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Alan Wilkinson

@oliver, so your scientific qualifications are exactly what? And because a question is valid I should give a yes/no answer even if the answer is not known?

I can understand the bastard part but not the competent bit.
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March 14, 2015 12:04pm
Fletch

Coming on the heels of the revelation that 47 Republican Senators sent a letter to Iran undermining President Obama’s ambitions in the country, I can now report to you that a number of Democrats, including the former Speaker, have engaged in the same behavior. They sent a letter to one of our clear adversaries and declared their opposition to the President’s foreign policy in the country and their opposition to American military action. Further, the Democrats sought assurances from the regime separate from the assurances and demands of the President’s Administration.

I an utterly dumbfounded the media has refused to report on this. It might be because history did not begin until the Obama Administration for most reporters these days and this was actually from March 20, 1984. That is the day the Democratic Leader of the House and soon to be Speaker, Jim Wright, and a number of his congressional colleagues, sent a letter to communist leader “Commandante” Daniel Ortega.

The press then too gave the “Dear Commandante” letter writers a pass in a way they refuse to give Republicans a pass.

http://www.redstate.com/2015/03/11/breaking-house-democrats-send-letter-to-u-s-adversary-pledging-opposition-to-the-president/

My, how progressives easily assign history to the memory hole of time. They completely forget it when it comes to themselves.
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March 14, 2015 12:07pm
Oliver Twist

Ha, ha, ha, Allan. Is this I’ll show you mine if you show me yours?

Hypothetical: If Earth is receiving more energy but the measured mean surface temperature is not rising, what might that tell you?

I think the connotation of “bastard” in the quote was different from your feeble insult. Have I upset you?

But if you say you don’t know, why do you say it isn’t happening?
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March 14, 2015 12:12pm
UglyTruth

UT, what a load of bollocks.

No, the argument is sound.

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/3/7146097/zivotofsky-jerusalem-israel-supreme-court-explainer

…the Constitution is widely understood as giving the executive branch the bulk of foreign policy powers. That derives from something called the “sole organ” doctrine, named for a speech that founding father John Marshall gave in 1800, a year before he became the chief justice of the Supreme Court. Marshall said, “The President is the sole organ of the nation in its external relations, and its sole representative with foreign nations.” A 1936 Supreme Court decision, United States v. Curtiss-Wright, ruled that the “sole organ” doctrine grants the president inherent constitutional powers in foreign relations.

Charges for what?

Violation of the Logan Act, like I posted before.
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March 14, 2015 12:13pm
EAD

Captain Bananas,

Where did I refer to the fact that Cohen is Jewish? You are seeing things again 😉

If I said the “Fabian” or the “Bolshevik” or the “Internationalist” or the”Frankfurt School” tribe would that make you happy? 🙂
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March 14, 2015 12:14pm
EAD

Time to start fighting the parasites:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-13/one-americans-rage-spills-over-shut-your-mouth-start-fighting-these-political-parasi

“Imagine the founding fathers looking down on all of this. Hell imagine those who fought on the beaches of Normandy looking down at what America has become….. Imagine those men having to see that Americans no longer have any sense of dignity other than to yell loudly that “we are still great” kind of like that drunk in the corner that wants to fight everyone but can’t seem to find his legs to even stand up from his stool. How incredibly disheartening it would be for those WWII soldiers to see us now.”
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March 14, 2015 12:19pm
Alan Wilkinson

@oliver, happy to show you mine: PhD in physical organic chemistry, post-doc research, 13 years statistical analysis software and adviser.

Your comments show you are just a blowhard. The earth is not receiving more energy due to CO2, it is merely redistributing it differently. The incoming radiation is unchanged.
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March 14, 2015 12:24pm
Fletch

Charges for what?

Violation of the Logan Act, like I posted before.

Nope.

http://www.lawfareblog.com/2015/03/logan-act/

This is just something for progressives to get all lathered up over because they do not like that it happened and have to find some way – any way – to punish it. Doesn’t matter if the violation is true or not.
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March 14, 2015 12:34pm
stephieboy

Fletch, you’ll just love this !

Netanyahu ‘s party trailing in the polls leading up to the Israeli elections ,

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11417139

One thing is for sure its apparent the US Israel lobby is in full control of the House Republicans.!
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March 14, 2015 12:36pm
Fletch

Stephie, not what I read –

Israeli opinion polls on Wednesday showed Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu got a slight boost in popularity after his U.S. speech. A survey published by Channel 10 television indicated Netanyahu’s Likud party would be gaining two seats to 23 compared with what he had a week ago.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/04/netanyahu-popularity_n_6801946.html

His popularity has increased. And this is from the Huffpo – a liberal site.
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March 14, 2015 12:38pm
Scott

Cricko at 12.02pm. Couldn’t agree more about John Barlow. Two insurance men were killed by a gunman on the Terrace. They were shot with a very specific type of gun, a very specific type of gun that John Barlow happened to coincidentally own. John Barlow also visited the insurance men at around the time the murder took place. He was apparently angry about some aspects of their business dealings. So he was there about the time the murders were committed, he had a motive for murder and he owned the same very specific type of gun that was used to commit the murders. He then went and tried to dispose of the gun at a rubbish tip but it was later found by a police search.

