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Simon

The fight against ISIS should be outsourced by the West to Iran, Assad & Putin. The West aint up to it.

Much like how the West outsourced during the Cold War.
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February 4, 2015 8:13am
hj

Gareth M is comparing French Moslems to NZ Maori ( so Maori will become if we don’t promote their culture). He says we wll have terrorism.
To me French Muslim ghettos and assumptions about immigration (the more the merrier )are waltzing with limits to growth. I’m not sure G agrees with limits to growth (the growth model can go along way when you are an economist way up the food chain).
But also, not assimilation as virtue in a nation state is a crock as it implies perpetual conflict.
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February 4, 2015 8:20am
Padriv Ustoev

@ Simon
*Scoff*

As if Putin would be interested in cleaning up a mess that his sworn enemies America and Saudi Arabia created.
Nice armchair generalship.
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February 4, 2015 8:23am
holysheet

The fight against ISIS should be outsourced by the West to Iran, Assad & Putin. The West aint up to it.

You forgot to include Israel. It would be all over by xmas if they got involved.
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February 4, 2015 8:23am
Dennis Horne

Is Gareth Morgan getting senile?
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February 4, 2015 8:23am
hj

Is Gareth Morgan going senile?

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He is saying Maori ethnicity is important but he deleted my E.O Wilson post on ethnicity and nationhood. Take Pakeha ethnicity – add ethnicity A, B, C and stir.
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February 4, 2015 8:31am
hj

The Nutrablast Really Works!!
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February 4, 2015 8:36am
hj

I was going to add that Maori ( in NZ) is a matter of the left toe identifying as Maori.
Andrew Geddis pointed out that what government departments think is the (official truth) PC.
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February 4, 2015 8:38am
Inandout

hj: Gareth is displaying symptoms akin to bi polar.
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February 4, 2015 8:40am
hj

HJ cant get many channels here.
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February 4, 2015 8:43am
Dave Mann

The aim of ISIS in these highly publicised murders (the latest being burning a Jordanian pilot alive) seems to be to scare countries into not standing up to them.

I have advocated before the use of nuclear weapons and/or blanket bombing as an effective response to these evil mongrels as I seriously think that they need to be destroyed by whatever means. The first (and minimum) response should now be the immediate execution of all ISIS prisoners held by the coalition forces and their allies. This would include ISIS prisoners captured on the battlefield, but more importantly those captured planning or carrying out terrorist attacks in the West.

Some will say that by responding with nukes and immediate executions would ‘make us as bad as them’. I disagree. We are at war with an evil enemy whose barbarism has shown no bounds and we must eradicate them or face the consequences.
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February 4, 2015 8:49am
EAD

Interesting hj,

the cultural marxist strategy is to promote every single other festival and culture in the country with the exception of the dominant christian ones. Note how councils always debate in public about “unaffordable Christmas lights” or how schools don’t do nativity plays “in case they offend”. Notice how Easter and Christmas is never about the resurrection or birth of Christ, the government emphasis is always negative i.e. “stopping the bl**dy Easter road toll” or “family violence over Christmas”. Notice how if you receive a Christmas card from a state agency it is always “happy holidays” or some bland portrayal of anything other than a religious theme.

Then contrast with the State’s promotion of all sorts of festivals if they’re not Christian

https://www.national.org.nz/news/news/media-releases/detail/2014/07/28/moon-sighting-signals-beginning-of-eid “For members of the Muslim community, Eid is about celebrating the special meaning of Islam in their lives. Eid also gives all New Zealanders opportunity to acknowledge the valuable contribution the Muslim community makes to our nation’s religious, cultural and ethnic landscape,”

https://www.national.org.nz/news/news/media-releases/detail/2014/10/28/diwali-celebrations-held-at-parliament “It signifies the victory of light over darkness, wisdom over ignorance, good over evil, and hope over misery”

https://www.national.org.nz/news/news/media-releases/detail/2014/02/10/parliament-to-celebrate-chinese-new-year “welcoming in the Year of the Horse and it’s a symbol of our enthusiasm and embrace of cultural diversity”

You can chuck in Mahariki (when did that get invented??) and various other festivals (LGBT) and you’ll quickly notice the pattern.

Perhaps someone can prove me wrong, but when has the State made an announcement along the lines of “we wish all Christians a happy Easter as they celebrate the resurrection of Christ. Christianity has played the leading role in the development in this country and we join all New Zealanders in celebrating this”
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February 4, 2015 8:51am
Sonny Blount

Regulated and registered taxi companies and drivers are no safety gaurantee.

Let Uber do its thing

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/65728369/jail-for-taxi-driver-who-raped-and-assaulted-women

There are 2 drivers from the same company sentenced for raping their passengers in that piece.
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February 4, 2015 8:52am
Dennis Horne

Earth needs a billion or two fewer people. Should we let nature take its course with disease or choose who? Civilised man is a tame poodle in the lap of Islam. We are the chosen. Woof, woof, Lame Poodle.
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February 4, 2015 8:53am
Paulus

Both Saudi and Russia assisted by Iran are totally complicit in all that is happening in the Middle East.

