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Chuck Bird

Some recommended reading for John Key below. His extreme liberal attitude has cost him in Northland.

Dear Gay Community: Your Kids Are Hurting

Gay community, I am your daughter. My mom raised me with her same-sex partner back in the ’80s and ’90s. She and my dad were married for a little while. She knew she was gay before they got married, but things were different back then. That’s how I got here. It was complicated as you can imagine. She left him when I was two or three because she wanted a chance to be happy with someone she really loved: a woman.

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I know this is a hard conversation. But we need to talk about it. If anyone can talk about hard things, it’s us. You taught me that.

Heather Barwick was raised by her mother and her mother’s same-sex partner. She is a former gay-marriage advocate turned children’s rights activist. She is a wife and mother of four rambunctious kids.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/17/dear-gay-community-your-kids-are-hurting/
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March 20, 2015 8:05am
Inthisdress

My question is: To what extent did the investigation of the ‘Roast Busters’ case highlight how easy is it is to engage in the raping of an underage person, brag about it publicly and get away scot-free, in this country?
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March 20, 2015 8:08am
Inandout

I am mystified –

What is a stenographer, and who is Iain Lees-Galloway?
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March 20, 2015 8:12am
Inthisdress

Now, another question?
How is it possible to get a ‘down-tick’ for a comment even before the editing facility has finished counting down?
It’s messed up, and suggests that someone out there is supports the idea of getting away with raping underage victims – surely that isn’t an accurate depictation?
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March 20, 2015 8:14am
Komata

Inandout

Re: ‘What is a stenographer, and who is Iain Lees-Galloway?’

A ‘Stenographer’ (unless it is some ‘code’ for other activities unbeknown to me) is defined as ‘One who practices the art of writing in cipher [code \ cryptography’.

I hope this helps, although I have absolutely NO idea as to whom Iain lees -Galloway might be (which may be just as well).
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March 20, 2015 8:22am
JIV

Is there an official term for the “born again Greenies” that keep popping up. Theyre the ones who have been working all their life and now have all the trappings of life but are now wanting to get enraged by any green issue. Although they’ve had the freedom to create their own life, they now want to tell everyone else how to live theres, including Kauri tree sitting, Facebook spamming and general uninformed abuse aginst AGW skeptics.

Is there a name for them?
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March 20, 2015 8:23am
stephieboy

I wonder how long will it take before Ugly Truth, EAD etc will identify the deadly attack on the Tunis Museum as yet another CIA/ Mossad inspired false flag attack .

How long when conspiracy theorists on social media will search out for look a likes and declare the 20 slain Tourists and survivors as crises actors?

Spot e.g badges on security forces that look remarkably similar to a US private security firm and then leap and jump to conclusions ?

The so-called forward momentum of the bullet make it look like they were faked ?

How long before they continue with their brutal assault on our civilised feelings , logical and rational sensibilities ?

et, etc, etc

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/18/eight-people-killed-in-attack-on-tunisia-bardo-museum
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March 20, 2015 8:25am
waikatogirl

Inthisdress, I agree. Smacks of boys club (in that police area). The roast busters just being boys, doing what boys do. NO, this was underage rape, girls too young to have the ability to agree to sex.

These predators were setting out to get girls drunk so they were compliant. This is not minor fun but causes depression and loss of their self-esteem, and the girls may live with that betrayal for the rest of their lives.

Someone in the police needs to take responsibility.
The best thing would be for the police to bring these roast buster arseholes before the court and throw them in jail where they belong.
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March 20, 2015 8:32am
Paulus

Who would want to be a senior Policeman, to spend most days before the Media cameras apologising and being criticised for every and anything, that the Police do, or have done. Thankless task, but that is what many in the media want us to see in the Police. They would be happy to see no Police, SIS and/or GCSB.

There are very many good and even great Policemen (Police women inclusive) in this Country so let us give cheer for a very thankless task. They will be there when and if you want them.
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March 20, 2015 8:33am
Simon

“theyre the ones who have been working all their life and now have all the trappings of life”

Worse are the wankers who make all their money in tax free jurisdictions and then come back here and then praise and promote tax and spend socialism. The worse current example being John Key.
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March 20, 2015 8:37am
Komata

How very, very odd: I give a precise definition of a specific word, and manage to acquire a ‘down tick’ as a result. Perhaps it’s because I don’t know who I. Lees -Galloway is (who is he BTW?).

As I said, very odd; perhaps the ‘down ticker’ might care to explain their actions? (I know. pigs flying et al).
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March 20, 2015 8:38am
MT_Tinman

Komata (1,285 comments) says:
March 20th, 2015 at 8:22 am

II hope this helps, although I have absolutely NO idea as to whom Iain lees -Galloway might be (which may be just as well).

Whom? Or did you mean “what”?
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March 20, 2015 8:39am
Paulus

On the subject of feeding children breakfast and lunch at school
– Why should I be responsible, as a taxpayer, to feed other people’s schoolchildren during school term ?
I understand that the Sanitarium/Fonterra scheme goes remarkably well for breakfast.
I know a low decile school near me is highly supported by the Supermarket across the road from the school also.
I believe that the etnic spread is very varied from recent immigrant children, Islanders and Maori with “Pakeha/Palangi” representing something like 10% of the pupils.
Surely, feeding a child must remain primarily the responsibility of the parents.
What happens after school term finish ?
Why does it appear that obesity is relative to many of these children ?
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March 20, 2015 8:41am
stephieboy

OMG the Conpiracy theorists scum bags are onto it already with false flag allegations at the Tunis Museum,

http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2015/03/false-flag-tunisia-killing-videos-updated-19-killed-and-count-is-rising-video-hostages-still-held-by-gunmen-2984422.html
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March 20, 2015 8:41am
OneTrack

Komata, no I didn’t down tick you, but I don’t think that is what a stenographer is. I think you are describing a cryptographer.

