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February 7, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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IGM

Had reason to look at Tv3 last night and was disgusted to hear a painted bimbo referring to our popular and successful PM by his surname, only to be followed by reference to Union Andy (the one even Waitangi attendees ignored) being given the courtesy of “Andrew”. Is it a prerequisite for MSM employment to display ignorance and discourtesy to the PM by referring to him in such fashion. Do these losers not realise the advertisers that keep them in a job have their products supported by those they demean, not the left-wing leeches they are loyal to?
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February 7, 2015 8:01am
nasska

The Canadians have seen the light & their politicians have been given the message. Perhaps our own parliamentarians might find the balls to follow suit.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/canadian-court-rules-in-favour-doctor-assisted-suicide-6229478
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February 7, 2015 8:02am
flipper

IGM…

You erred – big time.. There is no reason why any SANE person would watch TV3. 🙂

But you correctly raise the smart arse attitude of all current NZ media, of which Vance and the electronic mob are the worst. n Can you imagine the White House Press Corps referring to BO as “Obama”. The hell they would.
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February 7, 2015 8:10am
SPC

The BBC is claiming that an American female hostage has been killed in an air strike by Jordan on Raqqa, the basis for their news story to this effect, IS claimed this happened.

This after the female prisoner in Jordan they wanted released was killed in response to their pilot burning video.

Huge coincidences.

More likely IS is lying.
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February 7, 2015 8:11am
publicwatchdog

Does big business want Tony Abbott gone as Leader?

Penny Bright
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February 7, 2015 8:12am
Chuck Bird

HIV child: Court fight as dad rejects therapy

Exclusive: Health board seeks guardianship after father says treatment worse than virus, which he insists boy, 9, doesn’t have

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11397924

This is the result of allowing an HIV+ mother to immigrate to NZ.

The boy is now 9. It hard to say how long ago the family immigrated how.

Why were they not tested for HIV?

I quote from the AIDS Foundation.

Mr Robinson said the critical decision for clinicians and patients was the point at which medication was required. This is decided by monitoring the white blood cells that are a critical part of the immune system.

When to tell a child he or she was HIV positive was decided between family and doctors. It was a balance between managing a life-long disease and protecting a child from prejudice.

Mr Robinson said there were a mix of different reactions to an HIV diagnosis. “Quite often, people will go into denial.”

The AIDS Foundation should but out. The health of the child in this case children as his sister also has HIV should come ahead of consideration of prejudice. The sister is older and could all ready be sexually active so the health of the public should be a major factor.

Even telling the children they are HIV+ does not adequately protect the public as someone who knows they are HIV+ positive has no legal obligation to tell their sexual partners provided they use a condom. This law should change.
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February 7, 2015 8:14am
Sofia

Penny, yesterday morning, Waitangi Day, Reid commented
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/02/general_debate_6_february_2015.html/comment-page-1#comment-1474233
and gave a link which you may find interesting –
http://laudafinem.com/2015/02/03/mike-sabin-smoke-mirrors-and-the-tarring-of-an-internationally-renowned-kiwi-born-author-what-was-really-behind-it-all/
This may be the reference you made to lauda finem recently, or it may contain more if you read the whole item,
especially the second half.
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February 7, 2015 8:17am
publicwatchdog

IGM – do keep up you old silly billy 🙂

Auckland Council CEO Stephen Town has backed off trying to force the rating sale of my freehold home.

I’m sure you’ll be thrilled to hear that! 😉

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 7, 2015 8:18am
Pete George

Which 3 News item was that Ian?

This is the one I saw: John Key wants flag change to be his legacy

Surely getting a decent flag is of a lot more interest than how the politicians are addressed, but for the record in this item:

the Prime Minister x 1
John Key x 1
Mr Key x 6
“So Key’s view will technically count for no more than anybody else’s” x 1

Andrew Little x 1
Mr Little x 1

No sign of any ‘display ignorance and discourtesy to the PM’ there.

And only common sense from Andrew Little:

And Labour’s new leader Andrew Little says he wants much more than a new flag and revealed he is a Republican.

“I believe that at some stage we should have our own head of state that comes from New Zealand,” says Mr Little.

Little is right, it’s only a matter of time before we have our own head of state.
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February 7, 2015 8:19am
stephieboy

flipper, rather surprised at your ctritcms of MSM TV 3 since its at the forefront of promoting David Bain’s “innocence .”

I don’t the Prime Minister is loosing sleep over the niceties of address etiquette that medua may or may not choose to follow ..The US president will also be aware that there are elements in the US media who choose not to be guided by any standards of address etiquette towards him.
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February 7, 2015 8:21am
Nukuleka

So John Key has told Maori at Waitangi that he is going to consult Maori about the design of our new flag. Just what do you mean by ‘consulting’ Maori, which Maori will you be consulting and when will you be doing this, John?

Will you be getting Maori input into the 4 designs that the ‘independent’ committee will be selecting? Or will you be getting Maori input into the final design chosen by the referendum? Or must each of the 4 designs chosen have a Maori motif. Or is it after the referendum that will you be consulting Maori?

And which Maori will you be consulting? What about my grand-daughter who is half Tongan, 1/3rd European and maybe 1/6th Maori? Will she get ‘consulted’? Does this mean that Maori will be consulted more than any other racial group in New Zealand? So many questions and so many answers to be given, John.

I have said all along that this flag issue will end in tears and I fear that John Key is doing all he can to ensure that I am proven correct.
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February 7, 2015 8:28am
calendar girl

UK Labour-run Council (in Rotheram) tries to shut down UKIP’s Nigel Farage: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-31163189 .

Seems that it should have been taking more notice of “child sexual exploitation in the town”.
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February 7, 2015 8:29am
EAD

Multi-Cultural England: Are You Feeling The Progressive Diversity Yet?

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/06/multi-cultural-england-are-you-feeling-the-progressive-diversity-yet/

“Take a quick shufti at the all welcome, multi-culti, hail-fellow-well-met, step right in, pull up a pew and make yourself at home England you may have been lucky enough to have grown up in.

What better time to pause and reflect as we celebrate 800 years of the primacy of Magna Carta; exult in its written guarantees that curb the power of authoritarian rule, define the limits on taxation, ensure the right to trial by jury and guarantee the rule of law for all. No exceptions. We’re rubbing along quite nicely, don’t you think? Or not. Depends on where you’re looking and how you feel about the conceit of state-imposed multiculturalism.

……..