In addition there is still serious personal animosity between Putin and Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Head of the Saudi Intelligence Service, both being very powerful adversaries. This has been going on for quite some time and with the changes in the Saudi hierarchy will continue.
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February 4, 2015 8:53am
mara

Dave Mann, I agree. At Walid Shoebat you will see, among other things, video of a muslim woman explaining that the usual methods of shooting and beheading are too humane. Burning that poor pilot was part of the plan, but there are even worse ways to die, as she explains. Believe it or not. Btw, these Islamics are not sick, they are EVIL.
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February 4, 2015 9:03am
kowtow

Qatar is donkey deep in promoting ISIS and we give them the Football world cup ( they’re also buying up half of London) ,while ‘secular” Turkey is happy tp promote ISIS over the Kurds and we reward them with a chance of EU membership.

Meanwhile no dealing with Putin?

Our rulers in the permanent political class are filthy hypocrites.

ps Je Suis and “integrated Muslims? ”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2938009/Three-soldiers-anti-terror-patrol-Jewish-community-centre-Nice-France-stabbed.html
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February 4, 2015 9:03am
Andrei

The aim of ISIS in these highly publicised murders (the latest being burning a Jordanian pilot alive) seems to be to scare countries into not standing up to them.

Wrong the goal is to drag the West into a long drawn out and unwinnable war –

Anyway anyone with half a brain who is not asleep knows that ISIS is being funded by the West indirectly and there are plenty of the Western elite who profit handsomely from this chaos
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February 4, 2015 9:04am
Nukuleka

What is it with Slater and Garrett (and Rodney Hide?) doing their bit to try to undermine John Key over the issue of just when he knew of the Sabin allegations? We could be forgiven for thinking that somehow people are trying to implicate JK in the allegations themselves, for heaven’s sakes! I doubt that many NZers, apart from The Standardistas, are at all interested in who told what to whom and when. Despite Slater’s enthusiasm for the ‘I told you so’ meme I don’t think that this is going to have any impact upon JK’s preferred PM ratings.
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February 4, 2015 9:07am
Manolo

What’s going on? Why isn’t the name of the great Don Juan Peter Dunne bening mentioned here anymore?
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February 4, 2015 9:10am
SteveRemmington

Nukuleka

Sadly Cameron has been drinking the Judith Collins cool aid for far too long.

Cameron has a short game mentality when it comes to Judith becoming leader of the National Party and what is ultimately what’s best for National and the country.

Unfortunately for Cameron he doesn’t understand that Oravida Cream doesn’t always rise to the top.
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February 4, 2015 9:16am
Harriet

PLANE CRASH HITS WOMEN HARDEST

Recent plane crashes have hit women hardest, says a new study just released by the Propaganda Organization for Women (POW).

POW President Colleen Hyphenated-Lastname said there were both men and women aboard the flights when they crashed. “But in every situation, women are hardest hit. Obviously that rule applies to plane crashes as well.”

“In virtually every income and social level, women are at a disadvantage compared to men,” Hyphenated-Lastname said. “Naturally, this also applies to death. Ever since childhood, boys were encouraged to play war games, or cops and robbers and other games in which the players pretend to be shot and killed. Therefore, boys grow up with valuable training and experience in dying that puts women at a disadvantage. Society imposes this limit on girls and women. Like the sneaker commercial says about girls: ‘If you want to empower me, teach me how to die.’ ”

Hyphenated-Lastname explained other ways in which her organization reached its findings: “We know that violence against women is always wrong. And the flip-side of that coin is that violence against men is sometimes great. Now, this was a very violent plane crash. So obviously all the violence against women was wrong, but some of the violence against the men was justified or tolerable. To these men we say, ‘stop whining.’ ”

“We know that the men on the plane just sat there while this terrible violence happened to women. How is it, in our day and age, that these men could just sit by and do nothing while women died? Because of their lack of action, those men are partly to blame for the deaths of those women — as are men everywhere.”

“It seems likely that some of the men on that plane were not willing to give up their lives. This is part of the backlash against women. We see the same thing when men do not want to be fired, demoted, passed over for promotion or discriminated against in order to assure equality. These men do not want to give up their privileges. We assume that some men on that plane did not want to give up the privilege of life, either. But obviously, if they died, then a woman might get their jobs. They might claim that they ‘only want to go on living.’ The real reason is they just want to hold women back.”

“However, it is a matter of controversy as to whether any men on the plane actually died,” Hyphenated-Lastname said. “We know that death is the ultimate form of victimhood, and we also know that only women are victims. Therefore it’s debatable whether any of the men on the plane actually died, or whether they merely underwent a radical deconstruction of their Eurocentric consciousness.”

“We studied the plane crash using the same methods we employ to study and identify domestic violence, discrimination and sexism,” Hyphenated-Lastname said. “All those studies show that only women are victims. So obviously there were no male victims on the plane that crashed.”

“Our study defined death thusly: It’s death if it happens to women, and it’s not death if it happens to men. This is, after all, the same way we define discrimination and sexism. And once the proper definition of death is understood, the inherent sexism of men in every situation becomes clear. For example, USA men have literally been dying to find a way to shirk their responsibilities onto USA women at work, where 92 percent who leave the workplace by death are men, thus USA women are the ones who are forced to tough it out when abandoned by lazy, sexist male coworkers.”