Isn’t a stenographer someone who writes down a record of a conversation or speech?
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March 20, 2015 8:43am
waikatogirl

Paulus: There are very many good and even great Policemen (Police women inclusive) in this Country so let us give cheer for a very thankless task. They will be there when and if you want them

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I support the police, think they do an amazing job dealing with all the trash of society so we don’t have to. 3 cheers for the cops.
However, someone dropped the ball in the roast busters case. Smells of hey, is there really a crime here or just kids happily experimenting. Wrong!!!!
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March 20, 2015 8:44am
cha

Oh dear….

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bj8M6SA0_8&feature=youtu.be&t=18m12s
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March 20, 2015 8:44am
EAD

No Stephieboy – before the blood is even dry, there you go, diverting and deflecting from the real issue in order to attack your catch-all “conspiracy theorists”

I’m a bit different from you, i don’t think that the atomised, multi-racial, multi-historical, multi-lingiuistic, multi-ancestral, multi-religious societies that every single White Christian society is having forced on them without their consent are an improvement over and far more socially cohesive and stable and less conflict prone than traditional mono-racial societies, when all the evidence proves the very opposite is the case. Unlike you, I don’t think “multiculturalism” is ushering in a golden age of inter culture understanding and peace and tolerance and vibrancy when in fact what I observe from all around the world, every single day is examples of the opposite.

Getting rid of strong men in “multicultural” places like Tunisia, Syria, Yugoslavia does not usher in a new age of cuddly warm democracies and all it did was empower islamofascism ably assisted by the useful idiots like yourself.

We in the West however face a bigger danger than islamofascism, we are cursed with cowards and fools for leaders, liars in the MSM, and a dumbed down, naive population of which there are many “Stephieboys” whose wish for peace is so great they are leading us to a war of epic proportions.

And Stephie – what did you make of today’s vibrancy news from Europe:
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/03/19/ak47-assault-rifles-used-in-sweden-pub-attack-death-toll-expected-to-rise/
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March 20, 2015 8:45am
MT_Tinman

Komata I wasn’t the original down-ticker but I may soon be.

If someone doesn’t like what you type, doesn’t like you or simply pushes the wrong button (most of us are doddery old farts) it doesn’t matter – doddery old farts are seldom school children but we do seem to flirt with second childhood at regular intervals 🙂
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March 20, 2015 8:47am
lolitasbrother

JIV [ 8.23] says:
” Is there an official term for the “born again Greenies” that keep popping up. Theyre the ones who have been working all their life and now have all the trappings of life but are now wanting to get enraged by any green issue. Although they’ve had the freedom to create their own life, they now want to tell everyone else how to live theres, including Kauri tree sitting, Facebook spamming and general uninformed abuse aginst AGW skeptics.

Is there a name for them? ”

yes; Cuntliffe
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March 20, 2015 8:49am
G152

It was rumoured that one of the Roast Buster lads was the son of a cop.
The reluctance (in this case) to even interview the perps was amazing.
That the police ignored complaints claiming that none had been made and the
worst that these little crims broadcast their crimes over social media.
But we now have apologies from cops with great assurances.
How about they actually do their job and get those rapists banged up ?
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March 20, 2015 8:51am
OneTrack

“Is there a name for them?”

Sanctimonious prats.
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March 20, 2015 8:52am
cha

what did you make of today’s vibrancy news from Europe:

Fascinating.
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In the modern-era, Scandinavian countries have become known for their sometimes awkward embrace of migrants from the Arab and Muslim world. But the history behind that relationship goes back far further than you might expect.

Consider the case of a ring discovered in a Viking grave in Birka, a historic trading center in what is now Sweden. The woman in the grave died in the 9th century and was discovered around a thousand years later by the famous Swedish archaeologist Hjalmar Stolpe, who spent years excavating the grave sites around Birka.

The ring is unique. Made of silver alloy, it contained a stone with an inscription written in the Kufic Arabic script widely used between the 8th and 10th centuries. “For/to Allah,” the inscription read. It was the only known Viking Age ring with an Arabic inscription to be found in the entire of Scandinavia. Exactly how the woman got the ring wasn’t clear – she was found wearing typical Scandinavian dress, so presumably the ring arrived through trade.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/03/18/why-was-a-9th-century-viking-woman-buried-with-a-ring-that-says-for-allah-on-it/?postshare=2111426710869708
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March 20, 2015 8:55am
OneTrack

How about the police commissioner handling the case personally, instead of just dumping on the people at the coal-face?
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March 20, 2015 8:55am
dime

Herald front page headline:

“Woman stabbed, baby cut out of womb”

Just fucking disgusting. The picture shows cops outside a house. They look like nz cops. shocked Dime clicks through – its in the US.

misleading hacks.
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March 20, 2015 8:57am
gander

Komata (1,286 comments) says:
March 20th, 2015 at 8:38 am
How very, very odd: I give a precise definition of a specific word, and manage to acquire a ‘down tick’ as a result. Perhaps it’s because I don’t know who I. Lees -Galloway is (who is he BTW?).

Your definition of a specific word was inaccurate.

Stenographer. A shorthand writer. (The Shorter Oxford English Dictionary)

Your downtick, though, was not from me. Perhaps it came from Ian Lees-Galloway or one of his stenographers.
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March 20, 2015 8:59am
Komata

One track

Re: ‘Komata, no I didn’t down tick you, but I don’t think that is what a stenographer is. I think you are describing a cryptographer.

