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UglyTruth

what’s your excuse for using Farsnews, a propaganda site run by the Mullahs of Iran?

Who says it’s a propaganda site? Your say-so has no value.

According to Ziopedia, Fars published a Human Rights Watch press release, but changed some of the wording relating to Middle eastern countries involved in alleged human rights abuses, giving the impression that Fars misreported the original release.

What they doesn’t mention is that Fars only attributes the opening sentence to HRW. While Fars could be accused of plagiarism of other parts of the press release, Fars did not actually misreport HRW.
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February 26, 2015 1:46pm
UglyTruth

As a Christian I see no evidence that the NZ govt is “pushing” atheism.

It is pushing it through its false description of the law of the land.

http://www.actsinjunction.info/corruption.html

“Common law is secular law.” ~ ShawnLH
“There are secular oaths as well.” ~ ShawnLH

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/02/how_widespread_is_extreme_islam.html#comment-1473734
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February 26, 2015 1:52pm
Shawn Herles

“Your say-so has no value.”

Yes, it does, especially in comparison to yours. But that it is a propaganda site run by the Iranian govt is simply a statement of fact.

“According to Ziopedia,”

Ah yes, the standard line of KB’s conspiracy nutters. “It’s Jewish lies!”

What a sad little lying bigot you are.

Do you have a poster of Hitler next to the one of Bin Laden?

You, EAD and Reid make quite the little gang of Nazis.
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February 26, 2015 2:04pm
Lucia Maria

Shawn. Ugly.

This counterproductive argument that you both are having.

I suggest a cold shower and a break for a couple of hours from KiwiBlog.
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February 26, 2015 2:07pm
UglyTruth

Yes, it does, especially in comparison to yours. But that it is a propaganda site run by the Iranian govt is simply a statement of fact.

This from the hypocrite who does not deny his history of lying.
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February 26, 2015 2:08pm
UglyTruth

This counterproductive argument that you both are having.

I think you’ve got an interest in shutting down argument relating to state atheism, Lucia Maria.
The Church of England isn’t that far removed from the RCC, doctrinally speaking, and Rome was where the union of church and state originated.
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February 26, 2015 2:16pm
Shawn Herles

Lucia, I’m done with UglyLies today, but it was important to expose his bullshit and the dishonest tactics he uses.

On a totally different subject, have you ever heard of Benidicaria?
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February 26, 2015 2:26pm
UglyTruth

it was important to expose his bullshit and the dishonest tactics he uses.

The hypocrisy of this guy is just incredible.
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February 26, 2015 2:35pm
publicwatchdog

In my considered opinion, Maungakiekie Local Board Chair Simon Randall has effectively transmogrified into a Fran Wilde ‘sock puppet’.

How come last October Simon says / signs (along with ALL other Auckland Council Local Board Chairs) an ‘Open Letter’ to Mayor Len Brown, which says that Auckland Local Boards feel ‘stifled’ by Auckland Council, but now the very same Simon is being widely quoted saying how Auckland Council works well for Local Boards (words to that effect).

I’ve left messages for Simon Randall, saying that in my considered opinion, he was either LYING when he signed the ‘Open Letter’ or he’s LYING now.

What I’m experiencing in this fight to stop the Wellington ‘Supercity’ is that, in my opinion, key advocates for ‘amalgamation’ don’t fight clean and they don’t fight fair.

Misleading and deceptive conduct, in my opinion, is the name of the game down here.

Why?

Because where are the FACTS and EVIDENCE that prove what’s actually broken with the status quo?

Where are the FACTS and EVIDENCE that prove the supposed Auckland Council amalgamation ‘efficiencies’?

Where are the FACTS and EVIDENCE which prove where exactly the costs currently fall for the provision of services and regulatory functions across the Greater Wellington Region – surely the basis upon which current or future ‘cost-effectiveness’ can be accurately measured or quantified?

Have the Local Government Commissioners complied with their statutory requirements under the Local Government Act 2002, Schedule 3, s.12?

Not in my opinion.

Can anything be done about this?