“I am sure,” concluded Ms. Hyphenated-Lastname, “that after hearing my testimony today, it is patently obvious that society can no longer tolerate ongoing women’s suffrage.”
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February 4, 2015 9:29am
James Stephenson

I don’t think that this is going to have any impact upon JK’s preferred PM ratings.

Nonetheless, the post-Key world is on the horizon, and the man himself seems to be on autopilot. So we’re seeing symptoms of dissatisfaction with continuing aimless, vaguely leftwards, drift combined with jockeying for position fo what comes next.

Collins v Joyce v Bennett v….?
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February 4, 2015 9:39am
Dennis Horne

Judith Collins: Tungsten-tough but too abrupt and abrasive. Needs a Kevlar coat to interact with humans.
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February 4, 2015 9:44am
BeaB

Too many over-active imaginations here helped along by Slater’s inflated ideas of his own importance and petty personal vendettas. Never underestimate the craving of men like Slater, Hide and Garrett for some limelight when they are such fading stars.
When they start to get praise from The Standard you know they have totally lost the plot.
It would be sad to see the end of WO but he’ll lose readers if he carries on like this. His sources are likely to dry up even further – it’s already obvious he’s being frozen out and his blog shows the lack of readable stories.

My money is on John Key (actually quite a busy man which seems to have escaped most of the media who think he should be obsessing over trivia) completing this term and standing again, successfully, for a fourth. He clearly enjoys the job and there is no-one who comes within a hundred miles of him in either National or Labour.
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February 4, 2015 9:59am
Nukuleka

James Stephenson: I fear that this is playing into the ‘demise of John Key: rise of Angry Andrew’ scenario which is what the MSM are plugging away at. The media want to be telling the narrative and this is the story they are telling at present, irrespective of truth and facts.

We shouldn’t be buying into this. The Standard, TDB, Stuff and NZ Herald can do this well enough without any encouragement from us.
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February 4, 2015 10:00am
Jack5

Could Little stuff up any prosecution of ex National MP Sabin for whatever Sabin is alleged to have done?

Little’s non-stop bombardment of the media about Sabin raises questions about a fair trial, if this were to eventuate from inquiries the police are reported to be making. Surely, the minds of potential jurors for any trial are being influenced by the relentless statements by Little.

If Key did know early about the Sabin inquiries, perhaps he kept his mouth shut to avoid prejudicing any possible subsequent court proceedings.

Maybe Little should shut up in case he hampers the course of justice.
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February 4, 2015 10:04am
SPLOOGE

Why does John Key feel that rather than just telling the truth lying is a better option.
He seems to do it quite a lot and people are seeing through it, I know a lot on the right don’t, but then again there is none as blind as those who will not see.
It would be really great if politics swung back a bit to where honesty and integrity were at the core, rather than this win at all cost carry on that has pervaded our political landscape.
We need real people with good morals and without the hidden agendas working for the good people of NZ not the shallow bunch of charlatans we have now.
One of the true gentlemen of politics is leaving NZ politics and I don’t blame him. His talents are better of being used elsewhere and where he will be appreciated.
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February 4, 2015 10:09am
James Stephenson

We shouldn’t be buying into this

Who is this “we”?

It’s been blindingly obvious since the election that Key has two aims this term, first to get that record 4th term and failing that secure something else that will give him a “place in history”, which is where the changing the flag bollocks comes from.

I guess I was misguided when I thought that it was a hallmark of the Right, that we could be objective about stuff rather than unthinkingly tribal.

I’m finding myself in total agreement with Dim Post today, when you think about who has the contacts in the police to know about this, relationship with Whale to tip him off and motive to try to embarrass Key there’s only one name that fits.
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February 4, 2015 10:10am
Jack5

Re Splooge at 10.09:

One of the true gentlemen of politics is leaving NZ politics and I don’t blame him.

Who are you talking about, Splooge?
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February 4, 2015 10:12am
Kimbo

@ James Stephenson

It’s been blindingly obvious since the election that Key has two aims this term, first to get that record 4th term…

Umm, Keith Holyoake won 4 terms, 1960, 63, 66 and 69 (stepped down early 1972).

And so too did RJ Seddon, 1896, 99, 1902, 1905 (died early 1906)

Just saying…
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February 4, 2015 10:16am
waikatogirl

Jack5, I couldn’t agree more about staying away from commenting re Sabin.

JamesS: Sadly Cameron has been drinking the Judith Collins cool aid for far too long.
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If Judith Collins does make the lofty position of PM, Cam Slater may find he is dumped like a hot potato. He would be a millstone around her neck attracting condemnation from the MSM at every turn.
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February 4, 2015 10:17am
stephieboy

Nostalgia at 7.57am ,, upward trajectory etc Here’s Dr Dempster take on it and two other Pathologist’s take on it ,

“…Earlier this week, Dunedin pathologist Dr Alexander Dempster said he thought it most unlikely someone of Robin Bain’s height and arm span could have used the rifle to commit suicide, but after seeing photographs from a defence expert of various scenarios, he agreed it might have been possible, although “not particularly easy”, for Robin Bain to reach the trigger in one of those positions.
His height and arm span were about the same as Robin Bain’s, Dr Dempster said, and in the tests he did he had not been able to find a position where he could reach the rifle trigger using his right hand. He could just reach it with the middle finger of his left hand.
But his demonstration to the court involved holding the rifle in the air and against his head while the defence depictions were of a man standing and leaning over the weapon, with the butt on the floor or resting on a chair.
He thought if Robin Bain had used the rifle on himself while standing in one of those positions, he would have fallen forward, depending on his centre of gravity.
Although his view at David Bain’s first trial in 1995 was the wound was a contact or close-range wound, he now had to accept the wound was not a tight contact wound, taking into account the marking caused to Robin Bain’s skin by the gases expelled from the rifle..”