And people wonder why UKIP is doing so well in the polls.”
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February 7, 2015 8:35am
EAD

Reading the “top-rated” comments, it looks like the Brits are finally working out what is going on:

“The disastrous social experiment forced on the British people is going to lead to a tragedy similar to the Balkans and the break up of Yugoslavia, the deliberate importation of alien and utterly hostile cultures while crushing concerns with hysterical accusations and smears.

The likely aim? Smashing and destroying the cultural and social fabric of the nation state in order to create a new order based on internationalism and a new world order. National institutions infiltrated and ruined from within, trust in the law and justice destroyed, inducing guilt and shame at our history and traditions.

What is happening is part of a very determined conspiracy by the establishment cartel elites to prepare the way for a future without nation states, there is no other way of understanding what is happening and the methods involved, our shared house is being brought down from within by traitors engaged in a Common Purpose to impose an utterly degenerate evil and perverted new world order.

The forces of darkness believe they can and will triumph, they will inherit a wasteland but as long as they can plant their flag on the ruins they will feel it a price worth paying.”
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February 7, 2015 8:36am
Pete George

“So John Key has told Maori at Waitangi that he is going to consult Maori about the design of our new flag.”

So he should. As he will ensure everyone else is consulted with. So we can make an informed choice. A good way to decide democratically, isn’t it.
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February 7, 2015 8:40am
publicwatchdog

Thank you Sofia – yes – that was the Lauda Finem article to which I was referring.

NOT a good look for (part time) Prime Minister John Key, particularly now that Police Commissioner Bush has gone public saying that the Police DID follow the ‘no surprises’ policy, regarding their investigation of Mike Sabin?

Surely it beggars belief that John Key WASN’T informed of the Police investigation of (then) National MP for Northland prior to the 2014 election, and prior to the selection of Mike Sabin as Chair of the Law and Order Select Committee?

Seriously?

Looks like John Key is going to get REAMED on this issue at Question Time in the House!

However, as I keep saying, how can the public expect the ‘highest ethical standards’ from a (part time) Prime Minister, whose moral compass, in my opinion, is stuck on Wall Street?

I predict that when the tide of public opinion turns against John Key on this issue – then it will potentially dwarf Tony Abbott’s decision to give a knighthood to a member of the Royal family on Australia Day?

If it’s true that the allegations against (former) National MP Mike Sabin are that he is under Police investigation for purported crimes that involve small children – how well is THAT going to go down with ‘Mum and Dad’ New Zealanders?

Good luck with THAT ‘turd polishing’!

‘One day you’re the rooster – next you’re the feather duster’?

(Ask Tony Abbott – on Tuesday?)

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 7, 2015 8:44am
Pete George

I’ve just heard one of my grandson’s being asked what Waitangi Day means.

“It’s about the Maori and some other country….”

So I asked him where England is on the globe.

“It’s around the top I think.” He’s still looking for it.
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February 7, 2015 8:45am
Nukuleka

Pete George:

Yes indeed, we are all to be consulted through two referenda- and maybe the flag design committee may even give us all a say in the choice of the 4 designs. That is democracy. But if we are all to be consulted equally in this way then why did John Key feel the need to tell those at Waitangi that he will specifically ‘consult’ Maori. This indicates to me- and I have no doubt it did to those present- that there is also to be a ‘consultation’ with Maori over and above the referenda in which all New Zealanders will be able to make their views known. That is not democracy; it is giving one group of New Zealanders more say than others.

You are being deliberately obtuse, I fear. What a surprise.
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February 7, 2015 8:50am
Dennis Horne

Nukuleka: I have said all along that this flag issue will end in tears

Surely not with modern cloth? 🙂

Note. Pete George for head of stake…
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February 7, 2015 8:52am
Inandout

calendar girl: Ah yes, the Rotherham Effect, where you get a council stacked with ethnics who allow their own to get away with running ‘white meat’ markets for sex starved Pakistani males (they can’t touch their own females pre marriage). Non Pakistani Rotherham councilors were hide bound by the ‘racist’ word, for years cowardly allowing these rapes to occur. In a rough comparison in our beloved Super City we have weak councilors who allow the Mayor to push through starkly racist legislation on the basis that any criticism is seen as racist. Bastards.
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February 7, 2015 8:54am
minus

Penny Bright, Whaleoil moderator writes –
There is a court order suppressing the answers to all of those questions. We are not allowed to talk about it, because if you accidentally guess some of it right, even when you don’t know it, the law will still consider you have breached the suppression order.
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2015/02/police-remove-themselves-from-sabin-time-line-debacle/#disqus_thread

Be careful what you say 🙂
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February 7, 2015 8:56am
stephieboy

EAD, plenty of keyboard critics of the multicultural diversity experiment disaster like Breibart and you.

I think what’s needed is from you and others more about solutions to the issue such as the fate of our own multicultural communities ?

What do you exactly want done in this respect ?

Go for it !
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February 7, 2015 9:00am
RF

IGM. 8.01am.

Looks like you have been sucker punched. You should know better than bad mouth the left when Angry Andrews new best friend is monitoring this site.

Naughty boy…..
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February 7, 2015 9:09am
Michael

I see DPF got a mention in Duncan Garner’s opinion piece in this mornings Dompost.
Back in 1996 Garner and a girlfriend ended up “rolling around” on the floor of a junior cabinet minister’s office in Bowen House after a National Party “caucus event” [code for boozy night]. It was late , the lights were on, but it was dark outside . Garner couldn’t see out so he was lulled into a false sense of security.
When he arrived at work the next day his boss Linda Clark pulled him aside and laughed in his face. ” Garner” she cried, “I know everything”. How could she possibly have known what I got up to last night, thought Garner. There was no social media then, cellphones didn’t send photos and the internet barely worked.
But it turned out she got a phone call from Parliament’s chief pigeon, David Farrar. He knew everyone, according to Garner,and news travelled fast and he couldn’t wait to tell his boss.
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February 7, 2015 9:10am
dime

Lol for future labour candidate pete George, common sense is whatever he believes in.

How could anyone think differently to pg? Do they not have common sense?

They are probably just being pissy..

Give me strength
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February 7, 2015 9:10am
holysheet

Following on from yesterdays water discussion
I have water storage at my factory. 180,000 litres, because the local council couldn’t guarantee me supply. The tanks fill up from the roof. Good fresh FREE water.
Just down the road the warehouse have a big huge distribution center. About 10-15 times the size of my place. They are not allowed to collect the water off their roof because it would deprive the waikato river of its water…..