But hey this is probably all coincidence?
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March 14, 2015 12:39pm
stigie

This is pathetic…Four potential co-leader Greens were on the Nation this morning and was each to give answers regarding the economy. One of the potential co-leaders said the OCR was currently at 7% and Gareth Hughes who you would have thought would know something about the economy said inflation was running about 2% FFS !~

And these people want to run our country….?
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March 14, 2015 12:40pm
Ross12

You beat me to it stigie. Even Vance was appalled.

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/26662134/green-candidates-lack-financial-nouse/

Maybe the MSM journalists will wake up now !!
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March 14, 2015 12:43pm
stephieboy

Fletch, very disingenuous of you .Your report is dated 4th of March from ” Huffo the liberal site”.Mine the 14th March

Hmmm… !
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March 14, 2015 12:48pm
cha

Stephie, not what I read –

Ten day old polls don’t really mean very much.

Jerusalem (AFP) – Final opinion polls on Friday put Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s rightwing Likud party four seats behind its centre-left rival with four days to go before a general election.

Several polls released Friday — the last day opinion surveys can be released before Tuesday’s vote — showed the Zionist Union pulling further ahead of Likud after an intense campaign.

http://news.yahoo.com/netanyahu-behind-final-polling-day-election-074847784.html
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March 14, 2015 12:53pm
cha

See, we wasn’t being traitorous, we was just having a bit of a laugh.
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Two GOP aides separately described their letter as a “cheeky” reminder of the congressional branch’s prerogatives.

“The administration has no sense of humor when it comes to how weakly they have been handling these negotiations,” said a top GOP Senate aide.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/10/republicans-admit-that-iran-letter-was-a-dumb-idea.html
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March 14, 2015 12:58pm
Gulag1917

Tension on the US Canada border
http://gocanada.about.com/u/ua/faqscrossingtheborde1/Border-Crossing-Horror-Stories-Share-Your-Border-Crossing-Horror-Stories.htm
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March 14, 2015 1:01pm
Oliver Twist

Alan Wilkinson at 12:24 pm. The earth is not receiving more energy due to CO2, it is merely redistributing it differently.

Thank you. Climate change.
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March 14, 2015 1:15pm
Fletch

I notice that the U.S Administration have, in the past, throttled or frozen the number of petitions on whitehouse.gov if it is something they do not agree with, so as not to reach 100,000 petitions – the number at which the president must act on, or comment on.

https://atlasmonitor.wordpress.com/2015/03/02/whitehouse-gov-caught-freezing-vaccine-choice-petition-to-prevent-signatures-from-reaching-100000-threshold/

Disclaimer: As regards the subject of the petition at above link, I am more in favor of vaccinations than against. It is not something I have thought much about.
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March 14, 2015 1:19pm
dime

are we the most negative country around? is it just the media? or are the media fucked because we love negativity?

i just read a few lines of an article on stuff about the cricket. even though we won this douche bag is saying things like “we knew there was nothing on the line, if it were a knock out game, youd wonder if we would have bottled it?”

what a nothing article.

we won, but lets write like it was a fluke and we will probably lose the next one.
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March 14, 2015 1:24pm
Michael

Rowan
Re Grant’s surname being splashed all over the internet. Funny you should say that because Grant has complained to someone about me splashing his name all over the internet. I told that person that Grant was lying, the only website his name has been mentioned on is JFRB, which is a closed website. Mind you , his name might be mentioned tomorrow.
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March 14, 2015 1:27pm
Michael

Rowan,
When you say you believe a murderer is innocent, then that usually means that person is guilty.
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March 14, 2015 1:29pm
Michael

Scott (1,871 comments) says:
March 14th, 2015 at 12:39 pm
Cricko at 12.02pm. Couldn’t agree more about John Barlow. Two insurance men were killed by a gunman on the Terrace. They were shot with a very specific type of gun, a very specific type of gun that John Barlow happened to coincidentally own. John Barlow also visited the insurance men at around the time the murder took place. He was apparently angry about some aspects of their business dealings. So he was there about the time the murders were committed, he had a motive for murder and he owned the same very specific type of gun that was used to commit the murders. He then went and tried to dispose of the gun at a rubbish tip but it was later found by a police search.

But hey this is probably all coincidence?

Scott, I daresay Rowan would try to tell us the police did a botched job and that Barlow is most likely innocent.
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March 14, 2015 1:31pm
Alan Wilkinson

@oliver, the climate is always changing. Keep that thought. It’s about the limit of your science. Bye now.
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March 14, 2015 1:33pm
IGM

See the aspiring co-leaders of Greens do not know the most basic structures of our economy . . . nothing new, like Labour they are typical leeching failures with nothing to offer, other than gorge themselves on taxpayers’ troughs, none have the ability to survive on their own merits.
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March 14, 2015 1:41pm
cricko

The thing about John Barlow that is disgusting,
apart from the two murders he committed
is that he now feels entitled to speak up on suggested changes to our legal system as if he is
some kind of expert.

