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IGM

Yet again more errant foreigners involved in road accidents. When is enough going to mean enough, this going for many already residents, still using bogus international drivers’ licences. This must be addressed NOW!
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February 23, 2015 8:02am
iMP

TURKEY has just sent 600 troops and 100 tanks in to Syria. Ordinarily that would be called an invasion, ie if Putin did it.
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February 23, 2015 8:07am
Longknives

India looked good last night- The Defending champs aren’t out of the picture by any means…
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February 23, 2015 8:09am
Nostradamus

Jihadist group calls for attacks on Western malls

I suppose our resident conspiracy theorist, UglyTruth, will argue that this militant group (Shebab) only has peaceful intentions?

Oh hold on – the article states that Shebab carried out “a bloody attack and takeover of a mall in Nairobi in September 2013 that killed at least 67 people” – so maybe no peaceful intentions.
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February 23, 2015 8:10am
kowtow

Trojan Horse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11427370/Islamic-radicals-at-the-heart-of-Whitehall.html
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February 23, 2015 8:12am
Nostradamus

Len Brown thinks big (and no, before you ask, it’s not another penis joke):

On Saturday, the Herald revealed that Auckland Tourism, Events and Economic Development (Ateed) had created a contract in London for one of its senior executives, Grant Jenkins, at a cost to ratepayers of more than $230,000.
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Yesterday, Mr Brown defended Mr Jenkins’ posting and other overseas postings.

He said Ateed had a brief to promote economic development in New Zealand and overseas.

“I totally back Brett [O’Riley] in his decision here. All they are doing is carrying our what we have told them to do and that is to encourage overseas investment in our city.

“This is a pilot project and it will conclude in September. The key thing I want to see is an outcome here,” Mr Brown said.

He did not accept the council was straying into the Government’s role of attracting investment and skilled workers to New Zealand, or moving away from core council business.

Asked if he was out of step with other local politicians and Aucklanders on the issue of overseas postings, Mr Brown said: “We have an Auckland Plan and an Auckland economic development strategy that clearly supports this type of activity.”

Shut down the Auckland Tourism, Events and Economic Development experiment now!
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February 23, 2015 8:17am
publicwatchdog

Good moaning Kiwibloggers!

Who’s going to what should be a SIZZLING debate on the Wellington proposed ‘Supercity’ tonight at Sacred Heart College, Lower Hutt, 7.30pm?

I’m looking forward to Greater Wellington Regional Chair Fran Wilde being ‘barbecued’ by Upper Hutt Mayor Wayne Guppy and Lower Hutt Mayor Ray Wallace.

(Meant of course in a caring way 🙂

Personally, I’ve been very impressed at the leadership role that has been played by both these Mayors, in standing up and ‘leading from the front’ in defence of their citizens and communities, against this attempted corporate takeover of the Wellington region.

Good on them!

(And I’m not easily impressed .. )

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 23, 2015 8:19am
Lance

@iMP
Into the area the Syrian govt doesn’t control right?
But you knew that and wrote that crap anyway… sigh
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February 23, 2015 8:20am
IGM

Come on Winnie, don’t worry about the few dollars Jerry incurred in costs (you distorted the amount) for his minor indiscretion. Instead, let’s have the $158,000 you pinched off NZ taxpayers.
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February 23, 2015 8:22am
waikatogirl

IGM: again more errant foreigners involved in road accidents. When is enough going to mean enough, this going for many already residents, still using bogus international drivers’ licences. This must be addressed NOW

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9 people killed in accidents involving tourists already this years. 2 of them were Kiwis.

It does seem there are a lot of inept overseas drivers doing stupid things on our roads. The latest, killing a 5 year old NZ girl was on a straight road with a double yellow line. The ute the Chinese driver was in hit the Kiwi family head on on the wrong side of road. The 4 members of the girls family are in Dunedin hospital in a serious but stable condition.
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February 23, 2015 8:22am
big bruv

Isn’t it amazing. Three UK Muslim girls decide to become jihadi brides and the pinko media in the UK decide it is worthy of saturation coverage.
The papers, and TV are showing endless interviews with these girls families begging these girls to come home because it is not safe. Not one of these family members taken the opportunity to condemn what is happening. or condemn Isis.