I kid you not.
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February 7, 2015 9:20am
wreck1080

“Female American aid worker, 26, held hostage by ISIS for 18 months has been ‘killed in Jordanian air strike’

Sadly, this is probably a mercy given ISIS tendency to burn hostages alive now.
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February 7, 2015 9:20am
Sir Leslie Bottocks

http://laudafinem.com

that’s a top website Sofia!

http://laudafinem.com/2015/01/30/oh-dear-yet-another-prominent-new-zealander-gets-name-suppression-and-as-always-the-pm-knows-nothing/

who are the 5?

suggestions, anyone?
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February 7, 2015 9:20am
Fraggle

Australia creates new export commodity… Green Party Leaders.

How is it possible the UK one is pottier than Russell?

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-31111252
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February 7, 2015 9:28am
cricko

If Maori are going to be granted “Sovereignty” as Little Angry Andy suggests then
why the need to consult them at all regarding our flag ?

They can have their own flag.

And their own social welfare system too come to think of it.
They can pay into it and they can be the beneficiaries of it too, Good luck to them.
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February 7, 2015 9:42am
publicwatchdog

Here’s another VERY interesting Lauda Finem post – if you’re into ‘dot-joining’……

http://laudafinem.com/2010/07/18/john-jamieson-the-undertaker/

John Jamieson – The Undertaker

JULY 18, 2010 BY LAUDAFINEM 1 COMMENT

John Jamieson’s appointment as the head of the New Zealand Catholic Churches National Office for Professional Standards (prof.standards@xtra.co.nz) was not surprising. The media reports were quick to point out that Jamieson is not a Catholic; an attempt to imply true independence. Jamieson of course was on the face of it qualified, having been a senior Police officer.

The underlying qualification of interest to the Bishops at the time however would have been far more sinister.

Jamieson had ruled over a particularly corrupt period in the New Zealand Police forces history from 1989 to 1993 as Commissioner and prior to that during the 1980’s as District Commander, Christchurch.

Later revealed was the fact that throughout the 1980’s and early 1990’s Police hierarchy had been complicit in covering up serious misconduct and sexual abuse perpetrated by police officers in Christchurch, Dunedin and Rotorua.

Jamieson and his minions were very successful in burying scandals.

Jamieson additionally oversaw the creation and maintenance of a particularly sick culture in the Christchurch C.I.B. The very same C.I.B that saw the staff in the now infamous Civic Creche case falsely accused and outrageously charged . In the minds of a high percentage of New Zealanders Peter Ellis was wrongly convicted and the investigation tainted by incompetence and misconduct on the part of the investigating Police Officers; all under Jamieson’s watch.

John Jamieson

The fact that Jamieson was not a Catholic, whilst no doubt helpful to the Church in establishing the illusion of independence, has always been totally irrelevant. Jamieson had for many years fostered a very close association with senior clergy, in the past using this access for his own sinister benefit and that of his corrupt subordinates.

The writer’s interest is twofold, having been in a Catholic Institution as a child and the victim of abuse. Secondly, having personal experience of Jamieson’s use of his connections with senior clergy, Bishops Brian Ashby and Denis Hanrahan to thwart efforts to bring an end to the offending of corrupt policeman Constable Stanley Matthew Willcox.

Bishop Brian Ashby
At the time 24 years old and having recently returned from Australia where I had been working towards entering seminary and had decided to train in New Zealand. My reasons were simple I had a strong but naive desire to bring change to the church that was responsible for my own suffering.

……………………………….
____________________________________________________________________________________________

Who was the Minister of Police during that ” particularly corrupt period in the New Zealand Police forces history from 1989 to 1993′ … “?

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 7, 2015 9:49am
Mr_Blobby

@ Holysheet

“Good fresh FREE water.”

Is banned by Auckland Council. It is the freshest water available, but it is only allowed to be used for watering the garden and flushing toilets.

Unless you live in an area that they do not supply, then it is perfectly adequate.

I did look at putting in a rainwater tank to supplement the Council supply and as an emergency back up if there supply failed for some reason.

Look at stonefileds development in Mt Wellington Council objected to there recycling of rain water for garden use and had it disconnected.
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February 7, 2015 9:51am
simpleton1

Further problems in Birmingham, particularly when you see the photo of some protesters. Seems like using “islamphobia” and “racism” has side effects.

Interesting debate as why the state is forced to redefine and narrow free speech.

http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/features-january-february-2015-great-betrayal-liberals-appease-islam-nick-cohen-the-left
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February 7, 2015 9:51am
IGM

public dog: You deserve everything awaiting you, starting with Banks’ defamation proceedings against you and your confidant.
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February 7, 2015 9:53am
OneTrack

IGM – “Is it a prerequisite for MSM employment to display ignorance and discourtesy to the PM by referring to him in such fashion.”

Yep, I think it is in their employment contract and they have KPIs on it. Apart from that, they have probably already been to a few BBQs at “Andrews” place already. To meet the new boss.
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February 7, 2015 9:55am
nasska

I wonder at the sub morons climbing into JK for staying tight lipped about (former) MPs facing police investigations. Has it occurred to any of the meatheads that any statements our PM makes could be used in court to argue that an accused could not get a fair trial because of advanced publicity?

While I’m all for us abolishing the farce of name suppression & allowing full publicity such as serves the USA well, so long as we’re stuck with the dog of a system that protects miscreants more than victims then everyone including parliamentarians has to mind what they say.

Imagine a mythical case where a suspected sex offender or similar got off because of something JK said…..Penny Bright & her scum MSM mates would go troppo!
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February 7, 2015 9:56am
Harriet

Here’s a great old one by the late great Demis Roussos:

My Friend The Wind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7-12iJ8xTM

Here’s his two other great songs [ for the girls ] 😎

Forever and Ever:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3vCB3YBMUo

Goodbye, My Love, Goodbye [the english version]:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmH1vw9oWvQ

This one is good too – but it’s in French – it has background music similar to that of Vangelis – who was actualy in a band called ‘The Idols’ with Demis Rousses in Greece as teenagers. Vangelis is Greek but Roussos – contrary to popular opinion – isn’t – he’s Egyptian. [His mum was Greek and his father Egyptian, and they left Egypt for Greece because they lost all their assets in the Suez Canal Crisis when he was young.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCbvF55VMmY
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February 7, 2015 9:57am
OneTrack

Pete – “Little is right, it’s only a matter of time before we have our own head of state.”