Isn’t a stenographer someone who writes down a record of a conversation or speech?’

My initial reaction was along the lines you described (aka that a ‘stenographer’ is now know as a ‘shorthand typist’) BUT a check of the dictionary (1) gave the definition I provided. Evidently the term has changed with time, It seems to be now relegated to the 1930’s-1960’s period and is apaprently linguistically obsolete. It is, of course, no longer used in daily conversation.

Thanks, though for the response.

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(1) Annandale, C., ‘Home Study Dictionary’ (London: Peal Press, 1965), stenographer.
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March 20, 2015 8:59am
stephieboy

EAD, your raging rambling polemic against evil “multiculturalism ” versus the “white mans only” club dies not address the issue how conpiracy theorists lie, twist and distort to create an illusion of false flag attack as at Boston,Sandy Nook , Chatlie Hebdo and now the Tunis Museum it now seems .

Also pointedly callously oblivious to the suffering inflicted!
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March 20, 2015 9:01am
Manolo

So much for openness: http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-despite-hillary-clinton-promise-charity-did-not-192353450.html

NEW YORK (Reuters) – In 2008, Hillary Clinton promised Barack Obama, the president-elect, there would be no mystery about who was giving money to her family’s globe-circling charities. She made a pledge to publish all the donors on an annual basis to ease concerns that as secretary of state she could be vulnerable to accusations of foreign influence.

But in a breach of the pledge, the charity’s flagship health program, which spends more than all of the other foundation initiatives put together, stopped making the annual disclosure in 2010. In response to questions from Reuters, officials at the Clinton Health Access Initiative (CHAI) and the foundation confirmed no complete list of donors to the Clintons’ charities has been published since 2010.
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March 20, 2015 9:02am
Maggy Wassilieff

most of us are doddery old farts

Is this true?

hands up those under 50.
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March 20, 2015 9:06am
EAD

Stephieboy,

it’s obvious you’ve been indoctrinated in critical theory and moral relativism but anyhow I have a couple of questions for you to ponder:

– Why are non-White nations not screaming out for their fair share of racial balkanisation and diversity ?

– Why is it that only the notion that Britishness, Danishness, Icelandicness , Frenchness, Irishness and Europeaness has no biological basis for its existence , and is nothing more than a meaningless ” racist” “evil” sociological fraud and optical illusion, but this rule never applies to any non-White indigenous peoples? Isn’t this a form of selective double standard, discrimination and racism against White people?

– Why are only White people expected to benefit by diversity and becoming disempowered minorities in their own homelands?

– Will becoming the only human group in all of human history to dupe itself into committing unilatteral racial / territorial capitulation and supporting policies that make its own group economically, culturally, politically, territorially and demographically weaker –make us morally superior to all other races?

Surely to commit such an historically unprecedented act of genocidal terrorism against our own people would make us morally inferior to other races?

Will this act of sociopathic charity and pathological altrusim be reciprocated by immigrants when we become the minority, or will they dominate us?
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March 20, 2015 9:15am
dime

“These predators were setting out to get girls drunk so they were compliant.”

:O no guy here has ever intentionally got a chick liquored up.

dont get me wrong, the roastbuster assholes are scumbags. but they didnt force feed the girls alcohol…

its that sort of dangerous thinking that has every other college kid in america scared hes gonna be done for rape.
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March 20, 2015 9:22am
jcuk

Who is Ian Lees-Galloway? The name rings a bell but cannot remember who or what …. doesn’t anybody know? PLEASE! 🙂
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March 20, 2015 9:24am
Dave_1924

@ Komata. I Galloway-Lees is a Labour MP for Palmerston North. The Stenographer referred to by WOBH is a short hand typist for Hansard. Do a search on MP’s name on WOBH to see the connection, as I won’t repeat the rumour….
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March 20, 2015 9:24am
Keeping Stock

gander said

Your downtick, though, was not from me. Perhaps it came from Ian Lees-Galloway or one of his stenographers.

I think the former is more likely than the latter gander. Hell hath no fury like a jilted stenographer, and all that. After all, how do you think the story got out in the first place?
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March 20, 2015 9:26am
dime

kate hawkesby was on ZB this morning (wonder how she got that gig?). first of all Dime dislikes her because she kept her own name after marriage.

she then starting banging on along the lines of “wont someone think of the children?” cause these poor little kids need food blah blah

then her poor bastard of a husband asks her a question but she doesnt answer.. he says “whats going on?” her reply “my daughter has a dress up day at school and half of her costume is missing, i have 3 other parents trying to help me and there are cars driving by”. what a sad attempt to sell us on the fact that her life is hard and busy. get fucked.

Dimes media rants over for the day 😀

oh yeah, her only saving grace – giant rack. but thats it.
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March 20, 2015 9:26am
flipper

Komata et al…

I take it that you are aware of the links between Lees-Galloway and “the stenographer”? No?

The stenographer reference is to the Hansard ladies. Lees Galloway was said to have screwed one and made promises he did not keep, electing to stay with his wife. It has been on WO for months.

BTW…..
Stenographer is a term used mostly in USA/Canada where they operate “shorthand” machines.
In NZ it has almost always been “short-hand/typist”. There was a time when Hansard was taken only in shorthand and then transcribed. Then Hansard reporters brought in a tape to back up their shorthand. Now they present with a pad and pens, but watch it all appear on a computer screen in print. The tape and notebooks are simply a net.

EDIT… since spotted Dave and Keeping above. 🙂
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March 20, 2015 9:29am
Colville

Sheesh guys.
Ian Lees Galloway has had more media exposure in the last 15 minutes on here than in the last 4 years of being in Labour!