Why yes – I do believe it can …

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 26, 2015 2:38pm
UglyTruth

where are the FACTS and EVIDENCE that prove what’s actually broken with the status quo?

Right here.

http://www.actsinjunction.info/corruption.html
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February 26, 2015 2:43pm
Shawn Herles

Sorry Lucia, a typo on my part. It’s Benedicaria. Just curious as to how well known it is in Catholic circles.
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February 26, 2015 2:46pm
Lucia Maria

Shawn,

No, I haven’t heard of Benidicaria – I had to look it up!

I stay away from all the fringe stuff that some Catholics are attracted to. Even here in NZ, Enneagram and Centering Prayer hold no interest for me (and I consider them dangerous).
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February 26, 2015 2:47pm
Shawn Herles

Lucia,

It seems to be very old, and practiced in southern Italy and Sicily. I practice a Protestant version called Braucherei, and the two are very similar. Anyway, just curious.
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February 26, 2015 2:50pm
Lucia Maria

Shawn,

I played around with numerous spiritual practices when I was officially not-Catholic (a period of about 20 years or so). In my opinion all of those practices lead to dead ends. So, when I went back to the Church, it was with eyes wide open (so to speak), and an aversion to all things pagan. I have found the best protection against evil is the full Armour of God, ie Confession, Holy Communion, prayer and fasting.
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February 26, 2015 3:09pm
Shawn Herles

Lucia,

what I practice, and Benedicaria, are deeply grounded in the Christian tradition, so personally I would not consider them pagan or outside of the Faith. Everything I do is always under the covering of the Holy Trinity and the Blood of Christ.

Thats said, folk religious practices are always controversial.

I’m curious as to why you think centering prayer is dangerous. It seems in keeping with the Catholic contemplative tradition.
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February 26, 2015 3:15pm
Andrei

I have found the best protection against evil is the full Armour of God, ie Confession, Holy Communion, prayer and fasting.

Well said Lucia Maria – the Devil is always trying to lead us astray.

The great deceiver is hard at work sowing the seeds of disharmony, discord and dispair

How’s lent going?
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February 26, 2015 3:16pm
stephieboy

Andrei, so you can give us a categorical assurance that the ex KGB Colonel has no designs on the Baltic states whatsoever ?
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February 26, 2015 3:19pm
IGM

Slobcom is destitute. Where are the benefactors of his millions when he was interfering in our political and judicial systems to gain citizenship? Winston, Bradbury, Campbells (plural), Hone, Cunliffe, Goff, Hager, Norman, et al. It will be interesting to see what comes out when this obese criminal is finally out of here . . . go fat man, you are festering cancer, and unwanted.
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February 26, 2015 3:22pm
Griff

EAD claims: “The ugly truth is we are now a totalitarian, bureaucratic “1984” type world.”

EAD is not fully in command of his faculties
New Zealand is if not the most free nation on the plant at least in the top five in just about every international rating known .
If EAD thinks we are not free and libertarianism can do better there is a place he should visit
its called Somalia .
A libertarian paradise.
Lax gun laws extremely low taxes and very Little government interference in day to day life.
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February 26, 2015 3:22pm
Shawn Herles

Andrei,

do you practice the Jesus prayer?
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February 26, 2015 3:26pm
Albert_Ross

No, Griff, Somalia is not an example of libertarianism. It is an example of anarchy. The difference is that libertarianism requires the protection of persons and property rights and the enforceability of contracts, which is not in place in Somalia. Using “why don’t you go to Somalia then” in discussion about libertarianism shows a serious poverty of argument and of understanding, just as much as bringing Hitler into discussion does
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February 26, 2015 3:32pm
Lucia Maria

Shawn,

Here is something I wrote on Centering Prayer a number of years back. My short explanation from that post as why it’s dangerous: “CP seeks to turn the focus of the person from moving towards God to turning inwards towards the self and moving away from God under the guise of getting closer to God.”