Vive Presidente Clark – what could go wrong.
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February 7, 2015 9:59am
wat dabney

“…this is probably a mercy given ISIS tendency to burn hostages alive now.”

That particularly brutal method of killing was chosen by a campaign on Twitter.

Don’t blame me. I voted to let him off with a caution.
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February 7, 2015 9:59am
OneTrack

Pete – “I’ve just heard one of my grandson’s being asked what Waitangi Day means.

“It’s about the Maori and some other country….””

Yep, he’s right – that other country is New Zealand.

Interesting that he didn’t think Waitangi Day was anything about him. Like many other tauiwi I guess.
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February 7, 2015 10:04am
Simon

As has been noted elsewhere left wing anger where ever Nigel Farage turns up but complete silence from the same people around State enabled Rotherham sex abuse
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February 7, 2015 10:08am
OneTrack

stephieboy – “I think what’s needed is from you and others more about solutions to the issue such as the fate of our own multicultural communities ?

What do you exactly want done in this respect ?

Go for it !
”

Once more for you, just for luck. Stop importing more of the problem. Stop now.

We have enough kebab shops. We have enough workers in South Auckland market gardens.
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February 7, 2015 10:08am
Sir Leslie Bottocks

Great stuff Harriet!!

But Farrar won’t like it, he’s racist against Greeks.

Demis looks very steamlined in this one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t7ZNkkNdBM
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February 7, 2015 10:09am
Jacob

Hager’s property, seized in the raid on his house prompted by the Slater stolen emails inquiry, still awaits examination because Hager states the seized material also may include work he was preparing on police corruption, so it is inappropriate police examine that material.
What possible police corruption, and why was it not reported to appropriate authorities for action, or is it not of any great consequence after all?
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February 7, 2015 10:09am
Sir Leslie Bottocks

Jacob, you need to go here -> http://laudafinem.com
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February 7, 2015 10:14am
oldpark

See the Labour Party led by their “Angry Andy Troll” an insignificant LITTLE pest is now advocating that Labour Party is all for Apartheid in NZ. Could not believe that a cloth capped union installed Labour Party “leader” would have the gall to even think such an idea for the nation of NZ. Maybe he wants a piece of the “FORTY BILLION DOLLARS MAORI INVESTMENTS” to prop up his inept inane tinpot, bordering on racism party. Little certainly is acting and behaving like a militant trade unionist,desperate for attention,or is it votes, rather than a potential PM.
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February 7, 2015 10:19am
Pete George

Andrew Little supports New Zealand being a republic. DPF more staunchly supports New Zealand being a republic.

According to the logic of some here that would make DPF ‘a future labour candidate’.

Prince Charles looks intelligent in comparison. No wonder they think he’s fit to be their next king.
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February 7, 2015 10:22am
Reid

Isn’t it unsurprising when lefties sell their idealistic souls down the river when they go to work for someone they previously deemed is on the dark side:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/65892248/expensive-skycity-ad-unbelievable

SkyCity spokesman Colin Espiner said the company did not want to highlight the casino and gambling operations.

“What we were looking at was areas of the business that perhaps people didn’t know about, particularly in the hospitality side.”

Yeah right. What you’re really doing Colin in your new profession as a paid liar for the dark side is softening up the opposition to the govt giving Sky more money for the convention centre. Aren’t you. Yet you won’t admit it, will you.

Lefties really have no integrity at all, do they.

Incidentally this is one of those decisions that’s going to contribute to Liarbore’s polling improving and National’s declining as this year rolls by. Joyce would have already come out and said the govt is not going to give them any more, if they’d decided that. But since he hasn’t we can assume they’ve decided the other way, and they’re just waiting for the right moment to announce it.
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February 7, 2015 10:22am
wiseowl

Holysheet.
re water and councils.
For those who wish to use a tank and are told it is too dangerous because of contamination try installing a tankvac.
NZ designed and Aussies love it.
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February 7, 2015 10:26am
Reid

I wonder at the sub morons climbing into JK for staying tight lipped about (former) MPs facing police investigations. Has it occurred to any of the meatheads that any statements our PM makes could be used in court to argue that an accused could not get a fair trial because of advanced publicity?

nasska the issue is when he knew what, that’s completely different from discussing the nature of the allegations against him.

And given the nature of those, it’s possible he’ll get permanent name suppression, which is obviously what Key is banking on to get him off the hook. But he has showed appalling judgement over this, for no reason in particular, in that, he had all the cards, and its him who chose to play them extremely badly.
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February 7, 2015 10:26am
SPC

The BBC is now reporting only that IS “claims” an American hostage was killed by bombing of Raqqa by Jordan, and notes Jordan calls it the sort of lie used by those who would use hostages as shields, and that the claim is simply called unproven by an American spokesperson.
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February 7, 2015 10:27am
simpleton1

Perhaps the dam of the last ten years has developed cracks and the laws are finally being enforced in the UK.
Though the investigations may have been under way for some time, interestingly the arrests are coming now prior to elections and despite protests against some political parties.

http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/news/crime/25-men-charged-with-sexual-offences-against-two-girls-in-calderdale-1-7089705

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/northumbria-police-charged-20-people-8587632

The main media only give scant coverage.
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February 7, 2015 10:29am
OneTrack

Reid – “nasska the issue is when he knew what, ”

And the other issue is – who bloody cares.
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February 7, 2015 10:33am
nasska

Reid

….”nasska the issue is when he knew what, that’s completely different from discussing the nature of the allegations against him.”….

The issues are to all sense & purpose inseparable. If JK had said anything at the time then the MSM (& us) would have joined the dots. This is one case where he had to play his cards very close to his chest.

….”And given the nature of those, it’s possible he’ll get permanent name suppression”……

Entirely possible but rather useless if everyone already knows which is exactly what is happening now. With the campaign currently being mounted by the MSM & a few bloggers there’s every chance of an acquittal. The time for dissection of JK’s actions is after any trial…..not before.
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February 7, 2015 10:41am
stephieboy

One Track, I happen live in Auckland close to a major multicultural community Mt Roskill where Pakehas, Islanders, Maoris, Indians, Pakistanis, Iraqis , Somalis etc Everyone gets on OK.

There’s even a Mosque and a Hindu Temple.

DUH, Ok !

In Mt Eden i Live next door to an Iranian,Indian and Chinese families .Great neigbours ,OK.

Another Hindu Temple .

What next , DUH ?

