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Viking2

In the Pub the other day I was telling that old joke about what do you
do if you see an epileptic having a fit in the bath?
Answer: Throw in your washing….
We were all having a good laugh about this when this big bastard tapped
me on the shoulder and said.
“I don’t find that very funny.

My brother was an epileptic and he died in the bath during one of his fits”.
I said. “Sorry mate. Did he drown”?

“No”. he said. “He choked on a sock”.
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March 17, 2015 6:42pm
nasska

We accept obese Maori jiggling their excess Kentucky Fried at state visitors & various church heads wearing dresses to public occasions without the blinking of an eyelid.

Sikhs in turbans carrying ceremonial plastic cutlery are small beer.
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March 17, 2015 6:42pm
nasska

Sorry I have to be the one to tell you V2 but you’ve squandered your chance of winning the “Politically Correct Comrade of the Year Award” again. 🙂
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March 17, 2015 6:46pm
Lucia Maria

Just a comment on this part of the article Fletch linked to with regards to online shopping.

Mr Key wasn’t sure on exactly how much tax revenue for the Government was being lost by online shopping, but when pushed he signalled it was likely to be more than $200 million a year and rising.

John Key says everyone should pay GST and the current online loophole is unfair to retailers with the traditional brick and mortar stores as they are required to charge GST.

He says those retailers support a lot of jobs in New Zealand.

Retailers are not going to be helped by a GST markup on overseas purchases, because the price differential is not just GST. For example, one of the few items that actually was available in NZ that I have bought over the last several years was a child’s history book. The price in Paper Plus at the time for this book was $80. I think I got it through Amazon for less than NZ$25, which included delivery, ie a $50 saving. If there had been a GST markup on that $30, I still would have bought it, because the price differential would still have been huge.

Also, most of my overseas purchases have been because I could not physically buy the item here. Most of the books I buy are not sold here. I have bought a couple of thousand dollars worth of sterling silver rosary pieces that cannot be bought here. Putting GST on overseas goods is not going to help NZ retailers sell goods they do not stock.

Lastly, my most prolifigate spending is on digital items that are also not sold here. How is putting GST on digital items going to help NZ retailers? Answer, it’s not. It will only help the Government collect more tax.

Ultimately, it’s not the NZ retailer that will gain with this sort of law. The world has changed, online shopping is a reality. NZ’ers now have access to the world market through their computers. The idea that somehow not charging GST on online shopping is hurting NZ retailers is missing the point of what has occurred. Switched on NZ retailers are online and selling to the world rather than whining about lost customers who probably will never buy from them even if the Government changes the GST laws (and somehow manages to do this in coordination with the whole OECD). Rather than whining, they should be taking advantage of the new situation, rather than agitating for a law change that not really benefit them at all.
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March 17, 2015 6:51pm
Lucia Maria

Andrei,

You will all be pleased to learn that Vladimir Vladimirovich has reappeared

I actually am pleased. Or maybe, more like relieved. It’s because I think the alternatives to him are actually worse.
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March 17, 2015 6:55pm
Griff

I have never meet a Sikh who was any thing but polite, friendly, well dressed and honest.
I can not say that for a lot of imports or kiwis.
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March 17, 2015 6:56pm
Lucia Maria

Dammit, I changed my comment once and then ran out out time to adjust the saving from $50 to $55. Now it just looks like I can’t subtract.
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March 17, 2015 6:57pm
nasska

Perfectly understandable Lucia. Actually, I was more concerned at:

….” Most of the books I buy are not sold here.”….

What on Earth are you reading? Should the Censor’s Office be informed? 🙂
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March 17, 2015 7:02pm
cha

The commissioner is an idiot to say “that’s OK too”

If they, as they say they did, took Sir Robert Peel’s principles, founder of the London Metropolitan police force and named father of modern policing, and adapted them to suit our own heritage and identify as a bi-cultural and increasingly multi-cultural society, then it most definitely is okay.

To maintain at all times a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and that the public are the police, the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peelian_Principles#Nine_Principles_of_Policing
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March 17, 2015 7:02pm
Lucia Maria

Nasska,

Catholic books that would fry your eyeballs!

Plus some heavy duty maths and homeschooling stuff. I still need to buy Advanced Mathematics by Saxon, and it’s going to cost me $200 + now with the rising exchange rate. Hopefully I’ll get it soon.
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March 17, 2015 7:08pm
nasska

Okay! I believe you. 🙂
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March 17, 2015 7:09pm
Andrei

Lucia @6:55 – I was just having a bit of fun over the hysterical stories in Western Media including the NZ Herald and Fairfax (Stuff) over the past ten days.

