General Debate 24 February 2015

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Paulus Gnome

Good morning all,

I wrote yesterday:

Auckland Council are holding a series of meetings in the wards around Auckland so the ratepayer (and all those who don’t pay rates but get to share the say in how the ratepayer contribution is to be spent not that it makes much difference when there is 8,000+ Auckland Council employees making sure that there is not a penny left)

Have Your Say Meeting in Orewa on Saturday 28th February at the Orewa Community Centre at 368 Hibiscus Coast Highway (http://www.eventfinder.co.nz/venue/orewa-community-centre-auckland-north)

The esteemed (or otherwise) mayor of our great city, later referred to here as ‘the tosspot’, will be attending according to his wing Julia Parfitt.

This is an opportunity for a coffee in lovely Orewa and to off load excess overripe tomatoes as he regales us with the level of support that he has for his plans and aspirations (that will lead us to our downfall) for Auckland.

It is time to be proactive and be positive; sitting at the keyboard is a great pastime, there is a time when feet need to be on the ground a presence made; make your ‘I didn’t vote for him’ voice be heard and turn out to the Orewa meeting or any other (the events are not particularly well advertised even on the Council web pages, of which there are many)

Get up, get off your chuff and get out; stop whining and writing here about the woes facing Auckland, stop beating that keyboard and turn up, tell the tosspot to his face .

HAVE YOUR SAY!
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February 24, 2015 8:02am
Yvette

Bain
 Prime Minister Key has said he believed “Fisher ripped Binnie’s report apart”.
So John Key will be off Joe Karam’s Christmas List, along with Judith Collins.

“It isn’t about money in the end, it’s about doing the right thing. We’ve got to make the right call,” Mr Key said. ”I would just make this one point, there are lots of people who have their convictions quashed that don’t get compensation. To get compensation, the Bain team has to prove, not that he’s not guilty beyond reasonable doubt … he has to basically prove Robin [Bain, David Bain’s father] did it and then has to provide exceptional circumstances.” 
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11406156

So if the Bain Team essentially has to prove to Cabinet that Robin Bain was the killer, what was the Binnie Report for, or the purpose of any new report which is said to be “the only way forward”.

Surely isn’t it, as the Prime Minister says, up to David Bain and his support team to present arguments and / or evidence to show Robin guilty, and David, by corollary, innocent?

Was Canadian Judge Binnie’s Report supposed to be a survey – of the 10,000 pages of evidence he said he read – as some bench mark for Cabinet which can not be expected to familiarize itself with the complete detail of the case.
Instead it seems Binnie did the Bain Team’s job – and they did nothing.

Shouldn’t Bain’s Team submit their case first and then Cabinet appraise that evidence and seek appropriate independent qualified legal input if needed.
After all, the Bain Team may only present a narrow scope of evidence to prove Robin’s guilt – Karam says he knows the evidence better now than David – and Cabinet may not need a full $400,000 summary of the 10,000 pages of evidence [the whole shooting-match] to refute or confirm Bain’s submission.

And what of exceptional circumstances? Will they not be proven perjury, mixed blood samples or deliberate obscuring or omission of evidence – whatever in relation to the first trial that hid the explanation David Bain must now give, as the Prime Minister points out, to establish Robin was the mass murderer, and without any doubt the killer of himself?

So exactly what was the purpose of the Binnie Report, or any new one?
And when does the Bain Team have to present their submission?

And if this is arse about face, I hope someone will explain so mere taxpayers may follow the process.
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February 24, 2015 8:07am
Left Right and Centre

The endless BS that you love to loathe . . .

Stuff reports that the New Zealand Institute of Economic Research have studied poor people – and all their problems are caused by obesity – and the obesity is caused by being poor.

Huh ? So which came first – the chicken or the egg or the chicken burger with egg and beetroot yes I’ll take a large chips with that ?

And this one – you know all those dollar shops run by Asians with limited English ? I don’t know if I care about them selling Swastika products – to each their own – but get this . . .

Both staff and management were previously “unaware of what the sign represented”, the statement said.

Too funny. Clueless or having you on. It’s one of them.
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February 24, 2015 8:12am
Nukuleka

Alfred Ngaro and Melissa Lee are being criticised as being hypocrites for attending the Gay Pride March yet having voted against the same sex marriage bill. When are lefties and the MSM going to realise that there are plenty of gay men and women who continue to see marriage as something between a man and a woman- and not as an ‘equality’ issue. There is a blinkered notion out there that all gays vote Labour/ Greens/ Mana, and that all gays support liberal social attitudes. Not so at all.

Alfred Ngaro comes from a Samoan culture that has since time immemorial accepted the fa’afafine as an integral part of society just as Tongans accept the fakaleiti. One can accept gay people as they are without at the same time wanting to redefine marriage. Good on Ngaro and Lee for not kowtowing to social engineering.
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February 24, 2015 8:12am
Inandout

Is Hosking still pushing Milford Asset Management on his radio show?
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February 24, 2015 8:14am
Pete George

Obesity, poverty and education are all linked, but like a whole chicken and half a dozen eggs it’s difficult to know what part of the problem should be addressed first.

One thing’s for sure, just giving poor, under educated obese people more money is unlikely to be successful in addressing the problem.

This is potentially a lot more serious a problem for humankind than climate change – the climate has fluctuated for eons, but the current state of a high tech high pressure marketing fattening society is unique.

Will we ever catch up? Or will we kill ourselves off?

Obesity, poverty and education – a first world problem where the poorest are many of the fattest.
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February 24, 2015 8:14am
EAD

John Key confirmed yesterday he would not put the deployment of troops to Iraq to a vote in Parliament.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/66566148/shopping-centres-in-the-firing-line

Yet another example of how as time passes, Key is behaving more and more like a dictator.

It all started when he told the public to go get stuffed after 90% said they would like a referendum on the smacking law and he ignored them. Lately there has been his vanity project of a new flag despite no public support for a change of flag, not to mention the passing of numerous laws under urgency without proper public debate. There is also the cult of personality that he and his marketing time work so tirelessly to cultivate and maintain.

And now this – telling the democratic representatives of the citizens of New Zealand to get fcuked as he issues another executive diktat.

As UKIP MP Douglas Carswell (a man with real integrity and intellectual prowess http://www.amazon.co.uk/End-Politcs-Birth-iDemocracy-ebook/dp/B009L20H92/ref=sr_1_2/279-9127315-0890535?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1424719127&sr=1-2) so eloquently argues below, “MPs, rather than the prime minister, should have the final say over whether troops were committed to military action”.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/douglascarswellmp/100232180/if-david-cameron-wants-military-strikes-in-syria-he-must-consult-the-house-of-commons/

John Key knows this is not right, there is no urgency, yet still he pushes on.

If the case for military involvement in Iraq is as strong as John Key seems to believe, he should have no difficulty in coming before the NZ public and Parliament and making his case but he won’t, instead issuing a mealy mouthed platitiude about combating terrorism.

Just another example of how here in Aoteeroa, the land formerly known as New Zealand, democracy is dying at the hands of a traitorous political elite (from both main parties I hasten to add).
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February 24, 2015 8:15am
Padriv Ustoev

Regarding the Auckland Council man in London.

I was so outraged that I wrote to all Auckland City Councillors asking, how this was allowed to happen and what they would do about it.

The only ones that even replied were – Chris Darby, Penny Hulse, John Watson, Cathy Casey.

Only Cathy Casey wrote that she has asked Auditor general to investigate. Everyone else told me that they are not aware and will be briefed about the matter as it apparently falls under the Jurisdiction of ATEED.

