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March 12, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 12 March 2015

Hi all, number of senior moments re the General Debate for the last few days….

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oldpark

Listening and reading about the eco terrorists on potential baby milk poisoning. Seems every man and his dog ,or mouthpieces have come out of the woodwork. We have academics, Liebour Party knowalls , Main Stream Media ,all anti John Key to the core. Should our man for all reasons and seasons, John Key, NZs Prime minister, have alerted the world sooner, rather than later, about the two typed letters threatening to murder babies, by way of injecting poison into baby milk formula. For that we will never know, except as Clint Eastwood once said. “Opinions are like arse holes,everyone has one”.
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March 12, 2015 8:09am
Manolo

Ah, the lazy Greeks threaten Germany: http://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2015/mar/11/fears-over-china-slowdown-and-greek-crisis-escalate-live-updates
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March 12, 2015 8:10am
stephieboy

Rowan (2,972 comments) says:
March 11th, 2015 at 6:42 pm
http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/67240385/Evidence-pointed-to-Christine-Lundy-DNA-on-shirt-expert

Even if this is Christine Lundys brain tissue, is it that surprising that his partners DNA is on his shirt? Crown will have to do better than this if they are going to get anything to stick here!

Is this is what is called an “innocent transfer ” of DNA – brain tissue ?
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March 12, 2015 8:11am
Nukuleka

Well we can all sleep smugly in our beds tonight knowing that we are caring NZers who have saved the lives of a couple of old trees.

Meanwhile another perhaps a hundred unborn babies will be ripped from their mothers’ wombs today in this compassionate society of ours and not too many of us will even give it a thought.

What interesting values we Kiwis have.
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March 12, 2015 8:12am
Manolo

The kauri farce has gone beyond the ridiculous. The MSM and the tree-huggers are having a ball.
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March 12, 2015 8:17am
OneTrack

“the lazy Greeks threaten Germany”

It’s amazing. How long is Merkel going to put up with this crap?
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March 12, 2015 8:22am
Paulus

Is this another case of Eco-Terrorism the 180 year old Kauri (now called Koori) owners being held to be wrong, despite having permission from all the necessary council bodies, which has taken them years to get being targeted.
Why do the so called Media call it 500m years old – any tree scientist will tell you how old it is, as has now been proven.
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March 12, 2015 8:25am
Keeping Stock

@ stephieboy – I might be a bit thick on matters medical, but doesn’t brain tissue normally come from INSIDE the skull? If it IS brain tissue on Lundy’s shirt, and he didn’t actually see the bodies immediately after they were discovered, he has some explaining to do.
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March 12, 2015 8:31am
jcuk

Hillary Clinton’s defence of using a private email to avoid two machines is pathetic… in her position I would have three servers to separate my interests as I do as an unknown citizen … really such as person should not be the leader of the world with such abysmal knowledge of communications.
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March 12, 2015 8:33am
Simon

Kauri tree fascists show the law isn’t important it was the “sacredness of the tree for the wider community” as defined by the fascists that overrode all other considerations.

Ugly NZ on display over the last few days. Basic mob rule.
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March 12, 2015 8:36am
Fletch

jcuk, @ Hillary’s email, exactly.
And as for stephieboy’s defence yesterday that Jeb Bush is doing the same thing, so it’s OK? – Well, it’s not. If Jeb is doing that, then it is wrong as well. But using a private server for your campaign email is one thing, and having the Secretary Of State using a private server in her home when emailing politically sensitive documents to and from foreign countries is another.
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March 12, 2015 8:41am
Lance

Death threats against a family that followed the law to letter over a couple of trees
And this was to create 2 new desperately needed houses
And those opposing them are the hero’s ?

It’s a fucked up country
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March 12, 2015 8:41am
flipper

” ***Is this is what is called an “innocent transfer ” of DNA – brain tissue ? ****”

Don’t worry about it stephie stupidone….. You have no brain tissue to lose. 🙂
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March 12, 2015 8:42am
Chuck Bird

This is why homosexuals should not donate blood.

I see in 2005 Lower Hutt man Justin Dalley was charged with two counts of criminal nuisance. But they were dismissed because he used a condom during intercourse.

Should someone not be obliged to tell their sexual partner they are HIV+ even if the use a condom?

Auckland man on charges over alleged HIV infection
5:00 AM Wednesday Mar 11, 2015

An Auckland man has been charged after allegedly infecting another man with HIV.

The defendant, aged in his 40s, appeared in the Auckland District Court yesterday facing one count of causing grievous bodily harm with reckless disregard and one of committing a criminal nuisance by doing an unlawful act.

Court documents say between December and January he “failed to take reasonable precaution of a dangerous thing, namely HIV, knowing such an act would endanger the life of [the complainant]”.

The man was not given name suppression but police said they would consider an injunction to stop any names being published.

Police believed naming him would draw attention to the victim.

The defendant is understood to be one of only a handful of people to be prosecuted over such offending.

In 2005 the first case of its type came before the court when Lower Hutt man Justin Dalley was charged with two counts of criminal nuisance.