What an arrogant, full of himself, unrepentant, low piece of shit.

Almost as disgusting as Barlow is are the news agencies that publish his statements, some
even falling over themselves to run to him to seek his comments. Telling us what a lovely family
life he now has and that he considers the 15 years he served as little more than a long business trip.

Sickening.
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March 14, 2015 1:46pm
Reid

As a Christian familiar with charismatic gifts, I can confidently say that there is NO gift for discerning conspiracy theories.

And as Captain Bananas knows full well, I have NEVER claimed there was and I have ALWAYS used discernment in the appropriate sense, even clarifying it yet again just this very morning. And yet this doesn’t stop Captain Bananas from bearing false witness against me. That’s breaking the ninth commandment BTW. And Captain Bananas doesn’t seem to care, because he does it a lot and not just against me. I wonder what his wife thinks about that.
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March 14, 2015 1:51pm
Michael

Oliver Twist (222 comments) says:
March 14th, 2015 at 11:48 am
Even an accountant-type like you flipper must be suspicious of the suicide message left on the computer, in a tense (past) that suggested it was written after the event.

The blood, the prints, the glasses, the bruises, the laundry…

“The judge was very kind to me.”

Specially when Robin Bain couldn’t see to read or type without his glasses which were found in the caravan.
But hang on, I get it, when he changed his clothes to meet his maker he left his glasses in the caravan .
You know it makes sense, well it would make sense to flipper.
David said that his father was killed in the clothes he was wearing the night before. So the sequence goes like this.
[1] Robin Bain goes to bed wearing some tatty old clothes.
[2] He gets up about 6.30am , listens to the radio for a while , then changes into some other clothes, then goes into the house and kills four members of his family, then puts those clothes in the wash because they had blood on them, then types a message on the computer, then goes back out to the caravan and puts those tatty old clothes on again including a beanie, leaves his glasses in the caravan, comes back into the house, grabs the rifle, changes magazines even though the magazine that he removed from the rifle still had three live rounds in it, places that magazine upright on the floor, then shoots himself in the left temple while standing with one foot on a chair, without leaving any identifiable prints on the rifle , then falls to the floor without disturbing that magazine even though it is only a couple of millimetres from his outstretched left hand.
You know it makes sense, well it would to Rowan and flipper.
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March 14, 2015 1:52pm
Michael

Rowan,
Don’t you remember when Kanz posted that he would come down to Hokowhitu and sort me out? Maybe you didn’t see that post because David Farrar removed it pdq. And what about that other bloke who posts on here that threatened me on his blog and called me a pedophile to boot? So don’t whinge about me threatening anyone, which of course I haven’t done anyway.
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March 14, 2015 1:58pm
Shawn Herles

“And as Captain Bananas knows full well, I have NEVER claimed there was and I have ALWAYS used discernment in the appropriate sense,”

Liar. You have used it in the sense of a “gift” several times, and related that “gift” to God.

As per usual, you’re just changing your words/claims, shifting the goal posts, all the usual tactics you use when caught out talking bullshit, like your hilarious claim to wat about why your prediction did not come about.
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March 14, 2015 2:00pm
Shawn Herles

Congress Takes Aim at BDS.

“Eight days after a meeting on a potential free trade agreement between the United States and the European Union last month, two congressmen introduced a bill to influence the process and help prevent economic discrimination against Israel. Called the “U.S.-Israel Trade and Commercial Enhancement Act” the bill is an effort to counter the Boycott, Divest and Sanctions Movement (BDS), which is lamentably popular in Europe.

The bill’s primary sponsors, Illinois’s Peter Roskam, a Republican, and California’s Juan Vargas, a Democrat, proposed the legislation as a “targeted approach” to counter BDS activity where most of it occurs – the EU. So far, 24 congressmen have co-sponsored the legislation.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/congress-takes-aim-bds_885284.html
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March 14, 2015 2:02pm
Rachael Membery

Michael (4,102 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 10:23 am

I think that at least some of the issue was that they were sections, and as such had no insurable value, but certainly were a loss.
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March 14, 2015 2:06pm
Rachael Membery

cricko (742 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 1:46 pm

Might one add that he is not the only one!!!!
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March 14, 2015 2:09pm
Gulag1917

The slanderer is theologically mixed up, you would not want to go there.
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March 14, 2015 2:11pm
SPC

Any reason one could not buy this house on leasehold land up for sale for a dollar and move it to another section, the set up cost would be under $50,000.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11416989

Do this for 5 different leasehold land properties and make a good profit selling the houses on other sections. Then one would have the cash to buy a $M property without a mortgage.
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March 14, 2015 2:12pm
Michael

Thanks Rachael.
This article explains it, more or less.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/8230093/Brownlee-cut-payout-for-owners
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March 14, 2015 2:12pm
Manolo

stephieboy, do you share Obama’s dislike of Netanhayu? Tell me why.
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March 14, 2015 2:13pm
Reid

Liar. You have used it in the sense of a “gift” several times, and related that “gift” to God.

You’re the liar Captain Bananas.