Jilted stenographer LOL. What is it with lefties that cant keep their pants on in public buildings?
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March 20, 2015 9:32am
calendar girl

Komata: The word ‘stenographer’ is defined by Oxford Dictionaries Online as:

“The action or process of writing in shorthand and transcribing the shorthand on a typewriter.”

That’s the meaning most of us would expect to find. Your problem may be simply that (as indicated at 8:59) you used a crap, 50-year-old dictionary. Never heard of it myself, and its definition you quoted at 8:22 even contains a spelling error: ‘One who practices…… ‘ should read “One who practises….. “
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March 20, 2015 9:32am
jcuk

I would tend to down tick anyone suggesting strong action against the roast-busters, other than the non-PC caning in moderation, but rather holding the parents of the girls involved and the boys parents responsible for irresponsible lack of child care. Tough I know because children are very devious on occasions but the buck stops with the parents.
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March 20, 2015 9:33am
lolitasbrother

Maggy Wassilieff [ 9.06]

” most of us are doddery old farts ..Is this true? .hands up those under 50.”

[further discussion] , Maggie, my old man had a stroke , and so I took him to hospital.
The Clinician [ to test him ] said how old are you father Scott… he said ‘ I am 45″
I said to the clinician .. yes my father is a famous man, he is ten years younger than me
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March 20, 2015 9:33am
cha

Will this act of sociopathic charity and pathological altrusim be reciprocated by immigrants when we become the minority, or will they dominate us?

Fornication!.

Of all the forces that invaded Britain, only the Anglo-Saxons had a lasting genetic effect, the study showed. Individuals in the study shared almost 30 percent of their DNA with people from what is now Germany, while those in the south and central parts of England shared around 40 percent of their DNA with people from the French region.

http://www.theverge.com/2015/3/18/8252797/uk-genetic-map-reveals-invasions-regional-identity
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March 20, 2015 9:40am
Manolo

The arm struggle goes on: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11482573/Europe-gets-tough-with-Greece.html

Europe’s exasperated creditors have taken an increasingly tough line with Athens as the continent’s leaders assembled in Brussels on Thursday.

Ahead of a meeting of the European Council, Ireland’s Prime Minister Enda Kenny slammed rhetoric from Athens to unleash a wave of jihadists into Europe as “unacceptable.” The Irish premier said the Greek government had to “face up to their responsibilities.”
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March 20, 2015 9:52am
kowtow

dime

Media rant for the day.

Last night on 7 Sharp ( I know, generally don’t watch it but caught a couple of mins) shows Vanuatu devastation, little brown kid in batman outfit smiling , cuts back to studio…….Hoskings says I went to a party at Christmas as a superhero……..

Is it just me or is Hoskings an incredibly narcissistic prick?
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March 20, 2015 9:54am
kowtow

For the multiculturalists out there, you know who you are…….

Sweden pub shooting, you know peaceful ,happy Sweden, 2 dead 10 injured.

It may not be terrorism , but it’s gang related and they’re mostly wogs.
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March 20, 2015 9:56am
Lucia Maria

EAD,

Speaking of Sweden… Sweden Labels Russia Its Biggest Threat

In a news conference on Wednesday, Wilhelm Unge, chief analyst at SAPO, said one-third of Russian envoys in Sweden are used as spies to gather intelligence on political refugees, defense and the economy, the Associated Press reports. Russia represents the biggest intelligence threat to Sweden, followed by Iran and China, said Unge.

“There are hundreds of Russian intelligence officers around Europe and the West. They violate our territory every day,” Unge told reporters during the launch of the report at the SAPO headquarters in Solna, outside of Stockholm.

“We see Russian intelligence operations in Sweden—we can’t interpret this in any other way—as preparation for military operations against Sweden,” said Unge.

And Poland has just arrested a spy passing on classified secrets to the Russians about Poland’s F-16’s : Lotnik szpiegował dla Rosji? O sprawę zapyta dziś speckomisja

Andrei, if you are around, I take back what I said the other day about Putin – it would be better if he hadn’t reappeared. Looks like things are ramping up now for a major war.
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March 20, 2015 10:07am
Ross12

I hope Rupert Murdoch has more success with investment in APN than Gina Rheinhart had with Fairfax. That is, I hope he is in the position to have some success in turning around the NZ Herald back to something like the paper it used to be.

I’m only suggesting it needs more solid journalism and to be become more balanced in the positions it takes. Replacing the editor would be a good start.
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March 20, 2015 10:20am
dime

“Hoskings says I went to a party at Christmas as a superhero……..”

lol hes very caring.

the dudes all over the place. kinda right wing but just totally in love with obama etc
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March 20, 2015 10:28am
EAD

Welcome to Police State USA:

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/u-s-police-are-killing-more-than-all-first-world-police-forces-combined_032015

http://www.infowars.com/feds-preparing-to-invade-texas/
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March 20, 2015 10:29am
Andrei

Looks like things are ramping up now for a major war.

That’s one thing we can agree on Lucia Maria

But it is not Putin, he is trying to stop it or at least delay the catastrophe.

The USA has the biggest military machine the world has ever seen and is at war all over the globe, in case you hadn’t noticed

It is also bankrupt, it owes Russia alone 100s of Billions of Dollars and who knows how much to China.

And for any US politician to even question the amount of resources going into the military is political suicide even though it is obvious they cannot sustain the borrowing they are doing to maintain it and all their wars.

And this is only one of the factors that is bringing us to the brink but a major one

You have to be completely nuts to think Russia wants to invade Poland, what has Poland got that Russia needs?