Andrei,

Lent is not going particularly well. The beginning of it falls between the birthdays of my two sons and right after the start of the school year. I completely forgot about Ash Wednesday until I went into the supermarket and saw all the rows of Easter chocolate and then remembered. I need it to start in March – that would work better for me!
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February 26, 2015 3:39pm
Shawn Herles

@ Albert_Ross

“Somalia is not an example of libertarianism. It is an example of anarchy.”

Austrian School libertarians are generally anarchists. They don’t believe them to be separate things, and some claim that minarchism is not real libertarianism.

“Using “why don’t you go to Somalia then” in discussion about libertarianism shows a serious poverty of argument.”

Not at all. The Austrian School libertarian web site mises.org published claims that Somalia was an example of successful libertarianism.

EAD is a devotee of Austrian school libertarianism, so Griff’s comment was legitimate and on the mark.
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February 26, 2015 3:41pm
Griff

It is the closest place to a liberation paradise.
Give me one nation closer ?
You do have some sort of rule of law in many places in Somalii
Ruled by warlords so not “anarchy” but very close to Libertarian with a private police force and government.
The problem with pure libertarianism is it is really finely disguised survival of the strongest might is right and doomed to fail if ever tried. Just like Communism its reasoned on ideology divorced from actual human nature.
You still Godwined by the way so you loose the debate.
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February 26, 2015 3:45pm
Andrei

Shawn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XirRvbdFTQ
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February 26, 2015 3:45pm
Manolo

Bullshit: Somalia is a blighted Islamic shithole.
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February 26, 2015 3:48pm
Shawn Herles

Andrei, that’s a stunningly beautiful music video.

My question re the Jesus prayer is that ‘The Way of a Pilgrim’ is one of my favorite devotional books.
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February 26, 2015 3:50pm
Griff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTO7vlaAxiY
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February 26, 2015 3:52pm
Manolo

Netanyahu calls it: http://www.bbc.com/news/31626875
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February 26, 2015 3:55pm
UglyTruth

I have found the best protection against evil is the full Armour of God

Which, Paul’s version or the authentic version?

Psalms 91
4: He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth [shall be thy] shield and buckler.

Ephesians 6
16: Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
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February 26, 2015 4:00pm
Andrei

Some things you keep close to yourself, Shawn so all I’ll say is the Jesus Prayer is the most familiar of all
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February 26, 2015 4:01pm
Andrei

Shawn here is the Patriarch doing the first part of the Great Canon of Saint Andrew of Crete

The first, second and third parts are sung on the first three days of Lent then it will be sung in its entirety tonight.

You can find an English translation easily enough

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc5CbXgSV_M
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February 26, 2015 4:07pm
Griff

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11408265

Jamaica decriminalizes marijuana

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABc8ciT5QLs
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February 26, 2015 4:07pm
Shawn Herles

Fair enough Andrei. Regardless, thanks for sharing that video.
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February 26, 2015 4:09pm
Nostradamus

Another day – another conspiracy theory from UglyTruth who linked (above) to this article.

Some preliminary textual analysis:

– 12 “Zionist” references – eg “lovable Zionist butchers”
– 8 “Mossad references” – eg “pathetic Mossad psycho-babble”
– 11 “teeth” references – eg “Shaddam has ragged uneven teeth when compared to the even teeth of President Hussein”

So what’s the conspiracy theory?

Well, apparently, the Americans never captured Saddam Hussein. We learn that a “peasant imposter” – who the article describes as “Sham Saddam” or simply “Shaddam” – was tried and convicted of Hussein’s crimes.

So what’s happened to Hussein, and what’s happened to this peasant imposter? Well, that’s an interesting question, and one which brings us to the heart of the conspiracy theory:

Whilst it would be nice to speculate that the Iraqi people will one day be able to uncover this gross deception for themselves, I can assure you this will not happen, if only because Zionists [and in particular the Mossad] never leave any loose ends lying around. On the same day that the mock trial was announced, American Dictator Iyad Allawi [a former Mossad operative himself], declared that the death penalty had just been placed back on the Iraqi statutes. So we can take it as read that President Hussein, who was never captured by the Americans at all, will be ‘executed’ at a classified location for security reasons, then buried in quicklime at an equally classified location to prevent pilgrimages to the grave of a ‘martyr’.