Why you and I have even had a conversation about this very topic in which you asked me whether what others were saying I had said about discernment was true and I clarified what I had been saying and we both concluded that it was all fine, because it was simply a case of others not possessing the understanding of gifts, as we both do.

And so Captain Bananas, it’s you who are lying and God knows it. And you know God knows it. And nevertheless you keep doing it. Breaking the ninth commandment every single time you do. And like I said, what does your wife think about that? Rather disgraceful of you isn’t it? Dragging her into your gutter, as you are.
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March 14, 2015 2:43pm
wikiriwhis business

Aldous Huxley

https://www.facebook.com/CollectiveEvolutionPage/photos/a.10151198752138908.475684.131929868907/10152769020693908/?type=1&theater
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March 14, 2015 2:49pm
wikiriwhis business

Notice J Flee isn’t visiting workplaces in Northland. I understand one workplace is closing leaving 250 workers unemployed
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March 14, 2015 2:50pm
SPC

I realise that one has read about being as innocent as a child or childlike re the kingdom of God, but a little less of the childish name calling and reference to higher powers her indoors etc …
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March 14, 2015 2:50pm
wikiriwhis business

CNN just did a major report on the death of Honeybees. They act like this means something major, but lack any credibility to address the major corporate takeover of the world that is responsible for the honeybee die off, along with many US federal rogue agencies, and so the hour long presentation did nothing to bring an end to the honeybee extinction.

http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fasheepnomore.net%2F2014%2F09%2F27%2Fepa-knew-pesticides-killing-honeybees-1970s-punished-spoke%2F&h=5AQEzR3Y_&enc=AZNVxj74mr04e1fziUAiXQ44el6BCObH9Jnau1p3WJtVn0P07saQxqCC_V5EiEVt0YYaOgEfkFET_eDuGH_BzFlOGJ8wZka1K1QyMJHJKAJZeqyYMKj6qu_S8fmrDWfRmNAmFw9afauu13OOdA-vI_hVNzfNJO7e0R_9iX-0snqTkA&s=1

‪#‎EPA‬ Knew ‪#‎Pesticides‬ Were ,Killing ‪#‎Honeybees‬ in the 1970s But Punished Those Who Spoke Out
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March 14, 2015 2:51pm
wikiriwhis business

“we won, but lets write like it was a fluke and we will probably lose the next one.”

I have to say Tim Southee has to be put up the batting order. Totally nervous leaving the game to Vitorri at the end.

He really needs to be put right at the end of the batting order.

I have thought some of the openers need to be put down to middle order
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March 14, 2015 2:56pm
Oliver Twist

Oliver Twist 1:15 pm. Alan Wilkinson at 12:24 pm. The earth is not receiving more energy due to CO2, it is merely redistributing it differently.

Thank you. Climate change.

Alan Wilkinson 1:33 pm. @oliver, the climate is always changing. Keep that thought. It’s about the limit of your science. Bye now.

Yes, the climate is always changing. But, what, in your words “The earth is not receiving more energy due to CO2, it is merely redistributing it differently”, is being distributed differently?

Not the added energy, is it?

“Bye now”? Don’t run away, Alan, keep wriggling.
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March 14, 2015 3:01pm
wikiriwhis business

“As a Christian familiar with charismatic gifts, I can confidently say that there is NO gift for discerning conspiracy theories. ”

God is a conspiracy believer. That’s why we have the book of Revelation talking about the mark of the beast and Daniel being shown the last days which made him physically sick for a week.

If you don’t believe divine scripture you don’t believe on Jesus Christ who also spoke of the last days in Matthew 24.

This definitely makes the Bible superior to the Book of Mormon and the Koran which dared not predict the future.
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March 14, 2015 3:13pm
Scott

Cricko at 1.46pm, agree about John Barlow. Here he is swanning around after committing 2 murders, he never admits his crime and after serving 15 years lectures the public about the need for changes in the criminal justice system.
Am I the only one who thinks 15 years is too light for a double murder and no remorse?
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March 14, 2015 3:15pm
stephieboy

manolo, when did Obama actually say he disliked Netanyahu If he ever ? I think only in the sense of say some of his Tea Party and like minded Republican foes which the Israeli PM some say bears more than a passing stark resemblance .

I think you will agree that at least the President and the US is not beholden to nor run by the US pro Israeli Lobbies as many claim.
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March 14, 2015 3:16pm
Oliver Twist

Michael at 1:52 pm. Oliver Twist (222 comments) says:

Specially when Robin Bain couldn’t see to read or type without his glasses which were found in the caravan.
But hang on, I get it, when he changed his clothes to meet his maker he left his glasses in the caravan .
You know it makes sense, well it would make sense to flipper.
David said that his father was killed in the clothes he was wearing the night before. So the sequence goes like this.
[1] Robin Bain goes to bed wearing some tatty old clothes.
[2] He gets up about 6.30am , listens to the radio for a while , then changes into some other clothes, then goes into the house and kills four members of his family, then puts those clothes in the wash because they had blood on them, then types a message on the computer, then goes back out to the caravan and puts those tatty old clothes on again including a beanie, leaves his glasses in the caravan, comes back into the house, grabs the rifle, changes magazines even though the magazine that he removed from the rifle still had three live rounds in it, places that magazine upright on the floor, then shoots himself in the left temple while standing with one foot on a chair, without leaving any identifiable prints on the rifle , then falls to the floor without disturbing that magazine even though it is only a couple of millimetres from his outstretched left hand.
You know it makes sense, well it would to Rowan and flipper.