Comments?
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February 24, 2015 8:16am
Keeping Stock

I hate to be a pedant Nukuleka, but Alfred Ngaro takes immense pride in being New Zealand’s first MP of Cook Island Maori heritage.
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February 24, 2015 8:19am
IGM

EAD: You sound like the gutless piece of s..t Goff. Are you from a background of conshies and pacifists . . . your kind are the lowest of the low. Suppose you are also an ardent supporter of Union Andy, another type who would hide behind a union to keep out of any conflict, like most of his party and supporters.
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February 24, 2015 8:20am
Maggy Wassilieff

@LRC.. 8:12am
I’m not surprised that Asian shop owners didn’t recognise the significance of the Nazi swastika.
The Buddhist swastika is commonly displayed on buildings throughout S.Korea (and presumably other Asian nations)…. Its a bit unnerving the first time you see them….. you don’t immediately go… oh look the swastika arms are clockwise.
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February 24, 2015 8:21am
EAD

IGM,

I’ll have you know I served in New Zealand’s army for several years at the turn of the century so don’t you go calling me a gutless coward.

We are not the worlds Policeman, we are a tinpot, skint little island and this is none of our business. We should strive to protect our own interests (which includes deploying troops in places like the Solomon Islands, Timor & Antarctica) but we shouldn’t meddle in affairs that are not our business, preferring instead to let them sort themselves out.

The reason the West is the target for Islamic terrorism is that aside from importing scores of Muslims into the country and telling them not to integrate, we spend all of our time waging endless and pointless wars that we can never win which inevitably invites “blowback”: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100081828/10-reasons-why-we-shouldnt-be-in-libya/
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February 24, 2015 8:24am
IGM

EAD: Talk is cheap to a pacifist . . . your attitude is not that of a capable and dedicated ex-serviceman.
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February 24, 2015 8:27am
UglyTruth

“Details of the mass child sex abuse, satanic ritual child sex abuse and sacrifice cult, serial murdering and blood drinking.
Main action is happening in Christchurch primary school in Hampstead, London.”

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/22/anonymous-leaks-satanic-cult-member-names-places-phone-s/
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February 24, 2015 8:28am
EAD

IGM – you sure a big tough guy with all of your macho talk.

I’m would be what you call the Ron Paul school of thought. The same Ron Paul who received 71% of military donations from serving personel for the 2012 presidential race:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/item/9682-ron-paul-campaign-receives-most-military-donations

What is Ron Paul’s position you ask and why do the troops so support him?

Ron Paul asserts that these numbers indicate that the military supports his stance on the wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, agreeing with him that the United States should adopt a position of non-interventionism.

Perhaps it is best summed up by the Teddy Roosevelt quote – “Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far.”
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February 24, 2015 8:31am
IGM

Have just heard Union Andy showing his gutless Labourite background in a lead story on Newstalkzb. I can still see these types of arseholes tossing paint at Vietnam vets returning home from duty, or the scum that marched up and down Willis Street under PYM banners . . . all members of Labour and in those days SUP and the forerunners of Greens. Even Clark and Soper were in the ranks, and would not be surprised if Goff was there also.
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February 24, 2015 8:34am
UglyTruth

 Prime Minister Key has said he believed “Fisher ripped Binnie’s report apart”.

A ‘proper’ peer review does not have a pre-set finding. Fisher’s report was a hatchet job, no more and no less. Sure, it’s wrapped up in impressive language, although that language is wrong. Just one simple example: Fisher says when pontificating about bayesian approaches:

The usual analogy is the strands in the rope explanation: each strand of evidence gains strength from the other, so that whilst an individual strand may be insufficient to support the load (in this case proof of innocence) the combination of them may be enough. (para 47)

Fisher cites Robertson and Vignaux, acknowledged leaders in the field of bayesian approaches to legal evidence.

But Robertson and Vignaux say:

The appropriate analogy when [evidence] and supporting evidence are considered is not a chain but a rope composed of several strands. The strength of one strand may affect the strength of the whole rope but it cannot affect the strength of another particular strand.

Uh-huh. So there we have the level of understanding of Fisher of the ‘proper’ approach. That is a major error of principle by Fisher.

http://nostalgia-nz.blogspot.co.nz/2013/02/judith-collins-undone-by-herself.html
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February 24, 2015 8:35am
Jacob

IGM – Talk is cheap to a pacifist . . . your attitude is not that of a capable and dedicated ex-serviceman.

And your attitude, IGM – in this and and many of your other comments – do not reflect well on your being an ex-Anglican pastor.
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February 24, 2015 8:42am
itstricky

Alfred Ngaro and Melissa Lee are being criticised as being hypocrites for attending the Gay Pride March yet having voted against the same sex marriage bill. When are lefties and the MSM going to realise that there are plenty of gay men and women who continue to see marriage as something between a man and a woman- and not as an ‘equality’ issue. There is a blinkered notion out there that all gays vote Labour/ Greens/ Mana, and that all gays support liberal social attitudes. Not so at all.

That was one guy, not “lefties” in general, whoever they are. The story was more about Linda Cooper’s reply, than anything. Bets up on whether DPF posts a story about Cooper or not?
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February 24, 2015 8:46am
CHFR

GD is stuffed already

EAD and IGM bickering like kids, UT making shit up again and Pete George linking back to his own blog again.

Yippee time to do some real work.
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February 24, 2015 8:46am
UglyTruth

And your attitude, IGM – in this and and many of your other comments – do not reflect well on your being an ex-Anglican pastor.

Too funny. Were you in theology class with John Gray, IGM?
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February 24, 2015 8:48am
Yvette

UglyTruth, thank you for your comment.

But can you explain why the Bain Team hasn’t as a first step put a detailed case forward for David’s compensation –
that is, as the Prime Minister indicates, proving Robin Bain was the killer –
so that the Cabinet responds with the input at that stage of legal advice to confirm or refute their claim?
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February 24, 2015 8:51am
flipper

Yvette…

You are a nasty piece of work, probably acting for Mr Bain ‘s relatives who “stole” his inheritance….. or someone with a bitter, twisted attitude to life. The type of woman who would have sat knitting, and clicked her needles, in applause as yet another head was removed by “Le Revolution’s big knife”.

But let me deal with your comments on J Key’s reported claim. Any MSM reporter worthy of the name would have had his guts for garters. What he got away with was just bullshit. And that will not be the case when the next in de[pendent inquiry gets underway.

Almost two years ago, The Outside The Beltway Group did a comprehensive analysis of the Bain, Binnie and Collins Conundrum.

A few extracts ( more if you wish ! ) are relevant:

” ….. In his response to Fisher, Justice Binnie (See Appendix C for full response by Binnie J.) makes devastating observations on Fisher. There are several variations of these examples:
“The document makes it clear that Mr Fisher has not read any of the evidence since his meeting with the Minister last September — this task (which I would have thought essential to an assessment of my Report)…”
and
“Once again Mr Fisher’s analysis raises distinctions without a difference to discredit a report based on evidence he hasn’t read. ….

and

” ….….In all the circumstances, we regard Fisher’s work as a waste of our money. We are not persuaded that is worth greater mention in this document, since it is of no value to the public. On the contrary, it may, eventually serve to strengthen Mr Bain’s hand should he elect to seek a JR and/or damages under a BOR action.

The other aspect that has caused comment in legal and political circles is Mr Fisher’s “CV”. There has been reference to and comment on personal issues. But few, if any, are without fault, and the authors make no such claims for themselves. The issue that really concerns us is Fisher’s long standing association with Police as an advocate (notwithstanding his support of compensation for a MOJ victim whose DNA proved he was not the perpetrator). He was part of a team that attempted various subterfuges before the Royal Commission (as found by the Commission) and advanced a disgraceful attempt by Police to evade responsibility for the MOJ suffered by Arthur Alan Thomas. ….

and finally….