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/51187/father039s-wound-not-039near-contact039-

Do note nowhere did Dr Dempster say it was” likely “Robin would of killed himself as misleadingly claimed by those who post here from the David Bain cheer squad

A mere tilt of Robin ’s head as the killer pointed the rifle at contact distance easily explains the angle of the trajectory . Or the angle of the gun pointed at his father .

And of course we have the old durable chest nut of none of Robin’s fingerprints or DNA on David Bain’s gun , ]

But David’s and his fingerspints found on the bloody rifle including blood grouping taken shortly after the murders only belonging to either David, Laniet or Stephen .

Own goal there .I beleive , Nostalgia as ole wowan’s adage goes .
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February 4, 2015 10:18am
Jack5

Ah, DPF, Bainimarama’s beaten you to it.

Fiji is to remove the Union Jack from its flag. Bainimarama hasn’t said which symbol will replace the grand old Union Jack. Perhaps a banana would be appropriate in Fiji’s case.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-31107194
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February 4, 2015 10:19am
James Stephenson

Just saying…

Yeah ok, record for the MMP era.
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February 4, 2015 10:20am
stephieboy

Andrei at 9.04am , the west funding ISIS ??

You have naturally evidence of that from your more usually “trusty ” sources like RT, Voice of Russia , Sputnik and their active collaborators Global Research ?
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February 4, 2015 10:23am
wiseowl

Manolo @9.10am.
I heard Gower call him a political cockroach.

UF 0% in latest poll.Membership in decline.
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February 4, 2015 10:25am
James Stephenson

@Jack5 – the only possible symbol to replace the Union Flag is whatever you normally put on your rugby jerseys, no?
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February 4, 2015 10:27am
Harriet

“…..He clearly enjoys the job and there is no-one who comes within a hundred miles of him in either National or Labour….”

Yep……he’s got the most political capital of MP’s in living memory…..so why does he waste it?

He hasn’t done away with anything that Hulun introduced – yet claimed some of her policies were ‘communisim by stealth’.

He doesn’t explain why NZ needs government of the size and scope that it is – and was under Hulun – and neither does he explain why NZ needs so much socialised monatary churn. Government can legislate for health and education ect and fund them also – but they don’t need to deliver the services. Nor do they need to own them. Governments ONLY role is to GOVERN – yet Key is fixated for the time being on public ownership and supply of services. Schools should be all sold. Hospitals too.

He’s lazy…..going for a fourth term in 1st gear.
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February 4, 2015 10:28am
Kimbo

@ James Stephenson

Yeah ok, record for the MMP era.

Fair enough. For some reason there was a move by some to make the distinction for posterity of the first elected New Zealand women Prime Minister 🙂

Also – just getting my pedant facts right: It was not in early 1906 that Seddon died. Instead it was on board ship in mid-Tasman in June of that year. In my mind I’ve always associated him especially with welcoming home the 1905-06 All Blacks – whom his government used to promote immigration to New Zealand, including directing them on an all-expenses-paid trip home through North America. They just missed the 1906 San Francisco earthquake by a matter of weeks.

Hmm. Over one hundred years later, and the New Zealand PM using the All Blacks to promote the couintry in the USA, and engaging in the equivalent of three-handed hand shakes when they win? Not much has changed!
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February 4, 2015 10:32am
Nukuleka

Jack5- I think you’ll find that the banana is already on the Fiji flag- a whole bunch of them!

James Stephenson: ‘unthinkingly tribal’? No, I don’t think that folk on the right should be unthinking but I do think that, if one wants to ensure that the loony policies espoused by so many who post on TS, TDB and post on The Herald and Stuff websites do not become a political reality, it isn’t a good idea to feed into their lunacies. Slater, Garrett and Hide appear to be doing just that and are being lauded over on TS. That should be a warning sign for those of us who are opposed to the left’s political landscape. If being opposed to left wing views makes me and others who hold similar views ‘tribal’ so be it. Perhaps it is a case of being politically savvy rather than unthinking.

Would you applaud the left who are constantly warring with each other for being ‘thinkingly non- tribal’ by contrast?
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February 4, 2015 10:50am
fylde

Andrei (2,655 comments) says:
February 4th, 2015 at 9:04 am

ISIS Funded by the West.

What is the west ? ISIS is funded by inhumane idiots
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February 4, 2015 10:55am
Jack5

James Stephenson posted at 10.27:

the only possible symbol to replace the Union Flag is whatever you normally put on your rugby jerseys, no?