But they were dismissed because he used a condom during intercourse.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11415135
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March 12, 2015 8:44am
EAD

Great interview with Nigel Farage -one of the best, most honest Politicians on the planet who is not afraid to tell it how it is:

http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/im-taking-on-the-establishment-and-they-hate-me-for-it/16758#.VQCKdMlA2jZ

Some home truths from the interview:

On the MSM:
“The media now act, says Farage, like the guardians of ‘what is considered right-thinking’, and this is why they hate him with such rash feeling — his thoughts, his ideas, his politics are, by their judgment, un-right thinking, and thus must be shouted, or better still shut, down”

And what I really like about Farage and UKIP in the UK – their ability to challenge the consensus. Boy do we need that over here in NZ. While the main party have squabbles over who said what, the consensus on “climate change”, Maori issues, flag change, massive immigration, nanny-state social engineering, welfare (WFF, student loans), gay marriage leaves little room for any meaningful debate despite large sections of the population disagreeing with the cosy “consensus”

“No, it’s something else about UKIP that gets the goat of the great and good — it’s a vibe, an attitude, a reluctance to stick to the ‘binary politics’ script, and a sometimes unprofessional and fruitily worded stab at some of the sacred cows of modern politics. ‘It’s because we challenge the consensus’, says Farage. Consensus, and the breaking of it, and the blowback you get as a consequence, comes up again and again in our chat..

Here, Farage is kicking against one of the key planks of 21st-century consensus politics: the idea of planetary vulnerability and human hubris. And he gets massive flak for it. ‘[Climate change] is like a religion’, he says. ‘And you’re demonised if you question it. Ostracised completely. Johnny Ball. Think Of A Number. Brilliant man. He compares the amount of CO2 we produce in the whole atmosphere to a ping-pong ball in the Albert Hall, and he is completely ostracised for years. We’re almost back to Galileo. Whether it’s Galileo or Darwin, you challenge consensus, whether it’s in science, whether it’s in politics, and you are demonised for doing it.”

“Or take the nanny state, or the nudge industry, or the public-health lobby — whatever it’s being called these days…….‘It’s the modern puritanism’, he says of the bossy new politics of lifestyle micromanagement. ‘It’s about controlling people. It is the same paternalistic agenda from the great and the good, who think they know better than ordinary folk what is good for them.”

Amen for a straight talking Politician like Farage!
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March 12, 2015 8:45am
publicwatchdog

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Seems that Winston Peters, in a 9 second video clip, has ‘nailed it’ and (part-time) Prime Minister John Key has received a political hammering on his ‘genuine’ Kiwi DIY ‘manhood’ / ‘blokehood’ from which I for one, believe he will NEVER recover.

Where’s that supremely confident, affable, unflappable ‘Mr Popularity’ John Key now?

Flushed down down the spin-doctored political dunny (as it were), in my opinion, from which, I predict, he will NEVER return…

Yep – politically – ‘one minute you’re the rooster – next you’re the feather duster’?

In my view, the political ‘feather-dustering’ of (part-time) Prime Minister John Key, will suffer a further massive body blow, when Winston Peters storms home in a landslide victory in the Northland by-election.

In mean, what genuine Kiwi bloke is now going to queue up to meet (part-time) Prime Minister John Key, to shake the hand of the man who has never held a hammer?

Seriously?

(Meant of course, in a caring ‘Tradie’ way 😉

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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March 12, 2015 8:47am
Sarkozygroupie

And they said this would never happen…

http://www.dailyguideghana.com/worlds-first-three-way-same-sex-marriage/
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March 12, 2015 8:49am
Ross12

Good on the guys who own the trees –as I understand it they have flipped it back on the “protesters” with one of their options, by saying if everyone is so concerned then buy the plot and turn it into a park. So they are doing the same as the developer in Wellington who was stopped from demolishing the office building who said ” If you want it you can have it for a $1 ( I think) and you spend the money to save it”

So lets see if money bags Len and the protestors put their money where their mouth is. It won’t happen !
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March 12, 2015 8:49am
Colville

Lundy shirt.

Like the Lab Geek from USA said… no matter what other DNA was on the shirt you dont get brain tissue on your shirt from eating a sandwhich.
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March 12, 2015 8:54am
Fletch

47 Senators from the GOP have caused an uproar by sending an open letter to Iran stating that any deal Obama makes is an ‘executive agreement’ and will end when he leaves in 2017. They point out that any lasting deal must be approved by Congress to be constitutionally legal. This caused an outburst from Joe Biden etc (who has seemingly totally forgotten Obama’s ignoring Congress and creating his own laws out of thin air).

Others point out that Pelosi went behind Bushes back in 1991 and went to meet with Assad personally when she was only Speaker of the House. And that Ted Kennedy famously wrote to Andropov saying and that he would help the Russians if they helped him unseat Reagan.

http://hotair.com/archives/2015/03/10/traitors-hardly-antagonizing-a-co-equal-branch-of-government-has-consequences/

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/10/ted-kennedy-secretly-asked-the-soviets-to-intervene-in-the-1984-elections/

The letter from the GOP to Iran, and signed by 47 Senators can be read at the link –

http://go.bloomberg.com/assets/content/uploads/sites/2/150309-Cotton-Open-Letter-to-Iranian-Leaders.pdf
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March 12, 2015 8:54am
SteveRemmington

Christ you post absolute shite somedays Penny.
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March 12, 2015 8:56am
Colville

Morning Penny.

As a supposed “tradie” maybe you could answer my question of yesterday as to why you hate contractors so much?