Now where do you live and who are your neighbours ?
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February 7, 2015 10:43am
Kimbo

@ cricko

If Maori are going to be granted “Sovereignty” as Little Angry Andy suggests then
why the need to consult them at all regarding our flag ?

They can have their own flag.

And their own social welfare system too come to think of it.
They can pay into it and they can be the beneficiaries of it too, Good luck to them.

You could argue the process has already begun – Tuhoe have speial guardianship over the former Te Urewera National Park, and Whanau Ora is designed to give Maori resources and control over the public health initiatives that affect them.

And Kohanga Reo was originally a flax-roots initiative that was later included in the public education system.
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February 7, 2015 10:44am
Manolo

What you get for mingling with some followers of the religion of peace: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2942859/Teenage-Muslim-convert-cleared-stabbing-Asian-boyfriend-death-rows-tight-short-clothing.html
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February 7, 2015 10:45am
Manolo

P.G. never misses an opportunity to prop up his future boss. Way to go, Oracle of the Deep South.
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February 7, 2015 10:48am
Reid

If JK had said anything at the time then the MSM (& us) would have joined the dots. This is one case where he had to play his cards very close to his chest.

nasska he didn’t have to SAY anything. All he needed to DO was to get Sabin to stand down from the Law and Order Select Committee in December for “family reasons” or some other bollocks and Sabin could have handled that himself. And if he tried to do that and Sabin refused then and only then should he have stepped in and fired him and he could have done it in the same way, making up some excuse.

The issue is, Key has bungled this, badly. Then he exacerbated his bungling by making an entirely unprovoked comment a week ago to the effect Sabin was on the fast track to be a minister, leaping him over various other more experienced MP’s. Key didn’t have to say that, he could have said nothing at all, but he did. And that’s even worse than not standing him down from the committee in December.

And NONE of that bungling was caused by the nature of the issue Sabin is facing. As in, just because Sabin is facing what he is facing, that DOES NOT MEAN that Key’s hand were tied and he was forced to act in the way he has over this. THAT IS NOT THE CASE.
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February 7, 2015 10:50am
wiseowl

Ahh Stephieboy. Now I know whats wrong with you.
You live in Auckland.
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February 7, 2015 10:54am
stephieboy

wiseowl, and your problem is that you live in Night Caps ?

Census of Population and Dwellings, its population is 312, consisting of 168 males and 141 females.

A multicultural hub of Southland ?
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February 7, 2015 11:00am
nasska

Reid

So your bitches about JK are:

1) that he didn’t throw Sabin under the bus after he heard some unsubstantiated accusation.

2) He didn’t force Sabin to bullshit the public.

AND

3) JK didn’t then fire Sabin while lying to the public over the reason for the sacking.

I hope that you are content in your present role & have no ambitions to be a political leader.
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February 7, 2015 11:09am
Inandout

Manolo: What is it about Muslims seeing females as sluts and slags? Talk about a sexually repressed cult.
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February 7, 2015 11:10am
Inandout

stephieboy: Just so long as your Paki neighbour doesn’t go for his airline pilots licence and forget to tell you.
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February 7, 2015 11:13am
Manolo

The vile Islam considers women inferior and as chattels of the husband. Only born to reproduce and bring more males to serve their savage prophet.

Progressive stephieboy will OK because it’s all in the name of his beloved multiculturalism:
http://news.nationalpost.com/2015/02/06/isis-releases-guide-to-womens-rights-stay-in-your-houses-girls-can-marry-at-nine-education-to-age-of-15/

Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant militants have published a manifesto for women living under their rule, including marriage at nine, education to the age of 15, and an escape from the harsh dictates of Western feminism.
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February 7, 2015 11:18am
Reid

Came across this interesting site the other day, it has a section on the Christchurch earthquake, listing the interesting coincidences surrounding it, like the fact we were conducting a big (for us) joint forces exercise just down the road. How convenient. And as anyone who knows about these things also knows, this is precisely what also happened on 911 in the US and 7/7 in the UK as well.

http://www.pseudoreality.org/christchurch_earthquake.html

One thing it doesn’t mention is the actions of the Israeli Ambassador in extricating those Israeli citizens on I think the night it happened. This is of course another coincidence along the lines of the dancing Israelis in 911. Those dancing Israelis of course subsequently stated in a TV interview that they were there to “document the incident” and of course none of the media ever bothered to ask the obvious follow-up question to that admission which is of course, if that was the case, then how the hell did you know it was going to happen?

BTW, even if the galloping roaring mentals like stephie go and look at other areas of the site and proclaim this is complete bullshit, this does not of course change the data that’s on this page I’ve linked to, which speaks for itself and which is easily independently verifiable. That’s called thinking, a process which stephie et al is entirely unfamiliar with. And stephie et al, when you do go and do exactly what I just said you’re going to do, don’t bother to expect me to reply to your idiotic roaring mentalism arising therefrom, will you.

P.S. in the sidebar of that page is a v interesting short 50 page book on Pike River that contains a very interesting allegation about a connection between the iron sands right along the West Coast of both NZ Islands and the Foreshore and Seabed Act repeal. That’s very worthwhile reading too.
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February 7, 2015 11:23am
dime

“Mr Key made it clear changing the flag was his limit as far as a nudge toward republicanism went, describing himself as “the biggest constitutional monarchist you’ll meet”.

“I believe in the Queen as head of state and I don’t think … having a president does anything for us other than being a very expensive exercise, one that wouldn’t work terribly well.””

well thats something..

“obviously JK has no common sense when it comes to this issue” – Pete George, future failed labour candidate.
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February 7, 2015 11:24am
Reid

Reid

So your bitches about JK are:

nasska, do you not understand basic politics? Key has hugged a corpse. When the public learn what Sabin has been accused of they will not understand why Key failed to take any action the instant he knew about it. They will also not understand how Sabin could possibly have been on the fast track to becoming a Minister, almost two months after Key said he became aware of the allegations.

This is not rocket science nasska, it’s politics 101 in fact it’s primer 1 politics. And it’s not something I’ve made up myself it’s simply how politics is played, it’s part of the rules of the game. What about any of this don’t you understand?
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February 7, 2015 11:32am
waikatogirl

Criko: And their own social welfare system too come to think of it.
They can pay into it and they can be the beneficiaries of it too, Good luck to them.