No. Too easily mistaken for a white feather, too often a symbol for cowardice. Besides the usual black background is the colour of piracy, of Pol Pot, of the Nazi SS, of ISIL and Al Qaeda.

I favour keeping the Union Jack, a symbol of our links to Britain and the West. With so many dropping, it, the Union Jack in the corner will be a way of distinguishing the NZ flag from the flags of almost 200 other nations. In a long row of flag poles, the bright Union Jack in the corner will help us find our flag quickly.

However, the flag change is a side issue to the move to change New Zealand’s name to Aotearoa, led by Maori activists, PC collaborators, and eccentrics like Cat Man Morgan.
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February 4, 2015 10:55am
publicwatchdog

How long before Tony Abbott is dumped?

Who will replace him?

Julie Bishop?

What do you think David?

Penny Bright
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February 4, 2015 11:04am
James Stephenson

@Nuk – so, do you think that Key is on top of his game then? Geared up and making sure that the political right (or at least, political not-quite-as-left) has the best chance of continuing once he steps down?

I don’t. I think he’s falling asleep at the wheel and has a couple of wheels on the verge. I’d rather he woke up before the car goes into the river.
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February 4, 2015 11:04am
James Stephenson

Did I need to put “/sarc” for you Jack5?
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February 4, 2015 11:05am
Harriet

“….How long before Tony Abbott is dumped?

Who will replace him?

Julie Bishop?….”

Well Penny…….given that Turnball is almost gay and Bishop is not part of a livestock quota……you’d be best to shut up if you want Labor to win the next aussie election! 😎
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February 4, 2015 11:10am
Manolo

A future Labour candidate writes:

If this is left to simmer away unaddressed by Key until next Tuesday (that’s for nearly a week) then Key should be put on the spot in question time.

The problem for Key is that regardless of the facts of the matter there is too much out in the public domain from too many reasonably credible sources to try and paper over the cracks – they’re rapidly widening chasms.

Andrew Little has wisely been cautious on this. Key is at serious risk of dismantling his own credibility. Little is only a small part of it – until perhaps he has to step more quickly than expected.

How quickly could Andrew Little step up a significant notch. Could we see one of the most rapid rises to Prime Minister ever?

Isn’t his man clever, Labour-red, decisive and principled?
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February 4, 2015 11:11am
SPLOOGE

If Key tries to paper over these cracks, may I recommend anaglypta.
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February 4, 2015 11:17am
Redbaiter

Its not only Obama who is lying. There is a lot of untruth going around right across the West. Including NZ. Good to see one pollster breaking out and telling it how it is.

In a scathing attack on what he calls the government’s “extremely misleading” unemployment statistics, Gallup Chairman and CEO Jim Clifton publicly affirmed today what many have known for a long time: The federal government’s economic statistics, including unemployment, are grossly and intentionally misstated for the purpose of making the economy appear better than it is.

“There’s no other way to say this,” Clifton writes on the Gallup website. “The official unemployment rate, which cruelly overlooks the suffering of the long-term and often permanently unemployed as well as the depressingly underemployed, amounts to a Big Lie.”

Decrying all the “celebrating from the media, the White House and Wall Street about how unemployment is ‘down’ to 5.6 percent,” as well as the “deafening” media cheerleading of the Obama administration, the chairman of one of the biggest and most respected names in polling says the government, media and wall street – all of them – are lying to the American public.

http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/gallup-ceo-exposes-obama-big-lie/#haO1xiTT2d8KUZ8F.99
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February 4, 2015 11:27am
Jack5

Nukuleka posted at 10.50:

I think you’ll find that the banana is already on the Fiji flag- a whole bunch of them!

You’re right, Nukuleka.

It looks to me that the present Fijian flag contains, besides the Union Jack, two warriors supporting the “shield of arms” of Fiji. Three of the shield’s quarters contain sugar cane, coconut palm, and a banana bunch! The remaining quarter shows the dove of peace, apparent the symbol used by Cakobau, Fiji’s first king.

How soon will the PC brigade insist New Zealanders stop talking about “Fiji”?

The PC mob think it’s fine for us to ignore the local name of Roma, Moskva, Athina, Munchen, Ciudad
de Mexico, and use our own names of Rome, Moscow, Athens, Munich, Mexico City. But they demand that in English we use Mumbai, Kolkatta for Bombay and Calcutta. How soon before they want us to write in English “Viti” instead of “Fiji”. How much after that before a world campaign ramps up to stop other English-language nations talking of “New Zealand” instead of “Aotearoa”?
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February 4, 2015 11:29am
EAD

I think the biggest lies in NZ at the moment are:

– there is low to no inflation
– the government’s books will be back in surplus next year. .

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-03/gallup-ceo-americas-56-unempoyment-one-big-lie
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February 4, 2015 11:31am
Kimbo

@ publicwatchdog

How long before Tony Abbott is dumped?

Who will replace him?

Julie Bishop?

What do you think David?

Penny Bright

Is Harold Holt poised to make a comeback?

Too soon?
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February 4, 2015 11:39am
Kimbo

…reminds me of the jokes:

Did you hear the one about the shark swimming in Port Phillip Bay? It came to a screaming Holt.