Nothing
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March 20, 2015 10:35am
Manolo

Hosking is as big an Obama fan as our own Messiah-worshipper, stephieboy. 🙂
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March 20, 2015 10:51am
Keeping Stock

Cameron Slater seems to have quite a dossier about the MP for Palmerston North. Maybe the reason we never hear much about of from IL-G is that his relationship with the Press Gallery is rumoured to be not that flash…

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2014/08/hypocrisy-palmerston-norths-nasty-stenographer-rooter/#more-150584
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March 20, 2015 10:53am
Manolo

Obama is upset and throws a tantrum:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/11484182/White-House-US-to-reevaluate-backing-for-Israel-at-UN.html

The Obama administration made an unprecedented threat to withdraw United States support for Israel at the United Nations on Thursday night after Benjamin Netanyahu cast doubt over his support for a two state solution.

In a sign of how deeply relations between Barack Obama and Mr Netanyahu have now been ruptured, the White House announced it would “re-evaluate” the American veto that has long blocked international efforts to win UN recognition for a two state solution.
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March 20, 2015 10:58am
kowtow

Seriously folks ,how far into the gutter do you want to go bandying about gossip about extra marital relations?

Me, I don’t like Labour much but there has to be a line some where.
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March 20, 2015 10:59am
Jack5

Almost a full-page rant in the print version of the Christchurch Press today, by a British-born Muslim woman of Iranian descent now apparently resident in Christchurch.

She lambasts Western media coverage of Muslims, pulling all sorts of irrelevances such as why do we know about Hedbo but not about the Algerian war of independence, and suggests the rate of murders in Islamic societies is lower than in the West.

And not a whisper about the subservience of women in the Muslim world.

That’s where this woman is needed.

We ain’t gonna change, so perhaps this lady should think where she wants to be.

The publication of this diatribe by the Christchurch Press raises questions about the policies of this newspaper, too. It seems peculiarly friendly towards Islam, and overly tolerant of approaches by local Muslims to print their propaganda.
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March 20, 2015 11:06am
Fletch

Chuck Bird @8:05am

I saw that this morning, too. Good article.
It reminded me, as you, that our Govt never even looked into the effects of gay marriage on children or on adoption when they changed the law. They just approved gay marriage and changed the adoption rules at the same time without giving a second thought to children.

She goes on to say –

It’s not because you’re gay. I love you, so much. It’s because of the nature of the same-sex relationship itself.

Growing up, and even into my 20s, I supported and advocated for gay marriage. It’s only with some time and distance from my childhood that I’m able to reflect on my experiences and recognize the long-term consequences that same-sex parenting had on me. And it’s only now, as I watch my children loving and being loved by their father each day, that I can see the beauty and wisdom in traditional marriage and parenting.

Same-sex marriage and parenting withholds either a mother or father from a child while telling him or her that it doesn’t matter. That it’s all the same. But it’s not. A lot of us, a lot of your kids, are hurting. My father’s absence created a huge hole in me, and I ached every day for a dad. I loved my mom’s partner, but another mom could never have replaced the father I lost.

I grew up surrounded by women who said they didn’t need or want a man. Yet, as a little girl, I so desperately wanted a daddy. It is a strange and confusing thing to walk around with this deep-down unquenchable ache for a father, for a man, in a community that says that men are unnecessary. There were times I felt so angry with my dad for not being there for me, and then times I felt angry with myself for even wanting a father to begin with. There are parts of me that still grieve over that loss today.

I’m not saying that you can’t be good parents. You can. I had one of the best. I’m also not saying that being raised by straight parents means everything will turn out okay. We know there are so many different ways that the family unit can break down and cause kids to suffer: divorce, abandonment, infidelity, abuse, death, etc. But by and large, the best and most successful family structure is one in which kids are being raised by both their mother and father.

She also goes on to ask, why is it OK for children who are victims of divorce or who are adopted to voice their pain around the separation from their parents or the feeling of lack, but not children of same-sex parents? It’s almost a union that dare not be questioned or criticized in any way.

Gay marriage doesn’t just redefine marriage, but also parenting. It promotes and normalizes a family structure that necessarily denies us something precious and foundational. It denies us something we need and long for, while at the same time tells us that we don’t need what we naturally crave. That we will be okay. But we’re not. We’re hurting.

Kids of divorced parents are allowed to say, “Hey, mom and dad, I love you, but the divorce crushed me and has been so hard. It shattered my trust and made me feel like it was my fault. It is so hard living in two different houses.” Kids of adoption are allowed to say, “Hey, adoptive parents, I love you. But this is really hard for me. I suffer because my relationship with my first parents was broken. I’m confused and I miss them even though I’ve never met them.”

But children of same-sex parents haven’t been given the same voice. It’s not just me. There are so many of us. Many of us are too scared to speak up and tell you about our hurt and pain, because for whatever reason it feels like you’re not listening. That you don’t want to hear. If we say we are hurting because we were raised by same-sex parents, we are either ignored or labeled a hater.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/17/dear-gay-community-your-kids-are-hurting/

As per usual though, it is the wants of adults that supersede the needs of children.
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March 20, 2015 11:07am
Manolo

Once a crook…: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/18/monica-crowley-was-hillary-clinton-running-her-own/?page=all
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March 20, 2015 11:07am
kowtow

jack5 Muslim wimmin

Go past the fact it’s written by Fisk and that he claims members of all religions do it. This is what Muslim wimmin and our media need to highlight. No more of this peace, tolerance, jesus is a prophet of islam we love you all crap from the MSM

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/fisk/robert-fisk-the-crimewave-that-shames-the-world-2072201.html
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March 20, 2015 11:18am
Manolo

Oh no, kowtow. It’s all in the name of progressive “multiculturalism”.
It ought to be good, even if it belongs to the 7th century.
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March 20, 2015 11:20am
minus

Winston Peters: Nats covering up Sabin issue
TV3 NEWS reports Peters wants Northland to know about Sabin before polling day and “It will happen, no matter what”

This could become interesting.
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March 20, 2015 11:33am
Manolo

Same old, same Islamic old: http://www.latimes.com/world/afghanistan-pakistan/la-fg-afghan-woman-killed-koran-20150319-story.html

A woman who reportedly burned a copy of the Koran inside a riverside shrine in the Afghan capital was surrounded by an angry crowd, set ablaze and dumped into the chilly waters Thursday evening in a startling act of mob violence.