No wonder the K-Team are trying to block the book.
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March 14, 2015 3:18pm
wikiriwhis business

Companies Begin Planting Microchips Under Employees’ Skin

The technology has been around for some years now, but the use of ‪#‎RFID‬ (radio-frequency identification) chips and other beneath-the-skin implants has only recently become more widespread. -more here: http://asheepnomore.net/…/companies-begin-planting-microch…/#
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March 14, 2015 3:22pm
Rachael Membery

Scary stuff though, I was discussing ‘compensation’, Justice Binnie’s report, David Bain etc with an associate this morning and she admitted to not having followed the case but wasn’t interested in the guilt or innocence but about ‘process’ and the matter not costing the State more money in costs, due to money already expended.

Might I add that I changed the subject. I am so against a flawed ‘process’ that is open to interpretation by those with a vested interest, resulting in a windfall for someone who has not proven their innocence. Compensation is a discretion not a right.
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March 14, 2015 3:27pm
cricko

This is the reporter who wrote that fawning piece on Stuff about John Barlow.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/about-us/newsroom-staff/6246514/Our-staff-Deidre-Mussen

I wonder if she stopped for one moment to consider the family of Gene and Eugene Thomas (the dead victims,
who are still dead as Barlow enjoys his retirement relaxing and collecting antiques.)….

when she quotes Barlow as having a lovely family life, a loving wife and, ‘Life is currently most enjoyable.”
And that the pitifull 14 and a bit years Barlow served he considered as, “Just a longer than usual buisness trip.”

This cow Mussen gushes over the good works Barlow has done helping educate other hard done by criminals while
he was in jail.

And even goes out of her way to credit herself with a scoop, Barlow “Speaks for the first time in 5 years.”

She and the editor of Stuff are a disgrace to the profession of journalism.
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March 14, 2015 3:33pm
stigie

“I have thought some of the openers need to be put down to middle order”

And who do you think should open then Wiki ?
BTW, Tim Southee is about right where he is now !~
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March 14, 2015 3:36pm
All_on_Red

Looks like Dr Wilkinson has Oliver Twisting for sure. Very funny.
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March 14, 2015 3:36pm
Rachael Membery

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/67339187/teen-kidnapper-planned-to-rape-and-kill-friends-10yearold-sister

What is this blackness that overcomes people. Is it depression, or something else?
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March 14, 2015 3:39pm
Rowan

Rachel
Short memories, David actually already has proven his innocence to cabinet!

Michael
Enough of your never ending bullcrap, time to return to the Mason clinic for more meds!
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March 14, 2015 3:46pm
publicwatchdog

Well Kiwibloggers – Monday 16 March 2015 should be interesting.

I should have it confirmed by the Electoral Commission to whom exactly I make a formal complaint about alleged bribery arising from allegedly reported comments made by National’s Northland candidate in the current by-election.

Electoral Act 1993 s.216 (2)?

No point just whining or ‘howling at the moon’ Kiwibloggers.

Unless you put something into a ‘sausage machine’ – ie: a PROCESS with an OUTCOME – not a lot tends to happen, in my opinion and experience.

I’ll keep you informed.

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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March 14, 2015 3:50pm
Rowan

Oliver
Who is trying to block the book? If the stupid old woman is stupid enough to self publish a piece of fiction on the case basically plagiarising Kents hate site, then she is going to be the one who gets in shit over it and have to explain in court her “right” to free speech. She has well and truly cooked her own goose this time?
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March 14, 2015 3:51pm
Oliver Twist

Rowan at 3:46 pm. David actually already has proven his innocence to cabinet!

Really? Where’s his money, then?

I think you mean he persuaded Bunnie he was innocent and cabinet decided Bunnie had been duped by a liar.
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March 14, 2015 3:52pm
Rachael Membery

Rowan (2,996 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 3:46 pm

I could be childish and spell your name differently than you do, but I shall resist the temptation. David hasn’t proven anything, in my opinion, except how the system can be manipulated on an individual’s behalf. In this instance it is David Bain as the poster boy.
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March 14, 2015 3:53pm
Rachael Membery

Actually I think Barlow does make a few salient points regarding education in prisons, I am not sure that education prevents more victims of murder, especially not to degree, PhD level but it could certainly decrease other crimes. I certainly think that literacy levels should improve from illiterate to literate. Look at what happened after ‘educating’ Smith/Traynor.
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March 14, 2015 4:19pm
stigie

“I’ll keep you informed”.