Frankly, the fact that these three girls have gone is worthy of saturation media coverage, however that coverage should in no way be sympathetic. The families of these girls should be ruthlessly questioned as to why they went, the media should not accept weak excuses about the family having no idea. The families should not be allowed to paint these girls as innocent when they clearly are not.

These girls should now be treated as enemies of the west. If located they should be detained and returned to the UK to face imprisonment. It is also time that the UK media (and all western media) took off the gloves when it comes to dealing with the poison that is Islam.

We are at war with the Muslim world, it is time that we stopped pretending we are not.
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February 23, 2015 8:22am
Nukuleka

I find it interesting that young men continue to commit suicide in such startlingly large numbers in New Zealand- and that a proportion of them are probably young gay men. It seems strange that anyone would commit suicide because of any stigma about being gay in these liberal days when it is almost a badge of honour to be a member of the LGBT brigade.

Perhaps therein lies the problem. Relentlessly the public is presented in such events as the Pride Parade where the overwhelming image of gay men is as drag queens, limp-wristed John Inman types or lisping muscle men in gold lame g- strings. The publicity around the ANZ’s garishly painted GAYTM machines also reinforces this image- just look at the MSM publicity the ANZ garnered the with the ubiquitous big-haired drag queens.

I find it unsurprising that young gay adolescents might not find the prospect of leading a life as part of this freakshow in any way appealing. I certainly wouldn’t. The fact is, of course, that most Kiwi gay men are perfectly ordinary blokes who just want to get on with their lives and not draw attention to their being much different from anyone else. The certainly don’t identify with the image that Pride or GAYTM portray.
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February 23, 2015 8:26am
hj

IGM (856 comments) says:

lost a mirror to a camper van driver on the West Coast. Noticed he was drifting… Bang! Couldn’t do a thing about it: no where to pull over, blind on rhs and a combined speed of 180km/hr. Also no mobile coverage.
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February 23, 2015 8:27am
jcuk

We are at war with the extremists not the Muslim world … those that cherry pick out of the Koran to suit their wish to do disgusting things.
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February 23, 2015 8:27am
iMP

Reuters is carrying Syrian reaction to the Turkish invasion overnight (100 tanks, 600 soldiers).

https://conzervative.wordpress.com/2015/02/23/and-the-syrians-dont-like-being-invaded/

Lance (8.20am), its still Syria, like the Southern States of America were still America, during the Civil War. The borders don’t vanish.
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February 23, 2015 8:29am
big bruv

jcuk

“We are at war with the extremists not the Muslim world”

Then why the deafening silence from the so called “moderate’ Muslims?
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February 23, 2015 8:33am
mandk

@ Penny

I’ve also been impressed by the leadership of Lower and Upper Hutt.

But the impression I have is one of abject economic failure in both cases.

Lowers Hutt’s cumulative GDP growth in the past 10 years has been zero.

Upper Hutt’s has been negative.

On the other hand, the region’s GDP has grown by around 20%.

The Hutt valley is an economic basket case, and the leadership have no idea what to do about it.
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February 23, 2015 8:33am
Inandout

jcuk: The hard part is to predict which Muslim will morph into a terrorist, merely by attending a mosque and getting sucked in by a radical preacher. A religion that controls the flock at every turn so they can’t think for themselves may find it very easy to turn them into wild eyed killers.
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February 23, 2015 8:34am
starboard

Hows this for garbage. Mummy upset her piece of shit son received a beating to within an inch of his meaningless life in prison. “Hes no saint but “….

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/66518940/bashed-prisoners-mum-wants-answers

Piss off you stupid dreg of society. I would say he had it coming after reading the story. And stop blaming everyone for his predicament. End of the day your shitty parenting and his poor choices got him there in the first place.
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February 23, 2015 8:35am
jcuk

Big Brov … the war will be won not by big mouths but by quiet opposition and peer pressure
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February 23, 2015 8:36am
KiwiGreg

Nostradumus – council following a typical “firemen first” policy – spending up large on jobs for the boys while cutting library hours. I agree ATEED should be abolished. No businessman worth his salt needs help from a local council bureaucrat.
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February 23, 2015 8:38am
hj

The police had an operation on tour operators in Te Anau (I heard), they had 124(?) people standing on the roadside because their drivers were unlicensed, disqualified, or no tsl licence.
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February 23, 2015 8:39am
peterwn

Interesting that Advertising Standards Authority has pulled up the Greater Wellington Regional Council concerning misleading claims in support of amalgamation. The offending piece concerned an alleged problem with water pipes in Lower Hutt.