Even TV One News carried a story tonight about Putin’s meeting with the President of Kyrgyzstan along with their more customary fare, a spat between Elton John and two gay Italian dress designers
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March 17, 2015 7:10pm
Lucia Maria

Andrei,

Well, apparently Putin’s disappearance was quite unusual. It did look ominous.
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March 17, 2015 7:15pm
kowtow

Air India Flight 182

“Mourners observed a minute’s silence at the memorial honouring the 329 people killed when a bomb destroyed the plane 25 years ago.

The flight disintegrated in the air on June 23, 1985, and plunged into the Atlantic off the Irish coast.”

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/air-india-crash-remembered-in-ireland-1.873197
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March 17, 2015 7:23pm
Andrei

He wasn’t missing at all Lucia Maria, he cancelled a trip to Kazakhstan and rescheduled a few meetings but he was out and about.

What does looks ominous is Operation ~~Barbarossa~~ er um Atlantic Resolve.

Correct me if I’m wrong but isn’t Eastern Europe a very long way from the Atlantic and even further away from Kansas?
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March 17, 2015 7:24pm
kowtow

I have never meet a Sikh who was any thing but polite, friendly, well dressed and honest.

Indira Gandhi would beg to differ.
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March 17, 2015 7:26pm
SGA

kowtow at 6:34 pm

Not if you’re in a disciplined ,uniformed position such as the police or army. You wear what they tell you to wear.
The commissioner is an idiot to say “that’s OK too”

If you are holding a hot drink or suchlike I suggest you put it down before clicking on this link –
http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/7868324/Air-force-officers-graduate-in-style
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March 17, 2015 7:29pm
Colville

If the Gummint ads GST to online purchases wont this just mean I buy it and ship it to a USA addy and then its sent on?

The Chinese have the right idea. I got 4 hi powered torches, techy shit and expensive.

They turned up with a invoice for about 20% of real value. 🙂
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March 17, 2015 7:31pm
Nostradamus

Andrei:

He wasn’t missing at all Lucia Maria, he cancelled a trip to Kazakhstan and rescheduled a few meetings but he was out and about.

Who are you, Andrei, and what are you doing with Putin’s diary? 🙂
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March 17, 2015 7:33pm
Left Right and Centre

I don’t know if John Key just had a dumb moment, was tired – or simply on some level trying to downplay an unpopular topic –

You’ve got to laugh when he talks about GST on a $1.29 i-tune download saying it will only be a couple of cents. This genius is meant to know his stuff – if he can’t even roughly work out the gist on $1.29 – WOW !! Out of touch with the amount of tax people are really paying John ? Is it just two fucking cents mate ? Really ? Is that why you keep on increasing all the taxes because you don’t know what people are actually paying out of their income ? Shit mate – get it right. Seven years at the top starting to erode basic maths ability ? Money trader, was he ? I’ll wager he didn’t make those mistakes making his millions – and I’ll bet his own stack is tracked right down until the very last dime.

All I see on KB is giving it politicians when they get their numbers wrong, most recently Turei over school lunch poverty stats so why the chosen one should be immune to the same criticism for a similar error I don’t know.
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March 17, 2015 7:41pm
Nostradamus

Lucia Maria:

Plus some heavy duty maths and homeschooling stuff. I still need to buy Advanced Mathematics by Saxon, and it’s going to cost me $200 + now with the rising exchange rate. Hopefully I’ll get it soon.

No need to punish yourself – I’m sure Nasska will have plenty of “light reading” suggestions!
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March 17, 2015 7:41pm
kowtow

SGA , we don’t value our own institutions,history or traditions at all .

Too quick to embrace the “other.”

I have no problem with Sikhs etc serving. But they should wear the uniform. Making exceptions on the grounds of religion is not the NZ way.
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March 17, 2015 7:41pm
Odakyu-sen

Okay, here we go.

How to “fit in” in New Zealand. (Based on years of personal experience.)

Apart from the law-abiding, keep-out-of-trouble, dress neatly and be honest (which is a good start), there’s a little bit more than that to it.