Kind regards

A guy with far better trade quals than you.
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March 12, 2015 8:56am
Fletch

And they said this would never happen…

http://www.dailyguideghana.com/worlds-first-three-way-same-sex-marriage/

Sarkozygroupie, yah,
It’s not really a marriage in any true sense of reality. They could start the new Bee Gees maybe – but married? Nup.
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March 12, 2015 8:57am
Griff

So lets see if money bags Len ….. put ~~their~~ our money where their mouth is
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March 12, 2015 8:57am
oldpark

See Materialistic Turei from “commie greens”,Manifested chronic liar, had her never missed a meal in her life arse, handed to her by John Key when he called her bluff ,when she said 90% of school children went without lunch.
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March 12, 2015 9:02am
Oliver Twist

flipper (4,522 comments) says: March 12th, 2015 at 8:42 am
Don’t worry about it stephie stupidone….. You have no brain tissue to lose. 🙂

Gormless swank from a blowhard who put all his eggs in one basket case. (Killer B.)
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March 12, 2015 9:03am
Sarkozygroupie

Agreed, Fletch. No matter how hard I try I cannot stretch the limits of my imagination to believe this “marriage” is in any way, shape, or form real. But they believe it, and the world’s liberal apologists will continue to batter us over the head until we see the error of our ways. All hail to the mantra of non-judgementalism.
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March 12, 2015 9:04am
Fletch

ps, small correction to my comment above – Pelosi went behind Bush’s back and met with Assad in 2007, not 1991.
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March 12, 2015 9:13am
Fletch

As a few people have pointed out on different forums, if President Obama were purposely working on behalf of the enemy, how would his actions be any different from what he is doing now?
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March 12, 2015 9:17am
graham

Still find it quite bizarre that Penny is claiming that John Key is not an ordinary Kiwi bloke. Based on the supposition that all ordinary Kiwi blokes can wield a hammer. I wonder, if it was to be discovered that, say, Sir Edmund Hillary or Ernest Rutherford or Michael Joseph Savage or Dr Fred Hollows, were equally inept as a hammerhand – would Penny insist that they hand in their “Kiwi Bloke” cards?

Bit of a narrow viewpoint there, but okay, let’s play along for now. As we all know, all ordinary Kiwi blokes can also cook a barbeque, would jump at the opportunity to hang out with Richie McCaw, think a romantic date is taking your girlfriend to the A&P show, and like to drink a beer from time to time.

Hmmm. So far that’s four ticks for John Key being an ordinary Kiwi bloke versus your one strike against. Err … I’d say he’s winning out as being more of a Kiwi bloke than you might be prepared to admit there, Penny.

And you still haven’t explained … how exactly does an inability to use a hammer stop him from running the country? I’ll put it more simply for you if you like Penny … what exactly does a Prime Minister need to be able to use a hammer for in their day to day running of the country?
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March 12, 2015 9:17am
Griff

If you are focused on others sex life and bum banditry there maybe some sort of suppressed Freudian stuff going on.
Broken thought process of the week… Conservatives hate abortion and hate funding bastard children.
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March 12, 2015 9:18am
Fletch

Conservatives hate abortion and hate funding bastard children.

Actually, the welfare of children is pretty much the only reason traditionally that Government is involved in marriage at all. It is better to ensure a child is protected within the family unit, legally bound, than to have to shell out for the DPB, orphanages, adoption agencies, costs around court cases about parental rights, and other welfare.

As far as two people themselves, the Govt doesn’t really care about the intensity of feeling they have toward one another, or how much they love each other.
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March 12, 2015 9:25am
publicwatchdog

Colville – I don’t hate contractors (or anyone – actually 🙂

What I do hate is a double-layer of private sector ‘contractocracy’ ( where consultants ‘project manage’ works contractors) for private profit, instead of minimising costs to citizens and ratepayers by providing core services ‘in house’ under the single layer, public service, ‘not-for profit’ bureaucracy’.

Particularly when there has been NO ‘cost-benefit analysis’ which PROVES that this contracting out is a more cost-effective use of public rates monies.

Which is why I’ve made such a determined stand in refusing to pay Auckland Council rates – in order to ensure that citizens and ratepayers get the transparency to which we are LAWFULLY entitled regarding the spending of rates monies on private sector consultants and contractors.

Hope this helps

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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March 12, 2015 9:26am
renderer

Penny have you had ECT. Some of your outbursts are really quite bizzare
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March 12, 2015 9:36am
Sarkozygroupie

Actually Griff I’m focused on the illegitimacy of the claim that has been made by liberals.

That the loosening of the definition of marriage to include ‘same sex’ as opposed to just ‘opposite sex’ couples would not lead to situations of three or more same sex people getting ‘married’, and other variations on a theme.

You can try to reframe what I am thinking and dress it up using big words like Freudian, but it just shows your comprehension is severely lacking, or you are simply being wilfully disingenuous.
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March 12, 2015 9:39am
kowtow

So called “same sex marriage”.

Debate on in the Republic of Ireland prior to a May referendum.

What’s that you say , a referendum? What a novel idea, allowing the plebs a say in how their society is run!Some people would call that democracy. make all the Oirish jokes you like , they have more control on their gummint than we do.

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/a-yes-vote-in-the-referendum-will-undermine-the-principle-of-equality-1.2133823
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March 12, 2015 9:48am
Griff

Liberals think arse banditry is not their business and neither is what consenting adults do in private.

Liberal is for freedom…. Conservatives are all for government interfering into the details of others private life’s. .
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March 12, 2015 9:51am
Harriet

“…..Conservatives hate abortion and hate funding bastard children….”

There is as much a differance between funding and helping as there is between women’s welfare and woman’s rights.

Labour and other feminists in NZ are only concerned about the rights of women – not their welfare. And you can see that from their policies, they have always prefered to give single mum’s more money than ways to help them.

And they’ve won, as most young women today see teenage pregnancy as a ‘wasted life’ when infact it is a new life with some challenges, never mind the fact that over millenia ALL women were capable mothers at 16!