The parents of the 32-year-old woman, who died in the attack, told authorities her name was Farkhunda and that she suffered from mental illness, said Farid Afzal, head of investigations for Kabul police.
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March 20, 2015 11:34am
stephieboy

Manolo (15,202 comments) says:
March 20th, 2015 at 11:20 am

We live in present day 2015 realties not a bygone Battle of Tours past.. Nor your and kowtows fantasies, bitterness and resentments about MSM !
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March 20, 2015 11:39am
Manolo

I trust you endorse the “progressive” treatment of women by your beloved Islam. Where do you draw the line?
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March 20, 2015 11:41am
stephieboy

Manolo, where have I stated I supported the mistreatment of women under Islam ? I believe its you and kowtow that appear to have hang-ups about feminism and women’s rights here at home and abroad !
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March 20, 2015 11:50am
Ed Snack

Cha, I don’t see that discovery (of the ring) as anything remarkable other than that is very well preserved. The various Scandinavian Viking expeditions raided (and traded) throughout Europe. They certainly conducted significant raids on Spain, both the Atlantic and Mediterranean coasts; the trade and raid pathways through what is now Russia and the Ukraine via Kiev were also very well used, Kiev was held by Vikings in the 8th century.

At that sort of time Christianity was spreading through Scandinavia although not dominant until later, the first Danish King to convert was, I believe, Harald Gormsson aka Harald Blatand (Bluetooth, whom the close range radio link mechanism is named after) who was king after 958. His son and successor Sven however was not a professed Christian. Just FYI, Sven was the father of Cnut (Canute) and was also the first acknowledged Danish King of England.

So contact of various sorts between Scandinavia and the Muslim world is in no way a surprise unless one is startlingly ignorant of history. That story did seem to me to be a fluff piece with a political background.
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March 20, 2015 11:50am
stephieboy

EAD (2,051 comments) says:
March 20th, 2015 at 10:29 am

Welcome to Police State USA:

More hopeless paranoia !

As I’ve suggested before we’ll worry when the blogger of the Daily Sheeple, Alex Jones, PCR , Ron Paul , Tryler Durden etc are put in shackles and irons and frog marched off to FEMA camps.

Keep us updated in this regard !
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March 20, 2015 11:57am
Dave_1924

@ Minus – if Winston breaches the suppression orders around the Sabin case he should do jail time. He would not only be guilty of breaching the law but also of shameful political opportunism by trying to exploit the situation.

If anyone doesn’t know of the type of offences involved then I would suggets they have been living under a stone with their fingers stuck in their ears yelling la-lalla-la
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March 20, 2015 11:59am
dime

LOL stuff has an article about the possibility of stephen fry replacing clarkson on top gear.

the left just cant handle the thought of a blokey show that isnt pc.

lets get a gay guy in there!
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March 20, 2015 12:02pm
cha

Ed, most probably the Rus’ people. And yeah, fluff, but given EAD’s hysterics perhaps a reminder about the wax and wane of peoples and populations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_expeditions_of_the_Rus%27
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March 20, 2015 12:06pm
cha

heh

deray mckesson ‏@deray

And the white man in cuffs literally runs away. America.

https://twitter.com/deray/status/578557987691896832
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March 20, 2015 12:07pm
Keeping Stock

@ Dave_1924 – It would not surprise me at all if Peters returns to Parliament this week and tries to raise the Sabin case under parliamentary privilege. He has already had several warnings from David Carter for trying to do just that.
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March 20, 2015 12:23pm
cha

.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/mar/20/malcolm-fraser-dies-aged-84
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March 20, 2015 12:38pm
Lucia Maria

Andrei,

You have to be completely nuts to think Russia wants to invade Poland, what has Poland got that Russia needs?

Land, influence, people. The last time Russia had control of Poland, Russia was an empire.

This article is somewhat brutal with it’s analysis of Russia’s modus operandi:
Russia’s aggression against Ukraine reflects its failure to become a state

The chance that the RSFSR could become “a real state appeared quite by accident – thanks to the fight within the apparat between Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin and the harsh struggle between the CPSU Central Committee and the KGB,” a fight in which “the Chekists bet on the Russian Federation.”

After the failure of the August coup, he continues, “the RSFSR little by little was transformed into a real state – and this happened in the first instance as a result of the rejection by Russians of their earlier role as oppressors of other peoples.”

This act of “state building, the first such attempt in the history of the Russian people,” unfortunately turned out to be “not very successful.” First, Moscow renewed its fight against the sovereignty of the other peoples of the Federation and then “it shifted to its customary task of being ‘the gatherer of [other] lands.’”
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March 20, 2015 12:40pm
wiseowl

Any National Party MP’s speaking out against changing the flag today?
Against a Wellington Super City?
Against Auckland Super City?
Against massive immigration ?

Where are they all?
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March 20, 2015 12:42pm
Harriet

“….Gay marriage doesn’t just redefine marriage, but also parenting. that necessarily denies us something precious and foundational…..”