Now interestingly a leaflet (dated December 2014) from the Local Government Commission was in my mailbox last week and indicated that 50% of water pipes and 40% of wastewater pipes across the region need replacing at an estimated cost of $1.7B to $2.6B. This got me wondering –
1. Are these pipes immediately due for replacement? More probably due for replacement over a 50 year period.
2. Are there problems indicating a serious backlog of replacements and maintenance? There does not seem to be. In particular with water pipes leak problems have been tackled with vigour in recent years particularly as that would defer costly headworks.
3. The existing Wellington area councils are sufficiently large that there are unlikely to be any significant economies of scale in merging waterworks management.
4. A new ‘super council’ is unlikely to be able to suddenly find a pot of gold to undertake this work.

So why is the Local Government Commission and the Greater Wellington Regional Council treating its residents like a pack of morons?
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February 23, 2015 8:39am
Inandout

Nukuleka: This trend to public display of gayness will be short lived if it offends Muslims, so the ANZ’s publicity stunt may backfire. If the walking of dogs can be banned in parts of London, how long before gays are similarly treated for daring to be gay in public?
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February 23, 2015 8:45am
big bruv

jcuk

The war will be lost by appeasers such as yourself. Do you really think that if we are nice to Muslims they will stop trying to kill us?
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February 23, 2015 8:50am
Maggy Wassilieff

@Publicwatchdog 8:19am

Dear Penny,
I cannot feel so sure that Fran will fry at the Supercity debate.
This lady and at least 3 of her Wellington Councillor mates have super regenerating qualities.
Like Zombies they rise from failed enterprises and appear again in our lives.
http://www.gw.govt.nz/Wellington-constituency/

Surely the question to ask… Who voted for them?
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February 23, 2015 8:51am
PaulP

Andrew Little with selective amnesia again

Although a safe blue seat, Little said the party will focus on roads and jobs. “Northland shouldn’t be taken for granted.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/66512111/New-poll-points-to-big-boost-for-Labour

Hmmm, does he not recall his party wants to can the “Holiday Highway”.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/rodney-times/5058439/Scrap-project-says-Goff

Kelvin Davis had to break ranks to support the road.

With Labour needing the greens to form a government unless something extraordinary happens I can’t see Labour putting a “focus on roads” any time soon.
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February 23, 2015 8:51am
wreck1080

John Key has basically said today that David Bain is not getting compensation. He says David Bain must prove his father did it to receive compensation.

Given 2 trials and a privy court investigation cannot find the truth it is obvious the evidence is inconclusive and only 1 living person knows the truth.

For those reasons, it is impossible to prove Robin Bain did it.

Personally I don’t think the first trial was fair and on that basis he should get something in the absence of any other information.
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February 23, 2015 9:06am
doggone7

PaulP: http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/rodney-times/5058439/Scrap-project-says-Goff

On the positive side, all the anti-Auckalnd sentiment throughout the country and the “Aucklanders want it they can pay for it” mentality will be put aside as the Holiday Highway supporters down country get into cheerleading for it.

Not realising probably that it’s to be a road completely in Auckland City. The fact that it comes to Northland is incidental but it makes great politics with the sudden splurge of care for and interest in Northland’s economy.
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February 23, 2015 9:09am
SGA

Well done Lydia Ko.
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February 23, 2015 9:18am
Manolo

Calling on the barbarian followers of the religion of peace living away. Multiculturalism UK-style: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11428309/Al-Shabaab-calls-for-attacks-on-Oxford-Street-and-Westfield-centres-in-new-terror-threat.html

Islamist terrorists have called for attacks on London’s Oxford Street and the Westfield shopping centres in the latest jihadist threat to the UK.
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February 23, 2015 9:18am
kowtow

“…..the war will be won not by big mouths but by quiet opposition and peer pressure”

Like the type of “peer ” pressure Baroness Warsi was using to infiltrate Whitehall with islamic activist.

The war will be won through Muslim demographics and multiculturalism.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11427370/Islamic-radicals-at-the-heart-of-Whitehall.html
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February 23, 2015 9:20am
Fraggle

jcuk there is NO “quiet opposition and peer pressure”, not the way around that will bring about peace anyway. When you see three 15 year olds head off willingly to become sex slaves (brides) or suicide bombers that clearly illustrates which way around the peer pressure is working.