Of course, Shaddam is hoping that it will only be a mock execution and a mock burial, because he has been promised the usual Mossad perks of a new identity, two million bucks, a fast car, and free airline tickets to Monte Carlo. This would normally be honored if Shaddam had further vital work to do afterwards [like James Bond], but sadly this is not the case. When the “Tyrant Saddam” has been officially executed by the victorious Zionists, poor old Shaddam will fall into the category of someone who knows far too much for his own good, and in particular far too much for the greater good of the Jewish State. So, one dark night, a Mossad assassin will pump a couple of bullets into the back of his head, and Shaddam’s lights will go out forever.

Wow…

And, at the end of the article, the writer expresses concern about his personal safety:

Life is never easy for a former combat veteran living on a miniscule disabity pension, but mine has been made a great deal harder by sustained Internet denial of service attacks, defamation and in some cases complete bans by Yahoo, PayPal, 2Checkout.com, Rense, Rumor Mill and others. Such attacks and bans cause me to switch or add servers, change email addresses, and laboriously update or replace old reports. All such ploys are designed to slow me down severely, and deliberately reduce my ability to analyze and report media disinformation in a timely manner.

Boo – they’re out to get you!
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February 26, 2015 4:25pm
Shawn Herles

Good fisking of Ugly’s rabidly bigoted and paranoid sources Nostra.
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February 26, 2015 4:33pm
Left Right and Centre

More retarded TV adverts . . .

AA Life Cover – two animated muppet talking sheep describing the similarity between being covered in fleece and covered by insurance. Or something. I try not to listen.

That’s just fantastic if your young primary school age children / grandchildren are picking your insurer – what if you’re not five years old ?
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February 26, 2015 4:40pm
UglyTruth

Boo – they’re out to get you!

Say what you like about Joe Vialls, but he wasn’t afraid to speak his mind. His last article was about mind control via the MSM (he died a couple of days later).

http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/vialls2.html
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February 26, 2015 4:45pm
UglyTruth

Good fisking of Ugly’s rabidly bigoted and paranoid sources Nostra.

Still with the an hominems. Nosty didn’t fisk the photos themselves.
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February 26, 2015 4:47pm
wat dabney

“I have found the best protection against evil is the full Armour of God, ie Confession, Holy Communion, prayer and fasting”

Personally I pray to the Mesopotamian goddess Tiamat and can report that I too find myself completely protected against evil.

So that’s another option.
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February 26, 2015 5:04pm
Shawn Herles

“Personally I pray to the Mesopotamian goddess Tiamat”

That’s an interesting form of atheism you have there wat.

Tiamat was a chaos monster/deity. If you really were using her for protection, I do exorcisms for a small fee. 😉
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February 26, 2015 5:10pm
wat dabney

Actually Shawn, I pray to this lucky gonk on my desk and, do you know what, it gives me exactly the same level of protection against evil.

Also, to the best of my knowledge, the gonk hasn’t committed genocidal racial warfare, murdered everyone on the planet, and isn’t currently torturing countless dead child and babies in an eternity of hell. Also it’s cute.
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February 26, 2015 5:21pm
UglyTruth

and isn’t currently torturing countless dead child and babies in an eternity of hell

That’s not part of the plan.

And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew 10:28
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February 26, 2015 5:28pm
Shawn Herles

“and isn’t currently torturing countless dead child and babies in an eternity of hell”

Neither is my God. Children, let alone babies, are not morally accountable. And nowhere in the Bible does it ever say babies or children are in Hell. Nowhere. In fact, Jesus statements on children would strongly suggest otherwise.

However, if your concerned about babies, what’s your stance on abortion again?
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February 26, 2015 5:34pm
wat dabney

“That’s not part of the plan.”

Er, that’s precisely the plan.

It is the very essence of what the Bible is about.

Pure, pure evil.
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February 26, 2015 5:35pm
wat dabney

“Neither is my God. Children, let alone babies, are not morally accountable.”