“… ..
8. Justice Binnie responds to Fisher

We believe that Justice Binnie’s comments (See Appendix C below for the full detail) thoroughly demolish Fisher, the Crown Law Office, Police, and Collins. The following extracts (all comments by Justice Binnie) are demonstrative:

• Much of the document consists of generalities about evidence and a history of the “extraordinary circumstances” discretion which require no response from me except where he purports to apply some of the principles to my Report. As the Minister knows, the language of “recommendation” etc was removed from my Report as a result of her comment at our meeting of September 13. All of that discussion, it seems to me, has no pertinence.

• It is of interest that according to the document (a) Mr Fisher was retained on 26 September – the “Dear Robert” letter –(b) he met the Minister the same day (c) and without having performed the “first stage” analysis he reports that ” as we discussed, a second and final report will be required for the purpose of reviewing the evidence afresh and arriving at its own conclusions on the merits”. This seems a very results oriented retainer.

• It seems clear the Minister had already made up her mind on September 26 regarding the outcome. The only function of Mr Fisher’s “first stage” report was, according to his own recitation, to provide a rationale for a Ministerial decision already taken.

• The document makes it clear that Mr Fisher has not read any of the evidence since his meeting with the Minister last September — this task (which I would have thought essential to an assessment of my Report) he reserves for “the second and final report” — an exercise apparently predetermined at the September 26 meeting ..,.,.

• Mr Fisher passes over the fact the structure of the argument of the parties to my inquiry was largely derived from the decision of the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council in 2007 . That decision laid out in great detail the important FACTUAL issues which the Crown Law Office and the Bain team continued to consider critical to the outcome.

• As to the luminol footprints, for example, the Privy Council asked the Solicitor General in the course of the hearing whether the Crown’s case could survive a finding that Robin made them. … The Solicitor General agreed in Court that whoever made the footprints was the killer (the actual quote from the Solicitor General in the Privy Council hearing is included in my Report — it was taken from a contemporaneous handwritten note and Mr Pike, for the Crown , who was present at the hearing, did not dispute its accuracy). Yet Mr Fisher thinks this issue should just be bundled up with everything else as if the Crown’s admission had never been made.

• Mr Fisher dismisses the luminol foot evidence as just a “single strand” of evidence ….. This just shows Mr Fisher’s lack of familiarity with the evidentiary record. When an admission is made in proceedings between the same parties on the same subject matter before New Zealand’s then highest appellate Court its importance is not to be diminished, in my opinion, on the basis of academic articles talking generally about the onus of proof.

• Mr Fisher’s main point is that “in a circumstantial case” bits of evidence are to be examined individually but the ultimate decision should only be reached looking at all the relevant evidence cumulatively. …. His analysis is based on criminal cases (see e.g. Para 44 where he quotes a bunch of criminal precedents and, amongst other things, a paper he delivered to a Criminal Law Conference in Auckland in 2003). This is not a criminal case. It is not even a law suit. It is an informal inquiry to be conducted (as he notes elsewhere) with a great deal of flexibility and discretion.

• Mr Fisher says at Para 72 that my “formulations are clearly beyond reproach”, His allegation is that I didn’t do what I said I did. This is just wrong. I did what I said I did. Otherwise I wouldn’t have claimed to have done it.

• Mr Fisher states that the “luminol footprint” evidence was “the foundation for my conclusion of factual innocence”. That comment was based, as stated, on my analysis of the evidence in light of the perfectly logical admission of the Solicitor General before the Privy Council, but nowhere did I suggest that the luminol footprint evidence stood alone.

• Mr Fisher’s complaint ….. is advocating a complete triumph of form over substance. I disagree. What is important here is the substance.

• Then there is a lengthy explanation by Mr Fisher of the onus of proof starting with the statement that “Mr Binnie has misunderstood the law in New Zealand on multiple onuses of proof’. This is demonstrably incorrect.

• The words “the Crown carried the risk” is the classic language of onus — in the absence of “further evidence” — or in my terms meeting an evidentiary onus — the Crown risks losing the point. Once again Mr Fisher’s analysis raises distinctions without a difference to discredit a report based on evidence he hasn’t read.

• At Para 111 and following Mr Fisher complains that I “relied heavily upon information sourced from David”. This is true, So did the police and the Crown Law Office. He was the only source of much of the information relied upon by both sides, e.g. paras 112 to 114 — I therefore had to decide whether, on the whole, I believed him or not. That was part of my mandate. ….. I found that in large part his credibility rested on its consistency with the physical evidence, not the other way around.

• Mr Fisher complains about my use of what he calls “innocent openness” evidence. What Mr Fisher fails to note (although it is explained in my Report) is that the use of “innocent openness” evidence in this case did not originate with me but with the Judicial Committee [of the Privy Council] — as mentioned earlier.

• Lord Bingham is quoted as puzzling over why David Bain, if he was guilty, would have made some of the statements he did. Accordingly, if I am guilty of sinning I do so in the good company of the five judges of the Privy Council. Once again, Mr Fisher’s complaints are academic and theoretical and indicate little familiarity with reality of the case.

• Mr Fisher finds it surprising that I quoted David Bain’s claims of innocence at “the beginning and the end of the Executive Summary”. I would have found it extraordinary NOT to quote his claims of innocence,

• At Para 128 and following Mr Fisher finds surprising my references to the 2009 jury acquittal. At Para 131 he calls these references “an inappropriate distraction”. Given that the acquittal is the starting point of the claim for compensation, and that it is a fundamental part of the narrative, this complaint is off the mark as well. …. If Mr Fisher felt “inappropriately distracted” it was not for want of explanation on my part.

• At pages 42 to 50 …. Mr Fisher does not accept the Cabinet reference to “failure to investigate the possibility of innocence”. He wants to add the words (which appear nowhere in any official document that I know of) “and elected not to investigate in case innocence emerged”. That is not the directive I was given and if it is to be amended in this fashion it should be amended by Cabinet not Mr Fisher.

• I should also say that for someone who insists that Cabinet should not be burdened with conclusions and recommendations Mr Fisher’s draft report contains plenty.

• At Para 197 Mr Fisher thinks I should have said more about the lack of an “official admission or judicial finding of serious misconduct” . Having found there were no such admissions or findings there was nothing more to say.

• In my view Cabinet could take the view, as in some other common law jurisdictions, that to pay compensation simply announces that the state is willing to shoulder its proper share of responsibility of a miscarriage of justice that resulted in someone spending 13 years in prison. Cabinet need not do so.

• At Para 221 and following Mr Fisher goes into what he sees at criticisms of certain individuals. All of the criticisms he mentions were made public at the 2009 trial and the people involved had every chance to explain themselves and they did so.

• As to Para 235, the Crown Law Office was not there solely “to protect the interest of the state”. ….. There was no division of interest between the Crown and the police and the Crown could (and did) represent everybody in the state employment.

• I regard the idea that parts of my Report should not be published because some people are criticized to be contrived. …”

So much for Fisher. He was always regarded by his peers as second grade. His willingness to write to Collins’ prescription is proof positive. No further comment is necessary.
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February 24, 2015 8:53am
UglyTruth

UT making shit up again

Not even.