I’ll bet the parents of Aqsa Mahmood were very happy seeing that expensive investment in private education wandering off to join those barbarians.

When will apologists understand and admit THE PEACEFUL MAJORITY ARE IRRELEVANT!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owq8TkQ0AXA
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February 23, 2015 9:21am
Manolo

These ungrateful Muslims have the cheek top blame their host country: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/02/22/uk-security-failed-to-stop-girls-from-going-to-syria/

The family of British woman suspected of encouraging three London schoolgirls to join the Islamic State in Syria said that officials “failed” to stop them from leaving the country.

No doubt the UK is much better off without the savages who joined ISIS.
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February 23, 2015 9:29am
Inandout

Manolo: Quite ironic really that the Westfield logo appears to have an Arabic design.

https://plus.google.com/116705982116614986647/posts?pid=5758878907120288530&oid=116705982116614986647

Will this be a family conversation in the future? ‘Mummy, can we go to Westfield Mall today?’. ‘Just wait dear until I check the latest terrorist alert’.
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February 23, 2015 9:31am
Shawn Herles

Some awful news.

Girl suicide bomber ‘no more than 8 years old’

“A young girl with explosives strapped to her killed five people and wounded dozens at a security checkpoint outside a market in the north-east Nigerian town of Potiskum on Sunday, witnesses said.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/66521575/girl-suicide-bomber-no-more-than-8-years-old

Some good news.

Iraqi forces prepare for major offensive against Islamic State-held Tikrit.

Thousands of troops and militiamen are massing in northern Iraq in preparation for a major offensive against the Islamic State-held city of Tikrit, and what Iraqi officials and militia commanders said would be an essential step toward the larger prize of Mosul.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/66512477/iraqi-forces-prepare-for-major-offensive-against-islamic-stateheld-tikrit
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February 23, 2015 9:33am
Lance

So the UK spy masters hacked into the cellphone SIM card makers so they could listen in.

They would be bored shitless listening in to my cellphone calls, but hey, some people will be worried about this.
And of they have nothing to worry about, they will worry that they have nothing to worry about.

Feed the paranoia I say

They are watching you and they are out to get you!
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February 23, 2015 9:35am
IGM

starboard: The imbecilic mother of the criminal son is, I think, a radical unionist and member of the Labour Party.
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February 23, 2015 9:36am
Left Right and Centre

So why is the Local Government Commission and the Greater Wellington Regional Council treating its residents like a pack of morons?

Because a lot of us are bloody morons. I received a leaflet about Wellington – to join the dots or leave the lot.

Wtf would I know ? Nothing. I’ve got no idea which one is better. I didn’t even know Celia was a green when I voted for her when she got in first time. That’s how dumb people are. Yes – I need help from commentators to know the good the bad the whys and wherefores or I’m totally lost. If there was a textbook called ‘Wellington Region: United or Untied ?’ I could look at it and actually know something. It doesn’t help that the politicians are boring – the whole thing isn’t terribly exciting.
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February 23, 2015 9:44am
Shawn Herles

Russia sending more tanks and troops into Ukraine to take next battlefront, Kiev says.

“Kiev has accused Russia of sending more tanks and troops into eastern Ukraine and said they were heading towards the rebel-held town of Novoazovsk on the southern coast, expanding their presence on what could be the next battlefront.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/66480655/russia-sending-more-tanks-and-troops-into-ukraine-to-take-next-battlefront-kiev-says

Evidence shows Kremlin directed snipers in Kiev – Poroshenko.

“Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko said on Friday (Saturday NZT) police evidence showed that a top Kremlin aide, Vladislav Surkov, had directed “foreign sniper groups” who shot and killed protesters in Kiev a year ago.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/66480522/evidence-shows-kremlin-directed-snipers-in-kiev–poroshenko
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February 23, 2015 9:44am
waikatogirl

Shawn: “A young girl with explosives strapped to her killed five people and wounded dozens at a security checkpoint outside a market in the north-east Nigerian town of Potiskum on Sunday, witnesses said.”