Lose the foreign accent.
Lose the “marker” clothing.
Make an efforts to socialize with other New Zealanders and become members of their sports teams and social clubs.
Avoid membership in clubs and societies that have the name of your ethnicity somewhere in the title.
Have some New Zealand mates.
Watch a bit of NZ TV and read the newspapers a bit, so see what the New Zealanders and talking about.
Follow the big sporting events (or at least know who the teams are).
Don’t send your kids to special schools/ethnic language classes twice a week.
Maybe invite some of your New Zealand mates and their partners to your BBQs.
Don’t insist on arranging your children’s marriages.

The list goes on.

Have I forgotten anything?
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March 17, 2015 7:42pm
Pete George

As the spending of Minister’s time and taxpayers money increases in Northland, and trading volume expands, National’s support keeps shrinking at iPredict.

And the warning signs keep on coming.

I hang out predominantly with conservative Northland voters. And, to the PM’s point, I can attest that more than half of my politically-conservative Northland clients, buddies and buddy-clients simply won’t be voting.

While they can’t stand the thought of voting for either Winnie or for Labour, they do feel (rightly or wrongly) aggrieved that National has taken the Northland vote for granted for way too long and delivered precious-little by way of economic development stimuli for this most economically and socially depressed of all New Zealand provinces.

Some have even expressed a quiet hope that Winnie does take the seat, precisely so that the result can send them a message.

It’s a kind of kamikaze political mentality: they know that Winnie will be a diabolical MP for the region but, oh, what the hell. It’s time the Nats woke up to the fact that we’re worth something up here.

From Could balance of NZ political power hang on a single word?

It’s shaping as a bigger National cock-up than My Albert 2009, and far more embarrassing. Ten bridges too far.
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March 17, 2015 7:51pm
SGA

kowtow at 7:41 pm

SGA , we don’t value our own institutions,history or traditions at all .

Do we have a tradition of not allowing Sikhs to wear a turban in our military forces? Certainly, our historical parent in this regard (i.e., the UK) has traditionally allowed it?
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March 17, 2015 7:52pm
Pete George

“Have I forgotten anything?”

Live your lives as you see fit and don’t be dictated to by others trying to impose their narrow ideals on you.
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March 17, 2015 7:54pm
Left Right and Centre

The Bachelor – NZ. Mmmmm – yeah, nah. Ho hum.

The Bachelor – Prince Harry. **NOW** we’re talking !! I would be glued to that shit like a protester up a tree.
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March 17, 2015 7:56pm
Pete George

@Colville

The Chinese have the right idea. I got 4 hi powered torches, techy shit and expensive.

They turned up with a invoice for about 20% of real value.

So they should put GST up to 20% to compensate for people illegally evading paying their share?
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March 17, 2015 7:57pm
Left Right and Centre

Have I forgotten anything?

Yeah – the queer username 🙂 😉
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March 17, 2015 8:01pm
Viking2

Colville (2,427 comments) says:
March 17th, 2015 at 7:31 pm

If the Gummint ads GST to online purchases wont this just mean I buy it and ship it to a USA addy and then its sent on?

The Chinese have the right idea. I got 4 hi powered torches, techy shit and expensive.

They turned up with a invoice for about 20% of real value. 🙂

Show me your credit card.
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March 17, 2015 8:13pm
Viking2

I saw my mate Charlie this morning, he’s only got one arm bless him.
I shouted. “Where you off to Charlie”? He said.

“I’m off to change a light bulb”.
Well, I just cracked up, couldn’t stop laughing.

I said. “That’s gonna be a bit awkward init”?
“Not really”, He said.

“I still have the receipt, you insensitive bastard”.
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March 17, 2015 8:14pm
Viking2

10 Catholic Priests were killed in a road accident.
At the Pearly Gates, St. Peter says.
If any of you are Paedophiles, you can fuck off down to HELL
Nine of them start to walk away when St Peter calls out.
“And take this deaf bastard with you”.
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March 17, 2015 8:14pm
Viking2

One for u naaska.

The wife said to me last night. “If you turn the bedside lamp off
I’ll take it up the arse”.

Maybe I should have waited for the bulb to cool down first.

8o 8)
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March 17, 2015 8:16pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tb59m3mbc28nfrb/Muslim%2049.jpg?dl=0
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March 17, 2015 8:35pm
Griff

Gee v2 that hpt bulb joke was a winner
you can tell by the down ticks
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March 17, 2015 8:38pm
Odakyu-sen

Yeah – the queer username 🙂 😉

I’m just following Pete George’s advice.
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March 17, 2015 8:41pm
nasska

Live at home?