Christ Church, Hampstead, is a Church of England (Anglican) church in London. Anglicans were one of the Christian denominations involved in the Canadian residential school genocide, Hampstead is near Lambeth, which has a history on institutional child abuse.
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February 24, 2015 8:54am
waikatogirl

LRC: And this one – you know all those dollar shops run by Asians with limited English ? I don’t know if I care about them selling Swastika products – to each their own – but get this . . .
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Asians have a religious symbol (Budist?) that is like the Swastika only with the arms in the opposite direction. Are you sure it was a Swastika you are speaking of?
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February 24, 2015 8:55am
Paulus

Surely much can be moved forward if David Bain stood in the Witness Box.
Karam is Bain’s worst enemy.
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February 24, 2015 8:57am
Rowan

Good call Flipper
Yvette you are a joke!
Flip, have OTB published anything more on the Bain case or the current Lundy one?
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February 24, 2015 8:58am
UglyTruth

But can you explain why the Bain Team hasn’t as a first step put a detailed case forward for David’s compensation –
that is, as the Prime Minister indicates, proving Robin Bain was the killer

Probably because they think that the system should be looking for innocence on balance of probabilities rather than formal proof of innocence.
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February 24, 2015 9:00am
oldpark

First It was just plain “Angry Andy Little”. Then it became “Apartheid Angry Andy Little”, and now it seems he will be known as “Yellow Belly Apartheid Angry Andy Little”. What an indictment for a cloth capped union installed so called Labour Party Leader.He and his trough sucking taxpayer paid bludgers with all his sycophant hangerons. They are an embarrassment to the past history of NZ and their pioneers ,that helped make NZ a proud nation. If we get attacked “Yellow Belly” Little will be the first to scream for NZs protection. It is common knowledge that cowardly bullies hiding behind womens’ skirts scream the loudest,when under threat.Wake up Little and support the present Government, rather THAN DENIGRATE IT ,in their choice of National SECURITY IN THE LONG RUN.
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February 24, 2015 9:01am
Grant

“Christ Church, Hampstead, is a Church of England (Anglican) church in London. Anglicans were one of the Christian denominations involved in the Canadian residential school genocide,………”

Just as a matter of interest UT, how many were convicted for the above genocide, and what was their punishment? Also how many were killed and what were their names?

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February 24, 2015 9:04am
kowtow

“the Canadian residential school genocide”

UT ,barking mad.
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February 24, 2015 9:05am
Grendel

waikato girl, the hindu swastika is not neccessarily in the opposite direction, though sometimes it is a bit more flared at the ends,

we spent 3 weeks in india and nepal and they are everywhere (though less common in nepal). its a symbol of good luck and prosperity and one we saw painted on one of the ghats on the banks of the ganges was 10-15 feet high.

they are engraved in everything, and are all over the place.

the symbol is purported to have aryan roots, which is why the nazis went for it, and in the 1930s few people had access to the world to see where it came from.

what i realised after 3 weeks of seeing this symbol everywhere with a very happy meaning, was that once i landed back home, the next one i saw was not likely to be as happy (outside the home of a hindu). context means everything.
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February 24, 2015 9:10am
SGA

@Yvette (in particular), flipper, Rowan, UT et al.
There is a whole ongoing thread about the Bain review – take it there please.
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February 24, 2015 9:14am
Yvette

Flipper, despite your unneeded abuse, you still offer no explanation why the Bain Team has not made a detailed case to which the Cabinet would then respond,
The Cabinet response then may or may not need a full advice such as the Binnie Report.

What he got away with was just bullshit. And that will not be the case when the next in de[pendent inquiry gets underway.
Why was Key so utterly wrong, in your opinion, in what he said? Why is there no Law Society comment or similar if he is so out of place?
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February 24, 2015 9:18am
Yvette

SGA
I am sorry for offending you in raising the matter here.
The reason I didn’t raise this on the existing Bain thread is that there are only Rowan and a couple of dedicated others playing with themselves and you have seen their reaction.
I thought the question worthy of wider and more sensible consideration.

Why does the Bain Team not first make their submission – it is their claim – and then Cabinet respond, with or without any Report or advice?
But I have asked my question and will leave it at that.
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February 24, 2015 9:27am
SGA

Yvette 9:27 am

The reason I didn’t raise this on the existing Bain thread is that there are only Rowan and a couple of dedicated others playing with themselves.

There’s probably a good reason for that; the same one that led to my comment above.
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February 24, 2015 9:30am
flipper

Rowan…

Not yet.

Yvette …….

Such comments (factual expressions of opinion, not “abuse”) by me are reserved for those that deserve them. BTW …Read the letter appointing Binnie.
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February 24, 2015 9:46am
jcuk

My explanation of the swastika was that Hitler thought it a good sign but got it the wrong way around. Must have been during WWII that I was told that by my guardian who had spent time in India. We had trinkets around the house dating from that period of her life which must have caused me to ask the question.
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February 24, 2015 9:54am
flipper

Yvette….

You seem unconvinced”: by facts… So a little more…..

“…. ….
Judith Collins inherited the Justice portfolio from the Hon Simon Power when John Key named his Cabinet following the 2011 General Election.

Simon Power, following discussions with those representing Mr David Bain, and with the prior approval of The Cabinet, appointed The Hon Justice Ian Binnie Q.C., C.C., a retired Canadian Supreme Court Justice, to undertake an independent review of the Bain saga in accordance with a lengthy letter of appointment dated November 10, 2011. This mandate is included in Justice Binnie’s report.

Collins, as the then Minister of Police, was a party to the decision, and is bound by Cabinet collective responsibility. On assuming the role of Minister of Justice, she was likewise bound by the earlier Cabinet decision – and the undertakings given to Mr Bain (et al) by Mr Power.

To ensure that he was not blind-sided by any idiosyncrasies in New Zealand law, of which he was unaware, he contracted two Auckland University Law Professors, Messrs Paul Rishworth, and Scott Optican, to assist him. Their role was to ensure that he in no way misunderstood or misapplied, New Zealand Law. Justice Binnie has since received unsolicited support from Associate Professor Kenneth Palmer of AU – a man with 30 years’ experience as a prosecutor.

On or about August 30, 2012 Justice Binnie delivered his three part Report (203 pages), plus the voluminous Book of Documents, containing interview transcripts and other documents, to Judith Collins at the Ministry of Justice, The Vogel Centre, Aitken Street, Wellington.

We presume that the report was read by the Secretary of Justice, to whom it was delivered, who then discussed it with Collins. There may have been discussions within the Ministry, but short of a JR we will probably never know. ….”

Can you now guess why Adams reached the settlement with Reed/Karam? Not hard if you anticipate what Simon Power would have told the HC, is it?
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February 24, 2015 10:00am
calendar girl

CHFR @8:46am –

“….. and Pete George linking back to his own blog again.”

That device tends to annoy me, too. But I read his link this time, because the obvious demographic connection between obesity and lower incomes does need to be recognised in bringing about long-term, positive change. Not, in my view, by throwing more random taxpayer funds at beneficiaries (I’m pleased to see that PG feels similarly).

The obesity problem in western society has to be addressed before it becomes too late. Solutions from the vocal socialists always involve ‘more welfare’, ‘sin taxes’ and curtailment of commercial marketing, neone of which will work holistically. We need realistic alternatives.
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February 24, 2015 10:01am
CrazyIvan

UT, Lambeth and Hampstead are on opposite side of the Thames, about 10km away from each other, so not near at all really…
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February 24, 2015 10:13am
UglyTruth

Just as a matter of interest UT, how many were convicted for the above genocide, and what was their punishment?

No convictions from a court of competent jurisdiction. Kevin Arnett’s original “common law court” was based in Brussels, which is not a common law country.

Looks like he is setting up the republic of Kanata to fail in a similar way:

http://www.kanatarepublic.ca/

Welcome to the official site of the Republic of Kanata, lawfully established under common law on January 15, 2015 on the territory of the former “Dominion of Canada”.
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February 24, 2015 10:13am
Lucia Maria

From Voice of America: Report to Allege Direct Kremlin Link to Ukraine Invasion

The editor of a leading independent Russian newspaper says he plans this week to publish what purports to be an official Kremlin strategy document outlining Russia’s 2014 invasion of Ukraine.