Progress: dumbing down NZ ‘wimmin’ to the point of ignorance about their natural capabillities. —–As if a young mother isn’t capable of keeping/getting a man to help and support her – but with the DPB having been above that of the wages of young men[and that’s if they could find a job] – young women and young men didn’t have the chance to show that they could provide as parents, and the taxpayer then fulfilled the role.
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March 12, 2015 9:51am
kowtow

Fletch

Barack Hussein Obama is the most unAmerican President that those United States have ever had.

http://www.ezralevant.com/baracks_backstory/
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March 12, 2015 9:51am
IGM

Public Dog: Can’t wait to see you get financially done by Banksie . . . the day is fast approaching when your chickens come home to roost; who will give a stuff? Very few!
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March 12, 2015 9:53am
Harriet

“…..Liberals think arse banditry is not their business and neither is what consenting adults do in private….’

Quite clearly liberals are fucking stupid then Griff as they pay for the consequences of ‘arse banditry’ with their taxes.

Sexual healthcare isn’t ‘free stuff’ infact irresponsable sexual practices is anti-social behaviour as the money used in sexual healthcare could be better used in more needy areas of health.
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March 12, 2015 10:01am
Manolo

Guaranteed.
Barack Hussein Obama is the most unantiAmerican President that those United States have ever had.
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March 12, 2015 10:01am
G152

Lundy shirt.

Like the Lab Geek from USA said… no matter what other DNA was on the shirt you dont get brain tissue on your shirt from eating a sandwhich.

If the victim was murdered by hitting her with an axe there would be a lot more splatter of blood, tissue and brain matter.
The samples came from two small areas on a shirt?
Come on. Where is the rest?
Remember the planted bullet case evidence on which Arthur Alan Thomas was convicted
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March 12, 2015 10:03am
Griff

Catholic Bishops Want to Deny Raped Migrant Girls Access to Health Care

ThinkProgress reports that the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops is demanding, in the name of religious freedom, the right to keep underage migrants who have been raped from accessing medical care to prevent them from becoming pregnant. In a letter sent to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, the USCCB, which has received $22 million in federal funds to help set up group shelters to house refugees coming in over the southern border, protested a regulation requiring those who take this money to offer “unimpeded access to emergency medical treatment, crisis intervention services, emergency contraception, and sexually transmitted infections prophylaxis, in accordance with professionally accepted standards of care, where appropriate under medical or mental health professional standards.” The USCCB wants to be able to impede access to this care out of fear that some rape victims who use it might try to avoid having babies by their rapists.
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March 12, 2015 10:04am
Manolo

Associated Press (AP) is after the crook’s records: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150311/us–clinton-ap_lawsuit-e9df444db5.html

WASHINGTON — The Associated Press filed a lawsuit Wednesday against the State Department to force the release of email correspondence and government documents from Hillary Rodham Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state.

The legal action comes after repeated requests filed under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act have gone unfulfilled. They include one request AP made five years ago and others pending since the summer of 2013.
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March 12, 2015 10:05am
stephieboy

Manolo, the most anti American President ?

Evidence and facts ?

For example the air war against IS and backup ground support for the Iraqi army and Kurds is entirely illusory. ?
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March 12, 2015 10:05am
Manolo

@stephieboy: http://www.tomatobubble.com/obamas_hate_america.html
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March 12, 2015 10:15am
Manolo

More from the tolerant religion of peace: http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/isis-publicly-behead-three-men-for-homosexuality-and-blasphemy-in-iraq/ar-AA9Ea96?ocid=mailsignoutmd

Isis supporters say the group has publicly beheaded three men on charges of homosexuality and blasphemy.

Pictures circulated by accounts affiliated with the group show a man kneeling on the floor behind a fighter brandishing a knife. In a third image, a man can be seen reading from what is understood to be a charge sheet.
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March 12, 2015 10:25am
stephieboy

Manolo, show me where Obama specifically says “ I hate the US “ etc

Your link is full of NWO conspiracy paranoia at all levels

Their mission statement :

NEW WORLD ORDER / WORLD WAR II / CONSPIRACY / ECONOMICS / NEWS
HITLER visits OPRAH (Preview)

This item of moonbatiness is but one,

http://www.tomatobubble.com/id412.html

Sheesh !

NEW WORLD ORDER / WORLD WAR II / CONSPIRACY / ECONOMICS / NEWS
HITLER visits OPRAH (Preview)
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March 12, 2015 10:29am
Harriet

A white aussie teenager was a school dropout – his mother later died of cancer – soon after he then joined ISIS.

Yesterday he became a suicide bomber.

Rather sad really, susceptible kids getting swayed by ‘caring muslims’.
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March 12, 2015 10:35am
wreck1080

I don’t get this topshop hysteria.

I used to live next door to one, just another clothing store.
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March 12, 2015 10:37am
minus

Publicwatchdog – Seems that Winston Peters, in a 9 second video clip, has ‘nailed it’ and (part-time) Prime Minister John Key has received a political hammering on his ‘genuine’ Kiwi DIY ‘manhood’ / ‘blokehood’ from which I for one, believe he will NEVER recover.

So now the way to judge political ability is to see if a person can hammer in a nail without any difficulty.
This leaves statements being “in my considered opinion”, by Penny Bright, as very likely not worth considering.
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March 12, 2015 10:45am
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

Referenda are proposed to consider changing the New Zealand flag –

End of 2015:  Referendum One: If the New Zealand flag changes, which flag would you prefer? [Voters rank four options in order of preference]
April 2016:  Referendum Two: What is your choice for the New Zealand flag? [voters choose between current flag and chosen new design].

Why not have all designs in the one referendum – four new designs AND the present flag and rate all five in order of preference?
Can any polling professional, Lotto expert, statistics scientist or other associated expert explain why, if each design is put in order of preference, this would not produce a true result just the same as two referenda?
It is a difference of $10 – $12 million.
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March 12, 2015 10:46am
rightoverlabour

I was getting very stressed in life and then I had a light bulb moment. Stop reading anything by Ugly Truth or Penny Bright. Now I just scroll on down don’t even pause to do the obligatory down tick, and feel so much better. Almost like getting told you are off death row.