The kids are denied what is known as a childhood.

These kids don’t grow up seeing things as they naturally occure; the natural responsibilites of a man or women’s life. Instead they grow up seeing the most important parts of life as a set of choices.

It’s not natural to have 3 or more adults become parents – and where one or more of the biological parents are often strangers. That’s a community project – not a family.

“….It promotes and normalizes a family structure….”

As I said – it’s a community project – a modern day progressive system to house orphans – kids who are traded and housed into a perverted idealogy in the name of tolerance and acceptance by their uncaring and thoughtless biological parents.

And to think that the last gays on earth would change to save mankind – while the current gays play at parenting so as not to.

I totaly reject the entire homosexual thing – because kids are now involved. It’s sick! 😎
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March 20, 2015 12:47pm
Manolo

All Labour lite MP’s obbey Key’s orders. No one will ever dare to challenge the PM on the flag issue. Never.
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March 20, 2015 12:54pm
IGM

Lees-Galloway epitomises a sickly, lazy, leeching, left-leaning, lecherous Labourite. He is a wimp, and a pathetic apology for a man, somewhat in the mould of Cunliffe.
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March 20, 2015 12:55pm
Prince

Great News for Wellingtonians.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/67457743/controversial-kiwi-whistleblower-steve-walsh-calls-time-on-refereeing-career

Safe to return to the stands now.
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March 20, 2015 12:55pm
Colville

Prince.
I always liked Walsh as a ref.
The fact he fucked his life up with booze and had the strength to come back again at the top level impressed me too.
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March 20, 2015 1:02pm
Griff

system to house orphans – kids who are traded and housed into a perverted ideology in the name of tolerance and acceptance.

You mean like the Catholics ~~slave traders~~ Magdalen laundry’s and orphanages.
http://www.thejournal.ie/magdalene-laundry-true-story-margaret-bullen-samantha-long-614350-Sep2012/
The Australian ~~sadist clubs for priestly sodomy~~ orphanages.
http://www.brokenrites.org.au/drupal/node/291
Or the Spanish Catholics ~~stealing baby and selling them~~ maternity wards.
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2112003,00.html
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March 20, 2015 1:09pm
Andrei

Actually Lucia the old Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was partitioned between Russia, Sweden and Germany many centuries ago.

Poland as a sovereign nation only came into existence in 1919, and it is in its current form an occupied territory with thousands of foreign troops stationed on its land, most of them American, there to remind the Polish people who their masters really are
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March 20, 2015 1:11pm
Komata

Harriet

The article about the problems facing ‘same sex’ children is very, very sad, and is part of an emerging ‘problem’ which the ‘gay’ community assured us would never happen.

Personal experience with a family I am associated with, indicates that lesbians (at least – presumably males follow similar patterns), ‘acquire’ children to reassure themselves that they are ‘normal’ – and are just like all the ‘hetro’s around them. They don’t want to be reminded that in fact, by their own deliberate choices, they are anything but ‘normal’ They want to be able to both have their deviant lifestyle AND play at mummy’s and daddy’s ‘just like everyone else’. It makes them feel really good apparently, and assures them that they aren’t ‘different’. It is also noticeable that the unfortunate children in such situations are more like ‘mascots’ to ‘normalcy’ (somewhat like ‘look at my dolly, I LOVE my dolly’), and are not exactly ‘children’ in the sense that we would expect. They are really more analogous to ‘toys’ than actual living human beings. Noticeably, very few lesbian ‘parents’ ever look happy; they seem to be too busy presenting a ‘face of normalcy’ to whomever is looking on, and ensuring that their ‘dollys’ are seen to be ‘normal. It’s ‘Helicopter parenting’ taken to an unbelievable extreme. It’s very, very hard on the children of course..

As the children of these relationships become older, they are at last gaining the courage to speak out. They will face incredible opposition from ‘inside’ of course as they are daring to ‘buck the system’ and tell the realities of life in the supposedly-perfect ‘rainbow’ community.

Hopefully, the ‘non-gay’ world will be there to pick up the pieces; the psychological damage that emerges will be horrific.
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March 20, 2015 1:11pm
IGM

If homosexuals wish to live unnatural and disgusting lives, best they be prepared to accept consequences, one of which should be no contact with impressionable young children. They chose to be deviants, not the poor kids they would indoctrinate with their filthy agendas.
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March 20, 2015 1:12pm
stephieboy

Andrei, you’ll be delighted about old friends Kim Jong Un and Vladimir getting together for Moscow’s WW 2 anniversary day parade,

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/19/asia/russia-kim-jong-un/
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March 20, 2015 1:20pm
Andrei

You make me laugh Stephieboy, all world leaders were invited, as they are every year.

The usual suspects have declined to attend this year, either in person or with their representatives (the usual thing).

Even more peculiar was the 70th anniversary of the Liberation of Auschwitz where Russia was pointedly not invited even though the actual liberation was accomplished by the Red Army mostly but not entirely consisting of Russians.
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March 20, 2015 1:28pm
Manolo

Both dynastic candidates get nailed: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-19/new-hampshire-focus-groups-reveal-possible-problems-for-bush-clinton

In focus groups convened this week in New Hampshire, even likely Democratic primary voters who are ardent Clinton supporters said they are closely following and are turned off by her handling of a controversy over her use of private rather than government e-mail while she served as secretary of state. And several said she should turn over her private e-mail server to a neutral third party for review.

And some underpinnings of Bush’s general election appeal—his family’s legacy of political service, a perceived openness to liberalizing immigration policy and support of Common Core education standards—have led several likely Republican primary voters to conclude they can’t support him, and that there’s probably nothing Bush can do to change their minds.
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March 20, 2015 1:32pm
Griff

As the children of these relationships become older, they are at last gaining the courage to speak out. They will face incredible opposition from ‘inside’ of course as they are daring to ‘buck the system’ and tell the realities of life in the supposedly-perfect ‘Christian’ community.