Wait until your Dad falls asleep on the sofa, change the channel to Gay TV, dot a few tissues around him.

Watch the hilarious reactions from your mother.
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March 17, 2015 8:49pm
Left Right and Centre

Ok – I’m actually watching The Bachelor – and I don’t want to denial-of-service the internet out of existence making ten million jokes about every single dumbarse line they come out with so I’ll try and keep it down a bit . . .

One sheila is saying: I’ll go out on a first date, and I’ll eat (huh ?). I’ll order the ribs (she always orders ribs ?) and a lot of guys are put off by that (because she eats food ?).

No – what would put a kiwi dude off is paying for the ribs and getting no action later.

Whoever the bloke is – he’s meant to have an impossibly ripped fitness model freakishly Rambo part III type physique. This fella is just ok. Not a good look for NZ – that’s all we’ve got ? Of course you’ve got to have the topless posing early on. Who out there wouldn’t bother watching because there was no flesh flashing I don’t know. Seems to be a big selling point of ‘true love’ – being in shape.
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March 17, 2015 8:50pm
Rachael Membery

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=11418622

That must have been a surreal moment
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March 17, 2015 9:28pm
kowtow

Do we have a tradition of not allowing Sikhs to wear a turban in our military forces?

We don’t have a tradition of turbans.
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March 17, 2015 9:33pm
kowtow

And this is all wrong. Another proud British institution down the multiculti drain.Beards and turbans. Religious exceptionalism.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2246410/Sikh-soldier-makes-history-guards-Buckingham-Palace-wearing-turban-instead-traditional-bearskin.html
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March 17, 2015 9:36pm
Rachael Membery

kowtow (9,543 comments) says:

March 17th, 2015 at 9:33 pm

I am pretty sure Gurkhas were allowed to wear their head gear
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March 17, 2015 9:51pm
Griff

We had a tradition of kiddy fiddly Catholic priests kow tow
times change…..
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March 17, 2015 9:51pm
cha

Fletch is usually the one posting Red State links yet he’s ignored this.

Wonder why.
//

http://www.redstate.com/2015/03/15/many-conservatives-blowing-it-ferguson-doj-report/
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March 17, 2015 9:59pm
SGA

kowtow at 9:33 pm

Do we have a tradition of not allowing Sikhs to wear a turban in our military forces? Certainly our historical parent in this regard (i.e., the UK) has traditionally allowed it?

We don’t have a tradition of turbans.

Why? Simply because it’s never come up in NZ before? I genuinely don’t know the answer to that, but I suspect that’s probably the case (happy to be corrected).
Given the overall proud tradition of turbaned Sikh soldiers in British military history in general, I’m really having trouble understanding your problem.
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March 17, 2015 10:18pm
Fletch

cha, I hadn’t seen it, sorry.

I do know that it has been proven that the “hands up, don’t shoot” thing was a lie. So everybody who repeats the gesture in some sort of solidarity with the protestors is perpetuating a lie.

Directly from the 87 page DOJ report –

Witness accounts suggesting that Brown was standing still with his hands raised in an unambiguous signal of surrender when Wilson shot Brown are inconsistent with the physical evidence, are otherwise not credible because of internal inconsistencies, or are not credible because of inconsistencies with other credible evidence. In contrast, Wilson’s account of Brown’s actions, if true, would establish that the shootings were not objectively unreasonable under the relevant Constitutional standards governing an officer’s use of deadly force. Multiple credible witnesses corroborate virtually every material aspect of Wilson’s account and are consistent with the physical evidence.

The Washington Post columnist Jonathan Capehart also wrote the other day that “hands up, don’t shoot” was built on a lie, and admitted he was wrong previously –

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/03/16/lesson-learned-from-the-shooting-of-michael-brown/?postshare=2021426531442808

Many other commentators are saying the same.
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March 17, 2015 10:24pm
Colville

Viking2 @ 8.13

Paypal
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March 17, 2015 10:26pm
Fletch

From the Washington Post article linked in my last post –

In those early hours and early days, there was more unknown than known. But this month, the Justice Department released two must-read investigations connected to the killing of Brown that filled in blanks, corrected the record and brought sunlight to dark places by revealing ugly practices that institutionalized racism and hardship. They have also forced me to deal with two uncomfortable truths: Brown never surrendered with his hands up, and Wilson was justified in shooting Brown.
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March 17, 2015 10:32pm
Manolo

Giving the finger: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/16/greece-yanis-varoufakis-video-middle-finger-germany
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