Meant in a caring way to all the intelligent readers and contributors to kiwiblog ( and the others too…)
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March 12, 2015 10:49am
Colville

Penny @ 9.26.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Typically work is designed and budgeted by a specialist consultatnt who hires (usually via tender) a bunch of contractors who have very specific skills to come in and knock over a parcel of work. Those contractors then piss off to do other work when they are done, or go to the beach or whatever they wish but it dont matter because the Council isnt paying for them any more.

I will put this in a way you can understand.

How often do you think a council the size of WCC needs someone with an API 1104 all positions? and what would that skilled and very well paid person do the rest of the time?
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March 12, 2015 10:50am
Fraggle

Very interesting doco.

http://fuuse.net/banaz-a-love-story/

There is no room for these men in our Westernised countries.
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March 12, 2015 10:52am
Lucia Maria

Very sad, car crash yesterday involving tourists. They were turning right and went into the path of a truck – I wonder if they were looking in the wrong direction when they turned? They had only been here in NZ a couple of days.

Waikato truck collision: American tourists perish in crash
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March 12, 2015 11:01am
Inandout

Fraggle: There is room for these type of men, our immigration criteria sees to that. Those already embedded here would number in their hundreds.
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March 12, 2015 11:10am
waikatosinger

Thinking about those three school ‘bullies’ who apparently
tormented another kid after putting a paper bag over his
head and claiming to be affiliated with ISIS; does anyone
know the ethnicities of the kids involved?

How is that relevant? Well if, for instance, the victim was Jewish
and the bullies were from one of our new Muslim ethnic
communities ….

But surely our news media would tell us if that was the case!

… oh really?
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March 12, 2015 11:10am
Manolo

Traitorous academia, the enemy within: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/03/11/professors-us-flag-symbolizes-racism-should-not-be-displayed-on-campus/

A group of university professors has signed a letter showing their solidarity with students who tried to ban the American flag at the University of California, Irvine – because they said Old Glory contributes to racism.

“U.S. nationalism often contributes to racism and xenophobia, and that the paraphernalia of nationalism is in fact often used to intimidate,” read a letter obtained by the website Campus Reform.
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March 12, 2015 11:17am
IGM

Interesting to see Teachers’ Council condones “P” addict teaching young children. Thank God for alternative educators, these unionised drones are on borrowed time.
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March 12, 2015 11:25am
Fraggle

Inandout, thanks, yes I am aware of that. And the very misguided Professor Alexander Gillespie thinks we should happily let in more.
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March 12, 2015 11:27am
Manolo

An absence of trust: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102495867
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March 12, 2015 11:30am
EAD

French army to remain in permanent deployment to combat Islamic terrorism:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-11/militarization-french-streets-not-temporary

This is no way to live with armed military patrolling the streets like some 3rd world shithole – the problem I see though is this has no end in sight.

Must we live in a constant state of terror alert?
Must we be constantly checking our language so that we don’t “cause offence”
Must we live in violent societies in gated communities?

And at what point do we say all this colourful and vibrant (don’t ya just love that phrase) diversity inflicted on in every single Western Country has been the biggest betrayal of the citizenship by the political elite….. in the course of history.

How did this situation happen? I don’t recall any electorate ever, anywhere, asking for this.

“If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.” – George Orwell
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March 12, 2015 11:34am
cricko

Jeez, seems types like G152 and stephieboi are going to be gutted when Lundy is re convicted and sent back to
where he belongs for committing one of the most disgusting and selfish crimes in our history.

These staunch apologist members of Lundys fan club can even twist themselves to the extent they can explain
away Lundy having his wifes brains on his shirt.
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March 12, 2015 11:45am
publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwibloggers – especially any who live in Northland!

Got any hard questions you want to put to your future MP?

Here’s your chance!

Winston Peters

‪#‎ForceForTheNorth‬ will be here today…

Thursday 12 March:
Kawakawa, Meet & Greet and Walkabout – Midday
Waipu – 2pm
Maungaturoto – 4pm
Wellsford, Meet the Candidates Debate, Wellsford Community Centre – 7pm

___________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Just sharing information – in a friendly. caring way, as one does on Kiwiblog 🙂

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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March 12, 2015 11:47am
stephieboy

EAD, Ugly Truth, Reid etc,

Did Russian citizen and former GRU colonel Igor Girkin/Strelkov admit to shooting down MH17 in a vk.com post?

http://www.quora.com/Did-Russian-citizen-and-former-GRU-colonel-Igor-Girkin-Strelkov-admit-to-shooting-down-MH17-in-a-vk-com-post,

Quora User, From 0 to 30 in Russia.
2 upvotes by Daniil Demchenko and Randy McDonald.

Well, that key post, presuming it is genuine, states the following:
– he claims they shot Antonov An-26 and possibly Su-25. (Neither plane can fly at 10k. Not sure what that means)
– near Torez (that fits – although it was reported that MH-17 was shot near Shahtarsk, the town of Torez is actually closer to the crash site)
– lying near underground mine “Progress”. (That is the name of the mine in Torez. The crash site is not that close to it, although closer than to Torez town centre. There are closer landmarks)
– went down behind a waste pile (there is (obviously) a waste pile near the mine, however in relation to the mine the pile is nearly on the opposite side from the crash site. There is a forest between the mine and the crash site. Not sure what that means)
– that they were warning (presumably the opposite side) not to fly over them. No that is a treasure trove of admissions. First, he nearly admits that they had something more powerful than a shoulder-fired missile. Second, he says that the other side was informed on that matter.