You obviously don’t know the first thing about the Bible.

You should probably stop lying to yourself, wake up, and recognise the purest evil when you see it.
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February 26, 2015 5:39pm
Lucia Maria

Ugly,

Just noticed this comment of yours:

I think you’ve got an interest in shutting down argument relating to state atheism, Lucia Maria.

It was all the back and forth accusations of lying that was getting to me, but since you mention “state atheism”, I wasn’t really paying attention to that part because I didn’t really see anything worthwhile to even attempt to shut down.

The Church of England isn’t that far removed from the RCC, doctrinally speaking, and Rome was where the union of church and state originated.

True to the first statement – the chasm is narrow, but it is deep. (Something I read a while back, and yay, I found the post! Are Anglicans Catholic?). And the second statement is not true – the Egyptians were right in there before the Romans on their Kings being gods.
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February 26, 2015 5:42pm
Shawn Herles

“You obviously don’t know the first thing about the Bible.”

I have been reading it for thirty years, studied it academically, and can recite significant portions off by heart.

Show me the passage that says anything about children being in Hell.

” and recognise the purest evil when you see it.”

I do. Abortion for example, or the hideous mass murder of millions under atheist communism.

Or this guy:

‘Chapel Hill Shooting: Gunman Craig Hicks a ‘militant atheist’ who fantasised that religion would ‘go away”

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/chapel-hill-shooting-gunman-craig-hicks-militant-atheist-who-fantasised-that-religion-would-1487502
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February 26, 2015 5:44pm
UglyTruth

Er, that’s precisely the plan.

No, it really isn’t.

It is the very essence of what the Bible is about.

You don’t have the first clue about it.

Pure, pure evil.

When justice is done, it brings joy to the righteous but terror to evildoers.
Proverbs 21:15
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February 26, 2015 5:56pm
UglyTruth

And the second statement is not true – the Egyptians were right in there before the Romans on their Kings being gods.

No it’s true. I said church, not temple.
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February 26, 2015 5:58pm
Lucia Maria

Ugly,

I said church, not temple.

So, not talking generally then. Ok, I can work with that. Specifically, Emperor Constantine, continuing on in the time honoured tradition of rulers either being gods or being in charge of the religion of the state. Just so I know what you mean specifically before I do any rebutting.
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February 26, 2015 6:10pm
Lucia Maria

There was supposed to be a question mark after the Emperor Constantine sentence – didn’t edit it in time.
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February 26, 2015 6:16pm
stigie

Both Rowan and Dad got a weeks holiday….how very strange….??
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February 26, 2015 6:17pm
UglyTruth

I get your point that Rome wasn’t the first state to embrace religion. What I’m looking at is the tendency of Rome as a state to assume the role of deity, i.e the state as the penultimate protector.
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February 26, 2015 6:21pm
cricko

Now that must qualify him as prime candidate for the wanker of the year award ?

TV1 news tonight.
Green Party list MP and possible new Green leader, Kevin Hague, talking about the new
pay increase for MPs and when asked, would he be handing it back said…..

“I personaly will not be handing it back but of course, I already am a big donater to many charaties.”

“But of course, I already am a big donater to many charaties.”
That was what he said, can you believe it ?

Regardless of the circumstanses , any person who would make such a statement must be an up
himself toss pot wanker of the first order.
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February 26, 2015 6:27pm
dime

geez shawn, only 15% of todays comments are yours.

no wonder the thread is so boring. try for 25% tomorrow. that would be sweet.
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February 26, 2015 6:43pm
Lucia Maria

Ugly,

I’m not really seeing what you mean with regards to “the tendency of Rome as a state to assume the role of deity, i.e the state as the penultimate protector,” and also how that relates back to the Church. I’m lost.
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February 26, 2015 6:43pm
Nostradamus

Meanwhile, in a parallel universe over at The (Sub)Standard, we learn that David Cunliffe is the latest victim of a black ops operation.