Do you really have to Penny…? Most of us here are not that interested !~
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March 14, 2015 4:20pm
Michael

Rowan,
There have been some books of fiction written about the Bain killings but The Bain Killings Whodunnit? by Michael Sharp is not one of them.
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March 14, 2015 4:25pm
Rowan

Oliver
Drr dickhead, cabinet didn’t like the conclusion so are shopping around for a more favourable one, when it to doesn’t give them the answer they want they, like you, will have even more egg on their faces and have to cough up even more than they would have, had they settled back in 2012.
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March 14, 2015 4:25pm
Rowan

Mike
Right, so why has it been pulled from the shelves and trademe then?
Sorry but all your latest piece of toilet paper is good for is comedy value!
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March 14, 2015 4:27pm
Rowan

Cricko, the self appointed expert is nothing but a joke, Cricko you have an “opinion” of guilt in the Barlow and Lundy cases. Remember that, You are the disgrace here!
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March 14, 2015 4:30pm
Rowan

“In my opinion”
Your opinion Rach counts for jack shit, about time you realised that!
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March 14, 2015 4:58pm
Rachael Membery

Rowan (3,002 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 4:58 pm

Is that your opinion 😉 lol, has it any veracity or do you have to consult a committee.

One could get the feeling lately that only murderers are allowed an opinion on justice matters ie Barlow. Is he setting himself up in anticipation of the potentially ‘precedent’ setting compensation windfall with his daughter’s forensic quest?

I hope that there is at least one guilty murderer in NZ, otherwise the system really is screwed.

Are all life parolees allowed a gun after 5 years? Why?
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March 14, 2015 5:12pm
Michael

Rowan, re your post @ 4.27 p.m.
Your question may well be answered in tomorrows’ SST, so make sure you buy a copy.
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March 14, 2015 5:23pm
Michael

You gotta laugh. Rowan, the most abusive poster on kiwiiblog calls another poster a disgrace.
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March 14, 2015 5:24pm
Rowan

A good piece from Flip earlier today

flipper (4,529 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 11:17 am

Michael (4,099 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 10:12 am

Crikey Dick,
flipper actually went to school etc …..

****
Ahhh hah….

The current resident serial liar (a successor to grief?) has just confirmed by its own words that it cannot read. That, I suppose, is the explanation for its continued idiotic assertions and lies. I say “its” because its name (here and elsewhere) and sexuality change frequently.

Even Rip Van Winkle was reputedly able to read. But you, whatever you are, need to revert to Rip’s sleep mode, or wake up to the fact that you continue to promote the dumbest JFRB (et al) excre****t this side of the black stump
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March 14, 2015 5:33pm
Michael

Rowan.
As you are the current resident liar on kiwiblog it would appear you are talking to yourself again.
Also, you do not seem to be aware that Michael is a male name. Mind you the fact that you still have not realised that does not really surprise me, given your obvious lack of comprehensive skills.
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March 14, 2015 5:44pm
Rachael Membery

Rowan (3,003 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 5:33 pm

Referring to the committee?
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March 14, 2015 5:47pm
Rachael Membery

Michael (4,109 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 5:23 pm

More likely to read it for free at the supermarket, standing in the aisle, either that or someone will tell him what it says.
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March 14, 2015 5:54pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

NZ herald is shit alright. But then maybe it does reflect our self obsessed culture?

Here’s what they came up with just a couple of days after the Asian tsunami.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=9004835

I suspect this was penned by Wynne “Cyclops” Grey!!
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March 14, 2015 6:08pm
cricko

Rowan @ 4.30

You are just a fool.

You must have missed the fact that Barlow was convicted of the double murder and served
nearly 15 years for it.
It’s not my ‘opinion’ that he is a murderer.

And, Rachel Memberry @ 5.12

Did you miss the fact that Barlows appeal to the Privy Council was thrown out.
His sisters investigation can clear him. Get real.
And, if you are sucked in by a “reporter” like Deidre Mussen and think that Barlow
could be granted an arms licence.
Get real.
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March 14, 2015 6:11pm
Rowan

Michael
Read the following extract from flippers post
I say “its” because its name (here and elsewhere) and sexuality change frequently.

How’s that goat going?

[DPF: And that is Strike 4]
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March 14, 2015 6:28pm
Rowan

Cricko
It was the opinion of the third jury that Barlow was guilty of the crime, you share their opinion, I btw have never claimed that he was “innocent” as I don’t know.
On your basis of deciding guilt, is Peter Ellis guilty because he was convicted of it? There is actually no evidence of any crime committed apart from the evidence of some young children’s testimonies. Ellis has never received a pardon or retrial, so is he “guilty” to?
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March 14, 2015 6:37pm
Rachael Membery

Cricko, God you got both my names wrong lol perhaps copy and paste? My comments related to these excerpts from the Stuff article linked above on Barlow.

Daughter Keryn has written a book about his case, and is waiting for more information about flawed FBI bullet analysis presented at his trial before publication. That suggests to me that they are still trying to prove the evidence false.

In August, Barlow’s five-year special parole conditions will end, including a ban on owning firearms. If he was banned from owning firearms for only five years, that suggests being able to own them legally after that!!!
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March 14, 2015 6:38pm
Griff

Wat you are yabbering rubish yet again.