That’s what the snapshot says, cross-referenced against Google Maps. Considering the person in question was not a witness of the actual event, the discrepancies can possibly be explained – although there clearly are some.

Wikipedia has the coordinates of the crash site. Follow South-South-West over the forest and some houses of Torez to find the mine. The waste pile is to the West of it.

The above post sums up things succinctly with a “treasure trove “of admissions by former GRU colonel Igor Girkin/Strelkov . Do note how he posted than removed his Facebook page about his admissions .
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March 12, 2015 12:01pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go Colville – this may assist you?

It’s a Press Release I put out on 3 November 2011, when I stood against John Banks in Epsom, (electorally not arguably, my finest hour – in terms of votes – but again I used the electoral process to ‘make a fuss’ about the issues) :

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1111/S00095/wheres-nationals-corporate-welfare-reform.htm

Where’s National’s ‘corporate welfare’ reform?
Thursday, 3 November 2011, 5:28 pm
Press Release: Penny Bright

PRESS RELEASE: Independent Candidate for Epsom Penny Bright:

“How many billion$ of public monies could be saved by ‘CUTTING OUT THE CONTRACTORS’?

3 November 2011

Where’s National’s ‘corporate welfare’ reform?

Which of the maor political parties are pushing for ‘corporate welfare’ reform and shrinking the long-term dependency of the private sector on our public monies?

Where is the ‘devilish detail’ at both local and central government level – which shows EXACTLY where our public rates and taxes are being spent on private sector consultants and contractors?

Why aren’t the names of the consultant(s)/ contrators(s) – the scope, term and value of these contracts, published in Council or central government Annual Reports – so this information on the spending of OUR public monies is available for public scrutiny?

Where are the publicly-available ‘Registers of Interests’ for those local government elected representatives, and staff responsible for property and procurement, in order to help guard against possible ‘conflicts of interest’ between those who ‘give’ the contracts and those who ‘get’ the contracts?

Where’s the ‘transparency’?

Given that New Zealand is ‘perceived’ to be the least corrupt country in the world – along with Denmark and Singapore, according to Transparency International’s 2010 ‘Corruption Perception Index – shouldn’t we arguably be the most transparent?

Going back a step – where are the New Zealand ‘cost-benefit’ analyses which prove that the old ‘Rogernomic$ mantra – public is bad – private (contracting) is good’ can be substantiated by FACTS and EVIDENCE?

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Mind you Colville, I can understand that if you’ve got YOUR ‘private snout’ in the ‘public trough’ at either local or central government level, and it’s a good little (or large) earner – you may not want to remove it any time soon?

Follow the dollar …….

PS: Where do YOU stand on transparency regarding Council spending on private sector consultants or contractors Colville?

Just asking ………….

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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March 12, 2015 12:03pm
stephieboy

criko, I believe there was a misunderstanding about my OP. One Rowan appeared to be suggesting that the brain tissue belonging to Christine found on Lundy’s clothing proves nothing,

“Even if this is Christine Lundys brain tissue, is it that surprising that his partners DNA is on his shirt… “?

It seems a rather facile comment . Brain tissue ?.

I remarked that this brain tissue occoured by ‘innocent transfer ” alluding to the Defence’s claim in 2009 that Stephen’s blood found on David Bain ‘s clothing could be by “innocent transfer “.

Another fatuous claim IMO .

Regret the confusion !
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March 12, 2015 12:14pm
waikatosinger

Penny,

Pay your rates! I’m sick of your pathetic excuses. You are
just a freeloading parasite leaching off everyone else.

Pay your rates! Most of us don’t agree with everything the
council does. But we pay our rates because it is the law and
because it is our obligation and responsibility to do so. And if
we don’t like what the council is doing then we use the
democratic process to do something about it.

Pay your rates! And spare us your sanctimonious excuses

… a determined stand in refusing to pay Auckland Council rates …

what rubbish.

Pay your rates! You are just a bludging deadbeat who refuses to
pull her weight. You have a lot of nerve coming here and mouthing
off at the rest of us who are paying our rates; and who are also
paying for YOUR rubbish to be collected and YOUR shit to be treated
because you refuse to pay for it yourself. Pay for your own shit!

Pay your rates!
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March 12, 2015 12:28pm
publicwatchdog

Sheesh!

Some of those ‘THICK PILLS’ a couple of you seem to be taking today must be extraordinarily strong?

Ok – let me help you – the best that I can with your apparent ‘wilful thickness’ – which is a variant of ‘wilful BLINDNESS’, in my view 🙂

Political ‘spin-doctoring’, as I understand it, is ALL about ‘perception … perception …. perception…’

So – how do you ‘transmogrify’ John Key, an ex- Wall Street banker, an ex-Foreign Exchange Advisor on the New York Federal Reserve, the former Head of Derivatives for Merrill Lynch – someone who is clearly a member of the corporate 1%, looking after the interests of the corporate 1%, into someone who is electorally ‘palatable’ to the ordinary Kiwi 99%?

Your highly skilled ‘spin doctors’ – Crosby Textor, as I understand it, focus on turning John Key into an ‘ordinary bloke’, and get him out there, in the public domain, meeting and greeting, mixing and mingling, with as many ‘ordinary’ Kiwis as possible.

So that the PERCEPTION is that John Key, an ex- Wall Street banker, an ex-Foreign Exchange Advisor on the New York Federal Reserve, the former Head of Derivatives for Merrill Lynch – someone who is clearly a member of the corporate 1%, looking after the interests of the corporate 1% – is REALLY an ordinary Kiwi bloke, interested in ordinary Kiwis, and doing the best for New Zealand, and working on behalf of the 99% – sort of thing …

Pity about the reality.