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This 8 year old was not a “suicide bomber”. She would have been used, a pawn. Would an 8 year old understand the repercussions of what was about to happen to her?
Shame on her parents if they were complicit in using their small daughter. Put them in the dock on murder charges along with the bomb makers.
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February 23, 2015 9:45am
jcuk

big bruv (14,349 comments) says:
February 23rd, 2015 at 8:50 am
jcuk The war will be lost by appeasers such as yourself. Do you really think that if we are nice to Muslims they will stop trying to kill us?

The trouble with aggressors such as yourself simply make the situation worse and encourage more to join the fight against the ‘evil West’
Unfortunately the West is between a stone and hard ground and while we should not appease the terrorists neither should we fuel their efforts which the intemperate remarks of those here surely will, including those who merely down-tick me.
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February 23, 2015 9:48am
Yvette

The council has proposed 10-year budget has two years of average rate rises of 2.5 percent, then rising to 3.5 percent.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/253207/auckland-rates-to-rise-in-10-year-plan

According to Mayor Len Brown, the 10-year budget includes some of the biggest decisions on Auckland’s future.
For households, it means big rates increases – an average of 5.6 per cent this year and 4.5 per cent a year thereafter.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11406157
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February 23, 2015 9:56am
publicwatchdog

So Mandk – is the primary function of local government to provide services and regulatory functions to provide for the needs of local communities and citizens and ratepayers, or to provide public monies and opportunities for (overseas) investors, BIG business, property developers, speculators and financial institutions?

Penny Bright
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February 23, 2015 9:58am
Fraggle

jcuk you demonstrate extraordinary naivete.
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February 23, 2015 9:58am
Andrei

And do you believe either of those stories are actually true Shawn?

If you do you are dumber than I thought
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February 23, 2015 9:59am
Shawn Herles

“This 8 year old was not a “suicide bomber”.”

I agree waikatogirl. Her actions were those of one, but I seriously doubt she really knew what she was doing. The poor thing was clearly manipulated, at the very least. She is a victim as much as the others that were killed.
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February 23, 2015 9:59am
jcuk

Already three down ticks … what a pathetic lot you are … cannot see by painting neutral people black you encourage them to be black just as the media and lefties painted ACT extreme right wing and all those joined the party and temperate folk left.

Not naivette but maturity of experience. Fraggie 🙂
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February 23, 2015 10:00am
mandk

@ penny

it helps if local authorities actually help to create an environment in which people can finds jobs and enjoy a good standard of living.

the 2 Hutt councils aren’t doing either.
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February 23, 2015 10:03am
Shawn Herles

“And do you believe either of those stories are actually true Shawn?”

It must be very dark up there in Putin’s ass Andrei.

P.S. The cold war is over. The US won. You lost. Get over it.
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February 23, 2015 10:03am
Andrei

Shawn those stories are either true or not true, fact or fiction.

Nothing to do with the cold war.

Its a binary proposition you believe them or you don’t.

If you believe them to be true you must have evidence to support that belief.

What is that evidence?
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February 23, 2015 10:08am
publicwatchdog

Good to see some Kiwibloggers now ‘getting’ what some of us said from the start?

NO to ‘Council Controlled Organisations’ (CCOs) – which have been the mechanism for the corporate takeover of the Auckland region?

Penny Bright

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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February 23, 2015 10:08am
Manolo

Palestinian violence: http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/WATCH-Jerusalem-Mayor-Nir-Barkats-bodyguards-tackle-Palestinian-terrorist-after-stabbing-attack-391824
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February 23, 2015 10:13am
kowtow

Racism. A black man gets abused by some brain dead football hooligans in Paris and it becomes the biggest progressive media world news item of the moment.And Scotland Yard are of course all over it.

A white woman and her kids get worse treatment from non whites in London ,and well ,it’s not such a big story.

Media hypocrites. I wonder if Plod of the Yard will be going into overdrive over this “hate” crime? I doubt it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2961465/Mother-targeted-threatening-notes-racist-graffiti-moving-new-flat-block-told-black-sisters-brothers.html
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February 23, 2015 10:14am
Shawn Herles

Putin’s Russia. Do traces of KGB, FSB and GRU lead to Islamic State?

http://en.delfi.lt/central-eastern-europe/putins-russia-do-traces-of-kgb-fsb-and-gru-lead-to-islamic-state.d?id=66856642

Exploring Al-Qa’ida’s Russian Connection.