Also authorities have re-opened their investigation into Australian Prime Minister Harold Holt’s disappearance as new evidence has come to light: they have found a dingo with a snorkel.
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February 4, 2015 11:48am
SPLOOGE

“I think the biggest lies in NZ at the moment are”

To the best of my knowledge……

and

I think……
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February 4, 2015 11:48am
stephieboy

Rebaiter ,and you take this pile of crap from WND seriously ?,

FOLLOWING THE MASSES
THE DARK SIDE OF THE ICE BUCKET CHALLENGE
Exclusive: Selena Owens sees evil influences and symbolism in popular phenomenon
Published: 09/02/2014 at 7:24 PM

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/09/the-dark-side-of-the-ice-bucket-challenge/#mb7IHKJ8IU4rzR6k.99

This cock and bull story from WND too,

http://gratewire.com/topic/cock-and-bull-story-more-wnd-and-obama-craziness

WND = WING NUT DAILY !
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February 4, 2015 11:49am
Inandout

SPLOOGE at 10.09: This ‘true gentleman politician’ you refer to is an oxymoron. The only member of the House of Representatives that came even close was Jack Marshall.
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February 4, 2015 11:56am
SPLOOGE

Oh did I Inandout.? Thanks for that clarification.
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February 4, 2015 12:02pm
Inandout

You are welcome.
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February 4, 2015 12:06pm
Kimbo

@ Inandout & SPLOOGE

SPLOOGE at 10.09: This ‘true gentleman politician’ you refer to is an oxymoron. The only member of the House of Representatives that came even close was Jack Marshall.

“Gentleman” Jack Marshall’s reputation was over-rated IMHO. He had a snitcher on Holyoake for not stepping down earlier, and then when he was rightly replaced (who says having been thrown into Opposition, “we will give the new government six months to prove itself before criticising them”?!?) by Muldoon he engaged in a perpetual passive-aggressive campaign against his successor.

In The second volume of his auto-biography his continual critique of Muldoon amounted to…he wasn’t a very nice man. Like that is a really important quality for a PM?! The same misguided milquetoast thinking that got a bunch of ninnies and hand-wringers signing up to the ill-fated and hypocritical Citizens for Rowling.

And while I’m at it, Russel Norman is no gentleman either. Another complaining passive-aggressive continually playing “gotcha” politics, At least leaders of other parties don’t try and cloak themselves in the same nauseating sanctimony…
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February 4, 2015 12:10pm
Kimbo

There has NEVER been a time when people have not complained, “It would be really great if politics swung back a bit to where honesty and integrity were at the core”.

And they usually do it when their brand on the political spectrum is not in power. The great thing about democracy is we get the government we deserve.
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February 4, 2015 12:16pm
Inandout

Kimbo: Well that kind of gets back to the oxymoron.
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February 4, 2015 12:17pm
tvb

Jordan will go ahead and execute all their ISIS prisoners. There are reports that the barbaric act executing thevJordanian airman took place a month ago meanwhile ISIS was discussing an exchange but were vague on the fate of the airman.
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February 4, 2015 12:18pm
Redbaiter

There has NEVER been a time

Blah blah blah, same old refrain from another self obsessed baby boomer who refuses to take responsibility for the destruction his generation have wrought by means of their intoxication with the vile brew of Progressivism.
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February 4, 2015 12:22pm
Kimbo

@ Inandout

Kimbo: Well that kind of gets back to the oxymoron.

We are not children, and we are not in need of our politicians to act as role-models, any more than we need it from professional sports people.

I’d suggest a far more important quality we should be looking for in our politicians is…competence. And thankfully, in the main the collective electorate usually gets it right, or quickly redresses the error if they don’t first time. The dumping of Hone Harawira by his electorate in 2014 is a case in point.
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February 4, 2015 12:23pm
James Stephenson

And while I’m at it, Russel Norman…

Wait. Russel Norman is Splooge’s “gentleman”? Seriously? The bloke (and I use that term in its widest possible sense) who abused his priviledged position as an MP to act like a soap-dodging teenage protester and wave his flag in the face of a visiting head of state’s security detail?
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February 4, 2015 12:25pm
Redbaiter

Rebaiter ,and you take this pile of crap from WND seriously ?,

Yes yes, of course, the CEO of Gallup is lying and Obama is telling the truth. Got that.

Man you are one exceptionally stupid black hole dense plague upon this discussion forum.
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February 4, 2015 12:26pm
SPLOOGE

And one wonders then why the Liar in Chief get reelected.Hardly a person of obvious competence. a competent liar
but even that persona is unraveling.
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February 4, 2015 12:27pm
Kimbo

@ James Stephenson

Wait. Russel Norman is Splooge’s “gentleman”? Seriously?

That is what I assumed, in the absence of any more data, SPLOOGE meant by “One of the true gentlemen of politics is leaving NZ politics and I don’t blame him. His talents are better of being used elsewhere and where he will be appreciated.”

Can’t think of anyone else…unless it is Mike Sabin. If so, an odd choice given the circumstances and reasons surrounding his resignation.

Mind you, SPLOOGE strikes me as a bit of a leftie troll on the lookout for an argument, predicated on the “what an awful corrupt government we have suffered from for the past (fill in the number since 2008) years!” open in hook. The fact that you were meant to KNOW it was Norman means you are dealing with someone who thinks they are speaking self-evident truth.