In my view, that carefully cultivated political image, and YEARS of crafted political ‘spin-doctoring’ – just got flushed, like political poo straight down the loo, with that DISASTROUS ‘photo opportunity’ which proved that John Key couldn’t bang a single nail into a piece of wood.

The Leader of this country of DIY Kiwis, proud and capable, who can make stuff and solve problems with Number 8 fencing wire , couldn’t hammer ONE single nail into a piece of wood.

bugger ….

How on earth can we distract the NZ public to the fact that they’ve effectively (in my opinion), been sold a political ‘pup’ – as it were?

DISTRACTION!?

Create a crisis – which is not just ISIS – perhaps?

What will scare the sh*t out of the public?

(Particularly those of the voting variety?)

hmmmm …….

It is something that I for one have observed – that ‘desperate people do desperate things’?
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Just saying Kiwibloggers 🙂

Isn’t ‘freedom of expression’ just WONDERFUL?

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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March 12, 2015 12:35pm
publicwatchdog

Are YOU an Auckland Council citizen and ratepayer WAIKATOsinger?

You appear to profoundly ignorant about the issues?

Perhaps you’re just a Waikato ‘sheep’ – it appears that way to me.

A very thin (gutless) Waikato sheep – perchance?

Just saying ….

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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March 12, 2015 12:40pm
Lance

Not my cup of tea (so to speak) but I am bloody impressed with TopShop

How did a clothing store get so much attention that opening one in NZ gets national news coverage and people crawling over broken glass to get to it?

Slick marketing and image management I imagine.
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March 12, 2015 12:48pm
Gulag1917

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI5_pMvLZd8#t=176
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March 12, 2015 12:54pm
wiseowl

waikatosinger.
Have to say using the democratic process gets nowhere when it comes to local government.
They are a law unto themselves.
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March 12, 2015 12:55pm
howitis

Is not Public Penny a qualified Welder?

Damn those tradies!!
Damn them!!
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March 12, 2015 1:00pm
graham

Sheesh! Penny (at 12:35 pm) does seem to be rather fixated on ONE NAIL.

And carefully ignoring the inconvenient FACTS that don’t suit her agenda.

Still … I guess that’s what you have to do when you don’t have the FACTS to back up your rhetoric.

Hope you’re having a LOVELY day Penny … I certainly am! 🙂 Oh, and thanks for reading my posts and taking the time to reply to them …
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you’ve MADE MY DAY! 🙂
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March 12, 2015 1:01pm
Andrei

“Who do you think you are kidding, Mr Junker?”

That has to be the quote of the week 🙂
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March 12, 2015 1:02pm
renderer

Penny is this the problem?

“”People don’t like to think. If one thinks, one must reach conclusions. Conclusions are not always pleasant.”

—Attributed to Helen Keller (possibly erroneously)
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March 12, 2015 1:03pm
wikiriwhis business

“NEW WORLD ORDER / WORLD WAR II / CONSPIRACY ”

Stephieboy,

Joe Biden, Obama and now Gordon Brown have all announced publically the NWO.
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March 12, 2015 1:09pm
Sofia

Penny – Where are the publicly-available ‘Registers of Interests’ for those local government elected representatives, and staff responsible for property and procurement, in order to help guard against possible ‘conflicts of interest’ between those who ‘give’ the contracts and those who ‘get’ the contracts?

This is the potion of law that has just let Penny off the hook –
Local Government (Rating) Act 2002 –
Section 45 (1, g) the activities or groups of activities of the local authority that will be funded from each rate

As you can see “where the money goes” is supposed to appear on the rates assessment and [by another section] on the rates invoice.

The current AUCKLAND TRANSPORT CONTRACT INFORMATION pdf is 5 pages of A4
There are eight COEs, so perhaps records for all would be around 40 pages of A4
Which legally should come with each rate-payers rates assessment form AND rates invoice.

This however does not supply the ‘Registers of Interests’ for those local government elected representatives, which Penny seeks to examine for ‘conflicts of interest’ and hence any corrupt dealings.

Apart from letting Penny off at the moment, the court case technicality is a waste of time, money and paper if it requires sending the information to all rate payers when it is not even what Penny needs.
The Act should be altered by Government and the information made available elsewhere [like the Auckland Council websites]

The separate publicly-available ‘Registers of Interests’ for those local government elected representatives, as Penny refers to above, is another matter.
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March 12, 2015 1:11pm
stephieboy

wiki, they have not announced no such thing especially in the context you mean .

But go ahead quote mine, take out of context and distort as much as you like in true Conspiracy theorist fashion .
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March 12, 2015 1:14pm
wikiriwhis business

“wiki, they have not announced no such thing especially in the context you mean . ”

youtube – Joe Biden announces NWO
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March 12, 2015 1:18pm
TheContrarian

The NWO has been announced and coming for decades now. Still no sign of it
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March 12, 2015 1:21pm
UglyTruth

The NWO is a secular order, you wouldn’t notice it if you are an atheist.
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March 12, 2015 1:29pm
publicwatchdog

Being a good sport /bloke there Graham 🙂

Good on you.

Well – it’s been fun – as always Kiwibloggers, but I’ve got others to upset now…

You all continue to have a LOVELY day 🙂

Kind regards

Her Warship 😉

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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March 12, 2015 1:30pm
Colville

Penny @ 12.03

Thanks for the vacuous reprinted rant.

Where is your evidence that using contractors is more expensive?

Your previous comment , 9.26 , shows that you have zero idea of how a council works either with or without contractors.

Please, just for once get a fucking clue!

and maybe answer my direct question, but I know you wont. Chickenshit.

