 2008?

Better candidate.

{I’ll get my coat}
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March 23, 2015 11:13am
publicwatchdog

Gosh Kiwibloggers – what would have been the effect on the 2014 NZ General Election – had these latest GCSB revelations come to light beforehand – rather than now?

Did NZ Prime Minister John Key know about the GCSB spying on political rivals to Tim Groser’s WTO leadership bid?

If Prime Minister John Key was the Minister responsible for the GCSB – how could he NOT know?

I do hope some concerned Northland voters give John Key a ‘hammering’ on this issue when he flies back to BEG the disaffected and disappointed (former) National Party members / supporters to vote for political ‘newby’ Mark Osborne?

Yep!

‘Brand Key’, in my opinion, is looking more shonky every day.

Penny Bright
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March 23, 2015 11:17am
ngatimozart

I see that Hagar has spouted off again about NZ security services gathering intelligence on Growers competition for the top job at the WTO. In the Stuff article Hagar admitted that he had no evidence of such yet in the Granny Herald story they said a top secret document existed. So one must presume then that Hagar and his cohorts haven’t seen any documents pertaining to this alleged incident and that it is based on innuendo and over active imaginations. The same old story, never let the truth stand in the way of a story.
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March 23, 2015 11:19am
rightoverlabour

St Bedes – I am not saying don’t punish, but make the punishment fit the crime. Getting dragged through the courts on aviation security breaches is going to make more of an impact than not rowing ( possibly). Don’t punish the rest of the team that have done nothing wrong.

Often schools try to deal with issues in house rather than letting due process be followed. This is usually a dismal failure, especially where the issues are serious. If they had jumped off before going through to the restricted area, would the situation be any different. There are signs saying its dangerous stay off. Kids do a lot of stupid things without thinking about the consequences.

But agree that the parents should not be suing. Its elitist crap.
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March 23, 2015 11:19am
OneTrack

“If you’re a judge – what’s your ethnic identity got to do with it ?”

If you are one of the hard leftists at National Radio, your blood quantum and your sexual orientation is everything.
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March 23, 2015 11:22am
OneTrack

“‘Brand Key’, in my opinion, is looking more shonky every day.”

But not in your considered opinion?
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March 23, 2015 11:23am
OneTrack

“But agree that the parents should not be suing.”

The parents should be charged as vexatious litigants – haven’t the courts got enough crap to waste their time on. How about the school just expel thd toe-rags, they obvioysly don’t like that school anyway. Little Algernon will be much happier at a public school where they will let him do whatever he wants.
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March 23, 2015 11:26am
IGM

Public Dog: Your continued obsession with our popular, clever, and extremely wealthy (earned by his ability) is wearing thin. You as a defaulter, a leech, and sponge, have no credibility to even be abusive of a piece of s..t such as Goff.
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March 23, 2015 11:28am
Lance

Re; the school being taken to court by parents with entitlitis

The result will be the school can’t afford special events that year, the lawyers buy new BMW’s, the kids learn being smart arses and fucking over the people in charge of you is a winning strategy for life going forward.

Twas much easier in my day. A few quick smacks on the arse for being a dick and most likely back to the game. But since that punish option is gone, what else can the school do?
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March 23, 2015 11:30am
rightoverlabour

peterwn One could argue that the potential rowing careers of these boys could be in jeopardy because of non participation in the event, which could be more significant than NCEA exams. There crimes are typical of unthinking teenagers, but society should not be disproportionate in the punishment they meet out to these offenders. I would argue that the arson committed by the earlier students was much more serious. Unintentionally breaching aviation security is not the same as intentionally breaching it. There is nothing unintentional in starting fires with tennis balls.

I would let them row and do all sorts of crappy duties as punishment and let aviation security deal with the breach.
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March 23, 2015 11:31am
rightoverlabour

Lance – you put it much better than I did!
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March 23, 2015 11:33am
Ross12

Well it looks like the parents got their way

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/26765489/st-bedes-students-free-to-row/

I would not blame St Bede’s if they limit future sporting activities involving taking kids on trips away.
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March 23, 2015 11:44am
Komata

ngatimozart

Re: ‘In the Stuff article Hagar admitted that he had no evidence of such…’

Are you surprised at the response received from our resident Key-hater – the individual who is always an advocate for absolute transparency IN EVERYTHING!! (or so we are assured – at length and with high volume). It proves the point admirably that the the left needs absolutely NO reason to besmirch someone, and that even ‘No evidence as such’ matters not one iota. Yet we are supposed to believe them, and they get all horribly ad utterly when they are laughed at. By such actions do we know them.

Transparency? Truth? An oxymoron methinks.
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March 23, 2015 11:47am
Lance

By way of an example
When I was at high school we had a rifle range. (long since removed by the PC brigade)
Everyone knew this was no place to play up when shooting was in session.
Yet the inevitable shit head fired a round up into the trees (possibly by accident, can’t remember)

The kid was straight away given a severe caning. And basically that is where it ended, life carried on.