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I am guessing that Maori believe their own sovereignty social welfare would still be paid by NZ taxpayers as is the case now.
How else would they survive 😉
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February 7, 2015 11:40am
Nukuleka

I note over on WO that ‘Pete’ has come out swinging once again to defend and protect Slater. This is becoming a pattern over there. Whenever Slater has one of his melt-downs, this time over his relentless and pointlessly obsessive pursuit of when JK knew about the Sabin affair, either ‘SB’ or ‘Pete’ has to pop up to tell everyone just how right Cam is and try to calm things down. I presume that Slater is in some backroom blubbering over the fact that his own troops don’t much like him playing into the hands of The Standardista and continuing his grudge against JK over his treatment of Judith Collins. Judith should tell Cam to out a sock in it as he is doing her no favours either.
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February 7, 2015 11:41am
dime

Nukuleka – WO will never get over the last election. its when he realised just how expendable he is. national MPs use him as a blunt instrument when needed.
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February 7, 2015 11:44am
Reid

Which thread Nukuleka?
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February 7, 2015 11:47am
publicwatchdog

Nasska – have you overdosed on your THICK pills today???

Seriously?

(Meant of course in a caring, albeit somewhat exasperated way 🙂

If (former) National Party MP for Northland Mike Sabin was being INVESTIGATED BY POLICE – that is surely a SERIOUS matter?

How is that an ‘unsubstantiated allegation’?

And Mike Sabin was made CHAIR of the Law and Order Select Committee?

Give me a break?!

Do have a lovely day – but try hard to avoid repetitive strain injury with your continual ‘turd polishing’ as you keep trying to ‘defend the indefensible’ (in my considered opinion), on this one ….

Still – I understand.

It can’t be easy for our (part time) Prime Minister John Key to lead from the front when it comes to exhibiting (and enforcing) the ‘highest ethical standards’ – when – in my considered opinion, his moral compass is apparently stuck on Wall Street, where compliance with the ‘Rule of Law’ / regulations / ethical and moral standards appear to count for diddley squat – as it were ….

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 7, 2015 11:49am
Jacob

That “Sabin was on the fast track to becoming a Minister” just means “I was so very much convinced he was a good guy, until I found out he wasn’t” or “My endorsement reveals my innocence”
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February 7, 2015 11:54am
hj

stephieboy (4,116 comments) says:
February 7th, 2015 at 9:00 am

EAD, plenty of keyboard critics of the multicultural diversity experiment disaster like Breibart and you.

I think what’s needed is from you and others more about solutions to the issue such as the fate of our own multicultural communities ?

What do you exactly want done in this respect ?

Go for it !
……
http://nzfirst.org.nz/
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February 7, 2015 11:56am
publicwatchdog

IGM – you’re SUCH a funny old silly billy 🙂

Last time I looked – it was John Banks that was back into Court for a retrial – 6 July 2015 – as I recall?

But you keep on just ‘making sh*t up’ IGM – you have NO idea how much it makes my day 🙂

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 7, 2015 11:58am
hj

stephieboy’s usual response to multiculturalisms critics is to suggest that a. there is no other alternative or b. the alternatives are draconian.
The solution is a reasonably self -sufficient (sustainable) nation state rather than one that relies on population growth . It is the business community and his buddy Spoonley who are pushing population growth.
http://www.growthbiasbusted.org/entry/population-needed-to-drive-economy-off-a-cliff
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February 7, 2015 12:00pm
OneTrack

stephieboy – “I happen live in Auckland close to a major multicultural community Mt Roskill where Pakehas, Islanders, Maoris, Indians, Pakistanis, Iraqis , Somalis etc Everyone gets on OK.”

A great big melting pot, and coffee coloured people by the score. Isn’t it wonderful. If it is so wonderful, why do you want to keep importing more?

But, have you polled all your wonderful neighbours whether they would vote for Sharia Law in New Zealand once they have the numbers? And have you had any discussions with them about Muslim taqiyya and what their position is on it. Of course you will need to keep in mind that they may be using taqiyya to justify their responses to you.

Of course, Kiwis are “special” and the problems that all western countries have had overseas when the muslim population got to 2% (only 0.9 % to go) just simply won’t happen here. Because the progressives say it won’t.

Anyway, you asked what we should do about muslims and I gave you a direct, succinct answer. Job done.
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February 7, 2015 12:02pm
publicwatchdog

Jacob – if you need more HANDY HINTS on (part time) Prime Minister John Key political ‘turd polishing’ – I suggest you contact Nasska – given that he(?) seems to have have the proven expertise on that one?

Oh – that could be a wee bit tricky – given that Nasska doesn’t put his (?) name to (his?) posts.

Good luck with that.

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 7, 2015 12:04pm
OneTrack

pwd – “If (former) National Party MP for Northland Mike Sabin was being INVESTIGATED BY POLICE”

Ok, that’s a point. IS Sabin being investigated by police?
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February 7, 2015 12:07pm
renderer

The fact you put your name to the rubbish you post Penny does not give it one iota of credibility. Said in a most caring way you silly billy. Try and keep up.
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February 7, 2015 12:11pm
calendar girl

Penny Bright @ 8:44am – In your personal political vendetta, you appear to be running very close to the wind in respect of Court suppression orders. Unlike Lauda Finem, you do so from within the New Zealand Court’s jurisdiction.

I doubt that there would be much of a defence in your device of presenting questions in lieu of statements. Or in any number of your “in my considered opinion” statements.
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February 7, 2015 12:13pm
hj

stephieboy – “I happen live in Auckland close to a major multicultural community Mt Roskill where Pakehas, Islanders, Maoris, Indians, Pakistanis, Iraqis , Somalis etc Everyone gets on OK.”
…..
A Harvard political scientist finds that diversity hurts civic life. What happens when a liberal scholar unearths an inconvenient truth?
http://www.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity

and don’t say that’s just in America, it is in our genes

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3029708/
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February 7, 2015 12:15pm
publicwatchdog

Seen this Kiwibloggers?

FYI

http://www.kiwisfirst.com/new-zealands-latest-export/

“Justice Lowell Goddard New Zealand’s Latest Export

By Vince Siemer / February 5, 2015

Official comments from the United Kingdom lauding the appointment of New Zealand High Court Justice Lowell Goddard to head an Inquiry into child sexual abuse have legal doyens in New Zealand privately scratching their heads. goddard, lowell

Goddard J scored dead last in the 2014 Judge Survey Results in New Zealand, with many lawyers extremely critical of Lowell’s opportunistic public stances, liberties with the truth and contrarian judgments.