Novaya Gazeta editor Dmitri Muratov said the document appears to have been prepared weeks before Ukraine’s pro-Russian President Viktor Yanukovych was driven from office in February 2014, following weeks of anti-government protests in Kyiv.

Muratov’s disclosure came in an interview with Moscow’s Ekho Moskvy radio. He did not reveal how the document was obtained, but said he is confident it is authentic.

Muratov quotes the 2014 document as saying Moscow was obliged to intervene in Ukraine to protect against the possible loss of the Ukrainian market for Russia’s natural gas. He said the document also noted the risks to the Russian economy and to western European consumers, if Moscow were to lose control of pipelines carrying natural gas through Ukraine to Western markets.

The editor also said evidence shows the strategy document was prepared between February 4 and February 15, 2014. Yanukovych did not abandon the presidency and flee to Russia until February 22.

Novaya Gazeta, founded by former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, is renowned for its aggressive investigations of corruption within the Kremlin, and has been nominated for a 2015 Nobel Peace Prize. Six of its journalists have been killed since 2001, including Kremlin critic Anna Politskovskaya, who was shot dead at point blank range in 2006 after publishing reports critical of the Kremlin for Russian military actions in Chechnya.

Well, I wonder if the editor will live to prove his allegations.
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February 24, 2015 10:13am
stephieboy

Super Patriot Rudy Guliani and the half dozen deferments he won avoiding the draft in the Vietnam war,

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/wayne-barrett-rudy-giuliani-love-article-1.2122253
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February 24, 2015 10:27am
Shawn Herles

“Kevin Arnett’s original “common law court””

Kevin Arnett is a loon with a documented history of mental health problems. UGLY has trotted this fraud out before, repeating Arnett’s claim that he was a valid “International Court” which was utter rubbish.

“No convictions from a court of competent jurisdiction.”

What UglyNut means by this is no convictions from any real court. Arnett’s “court” is just Arnett ranting on a blog. He nor anything he sets up is a court, of any sort whatsoever.

The fact that Arnett has “ceceded” from Canada and set up a fantasy country on the internet is a good example of the kind insane sources Ugly uses, and a good example of the reality free bullshit that Ugly spews daily on KB.

Here is some info on Arnett. It has multiple articles detailing his lunacy and lies, including faking a mass grave.

http://www.genuinewitty.com/kevin-annett/
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February 24, 2015 10:30am
UglyTruth

Kevin Arnett is a loon with a documented history of mental health problems. UGLY has trotted this fraud out before, repeating Arnett’s claim that he was a valid “International Court” which was utter rubbish.

Shawn is lying again. I have never claimed that.
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February 24, 2015 10:43am
Fletch

Someone posted a comment yesterday about Israel opening a dam and flooding Gaza.

It’s not true, but that hasn’t stopped the story being repeated by Al Jazeera and other outlets.

As the Spokesperson’s Office of the unit of Coordination of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) relayed to HonestReporting:

The claim is entirely false, and southern Israel does not have any dams. Due to the recent rain, streams were flooded throughout the region with no connection to actions taken by the State of Israel.

Prior to the storm, the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories allowed the transfer of four water pumps belonging to the Palestinian Water Authority from Israel into Gaza to supplement the 13 pumps already in the Gaza Strip in dealing with any potential flooding throughout the area.

http://honestreporting.com/dam-busted-palestinian-lie-exposed/
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February 24, 2015 10:53am
Fletch

American president John Quincy Adams on Islam –

In the seventh century of the Christian era, a wandering Arab of the lineage of Hagar, the Egyptian, combining the powers of transcendent genius, with the preternatural energy of a fanatic, and the fraudulent spirit of an impostor, proclaimed himself as a messenger from Heaven, and spread desolation and delusion over an extensive portion of the earth. Adopting from the sublime conception of the Mosaic law, the doctrine of one omnipotent God; he connected indissolubly with it, the audacious falsehood, that he was himself his prophet and apostle. Adopting from the new Revelation of Jesus, the faith and hope of immortal life, and of future retribution, he humbled it to the dust, by adapting all the rewards and sanctions of his religion to the gratification of the sexual passion. He poisoned the sources of human felicity at the fountain, by degrading the condition of the female sex, and the allowance of polygamy; and he declared undistinguishing and exterminating war, as a part of his religion, against all the rest of mankind. THE ESSENCE OF HIS DOCTRINE WAS VIOLENCE AND LUST: TO EXALT THE BRUTAL OVER THE SPIRITUAL PART OF HUMAN NATURE.

Between these two religions, thus contrasted in their characters, a war of twelve hundred years has already raged. That war is yet flagrant; nor can it cease but by the extinction of that imposture, which has been permitted by Providence to prolong the degeneracy of man. While the merciless and dissolute dogmas of the false prophet shall furnish motives to human action, there can never be peace upon earth, and good will towards men. The hand of Ishmael will be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. It is, indeed, amongst the mysterious dealings of God, that this delusion should have been suffered for so many ages, and during so many generations of human kind, to prevail over the doctrines of the meek and peaceful and benevolent Jesus (Blunt, 1830, 29:269, capitals in orig.).

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The precept of the koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force (Blunt, 29:274).

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The fundamental doctrine of the Christian religion, is the extirpation of hatred from the human heart. It forbids the exercise of it, even towards enemies. There is no denomination of Christians, which denies or misunderstands this doctrine. All understand it alike—all acknowledge its obligations; and however imperfectly, in the purposes of Divine Providence, its efficacy has been shown in the practice of Christians, it has not been wholly inoperative upon them. Its effect has been upon the manners of nations. It has mitigated the horrors of war—it has softened the features of slavery—it has humanized the intercourse of social life. The unqualified acknowledgement of a duty does not, indeed, suffice to insure its performance. Hatred is yet a passion, but too powerful upon the hearts of Christians. Yet they cannot indulge it, except by the sacrifice of their principles, and the conscious violation of their duties. No state paper from a Christian hand, could, without trampling the precepts of its Lord and Master, have commenced by an open proclamation of hatred to any portion of the human race. The Ottomanlays it down as the foundation of his discourse (Blunt, 29:300)

Joseph Blunt (1830), The American Annual Register for the Years 1827-8-9 (New York: E. & G.W. Blunt), 29:267-402, [On-line],
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February 24, 2015 10:57am
Shawn Herles

Ugly claims: “Shawn is lying again. I have never claimed that.”

Here is the post where he did exactly that,

“Historic Breaking News from The International Tribunal into Crimes of Church and State (ITCCS) – Monday, March 31, 2014

Massive Deaths of Aboriginal Children in Canada is officially admitted, as Genocide Verdict and Kevin Annett’s work are finally vindicated –

“Canada, the Crown and the Vatican stand guilty as charged as disestablished criminal bodies” – International Common Law Court of Justice, Brussels

http://itccs.org/category/genocide-in-canada/”

Note that the “ITCCS” was just Arnett ranting on a blog, yet Ugly repeated his fraudulent claims, including the claim to be a valid international court.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/04/general_debate_4_april_2014.html

Clearly, UglyNut cannot be trusted when he lies about his own words.
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February 24, 2015 10:58am
UglyTruth

Documentation of crimes carried out by the Anglican, Catholic, and Unitarian churches and the Canadian state.

http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/dia_archives_index.html

Witness testimonies:

http://canadiangenocide.nativeweb.org/affadavits_sample.html
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February 24, 2015 11:04am
Nukuleka

Keeping Stock: no apologies needed for being a ‘pedant’! My apologies to Alfred Ngaro for my error!