Yawn!
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February 4, 2015 12:29pm
Harriet

“…..I’d suggest a far more important quality we should be looking for in our politicians is…competence….”

People are more competent when they have less to do.

Governments role should be restrained to legislation and oversight. National should be governing the country – not running it.
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February 4, 2015 12:33pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Forget the beltway issues, what is goign on here ?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11396486

Why has this trial been delayed – I dont understand the jargon, and the issues at play here. I figured the police had this bugger stone cold, almost red-handed via tracking bracelet data.
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February 4, 2015 12:45pm
wiseowl

This is the sort of shit that makes me fume.
Visitors to Mt Eden were trapped when the gates were closed and then they were told if they paid a $40 fine they could get out.

Who would do this ? Of course the bloody race based country we live in has given privilege to certain people who Finlayson defends and says they would not do this.
But in the lame leftist media story you have to go to the end to even get a small detail that explains yet another wrought which they seem to justify in their lefty way.

Who ‘gave’ the bloody volcanoes to anyone? They don’t belong to anyone and should be enjoyed by all kiwis if not exploding.

Stuff these bastards and stuff this government for creating this totally unacceptable situation.
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February 4, 2015 12:50pm
Shawn Herles

If you want sane, intelligent and thoughtful commentary from the US Right try National Review or the Weekly Standard.

World Net Daily is for gullible, whackjob conspiracy theorists.
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February 4, 2015 1:12pm
Redbaiter

World Net Daily is for gullible, whackjob conspiracy theorists.

Another left wing Obama supporting loon who has no problem with constant dishonesty as a means to discredit truths that make him uncomfortable. The views expressed are those of the CEO of the Gallup organisation. He voiced those views and if they are fairly reported upon, it makes no difference what organisation is reporting.

Unless you need to make up shit to distract from the truth that is.
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February 4, 2015 1:16pm
Shawn Herles

Ahem……

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/01/general_debate_30_january_2015.html/comment-page-1#comment-1470621
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February 4, 2015 1:18pm
Redbaiter

Visitors to Mt Eden were trapped when the gates were closed and then they were told if they paid a $40 fine they could get out.

Wiseowl- what is the source for this story?
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February 4, 2015 1:20pm
Redbaiter

Ahem……

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/01/general_debate_30_january_2015.html/comment-page-1#comment-1470621

So Shawn Herles and Grief, two of the most appalling and most contemptible cowards on Kiwiblog, finally achieve their ambition, with the help of David Farrar who lets both of these disgusting people post multitudinous messages here that infringe upon the commenting policy, but escape censure because most who oppose these vile scum are also opposed to informing. Given the traditional association of informing with such vile historical organisations as Stalin’s Bluecaps and Hitler’s Brownshirts and Russia’s Stasi.

Farrar should know far better than to run his blog in a manner reminiscent of these vile regimes, and it is not at all unusual that those who have used the informant system so enthusiastically are vile cowardly scum like Shawn Herles and Grief. Both presenting a mindset that in different times would see them as proud card carrying members of these organisations.

Hitler would have loved you two on his staff when he was hunting Germany for Jews.

[DPF: Unacceptable and a third strike. That’s a week off]
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February 4, 2015 1:31pm
Rachael Membery

Redbaiter (11,418 comments) says:

February 4th, 2015 at 1:20 pm

I am the sure other Mt Eden prisoners would be more than happy to pay lol.
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February 4, 2015 1:33pm
wiseowl

Red,
Stuff through Auckland Now.
Not sure how to link.
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February 4, 2015 1:33pm
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/65763917/tourist-beaten-robbed-in-nelson

Taking bets..offenders are ?
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February 4, 2015 1:34pm
Shawn Herles

Taking bets..offenders are ?

Probably men.
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February 4, 2015 1:39pm
Kimbo

Andrea Vance (origin: Ulster) opines concerning the statement of British foreign secretary Philip Hammond:

“Enduring resentment over Britain’s treatment of New Zealand is one reason why Hammond’s comments were thoughtless.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/65763796/philip-hammonds-blunt-thoughtless-message-to-kiwis

No we don’t. This is not Australia where a pack of Fenian Irish Catholic malcontents have always manipulated a continual knee-jerk anti-British, anti-Royal (so what that Abbott gave Phil the Greek a gong?!) public and media response at every opportunity.
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February 4, 2015 1:48pm
fernglas

Gareth Morgan: visionary or slap-headed twat with walrus moustache? Discuss
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February 4, 2015 1:49pm
Aliog

Whale is toxic – it’s long past time that Key cut him loose. And anyone entertaining ideas of Collins replacing Key at any stage is hopefully deluded. Her sense of entitlement has cost her any chance of being PM. Perhaps those close to Key can give him a wake up call? Looking at the paucity of talent (on both sides, sadly) we need him for a long time.
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February 4, 2015 2:19pm
stephieboy

The Encyclopaedia of American Loons,

Introducing WND’s Joseph Farrah #126

http://americanloons.blogspot.co.nz/2011/01/126-joseph-farah.html,
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February 4, 2015 2:33pm
Inandout

Redbaiter: The Mt Eden link-
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/65760473/twohour-struggle-to-get-off-mt-eden

Idiot Len has started this Maori ownership rubbish.
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February 4, 2015 2:34pm
Elaycee

How long it will take for Gareth Morgan to realise no-one really cares what he thinks……?