Now we don’t teach things of this level of responsibility anymore and whats worse neither do the parents.
So the coddled kids finish high school and suddenly have access to powerful cars (120Hp is normal now) and can buy their own guns without having had the framework of correct and sensible behaviour with firearms.
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March 23, 2015 11:47am
wreck1080

I guess signing a school code of conduct means f-all if your parents are rich.

The parents of those boys are scumbag parents.
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March 23, 2015 11:48am
rightoverlabour

IGM Do not engage. Ignoring is far more powerful. I baited yesterday and … hook line and sinker. Most people downtick and move on. Occasionally we skim read the desperate drivel, throw in an obligatory barb and chuckle at the response. A bit like teasing a drowning rat….
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March 23, 2015 11:49am
Komata

But Lance, we MUST protect the children (ignoring the minor detail that children have quite happily ‘got on with life’ for the past X-thousand years).

Helicopter parenting?
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March 23, 2015 11:50am
rightoverlabour

Ross12 Not happy that the parents got the injunction. Now the kids think they are bullet proof. The school could have avoided this by being more pragmatic with their punishment. Hope Aviation security hammer them now.

But I still think that they should be allowed to row.. and clean toilets with tooth brushes. That is fair punishment.
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March 23, 2015 11:56am
Ross12

On thinking about the St Bede’s issue –the parents have opened it up now by going to Court. How will the Aviation Security guys be able to ignore Court action given what happened to Gerry Brownlee ? There is no way they can not take these kids to Court.
Will the parents be happy with that ? They are absolute idiots. You can be sure they will be on Campbell Live saying it was just a teenage prank by their little , over protected “darlings”.
If they avoid going to Court , Penny will definitely have something to get on her high horse about.
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March 23, 2015 11:57am
dime

“Twas much easier in my day. A few quick smacks on the arse for being a dick and most likely back to the game. But since that punish option is gone, what else can the school do?”

yeah awesome, make it legal for teachers to beat kids. the same teachers who most of us detest for being wankers.

thank fuck they got rid of that.
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March 23, 2015 12:01pm
rightoverlabour

Ross12 Do not invoke the “Penny” . We should have a policy similar to that in the Harry Potter books where the name Voldemort could not be spoken and replaced by “He that cannot be named”…. Pity some one can’ t develop a .bat file that just deletes the mad rantings…
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March 23, 2015 12:07pm
peterwn

rightoverlabour – The boys’ repentance after the incident has been completely nullified by the actions of their parents in seeking the injunctions. IMO the judge was wrong, but it was a choice legally available to her. The way should now be wide open for Aviation Security to prosecute them for airport secutity and safety breaches.
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March 23, 2015 12:09pm
oldpark

Surely not Justice Cunnningham. She gave an interim injunction against ST BEDES Rector to stand down two students for breaching security at Auckland Airport. Wasn’t she the same judge who discharged the so called Maori King without conviction, for criminal behaviour. Hope I have got it wrong.
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March 23, 2015 12:14pm
stephieboy

Ed Snack ar 9.03 am,

US evacuating the Yemen ?

Hmm … care to outline the GOPs plan to recapture it and their road map to wage war yet again in the Middle East post 2016 ?

To all the anti multiculturalists ! Would you welcome the prospect of an influx of Jewish refugees from Europe including those with a more distinctive darker African appearennce ?
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March 23, 2015 12:18pm
Lance

Yes Dime, it’s sooooooooooooooooooooo much better now.
Any misdeed results in banning (cause there is no other punishment). Excellent progress.
We are all winning now

Ohh and parents are suing… even better

It’s Nirvana
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March 23, 2015 12:20pm
EAD

Interesting Stephieboy that you bring up African Jews.

They would be the same African Jews that Israel gave sterilisation injections to and regularly deport? http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

Interesting isn’t it – that Jewish leaders in Goyim nations like Miliband, Cameron, Sarkozy, Key etc pursue “anti-racist” and far left policies in Christian nations, Israel on the other hand strictly prohibits.

For example, Israel’s prohibition of mixed marriages between Jews and non-Jews would, if implemented by the British or French government, doubtless would be condemned as “Nazi” by the above.

Israel’s prohibition of same-sex marriage would, if implemented by a Western government, doubtless be condemned as “homophobic” by the MSM.

Israel’s arrest, imprisonment, sterilisation and forced deportation of Africans would, if implemented by a Western government, doubtless would be condemned as “racist” by our Politicians.

Why is this? Why are policies implemented in the Goyim nations the very opposite of what the tribe implements in Israel?

Maybe Barbara Lerner Spectre, Immigration Minister for Sweden might know?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ
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March 23, 2015 12:34pm
rightoverlabour

Lance

Yes Judicious use of the cane by certain individuals probably was better. Unfortunately there were many sadists (still are) in the profession that abused this. There are some cretins at school that only submit to fear and they usually submitted when confronted by the prospect of pain. Thus canning had its place even if used very sparingly. Talk fests have replaced this and now many schools face anarchy. Others have Rich Prick parents armed with lawyers…
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March 23, 2015 12:40pm
dime

lance – all i can see is a dude who used to get beaten and now wants to beat other kids.

state censured beatings arent the answer. cutting back the welfare state will help though.
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