As Clemgeopin explains:

Clemgeopin
26 February 2015 at 11:51 am
…
Because of the nature of the complaint, I am curious to know WHO the complainant was. Was it a set up ? Was this complainant deliberately following Cunliffe? Was he or one of the accomplices themselves instigate the whole episode? How come the media came to know about this incident promptly? Did the police leak the information or was it the minister of police? Was this to distract the news away from the various messes that the government is in? Is this all part of dirty politics? Something is fishy here.

And Northsider goes one step further:

Northsider
26 February 2015 at 12:52 pm

It definitely is black-ops work. Cunliffe certainly didn’t call the media! Had the person following being an ordinary Joe and called Police, because of concerns about his driving, then the matter should be a private matter between Cunliffe and the Police. If the person is a Nat lackie who followed Cunliife from Parliament in his hire car (he is an Auckland MP) and called the Police then that person would be the source for the Media. Why then did the Police confirm? Is that their normal procedure? No. This news story required cooperation from both the snitch/lackie and the police. Dirty Politics continues.

Oh dear!

Now, if it had been John Key, Clemgeopin and Northsider would have been hospitalised with severe Key Derangement Syndrome symptoms…
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February 26, 2015 6:44pm
kowtow

“Turkey’s leading Muslim cleric, Mehmet Gormez, has decried the bill as “a 100-year regression,” arguing that complaints have neever been lodged about the fact that Turkey funds many imams in Austria.”

Wot’s this then,Turkey funds imams in Austria? hardly the model of seculrism so many tout that place to be.

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/breaking_news_detail.asp?id=57682&icid=4&d_str=20150226
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February 26, 2015 6:47pm
kowtow

And just across the Tasman…..

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/and_how_many_women_here_would_join_is_too_if_they_could/
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February 26, 2015 6:49pm
SGA

Lucia Maria at 6:43 pm

I’m not really seeing what you mean with regards to “the tendency of Rome as a state to assume the role of deity, i.e the state as the penultimate protector,” and also how that relates back to the Church. I’m lost.

Good – it’s not just me then.
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February 26, 2015 6:57pm
Sponge

“Say what you like about Joe Vialls, but he wasn’t afraid to speak his mind. ”

It is just a shame that his mind did not contain anything worth listening to.
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February 26, 2015 6:59pm
UglyTruth

I’m not really seeing what you mean with regards to “the tendency of Rome as a state to assume the role of deity, i.e the state as the penultimate protector,” and also how that relates back to the Church. I’m lost.

It’s about citizenship, protection in exchange for subservience.

“If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need.” ~ Marcus Tullius Cicero

Need as about threats. How is a garden and a library going to help with the threat of barbarians at the gate?
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February 26, 2015 7:01pm
cha

Well played Afghanistan.
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February 26, 2015 7:12pm
Nostradamus

Philu as the anti-hero:

phillip ure
26 February 2015 at 8:18 am
…
..the facts of the matter are that i have a hellish job keeping up with the costs etc. of running whoar..+ life..on the dole..
..(i actually went totally ‘dark’ on tues…pre-paid electricity ran out sooner than expected..and no money to top it up..that was an interesting 24hrs….)
…

Philu continues:

phillip ure
26 February 2015 at 11:00 am
…
..this is one of the ways the poorest get fucked over…
..and here’s another one…!
..fucken animal control..and the fascist bitches (yes..!..i meant to say that..!..stick yer fucken p.c..!..) that drive around in those red vans..
a few months ago..they came to my house..having received a complaint that my dogs weren’t registered..
..my old dog had been registered..but it had expired..and the little one wasn’t..
..i pointed out that it wasn’t deliberate..more an outcome of poverty..
…
..so i went and borrowed the money to get both dogs registered..
…
..and then..two weeks later..hand-delivered to my letterbox..
..two tickets..back-dated..for $300 each..for having unregistered dogs…
..(a malicious afterthought..?..it was never mentioned to me..)
..i was unable to pay that $600 fine..
..so it has worked its’ way thru the system..
..and i have just been told it + the requisite penalties – will be taken from my benefit..
..(so that was over $1,000 ..that they screwed me for..seems fair..?..eh..?..).