I guess that because he is such a handsome guy I naturally assumed that he is a Samoan (with further apologies to Cook Islanders!)

Given that he is such a looker the amazing thing is that he has become the bogeyman for the poofs and queers at the Gay Pride Parade rather than their iconic political pin-up boy. But, of course, they already have Kevin Hague, I guess.
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February 24, 2015 11:05am
Manolo

A good article from the WSJ: http://www.wsj.com/articles/l-gordon-crovitz-from-internet-to-obamanet-1424644324

Both ObamaCare and “Obamanet” submit huge industries to complex regulations. Their supporters say the new rules had to be passed before anyone could read them. But at least ObamaCare claimed it would solve long-standing problems. Obamanet promises to fix an Internet that isn’t broken.

The more than 300 pages of new regulations are secret, but Mr. Wheeler says they will subject the Internet to the key provisions of Title II of the Communications Act of 1934, under which the FCC oversaw Ma Bell.

The Messiah is transforming America. Indeed.
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February 24, 2015 11:10am
Fletch

The story about Muslims in Oslo holding hands and forming a ring of protection around a Jewish synagogue was also highly exaggerated. There were about 20 Muslims that showed up – not enough to form any kind of ring. The rest were locals.

The weekend’s feel-good story about a Muslim “ring of peace” formed to “protect” Jews at an Oslo synagogue turned out to be a complete fabrication by the mainstream media, according to an eyewitness report, local officials, and attendees’ photos.

According to a local eyewitness, only about 20 or so Muslims formed the “ring of peace” around the Oslo synagogue. In fact, pictures from multiple angles show that there wasn’t enough people to form a ring, so the locals instead formed a horizontal line in front of the synagogue.

A local news outlet explained how the media got to its “1,300 Muslims” number. “According to police, there were 1300 persons present in the event. Very many of them ethnic Norwegians,” read a translated report from Osloby

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/02/22/media-hoax-20-muslims-holding-hands-become-1000-strong-ring-of-peace-at-oslo-synagogue/
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February 24, 2015 11:15am
UglyTruth

Here is the post where he did exactly that

Context is everything. The original question was

“Back to the genocide again Ugly. Do you have any actual evidence of this?”

I was responding to a question about evidence of genocide, not the legitimacy of Arnett’s “court”.

What I posted what a cut and paste from ITCCS, The text from the original link is gone, but here is a link to that same text.

http://itccs.org/2014/03/31/massive-deaths-of-aboriginal-children-in-canada-is-officially-admitted-as-genocide-verdict-and-kevin-annetts-work-are-finally-vindicated/

Shawn is getting desperate here, implying that a cut and paste about an unrelated issue is a relevant claim.

Here’s another clue Shawn is lying: “Ugly repeated his fraudulent claims”.
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February 24, 2015 11:17am
publicwatchdog

A big crowd last night, of between 350 – 400 (in my estimation) at the Wellington ‘Supercity’ debate at Sacred Heart College,Lower Hutt.

Overwhelmingly opposed to the Draft Wellington Reorganisation Proposal, if the audience ‘clapometer’ to speakers was the measure.

According to the Local Government Commission (LGC) officers present, so far, with one week to go 1600 submissions have been received.

Hardly evidence of ‘demonstrable community support’?

I predict that the majority of submissions received to date, and the final number of submissions received by 4pm Monday 2 March 2015, will be OPPOSED to the Draft Wellington Regional Proposal.

Because, quite simply, in my view, the main beneficiaries of this proposed Wellington ‘Supercity’, as with the PROVEN Auckland
‘Supercity’ precedent, will be BIG business, property developers, investors, speculators and financial institutions – who are numerically a small minority.

Seems that growing numbers of the public are not quite as stupid as hoped, and can see that this proposal is NOT going to work for local communities and the majority of citizens and ratepayers, which is CERTAINLY the proven case in the Auckland region, which had this ‘Supercity’ (for the 1%) FORCED upon us, without our democratic consent, by the John Key led National / ACT Coalition Government in 2009.

Lest we forget.

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 24, 2015 11:18am
publicwatchdog

Very concerned that Chair of the Greater Wellington Regional Council, Fran Wilde, stated at the Wellington ‘Supercity’ Debate last night at Sacred Heart College, that the reason for large rate increases in Auckland was the result of changing from ‘land’ value to ‘capital’ value.

Simply NOT TRUE.

Any views on this Auckland Kiwibloggers?

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 24, 2015 11:24am
Manolo

One can only laugh: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2964854/Sean-Penn-fire-xenophobic-Green-Card-joke-Mexican-born-Birdman-director-presented-Oscar.html

Sean Penn is in hot water over remarks he made about a ‘green card’ into relation to Mexican-born Oscar-winner Alejandro Inarritu who won Sunday night’s Oscar for best director.

In announcing the win for Birdman, Penn asked, ‘Who gave this son of a bitch his green card? Birdman.’
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February 24, 2015 12:16pm
EAD

Great article by Dr Henry Makow:

http://henrymakow.com/2015/02/Central-Bank-Scam-Explains-World.html

Some excerpts:

“Here is a frightening thought. What if mankind were the highest expression of life in the universe? What if God pinned all His hopes on this craven, credulous monkey, man?

What if a powerful satanic cult hijacked the human race? Imagine it displaced God and enslaved the human race in spiritual, mental and physical bondage.

The cult did this by virtue of a very simple scam. It interjected itself between the state and its people by creating the medium of exchange (money) as an interest-bearing debt to itself. Money creation is something the State is perfectly capable of doing itself, without incurring any debt nor paying any interest.

This fundamental fraud is the explanation for almost everything that has gone wrong with the world.

In order to distract society from the real enemy gnawing at its heart, the central bankers have always created a series of phony enemies and unnecessary wars”
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February 24, 2015 12:17pm
Manolo

The Obama administration plays the secrecy game with internet regulations: http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/02/23/house-chairman-urges-fcc-transparency/23882079/

A key Republican lawmaker in Congress called for Federal Communications Commission Chairman Tom Wheeler to make proposed net neutrality regulations public before a planned Thursday vote on the measure.

On the same topic: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obamas-regs-will-make-internet-slow-as-in-europe-warn-fcc-fec-commissioners/article/2560567
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February 24, 2015 12:28pm
kowtow

Fletch

Oslo ring of steel. Well done posting the truth .This is where blogs come into their own .Much the same thing happened with the politicians in Paris ,pretending to be Je Suis and in solidarity, cut off from the rest of the real world.

And the MSM (and politicians) wonder why no one trusts them.
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February 24, 2015 1:00pm
Grant

So there was no actual genocide then UT? No names, no details., no nothing?
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February 24, 2015 1:22pm
kowtow

This clown was the guy who pretended to have an underwater cabinet meeting to highlight ‘climate change”.

I’d be happy to see all politicians who push that climate change scam on to us taxpayers locked up.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/southasia/2015/02/maldives-police-drag-president-court-150223143212679.html
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February 24, 2015 1:25pm
cha

Oslo ring of steel. Well done posting the truth .

Yeah, wingnut bloggers know about what’s going on half a world away but local media who were actually there wouldn’t have a clue.
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http://www.tnp.no/norway/panorama/4834-thousands-formed-peace-ring-around-oslo-synagogue-norway-jews-muslims
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February 24, 2015 1:33pm
kowtow

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/11427713/Muslims-form-ring-of-peace-to-protect-Oslo-synagogue.html

Ah yes, here’s the AFP saying there were 1000 at the event cha’s link says had 2000. Reliable sources indeed!