( http://www.kiwisfirst.com/2014-new-zealand-judge-survey-results/ )

But let us not be burdened by the empirical evidence when we should celebrate Home Secretary Theresa May appointing any Kiwi after the first two appointees (Fiona Woolf and Elizabeth Butler-Sloss) crashed and burned. Labour MP Simon Danczuk also released a statement saying, “It is obvious that the home secretary has cast the net far and wide in order to find an appropriate person and I applaud her for doing so.”

‘Far and wide’? Certainly ‘far’. But let the Brits learn first-hand the hazards of deep sea fishing. Too often you risk pulling up useless debris from the bottom because you capriciously cast your net in shallow waters.

The big question in the U.K. must be why Home Secretary Theresa May picked Goddard when her due diligence determined lawyers in New Zealand broadly consider Ms Goddard a political puppet. Question asked and answered?

One can only hope no prohibition on investigative reporting of Goddard J exists in the U.K. as there is at home where the honourable judge writes her own press and zealously orchestrates her public image. Her resume says she is at the forefront of human rights and women’s rights and Maori rights. A more impeccably manicured person you will likely never see. Busy lady.

Contrast Goddard J’s facade with her legacy. She was appointed to the Independent Police Conduct Authority after she complained sitting on long cases in the High Court was too stressful on her back. Her days on the IPCA were mired in secrecy, political manoeuvring and tardy rulings. She routinely sided with Crown immunity, suppression of information and against human rights. Even where public pressure was so great as to force a ruling police had acted oppressively, as in police restraints on peaceful protests during the 1999 visit of the Chinese President, her finding was released 8 years after the fact.

Ever the equal opportunity disheveller, Lowell Goddard had a hand in derailing at least one police investigation into criminal judicial conduct, in 1994, when she was deputy solicitor general. In 2007 she helped appoint the alleged criminal offender (Michael Lance) as her deputy at the IPCA (refer to story on Judge Michael Lance in Goddard J’s bio). Her deputy was soon forced to resign after being criminally charged by police for key cars in front of his apartment. The Hansard (Parliamentary) record recorded at the time Goddard and the Chief Justice “recommend (Michael Lance) as a sound appointment choice”.

So what did the Home Secretary mean when she assured MPs this week that Goddard’s Inquiry will not be thwarted by the Official Secrets Act in an investigation which will delve into governmental department files in circumstances where there appears to be complicity by officials in the scandal? A hint might lie in comments of the ‘fixer’ Home Secretary May has appointed. “The inquiry will be long, challenging and complex,” forewarned Goddard J.

Experience tells us you can take Goddard J’s assessment to the bank. Hopefully the British prefer an exhaustive and complex inquiry to an accurate and transparent outcome. ”
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Penny Bright
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February 7, 2015 12:21pm
Reid

Seen this Kiwibloggers?

Yes they have Penny. I posted it yesterday. Do keep up.
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February 7, 2015 12:26pm
wikiriwhis business

Well, I see the media is defending rogue landlord’s with a single episode of rogue tenants.

Landlord’s are the rogue element of society who are pirating and terroising NZ humanity and need to be regulated against and facing the courts as the crims they are.

Right wing sociopaths. Being encouraged by the sociopaths in Wellington
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February 7, 2015 12:33pm
wikiriwhis business

“http://www.kiwisfirst.com/new-zealands-latest-export/

“Justice Lowell Goddard New Zealand’s Latest Export”

How many NZ politicians could be caught if the net was flung far enough?

Probably make D Bain look like a good man.
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February 7, 2015 12:35pm
wikiriwhis business

“And Mike Sabin was made CHAIR of the Law and Order Select Committee?”

No surprise you gett ing a hard time for speaking out against right wing corruption and vileness of the highest degree from these right wingers Penny.

Mr Farrar dear not speak to me against naming right wing corrupters anymore.

Ever since he demerited me a right wing corruption case comes up every week.

As I always say politics is totally a predictable agenda.
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February 7, 2015 12:40pm
Reid

Well, I see the media is defending rogue landlord’s with a single episode of rogue tenants.

No that’s a paid advert for Bayley’s property management disguised as news wiki.

Another nail in the coffin for the failed and suicidal MSM.

Never has so much been done by so many to aid their own demise as journalists have done in NZ over the last few decades. Through their bias and their vapid shallowness they’ve driven any thinking person away from them and toward the internet. Their paid adverts disguised as news is just one desperate last gasp to save the sinking ship that they’ve holed themselves.
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February 7, 2015 12:41pm
EAD

The most important issue in the world today – do you want to live free, or do you want to live as a slave?

http://beforeitsnews.com/economics-and-politics/2015/02/canadas-debt-free-money-why-not-the-u-s-2472946.html
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February 7, 2015 12:42pm
hj

stephieboy – “I happen live in Auckland close to a major multicultural community Mt Roskill where Pakehas, Islanders, Maoris, Indians, Pakistanis, Iraqis , Somalis etc Everyone gets on OK.”
…
do they like working for families etc?
which of those countries have a comparable standard of living (including social welfare)?
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February 7, 2015 12:43pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go ‘One Track’ – answers to your questions as to whether (former) National Party MP for Northland Mike Sabin WAS being investigated by Police?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/64362474/Nat-MP-in-police-assault-inquiry

National MP Mike Sabin in police assault inquiry

DAVID LOMAS
Last updated 05:00, December 21 2014

Police have been investigating an assault complaint against government MP Mike Sabin.

The investigation is related to events in Northland, but detectives working on the case are based in Waitemata, north Auckland.

The investigation was moved south from Whangarei because Sabin was a police officer based there until 2006.

The officer in charge, Detective Inspector Kevin Hooper, refused to confirm Sabin was the subject of an investigation.

Prime Minister John Key is also not commenting. He and his office did not answer written questions:

when he was informed of the police investigation;
whether Sabin or someone else volunteered the information;
why he had not disclosed the matter to voters.

Sabin, 46, who has been in Parliament since 2011 and has a majority of more than 9000, has not returned calls seeking comment. …………………
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11377730

Cloud over National MP’s future

5:00 AM Monday Dec 22, 2014

The three-year political career of National Northland MP Mike Sabin is in the balance after a report that he is under investigation by police over an assault complaint.

Prime Minister John Key yesterday refused to comment, instead directing media queries to police. However, police also refused to confirm either receiving a complaint or any investigation into allegations against the former detective and anti-methamphetamine campaigner.

Nevertheless, the Herald understands senior Northland National Party figures have already been discussing potential candidates to replace him in the event of a byelection.