Kind regards,

The guy with far better trad quals than you that hasnt worked in the trade since July of 2007.
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March 12, 2015 1:31pm
stephieboy

wiki,

The Joe Biden video analysed and how actually far removed his references to NWO are from your secret cabals of elites taking over and rule the rule the world of your fancies,

“The first reference comes at roughly two minutes and 33 seconds into the video, when Biden uses the phrase to describe how, after World War II, “we knew that institutions and rules were needed to navigate through this New World Order.” In that context, Biden is referring not to a global set of governing institutions, but rather a spontaneously emerging global state of affairs that demanded the creation of such institutions. Biden cites three such institutions in the speech shortly afterwards – namely, the World Trade Organization (WTO), the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT), though he does not identify them explicitly with the “New World Order,” though given that at least one is explicitly identified with the Bretton Woods system, it probably would not take conspiracy theorists long to make that link……

With that said, this first reference seems unlikely to be a conspiracy dog whistle. Why? Because Biden references transparency in government and business as essential norms in post-war America, despite the fact that such a concept would damage a conspiracy, seeing as the very nature of conspiracies is that they are radically non-transparent. Moreover, given that he uses the phrase to describe an implicitly anarchic state of affairs prior to the creation of the institutions that conspiracy theorists frequently identify with one world government, it seems unlikely that he meant the phrase as a dog whistle in this context…..”

His second reference is the one went viral so unarmored conspiracy theorists like you ,

“So is Biden calling for one world government in this section? A cursory reading would suggest he’s hinting that direction, given that he suggests that the presumptively international institutions of the previous section need to be “strengthened.” Certainly, increasing their power would be implicit in that idea. However, given the context of the rest of the speech, even this passage is less alarming than it first looks.

To begin with, Biden spends the rest of the speech not calling for global action, but specifically calling for American action, and discussing the benefits of increased international competition over resources that will accrue specifically to America. In other words, the speech is specifically internationalist in its focus, and treats the entire world as a sphere of specifically American political power. This is interventionist, but not conspiratorial, as Biden does not call for global elites or some other rarefied group to lead the way, but rather for America as a whole to lead the way.

Moreover, Biden spends a large chunk of the speech extolling the benefits of competition between countries, which would seem to be flatly at odds with a one world government approach, seeing as under a one world government, the existence of separate countries would be nullified. It should also be noted that competition would be at odds with a socialist system, which frequently is what one world government conspiracy theorists associate with such a state of affairs.
“We Americans, we welcome competition,” Biden says 12 minutes into the speech, while discussing trade agreements. “It’s stamped into our DNA. It’s not a problem. It is not a problem. Period.”

Also, whereas conspiracy theories tend to assume that those engaged in the conspiracy are interested in the creation of a complacent populace that will not think to challenge their globalist masters, Biden praises American schools for doing precisely the opposite of this.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/07/rumor-check-biden-endorses-new-world-order/
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March 12, 2015 1:35pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth ,

with his special powers of deep “religious “insights and knowledge that elude us mere ” steeples ”

Ah yes,when with this NWO actually arrive when the secret cabals will take over and enslave us all ?
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March 12, 2015 1:37pm
UglyTruth

It’s already happened. You call it democracy.
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March 12, 2015 2:00pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth, and this NWO “democracy” that personally enslaves and torments you ?
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March 12, 2015 2:48pm
flipper

graham (2,364 comments) says:

March 12th, 2015 at 1:01 pm

Sheesh! Penny (at 12:35 pm) does seem to be rather fixated on ONE NAIL.

And carefully ignoring the inconvenient FACTS that don’t suit her agenda.

Still … I guess that’s what you have to do when you don’t have the FACTS ….,

*****
Sheesh…. those Northland buggers are not well organised.
In my Electorate National does not use hammers. I have two Paslode nail guns …use one myself to put signs up, and loan the other to another crew.

Memo JK, PG, WE…. et al ….

“Use a Paslode……. …90mm bright steel will suffice.”

Penny..,.,. you and some MSM jerks think you are funny7. You are…screwed in the head funny. F*** Off
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March 12, 2015 2:56pm
Nostradamus

Tinfoil hat sale! Bargains galore – ask us about our “two for one” special! Grab your very own tinfoil hat before ~~the world ends~~ we sell out completely!
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March 12, 2015 2:59pm
Griff

gets worse at every update.
Cyclone pam is still projected to pass just east of east cape.
http://www.metservice.com/warnings/severe-weather-outlook
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March 12, 2015 3:00pm
stigie

If someone is refusing to pay for services……Bloody simple….

Concrete up their dunny and cut off their water supply i say !~
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March 12, 2015 3:18pm
Inandout

The Gweens are now saying they have thousands of documents that ‘prove’ the kauri owner had special treatment. Where do they get these confidential documents from?
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March 12, 2015 3:22pm
Nostradamus

Stigie:

Concrete up their dunny and cut off their water supply i say !~

Are you sure that’s a good idea?

See this High Court decision (which just happened to involve Penny Bright):

The witnesses who gave evidence for the Council in the District Court said that the Occupy protest had had (and would continue to have) the following deleterious effects:
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(e) Anti-social behaviour that was said to have increased over time, including (it was said) unacceptable noise during an event held at the campsite, the smells of alcohol and cannabis, chalked graffiti, urination and defecation around the site, dogs and young children roaming around the campsite, and the shouting of profanities.

Not nice…
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March 12, 2015 3:27pm
Griff

One good thing
if penny still has her house she aint living next door to any of us.
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March 12, 2015 3:30pm
stigie

You are right Nostra, what “right” minded individual would do that to Penny M Bright…..concrete up her dunny and cut her water supply off…?
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March 12, 2015 3:34pm
SPC

Heat pumping a city.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-31506073
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