There has been no statistically significant warming for nearly 20 years.

That is not what the surface temperatures say wat fail one

The models, and the AGW theory, has been scientifically disproved.

Wat the greenhouse effect has not been disproved
The models when the variables are taken into account are bang on
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v4/n9/full/nclimate2310.html‘
fail two

“The oceans have continued to warm un effected by the so called pause…..
The earth is gaining energy.”

You are conceding the sceptics’ point here.

Are no I am not wat we live on a planet with the atmosphere and oceans both are accounted for in climate models.
You are showing ignorance of what climate models are in ignoring the major heat sink for 93 % of the planets incoming energy
fail three

The ‘so called pause’ is scientific proof that the AGW theory is false.

again what pause wat?
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2014/12/recent-global-warming-trends-significant-or-paused-or-what/
fail four

You may claim (probably falsely) that ocean temperatures are warming, but that is not what the models predicted, is it. The AGW theory deals with, and predicts, atmospheric warming.
Again, you are admitting that the models have been falsified and that the AGW theory itself has been falsified.

Stupid wat the trend has continued the pause is in your mind matey.
The oceans are part of the climate models wat or else they wouldn’t be models of earth.
http://www.nodc.noaa.gov/OC5/3M_HEAT_CONTENT/
gee I have a reference for the facts and peer reviewed papers you have nutwhack hand waving and loony yabbering.

AGW is the greenhouse effect It says more greenhouse gas more warming,
Unless you can find some extremely energetic pixies the reason why our biosphere continues to warm is going to be agw.

You are trying to use statistical mathurbation By starting your trend from a outlying data point.
Even a kiddy doing first year statistics could tell you its wrong to do that.

https://tamino.wordpress.com/2015/01/20/its-the-trend-stupid-3/#more-7304

You are a pathetic loon wat you yabber drivel from ignorance.
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March 14, 2015 6:44pm
Rowan

“You know it makes sense, well it would to Rowan and flipper.”

I know from experience that nothing here from the mouth of the resident serial liar here, ever has or ever will make sense.
Michael all your list of conjecture shows is that you are not very good at speculating, you sound like MVB, presenting a highly implausible scenario and then picking holes in it as though it somehow “disproves” something, it only proves Michael that you are an idiotic loon with no idea what you are talking about!
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March 14, 2015 6:57pm
Rachael Membery

Rowan (3,006 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 6:57 pm

lol. Mr Kettle, meet Mr Pot and Mr Black. That however is exactly why there should be no compensation for David Bain. There is too much conflicting evidence. You say it exonerates David. I say that it exonerates Robin.

My associate didn’t even seem to realise that Robin would never have been found guilty at trial, I do not believe that he would even have been charged. Of course he never got the opportunity.

Robin must have really hated David to have left him to cope alone with all of the fall out from the family deaths by committing suicide. Not to mention if the whole business was to protect family ‘secrets’, that worked well didn’t it!!!
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March 14, 2015 7:07pm
Viking2

A little boy comes down to breakfast.
Since they live on a farm, his mother asks if he had done his chores.
” Not yet, ” said the little boy.
His mother tells him no breakfast until he does his chores.
Well, he’s a little teed off, so he goes to feed the chickens, and he kicks a chicken. He goes to feed the cows, and he kicks a cow. He goes to feed the pigs, and he kicks a pig. He goes back in for breakfast and his mother gives him a bowl of dry cereal.
” How come I don’t get any eggs and bacon ?
and why don’t I have any milk in my cereal ? ” he asks.
” Well, ” his mother says, ” I saw you kick a chicken, so you don’t get any eggs for a week. I saw you kick the pig, so you don’t get any bacon for a week either. I saw you kick the cow so for a week you aren’t getting any milk. ”
Just then, his father comes down for breakfast and kicks the cat halfway across the kitchen.
The little boy looks up at his mother with a smile, and says,
” You gonna tell him or should I ? “
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March 14, 2015 7:14pm
cricko

Rachael Membery,
Sorry I spelt your name wrong, it was not intentional.

Rowan @ 6.37
You are just a fool.
However, even a fool can get it right once in a blue moon.
In your case that one time was when you said, “as I don’t know.”
That was the first sensible thing you have said all day.
(you could have added the word ‘anything’ as suffix to be even more accurate.)

PS Our system of justice usualy gets it right.
Can you point to a better system ?
2 cases where the system did fail.
A A Thomas was wrongly convicted due to planted police evidence. (not the fault of the jury)
Peter Ellis was wrongly convicted due to temporary mass hysteria in the Peoples Republic of Christchurch.

And, when the jury gets it right again in the Lundy case and sends that despicable POS back to where
he belongs I hope that as numero uno in the Lundy admiriati even you will accept the verdict.
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March 14, 2015 7:24pm
Rowan

“My associate didn’t even seem to realise that Robin would never have been found guilty at trial, I do not believe that he would even have been charged. Of course he never got the opportunity.”

what if he had confessed? your post is nothing but speculation, and you resort to the emotional bs, ask yourself, what if daddy never intended to spare David or to commit suicide and this was just an afterthought? These murders were as a result of someone losing it rather than being planned, which one of David or Robin was more likely to do that? Not that hard!
You are an idiot, no wonder it took you 3 attempts to get through law school!
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March 14, 2015 7:31pm
Rachael Membery

cricko (745 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 7:24 pm

That’s alright, but you have to admit that that article is written so that those conclusions can be drawn.
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March 14, 2015 7:32pm
Rowan

And, when the jury gets it right again in the Lundy case and he is acquitted
I hope that as numero uno in the Lundy admiriati even you will accept the verdict.