It was hardly a scramble for seats at his “Orewa Speech’ – only 19 people turned up! And that includes the nice folk who prepared the tea and scones. Rumour has it ‘the crowd’ was almost outnumbered by the MSM.

Bwahahahaaaaaaaaa… 😆

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11396561
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February 4, 2015 3:05pm
Inandout

Mao Tse Morgan says to Garner that NZers need to be re-educated and be made to change their mindset on the Treaty. Shall we see group sessions in workplaces where those who oppose Morgan-think will be sent to special camps to be shown the true message. There were 19 people who showed at Orewa to hear the oracle.
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February 4, 2015 3:34pm
stigie

Thought Reddy was to go on holiday for a week…what gives ? Just askin !~
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February 4, 2015 3:36pm
Griff

Gee was not even here and I get it from the unhinged ranting redbaiter
Wait a day and go to truly pointless blue nz.
Should be funny.
Redbait will post a big wanking ranty diatribe of dribbly indignation.
😆
One day he will grow up and admit that the only person to blame is himself.
just kidding
if dpf ran KB like red ran true pooh redtwit would have been permanently banned years ago as he has been from just about every other blog in nz.
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February 4, 2015 4:07pm
Aliog

I only intermittently agree with you, Griff…but I’m 100% with you on this! I may even visit Red’s ‘blog’ tomorrow myself…
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February 4, 2015 4:13pm
Manolo

I am sick and tired of the bleater Gareth Morgan. Yes, SICK and TIRED of the bugger.
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February 4, 2015 4:41pm
Michael

Aotearoa.
You gotta admit, Aotearoa sounds a lot better than New Zealand.
OK, it wasn’t the Maori name for New Zealand, only the North Island, and there is considerable doubt about that.
But it has a good ring to it. And if New Zealand was changed to Aotearoa we wouldn’t have to wait so long to see our Olympic team come into the stadium.
I reckon I am with Gareth on this one.
How about Aotearoa New Zealand, a bit like Aorangi Mt Cook.?
And this from someone who doesn’t believe the city of Wanganui should be spelt with an h.
Wanganui is a pakeha version of Whanganui. It was a European settlement and when those settlers asked to have the name changed from Petre they wanted Wanganui to be spelt without an h. The Maori settlement across the river was called Putiki.
I bet you won’t find Sydneysiders agreeing to change the name of Parramatter to Burrumatta which is what the Aborigines called the area . Burrumatta meaning eels.
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February 4, 2015 4:48pm
RF

I am hearing about a huge fire out of control near the Christchurch Airport / Hornby area. Houses destroyed, 100s evacuated. Thought it might be on the TV 1 news promo but not a sausage.

Guess it’s not news worthy.
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February 4, 2015 5:20pm
Inandout

Michael: Aotearoa sounds like a small island in the pacific, with perhaps a palm tree and little else. The whole world knows New Zealand as a name, is pronounceable, little room for spelling error, and is on thousands of armed force headstones all around the world. As a British toff may say, ‘that Morgan really gets up my danda’.
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February 4, 2015 5:23pm
stephieboy

Manolo, tsk, tsk sick and tired ?? Not forgetting taking your medicatiions might help ?

http://www.drugs.com/condition/paranoid-disorder.html
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February 4, 2015 5:23pm
Griff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/65774589/enormous-blaze-in-west-christchurch
it has been up for only 5 minutes
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February 4, 2015 5:25pm
Rowan

No Stupidboy
The “own goal” comes from yours truly, Robins arm span was never measured, instead before the second trial they estimated the correct “measurement” by using a photo of him wearing a suit jacket, Dr Dempster also basically confirmed that his demonstration was the most unlikely way someone would hold the gun to commit suicide, he agreed that Philip Boyces demonstration did not require any contortions whatsoever, so as usual your argument is hogwash, but we’re well used to that aren’t we Stupidboy!
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February 4, 2015 5:46pm
Steve (North Shore)

Where is the expert fence sitter that tells us all about the Strandard today?
I really need some useless information and an opinion that nobody understands
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February 4, 2015 6:33pm
Jack5

TVNZ news is not only biased to the Left, it doesn’t try to hide it. Is it also racist?

In coverage tonight of retired economist Morgan’s speech at Orewa today, TVNZ for the umpteenth time trotted out the clip of mud being thrown over Don Brash at Waitangi. At least three times, TVNZ in the item referred to Brash’s original Orewa speech as “infamous”. If that isn’t a loaded description, what is?

Of course, unlike the Hooerald, TVNZ made no mention of the miserable crowd size Morgan attracted today.

Brash earlier, and again today, was attacking what he reasonably sees as race-based policies. If you ridicule Brash’s attack on what he sees as racism (as TVNZ did), are you being racist?

Did South African TV as blatantly back Verwoerd as TVNZ blatantly rubbishes the argument Brash expressed? This argument led to a surge of public support for the National Party. TVNZ ignores this.

The Hooerald report:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11396561
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