Note the photo and wording is carefully crafted to imply 1000 Muslims attended. In fact at no point is it stated that there were 1000 Muslims. I believe Fletch’s link. It’s an exageration to make us believe that islam is the religion of peace.

Oh and here’s another one with AFP lying.This time flooding Gaza from non existent dams.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/191719#.VOvMEfmUcwA
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February 24, 2015 1:56pm
SPC

Super city plan is dead in the water.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/66575300/Wellington-region-largely-rejects-super-city-Poll
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February 24, 2015 2:32pm
Nukuleka

Good speech from John Key in Parliament on sending troops to fight ISIS. Solid reply by Andrew Little. Appalling whining nasty personal anti-American stuff from Russel Norman. Ghastly over dramatics from Winston, fumbling and erratic as ever. Can’t stand much more of it!
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February 24, 2015 2:38pm
stephieboy

cha, good to see this.Obviously there are those about that would like us to think that there are no such thing as a moderate Muslim and the 1.3 billion of them are all in fact closeted members of ISIL .
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February 24, 2015 2:40pm
wikiriwhis business

Retort: The 147 Companies That Run The World?

Fascinating post by colleague Bruce Upbin on the dominant ownership position of the “147 companies that control everything.”

But I think there is basic flaw in the thinking of the underlying study, which as Bruce notes comes from three systems theorists at the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, and which was picked up by the magazine New Scientist.

So, here’s the issue. We have met the enemy, as Walt Kelly once wrote in the comic strip Pogo, and he is us.

Most of the companies on the top 50 list are simply investment companies – they aren’t operating companies. (The only obvious example is #50 China Petrochemical.) The enormous size of these companies is simply a reflection of the way most people invest in the public markets, through mutual funds, money funds and other vehicles. Disturbing? Nah. Simply a reflection of the way most people invest in the markets.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ericsavitz/2011/10/24/retort-the-147-companies-that-run-the-world-theyre-you/
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February 24, 2015 3:18pm
kowtow

What a stupid idea. Then the Muslims will want one. And Sikh soldiers should wear the same hats as everyone else. Our police have caved on this subject. Uniform is uniform. If you don’t like it, fuck off.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11430070/British-Army-examines-plans-to-create-a-Sikh-regiment.html
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February 24, 2015 3:27pm
Manolo

@stephieboy: The brainwash is complete in your case and you will never see the danger ISIS poses to civilisation.

Barbarous Islam and its perverted culture of violence has won you over. All in the name of progressive multiculturalism.
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February 24, 2015 3:32pm
UglyTruth

So there was no actual genocide then UT? No names, no details., no nothing?

Estimates of 50,000 dead children over about 100 years, roughly 50% survivial rate at residential schools IIRC.

Witness testimony of intentional exposure to disease, and murder and rape.

Satanic ritual abuse was also reported.
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February 24, 2015 3:48pm
UglyTruth

Barbarous Islam

Same old atheists running their idiot mouths.

Why don’t any only of the chickenshits who downtick me try to argue the point?
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February 24, 2015 3:54pm
cha

Uniform is uniform. If you don’t like it, fuck off.

I thought you were a traditionalist.

1st Battalion – 14th King George’s Own Ferozepore Sikhs
2nd Battalion – 15th Ludhiana Sikhs
3rd Battalion – 45th Rattray’s Sikhs
4th Battalion – 36th Sikhs
5th Battalion – 47th Sikhs
10th Training Battalion – 35th Sikhs
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February 24, 2015 3:56pm
Manolo

The Brits nail the hopeless Ed Milliband, UK’s Silent T: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2966005/Tories-edging-ahead-Ed-holds-Labour-Conservatives-two-point-lead-poll-reveals-60-voters-don-t-believe-Miliband-make-good-PM.html
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February 24, 2015 3:56pm
SGA

kowtow at 3:27 pm

What a stupid idea. Then the Muslims will want one. And Sikh soldiers should wear the same hats as everyone else. Our police have caved on this subject. Uniform is uniform. If you don’t like it, fuck off.

But we’ll still let the Gurkha regiment carry their kukri, I hope 🙂
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February 24, 2015 4:14pm
Sponge

UglyTruth @3:54 “Why don’t any only of the chickenshits who downtick me try to argue the point?”

I suspect it is because it is very apparent that you are seriously unhinged and to reason with you is like trying to push water uphill with a pitchfork.
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February 24, 2015 5:29pm
Manolo

First tax increase in thirty years: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-23/singapore-raises-taxes-on-top-earners-to-pay-for-social-spending

Singapore will raise its top marginal tax rate to 22 percent from 20 percent, while others among the top 5 percent of earners will also see a bigger bill, Finance Minister Tharman Shanmugaratnam said in his budget speech in Parliament. The move restores the top tax rate to the level it was a decade ago, when the island cut it to attract more foreign executives.
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February 24, 2015 5:31pm
Reid

Great article by Dr Henry Makow:

http://henrymakow.com/2015/02/Central-Bank-Scam-Explains-World.html

Indeed EAD.

The Bolshevik Revolution was a ruse by the Cabalist Jewish bankers to destroy the only remaining country that posed a threat to their worldwide credit monopoly. Created in 1860, the State Bank of the Russian Empire created money almost debt and interest free. Contrary to the image spread by the Masonic Jewish Western media, pre-revolutionary Russia was thriving.

Goodson writes: “In 1861, Tsar Alexander II (1855-81) abolished serfdom which at the time affected 30% of the population. By 1914, very little land remained in the possession of the Russian estate owners… 80% of arable land was in the hands of the peasants, which had been ceded to them for a very small sum.” (p.78)

econ_tsarist.jpgBy 1913, Russia produced about 40% of the world’s cereal crops and exceeded the combined production of Argentina, Canada and the US by 25%.

From 1890 to 1913, Goodson says industrial production quadrupled and Russian industries were able to satisfy 80% of internal demand for manufactured goods. From 1895-1914, the increase in Gross Domestic product averaged 10%. In 1912, Russia had the lowest rates of taxation in the world because it did not pay interest on fictitious debt.

“Throughout the period of state banking, there was no inflation and no unemployment,” writes Goodson.

He continues: “On November 7, 1917, the Rothschilds, fearful that replication of this extraordinary example of freedom and prosperity would destroy their malevolent banking empire, instigated and financed a Judeo-Bolshevik revolution in Russia, which wrecked and ruined a wonderful country and resulted in the deaths by murder and starvation, according to Alexander Solzhenitsyn of 66 million innocent people.” (p.83)

lenin stalin.jpgCommunist leaders like Trotsky, Lenin and Stalin were nothing but front-men for the Rothschilds. Communism was portrayed as a peoples’ revolution. In fact, it was the brutal destruction of a proud Christian civilization by a satanic Jewish cult ultimately dedicated to enslaving mankind.

The fact that their unspeakable crimes get only muted treatment in the West is further testimony that Western society is a mental and physical colony.

This is all very common knowledge amongst those of us who’ve bothered to educate ourselves, there is reams and reams of material on it. And isn’t it interesting that the idiot sheeple who haven’t so bothered, are at the same time quite, quite certain that it’s most certainly not true, despite the fact that the morons haven’t even looked at the data. I mean what a bunch of utter fools, to let an issue of such importance simply slip through their idiot minds.
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February 24, 2015 5:51pm
UglyTruth

I suspect it is because it is very apparent that you are seriously unhinged and to reason with you is like trying to push water uphill with a pitchfork.