There you are Cricko edited so as to be accurate, not enough reliable evidence in the Lundy case to sustain a guilty verdict, so not guilty, who knows what really happened to Amber and Christine (apart from Cricko and the self appointed “experts” that is!)
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March 14, 2015 7:34pm
Rachael Membery

Rowan (3,007 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 7:31 pm

Did I re Law School? That just goes to show how misinformed you are. lol. 😉
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March 14, 2015 7:38pm
Rachael Membery

Rowan (3,008 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 7:31 pm

Well apparently ‘confessions’ can no longer be relied upon. Pora

One can hardly count the computer message as Robin’s confession. If that is what you are implying.

I was interested to read recently that Robin penned letters to his siblings regularly.

Very interesting what extra information one can learn on subjects, by reading dedicated material. 😉
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March 14, 2015 7:49pm
Rachael Membery

Rowan (3,008 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 7:31 pm

They were cold, calculated murders.
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March 14, 2015 7:51pm
Rachael Membery

Rowan (3,007 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 7:31 pm

I am delighted to be able to call you irrefutably a liar, regarding that comment about me and Law School. I do hope DPF understands and I want the comment to stand as testament to Rowan’s ‘knowledge’.
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March 14, 2015 7:57pm
cha

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbfnP3nhghk
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March 14, 2015 8:10pm
Rowan

Rach
It might have been 3 attempts at running in the elections, I’m only posting what I’ve received second hand anyhow, how did it you get on suing your father?
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March 14, 2015 8:21pm
cricko

Rachael,
If you are referring to the article by Deidre Mussen then that article was an example of the lowest
most pitifull type of ‘journalism’ possible.

That cow congratulated herself for getting a scoop in her own article.
“Barlow speaks for the first time in 5 years.”

She barely stopped short of proposing Barlow for an award for all the good work he did in jail.

How do you think the Thomas family felt when they read that Barlow finds, “Life is currently most
enjoyable.” ?

Or, Barlow now has a wonderfull family life. ?

Or, Barlow has a wonderfull wife.

Or, Barlow considers the 14 and a bit years he served for executing two of their family members as,
Akin to a long business trip. ?

Now he relaxes at home and collects antiques.

Gene and Eugene Thomas are still dead.

That was a sickening article that Mussen and whoever her editor was should be ashamed of.
No thought whatever for the family members of the victims who are still grieving.
Disgusting.
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March 14, 2015 8:31pm
Rachael Membery

Rowan (3,009 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 8:21 pm

Misinformation, that’s what you get when you stalk and not worrying about disseminating false hoods. As for suing my father, I have no familial relationship with my father, I ‘won’ the court case, so vindicated I guess. I didn’t feel the need to shoot him funnily enough, despite his actions, thank-you for caring. ;).
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March 14, 2015 8:43pm
Rachael Membery

cricko (746 comments) says:

March 14th, 2015 at 8:31 pm

Absolutely agree, we are a nation of crim huggers. the victim’s ‘time’ never ends
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March 14, 2015 8:49pm
Reid

Gene and Eugene Thomas are still dead.

That was a sickening article that Mussen and whoever her editor was should be ashamed of.
No thought whatever for the family members of the victims who are still grieving.
Disgusting.

cricko this is what I don’t get about the line of argument you raise, on this, or any other case.

If the questions are valid, then why the fuck does anyone hallucinate the victims would be upset if the actual, factual, really what happened truth, is revealed?

Why the fuck does any moron hallucinate for example, the real victims of 911 would be upset were the real perpetrators to be exposed? Or Mark Lundy. Or Tamihere? Or etc etc etc etc etc?

????
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March 14, 2015 8:51pm
Oliver Twist

@Reid. Rubbing the bereaved families noses in it — his happiness versus their emptiness.
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March 14, 2015 8:57pm
nasska

There’s not much we can do about a person’s utterances after they’ve served the punishment they were given cricko. It’s not the first time it has happened & regrettably it’s unlikely to be the last.

There was a case a while back when someone stabbed some poor bugger to death, spent a few years of an inadequate sentence, was released & shot his next victim. Served less than ten years for that too.

He now offers political opinion & advice to all & sundry although I think he runs the service for free.
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March 14, 2015 9:05pm
Viking2

Google on Everest.

http://www.google.com/maps/about/behind-the-scenes/streetview/treks/the-worlds-highest-peaks/

https://www.google.com/maps/views/streetview/the-worlds-highest-peaks?hl=en&gl=nz
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March 14, 2015 9:07pm
Oliver Twist

@nasska. True, true, true. A-E-I-O-U.
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