Hopefully, the ‘secular’ world will be there to pick up the pieces; the psychological damage that emerges will be horrific.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11416412
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March 20, 2015 1:33pm
stephieboy

Andrei, I you see you don’t have problem with the North Korean dictator and the ex KGB Lt Colonel getting into bed together so to speak ?

Well, well , well !
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March 20, 2015 1:35pm
Andrei

Stephieboy, you see nothing controversial with the ~~North Korean dictator~~ King of Saudi Arabia, absolute ruler of the most oppressive nation on the planet and the ~~ex KGB Lt Colonel~~ ex community organizer and leader of so called “free world” getting into bed together so to speak ?

Well, well , well !
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March 20, 2015 1:38pm
stephieboy

Andrei, sorry I forgot to mention that other Islamic Republic that Vladimir seems very found of based In Teheran with oppressive sharia based laws as oppressive as your named Saudi Arabia ,

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/02/23/Putin-Throws-Wrench-Iran-Nuke-Talks

and well,wel,well to you again!
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March 20, 2015 1:45pm
CrazyIvan

RIP Malcolm Fraser, who lead the Liberals to a landslide in 1975. The last survivor of the big three (with Whitlam and Kerr) of one of the big constitutional issues in Aussie. His entire career was tarnished by The Dismissal.
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March 20, 2015 1:47pm
cha

The land of the free my arse.

Among Willingham’s last words in the Texas death chamber before the lethal injection took effect were: “The only statement I want to make is that I am an innocent man – convicted of a crime I did not commit. I have been persecuted for 12 years for something I did not do.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/03/rick-perry-executed-an-innocent-man-after-prosecutor-hid-evidence-in-kids-arson-deaths-texas-bar/
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March 20, 2015 2:08pm
john

‘Naive, greedy’ dairy farmer paroled after jailing on drugs charge

That is the headline and from it you would assume a dairy farmer has once again done something wrong. But no the article then mentions the fact that the man concerned is a,” retired dairy farmer” Then fark me it states that the bloke concerned is in fact a horse breeder.

I know that as a dairy farmer I am a second rate citizen of this country but the link drawn in this headline just goes too far. Why do I have such a distrust of the media?

A retired dairy farmer who financed a commercial drug syndicate has been granted parole.

John Douglas McKenzie, 66, a horse breeder from North Canterbury, loaned $180,000 to a Christchurch meth conspiracy that was eventually shut-down by a police investigation dubbed Operation Granite in June 2010.
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March 20, 2015 2:10pm
Manolo

Chances of getting a Republican as US president are getting more remote by the day.
An interesting article on demographics: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/03/19/what-the-2012-election-could-have-looked-like-with-100-percent-turnout/?tid=pm_politics_pop
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March 20, 2015 2:18pm
stephieboy

Manolo, and explains why Republican voter suppression is high on their agenda ,

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/11/07/voter-suppression/
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March 20, 2015 2:23pm
cha

Conniptions ahoy!.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/obama-floats-idea-mandatory-voting-us-29735579
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March 20, 2015 2:26pm
Manolo

And explains the Messiah’s burning desire of making it compulsory.
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March 20, 2015 2:26pm
Scott Chris

Graphene Is The World’s Most Amazing Material, And Now We Have A Simple Way To Make It

Graphene just might be the world’s most incredible material. A honeycomb-like sheet of pure carbon only one atom thick, it’s one million times thinner than a human hair and yet 200 times stronger than steel. It’s also an excellent conductor of heat and electricity and is stretchable, flexible, transparent, and impermeable.

And now scientists at Caltech in Pasadena, Calif. say they have figured out how to make the stuff on an industrial scale–a breakthrough that could open the floodgates to a seemingly endless array of graphene-based products.

Game-changing products. How about a cell phone you could fold up like a handkerchief and stick in your pocket? Or a giant video screen you could hang on the wall like a sheet? Or how about ultra-fast-charging batteries, or super-efficient see-through solar cells?
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March 20, 2015 2:29pm
Ed Snack

Andrei, trust a Russian sympathizer to be ignorant of Polish history. Poland first came independent around 1025 when the Kingdom of Poland was established. It had varying fortunes and was gradually dismembered by Austria, Prussia, and Russia, a process completed by around 1795. It was reconstituted in 1918 and survived a serious attempt by the Russians to conquer it by crushing the red army in the battle of Warsaw under Pilsudski. It was of course partitioned again by Germany in alliance with the Soviet Union in 1939, then occupied as a puppet state until 1989 or so.

I wouldn’t think any Russian sympathizer would want to stick their neck out on Poland, the Poles have very bitter memories of Russian subjugation and repression over the centuries.

US troops in Poland, hm, they have at least 1000 men and a few tanks and other vehicles as part of training exercises. If they can keep the Poles subjugated with those few men then they’re obviously a hell of a lot better at it than the Soviets who, one should recall, keep hundreds of thousands of men stationed in Poland of decades.
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March 20, 2015 2:29pm
Manolo

Blindness, stupidity, and cultural suicide combined in the name the advancement of multiculturalism: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/03/19/one-nation-under-allah-fury-after-school-recites-pledge-in-arabic/

Students at Pine Bush High School in Pine Bush, New York, knew right away there was something not quite right about the Pledge of Allegiance. That’s because the pledge was being recited in Arabic.

“One nation under Allah,” the student body president announced over the intercom system on Wednesday.
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