Wow, you’ve really got skin in the game there… cluck cluck cluck
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February 24, 2015 6:16pm
Viking2

Six Basic Rules for Good Health

1. F***ing once a week is good for your health, every day is even better.

2. F***ing gives proper relaxation for your mind & body.

3. F***ing refreshes you.

4. After F***ing don’t eat too much … Go for more liquids.

5. F***ing can even reduce your cholesterol level !!!

SO …… REMEMBER …

6. FISHING is good for your health and soul ….

And may the Lord cleanse your Mind !!!
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February 24, 2015 6:56pm
Viking2

EVE’S SIDE OF THE STORY

After three weeks in the Garden of Eden, God came to visit Eve. ‘So, how is everything going?’ inquired God.

‘It is all so beautiful, God,’ she replied. ‘The sunrises and sunsets are breathtaking, the smells, the sights, everything is wonderful, but I have just one problem.

It’s these breasts you have given me. The middle one pushes the other two out and I am constantly knocking them with my arms, catching them on branches and snagging them on bushes. They’re a real pain.’

And Eve went on to tell God that since many other parts of her body came in pairs, such as her limbs, eyes, ears, etc. She felt that having only two breasts might leave her body more ‘symmetrically balanced’.

‘That’s a fair point,’ replied God, ‘But it was my first shot at this, you know. I gave the animals six breasts, so I figured that you needed only half of those, but I see that you are right. I will fix it up right away.’

And God reached down, removed the middle breast and tossed it into the bushes

Three weeks passed and God once again visited Eve in the Garden of Eden.

‘ Well, Eve, how is my favourite creation?’

‘Just fantastic,’ she replied, ‘But for one oversight. You see, all the animals are paired off. The ewe has a ram and the cow has her bull. All the animals have a mate except me. I feel so alone.’

God thought for a moment and said, ‘You know, Eve, you are right. How could I have overlooked this? You do need a mate and I will immediately create a man from a part of you. Let’s see….where did I put that useless Tit?’

Now doesn’t THAT make more sense than all that crap about the rib?
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February 24, 2015 6:56pm
nasska

“When did you first think that you might be insane?” The psychiatrist asked.

“I was flicking through the Sky channels when I noticed they were showing women’s cricket and I thought to myself, ‘Ooh… that sounds like it might be good’.”
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February 24, 2015 7:14pm
RF

To combat the increasing road toll involving foreign drivers why don’t the airlines have a brief in flight doco outlining our road rules. Makes sense to me as you have a captive audience.
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February 24, 2015 7:28pm
Komata

RF

It’s an excellent idea, but I suspect it could founder on the well-known Asian tendency (especially amongst the Chinese), when asked if they ‘understand’ something,to nod and say ‘yes’, even when they actually either don’t have a clue or (because of their world-view which perceives all who are not their own to be ‘inferior’), don’t give a damn. It’s known as ‘saving face’.
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February 24, 2015 7:49pm
Harriet

“When did you first think that you might be insane?” The psychiatrist asked.

“I was flicking through the Sky channels when I noticed they were showing Eketahuna, and I thought to myself, ‘Ooh… that sounds like it might be a good place to grow old’. ”
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February 24, 2015 7:52pm
EAD

Indeed Reid,

Try explain this to the average person and they will either attack you, refuse to believe anything contrary to the “accepted wisdom” or will run a mile back to the farm to await slaughter.

A simple infographic that explains how when money is debt, wealth is poverty

http://weaponsofmassdebt.com/index.php/money-power/debt-money-tyranny/
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February 24, 2015 8:00pm
nasska

Any place is a good place to grow old Harriet…..it’s the alternative that is cause for concern. 🙂
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February 24, 2015 8:00pm
Longknives

Chris Gayle seems to have come back into reasonable form!
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February 24, 2015 8:20pm
Grant

are you saying that 50000 Canadian kids were murdered as part of a genocide UT? And anglicans may be responible?

Really?????
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February 24, 2015 8:21pm
UglyTruth

are you saying that 50000 Canadian kids were murdered as part of a genocide UT? And anglicans may be responible?

It’s the best explanation that I’ve got for the facts that are available to me.
Even the Canadian state refers to these people as survivors of the experience.

As for the Anglican thing, obviously most Anglicans are not like that, just as most Catholics are not paedophiles.
But when you have a union of a secular state and a religious church the outcome is a state of apostasy or hypocrisy.
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February 24, 2015 8:36pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k7zmggizrjh6mxx/UT%2016.gif?dl=0
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February 24, 2015 8:40pm
Grant

Ah so it’s an explanation then, and not a fact.

More like a theory than anything else? And a theory that you’ve come up with to boot.

Which gives it the same credibility as your hollow earth theory, among various others.

Nothing to see hear folks. UT being himself again.
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February 24, 2015 9:02pm
CharlieBrown

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/66649005/mother-devastated-after-man-involved-in-sons-killing-appears-on-x-factor

Wow – Mediaworks has completely gone down in my books. What they have said is fucking disgraceful considering the killer tried to play down his responsibility. The parole board should be revoking parole on him as he is clearly not acknowledging his culpability.
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February 25, 2015 7:50pm
Alan Wilkinson

I see the slimeball who heads up Griff’s IPCC is going down in a cascade of sexual harrassment charges.
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February 25, 2015 10:38pm
All_on_Red

Yeah Alan, he’s fucked. Gone now actually, can’t leave the country and has resigned. Sleazy creep. So funny. No sign of this in any NZ media which is hardly a surprise.
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February 25, 2015 11:20pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Ex IPCC head – Pachauri has just been admitted to a New Delhi hospital
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Sexual-harassment-case-RK-Pachauri-admitted-to-hospital-in-Delhi/articleshow/46367867.cms
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February 25, 2015 11:50pm
UglyTruth

More like a theory than anything else?

Not really. A theory can be completely arbitrary, but my explanation is based on applying Occam’s razor, which results in the selection of the most reasonable theory.

The chairman of Canada’s truth and reconciliation commission says removing more than 100,000 aboriginal children from their homes and placing them in residential schools was an act of genocide.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/residential-schools-called-a-form-of-genocide/article547129/

Quick Facts on Residential Schools

Aboriginal children were forcibly taken from their homes by RCMP. 1
150,000 Aboriginal children were taken from their families. 3
90 to 100% suffered severe physical, emotional, and sexual abuse. 1
There was a 40 – 60% mortality rate in Indian residential schools. 1

http://reconciliationcanada.ca/welcome/history/
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February 26, 2015 6:49am
stephieboy

Reid, you continue with the old canard that the Jews were responsible for the rise of Soviet Communism, Thus time from the stellar Moonbat Henry Makow.

The facts are that as from the mid twenties Jews made up only about 5% of the Bolshevik party membership most preferring the more moderate Menshevik party .Those who could ,like Merchants, Bankers ,Professionals like Lawyers and Dictors ,fleeing Russia after the .1917 October Revolutiin.

Will be interested to know how Makow explains the fact that Stalin a non Jew had eliminated prominent Jewish members of the Bolshevik party like Trotsky,Kirov , Kamenev and Zinoviev ?

I wonder if Makow or you can update us about this gigantic Rothschild Jew Bolshevik conspiracy since the collapse of the Soviet Union since 1991 ?
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February 26, 2015 9:39am
Gulag1917

A couple here operate according to contemporary Jewish modus operandi which is very often at war with national cultures and wonder why they get a reaction.
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February 26, 2015 9:46am
Gulag1917

“The chairman of Canada’s truth and reconciliation commission says removing more than 100,000 aboriginal children from their homes and placing them in residential schools was an act of genocide.”
No doubt the removal was well intentioned but the outcome was not very good. Some groups still have massive social problems and the help given to date has ever increasingly bad results. Things will hit rock bottom and then tough love maybe the only way out and upwards.
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