Party president Peter Goodfellow told the Herald National’s hierarchy was unaware of any allegations, historical or recent, against Mr Sabin before this year’s general election. He refused to comment further. …….
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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11393032

National MP Mike Sabin to remain law and order chairman during investigation into alleged assault

2:53 PM Wednesday Jan 28, 2015

A National Party MP at the centre of reports he is being investigated by police over an alleged assault will remain as chairman of the law and order select committee in Parliament.

Northland MP Mike Sabin, 46, has gone to ground since reports emerged late last year that he was under investigation by police after a complaint had been laid against him.

Neither Mr Sabin, Prime Minister John Key nor the police have confirmed the reports.

This morning, Mr Key said he was comfortable with Mr Sabin holding the role of chairman of the law and order select committee.

“As I speak to you today, I’m very happy for him to continue in the position he does,” Mr Key told Radio New Zealand this morning. ……………………
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http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/65525102/mp-sabin-to-grill-cops

MP Sabin to grill cops

ANDREA VANCE
Last updated 05:00, January 29 2015

Mike Sabin, the MP under police investigation for assault, is set to grill senior cops as part of an annual review.

Sabin is chairman of Parliament’s law and order select committee. His boss, Prime Minister John Key indicated this week he was “happy” for the Northland MP to remain in the job. He is refusing to confirm Sabin is under investigation or comment on the second-term MP’s future.
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All this is obviously well and truly in the ‘public domain’.

Looking forward to the political ‘feather dustering’ of (part-time) Prime Minister ‘rooster’ John Key ….

I predict that ‘Mr Popular’ (ie: ‘Mr SUPER Spin-doctored’) Prime Minister John Key will not be feeling quite so ‘comfortable and relaxed’ about THIS one, as the tide of public opinion swells into a tsunami and swamps him (hopefully out of public office?)

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

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February 7, 2015 12:43pm
wikiriwhis business

“And their own social welfare system too come to think of it.
They can pay into it and they can be the beneficiaries of it too, Good luck to them.”

$40B Maori economy as reported in the Herald projected to become $100B in ten years.

And innocents are going to have to fall in Irag for these vested criminals. Then the National Socialists will have the cheek to say unemployment has gone down.

No wonder J Key is in such a hurry to ratify the TPP.

Corporate piracy, treachery and vested Kiwibloggers.

Enemies of freedom, democracy and the fallen of our nation under our flag.
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February 7, 2015 12:44pm
Griff

A leading Canadian climate scientist has been awarded $50,000 in a defamation suit against The National Post newspaper.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/02/06/andrew-weaver-national-post-defamation_n_663252

Andrew Weaver sued the Post over four articles published between December 2009 and February 2010. He alleged that the stories aimed to destroy his international reputation.

In a B.C. Supreme Court decision on Thursday, Justice Emily Burke agreed that the defamatory articles would lead a reasonable person to conclude that Weaver is an incompetent, inept, and unethical scientist and professor.

“I conclude the defendants have been careless or indifferent to the accuracy of the facts,” Burke wrote in her ruling. “As evident from the testimony of the defendants, they were more interested in espousing a particular view than assessing the accuracy of the facts.”

The judgement can be found here
http://www.desmogblog.com/sites/beta.desmogblog.com/files/Judge%20Burke%2C%20re%20Weaver%20v.%20Corcoran%2C%2002-05.pdf
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February 7, 2015 12:49pm
publicwatchdog

Good on you Reid 🙂

Sometimes GREAT posts are worth repeating don’t you think?

In case someone might have missed them – sort of thing?

(My post does actually include the link to the Kiwisfirst 2014 Judges survey – which I inserted 🙂

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 7, 2015 12:49pm
Reid

do you want to live free, or do you want to live as a slave?

Personally I prefer the former EAD, but as we both know, the sheeple have spoken, and they’ve decided unwittingly without even knowing the choice is on the table that they’d prefer the latter. The annoying thing is isn’t it that when the hammer falls and all the sheeple wake up and realise the plain and obvious fact that they’ve been played like violins all this time, that you and I are going to be in pretty much the same boat as all the rest of the fools, albeit our boats are going to be a bit more solid and robust than most of theirs are. But we’re all going to be in the same choppy seas.

Sometimes GREAT posts are worth repeating don’t you think?

Yes Penny but I notice you didn’t make the obvious connection I did about the fact that Goddard clearly has been appointed simply because from the UK establishment’s point of view she’s going to be a safe pair of hands and that’s the real issue behind it because what’s going to happen is that Goddard is going to spend years and years on it in the obvious desire to obfuscate everything and she’s also going to focus most of the effort on things other than the Westminster connections. And there’ll be a few notable people like Cliff Richard indicted to give the media something to focus the public’s attention on so they (the media and the establishment) can all pretend justice has been served. Goddard will be appointed to the NZ Order of Merit and probably get a UK gong from the Queen and everyone will pretend as if this is just a historic anomaly that will never ever happen again.

Which as you know is nothing like the truth but that’s what’s going to happen. And I notice you didn’t join any of those palpably obvious dots.
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February 7, 2015 1:01pm
publicwatchdog

Are you a defamation lawyer Calendar Girl?

Just asking ….

At the end of the day, I am quite comfortable and relaxed about what I have posted in relation to (former) National Party MP for Northland Mike Sabin, and (part time) Prime Minister John Key, and have, as always, put my name to my posts.

(Unlike yourself 🙂

Thanks for your concern.

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 7, 2015 1:03pm
Harriet

“…Manolo: What is it about Muslims seeing females as sluts and slags? Talk about a sexually repressed cult….”

Some hate liberal women for personal reasons:

They see western women as being sexually satisfied, where as they themselves as young muslim men don’t know if they please their own women, given that they have been genitaly circumsised. Some women – mostly from Africa and the likes of Afganistan – have had their private parts butchered, while some others have simply had a ‘minor cut'[so that they are then keeping within sharia law – and in doing so can still orgasim ect.]
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February 7, 2015 1:03pm
publicwatchdog

Whatever Reid….

Just because I haven’t POSTED all my ‘dot-joining’ – doesn’t mean that I haven’t joined the dots to which you refer.

Just saying ….

We are actually on the same page on this one.

Do keep up 😉

Kind regards

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 7, 2015 1:08pm
Reid

So what do you think of the Ironsands allegation in the Pike River book Penny? I noticed on your site you’ve got a link to it so I assume you’ve read it. Have you looked into the repeal act for the Foreshore and Seabed to see if what he says about that rings true?
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