It sounds like Philu needs a job.

David Garrett tried to get Philu a job with I Suk Up Limited (not a joke). Perhaps Philu should take up that opportunity?
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February 26, 2015 7:15pm
Lucia Maria

Ugly, I’m still lost.

SGA, Yep.
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February 26, 2015 7:18pm
Lucia Maria

Nostra,

Poor Phil! I feel sorry for him. That whole dog registration thing is a rort, and there’s people wanting to do it with cats as well.
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February 26, 2015 7:21pm
Nostradamus

Lucia Maria:

This article (from last year) gives some indication of what you’re up against:

A Christchurch resident is calling for cats to be registered. Yvonne Curtis asked Christchurch City Councillors to reconsider a proposed increase in dog registration fees, and instead make cat owners have their pets registered.
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“As well as being more fair, there are other benefits to registering cats, such as protecting birds.”

Really?

When questioned by Cr Tim Scandrett about how registering cats would reduce the number of birds being killed, Curtis said it would make owners pay more attention to their cat. Likewise, she suggested cat owners would then have to put collars on their pets so could add a bell to it to warn birds they might be in danger.

Bonkers!
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February 26, 2015 7:25pm
nasska

….”..and i have just been told it + the requisite penalties – will be taken from my benefit..”….

It is part of my taxes that go into benefits to keep the shiftless parasite & his scungy dogs in the manner in which they have been allowed to get accustomed to.

His pain is shared.
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February 26, 2015 7:29pm
cha

A costly sickie.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/arts_n_ideas/article/ornella-muti-gets-jail-for-faking-sickness-to-dine-with-putin/516542.html
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February 26, 2015 7:41pm
SGA

@Nostradamus

Likewise, she suggested cat owners would then have to put collars on their pets so could add a bell to it to warn birds they might be in danger.

From what I’ve seen my “belled” cat achieve (although more usually rodents), she’d need to be carrying an air raid siren to put her off her game.
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February 26, 2015 7:42pm
UglyTruth

Ugly, I’m still lost.

When Cicero says “If you have a garden and a library, you have everything you need.”, what he is implying is:

“Don’t worry about immediate physical threats. Don’t bother getting a shield & sword, don’t bother with going to the temple for insurance. You’re a Roman, and the state will deal with day-to-day civil order and the barbarians at the gate.”

Does that make sense to you?
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February 26, 2015 7:43pm
Sponge

….”..and i have just been told it + the requisite penalties – will be taken from my benefit..”…

Well tough tittie Phil. If you can’t afford to register your dog you can’t afford to own it. I agree with Lucia that it is a rort but the law is the law.

What is more him saying “a malicious afterthought..?”. pisses me off. You were breaking the law you dick and you received the appropriate penalty for doing so. Does the drug addled fool think that being on a benefit means that the laws of the land should not apply to him?

Every month when I pay the PAYE i seethe that there are people like him out there who I and my staff are funding though our hard work. I have no problem with paying tax but when it is wasted on people like him it really pisses me off.
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February 26, 2015 7:43pm
stigie

Wouldn’t ya just love the parasite to be part of Kiwiblog again Nasska ? Think of all the fun one could have ole chap !~
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February 26, 2015 7:44pm
nasska

I’m coping with his absence stigie.
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February 26, 2015 7:48pm
Lucia Maria

Nostra,

Yes, totally bonkers.

So cats kill birds. Big deal. Those birds are little killers themselves, with worms, snails and bugs they devour! Will someone think of the cicadas? Not to mention if there were too many birds, no sheets would be safe outdoors in the breeze as they would be covered in bird shit before they were dry.

Those bird people could team up with the water Nazis to actually save quite a few more birds if they invested in better water saving technologies such a dams to store water in so that people could water their gardens so that more birds would survive in urban areas in dry periods. They could even make it a law that everyone has to have at least one bird bath that they have to fill with clean water every second days so that birds have something to drink. That would be far more effective as a means to save the birds.
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February 26, 2015 7:52pm
nasska

You seem to be out of balance with your assessment of the feathered section of God’s creations Lucia.

Surely we’re better off with the song of the thrush than putting up with cats digging up the garden to shit the remains of the birds they’ve murdered. 🙂
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February 26, 2015 8:02pm
Lucia Maria

They’re just modern flying dinosaurs, Nasska.

Though, I did save one last night. My cat brought me a small silver eye, looking totally uninjured. Apparently this behaviour means that she is still trying to teach me how to hunt. I took it out and put it in a tree and locked her in. No dead bird under the tree this morning, so there’s hope for it.
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February 26, 2015 8:07pm
twofish

Nostradamus – Meanwhile, in a parallel universe over at The (Sub)Standard, we learn that David Cunliffe is the latest victim of a black ops operation.

Probably not – Darryl Smith behind Cunliffe and reporting him for erratic driving, placed a comment on his Facebook page.

Then regarding the Chinese dating site, on which a photo of Cunliffe was posted, the same image [david-cunliffe-in-the-sun-100×100], with another angle, is at http://thestandard.org.nz/tag/david-cunliffe/  about fourth item down –
so if it is Dirty Politics as Cunliffe claims, it is likely someone who frequents The Standard. 🙂
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February 26, 2015 8:13pm
nasska

If there are any reports of a mad woman & her moggy hunting our feathered friends in the treetops of Kapiti we’ll be onto you Lucia.

We’ll know that the cat finally convinced you. 🙂
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February 26, 2015 8:13pm
dime

so philu’s meal ticket, i mean son, must be 18 now? haha

no more dpb, ouch! have to live on the dole.

cause, getting a job just wouldnt be right
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February 26, 2015 8:18pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/044wvp9pjuy9lhv/Catlady.jpg?dl=0
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February 26, 2015 8:23pm
Lucia Maria

Nasska,

I don’t think my cat would put up with it. I’d totally cramp her style by making too much noise as I crash through the undergrowth! Though, in another age I might have been convinced to hunt blackbirds. Maybe there’s a reason why they feature in pies in nursery rhymes!
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February 26, 2015 8:27pm
cricko

dime ,

a bludger like philu is cunning enough that when his meal ticket sprog hits 18 will be right
around the time that he claims his superanuation.

A prick, a non contributer, a user such as philu has no shame.

In his mind he is one of the hard done by .
He never had a chance, in his mind, the poor sod.

(The annoying thing about him is that whereas he should have no self respect based upon his non “contribution ” to
our society he actualy has a very high opinion of himself and opines on others shortfalls.)
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February 26, 2015 8:41pm
Lucia Maria

Ugly at 7:43pm,

Yes, that makes sense. Didn’t work for Cicero, though. Wasn’t he murdered when Octavian (who later became Augustus Ceasar) took power and made a clean sweep. Anyway, that period of history was before the Church. Still not really understanding the connection to this statement of yours:

The Church of England isn’t that far removed from the RCC, doctrinally speaking, and Rome was where the union of church and state originated.

Especially because the Catholic Church was actively persecuted by the Roman state (because Christians would not acknowledge and worship Ceasar as god) until Emperor Constantine legalised it in the early 300’s.
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February 26, 2015 8:45pm
wat dabney

“I personaly will not be handing it back but of course, I already am a big donater to many charaties.”

Hague knows better than the state how to spend his own money, so it’s right and proper that he gets to keep more of it. But it’s different for everyone else.
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February 26, 2015 9:03pm
Duxton

So amusing to read about Ron Mark being described as ‘an ex-SAS soldier’

I that what he really means is that he passed the selection, but didn’t complete training.

Just sayin’……….
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February 26, 2015 9:19pm
Sponge

“So amusing to read about Ron Mark being described as ‘an ex-SAS soldier’”

I always preferred to hear from him as an “ex-mp”. What a Walter Mitty git he is…
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February 26, 2015 10:50pm
starboard

Philip Ure…a bum who wouldn’t even work in an iron lung..
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February 26, 2015 11:36pm
mara

Starboard, in my day, PU stood for passed urine.
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