“That Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden’s right-hand man and the leader of the global jihad movement since bin Laden’s death in May 2011, spent almost a half-year in the mid-1990s in the custody of Russian intelligence is admitted by both sides and is a matter of public record.[3] Just as significant, Zawahiri’s Russian sojourn occurred at a pivotal point in the development of al-Qa’ida; the shift in strategy, resulting in attacks on the “far enemy” (i.e. the United States), the road leading to 9/11, occurred after Zawahiri’s imprisonment by the Russians.”

http://20committee.com/2014/06/10/exploring-al-qaidas-russian-connection/
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February 23, 2015 10:20am
Manolo

Even these buggers claim “racism”. What a joke: http://news.yahoo.com/oscar-protest-planned-over-white-nominees-085942047.html
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February 23, 2015 10:21am
OneTrack

jcuk – “Not naivette but maturity of experience. Fraggie”

Will the silent majority of Muslims in New Zealand vote for or against Sharia Law once they have the numbers? If not, why not?

Will this be a family conversation in the future? ‘Mummy, can we go to Westfield Mall today?’. ‘Just wait dear until we have put our burkhas on.
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February 23, 2015 10:28am
Shawn Herles

Jim Rickards Says Russia Is Funding ISIS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZQTn93YSLI
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February 23, 2015 10:29am
Manolo

Miss Dim, you are suffering from delusions of honesty.
Pay your rates and return to Auckland, before your house is auctioned off.
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February 23, 2015 10:35am
Inandout

Manolo: Just so long as Benedict Cucumberpatch keeps his mouth shut. The celebrity world doesn’t need another fawning, crawling and embarrassing apology from a white actor.
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February 23, 2015 10:36am
EAD

Captain Bananas.

This is the problem when you do google searches of something you want to prove, and link to the first thing you find – what gives you the idea that Russia is funding ISIS against their allies Iran and Syria? Perhaps ISIS has fighters from Chechnya in it – quite a big difference from funding ISIS.

Following your chain of argument whereby when I link to an article from Global Research, Dr Paul Roberts, Occidental Observer, InfoWars etc. means ergo, I must support every single article they publish then I guess that means you must agree with Jim Rickards that a $100 Trillion dollar economic collapse is around the corner?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUpnY1pgxAs

Perhaps you’ve read his excellent book “Currency Wars” that details how Nixon pulled the USA of the Gold Standard which allowed the International Banksters and their central bank cronies to create the mother of all debt bubbles with a fully fiat dollar right across the world?

I look forward to your answers!

http://www.amazon.com/Currency-Wars-Making-Global-Crises/dp/B006JAM3UU
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February 23, 2015 10:40am
Lucia Maria

A bomb has killed two and injured many during a peaceful march in Kharkiv commemorating the day of the worst violence on the Maidan last year where 100 people were killed by snipers. Fortunately, the march was delayed by 10 min or so, therefore the number of people could have been killed or injured was greatly reduced. As usual, the trail leads back to Russia.

Four terrorists that attacked a peaceful rally in Kharkiv today were trained in Russia and using Russian weapons, the Security Service of Ukraine said today. They had planned a series of further attacks following the bombing, which killed at least two and wounded 11, but were arrested before they could carry them out.

“[The terrorists] were captured while attempting to attack with a flamethrower a club where soldiers and volunteers gather, as well as a shopping centre,” Markiyan Lubkivskiy, a senior adviser in the Security Service of Ukraine, known as the SBU, posted on Facebook.

“They had planned other sabotage and terrorist activities. Discovered was a Russian-produced ‘Shmil’ [flamethrower]. According to the testimony of detainees, the group was trained in Belgorod (Russian Federation).”

Ukraine crisis: Deadly bomb blast hits rally in Kharkiv ~ BBC
Kharkiv bombers were trained in Russia, says Ukraine’s Security Service ~ Kyiv Post
Ukraine Live Day 370: [Two] Killed, 10 Injured in Kharkiv Bombing ~ The Interpreter (this link has a video of the moment the bomb went off)
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February 23, 2015 10:42am
wiseowl

The Local Government Commission should be sacked.

The more info that comes out about this appointed body the more I am disappointed. Having members that are also on the Waitangi Tribunal is questionable and with all their suggested solutions being for amalgamations then one wonders how open minded they are.
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February 23, 2015 10:45am
Manolo

Aren’t these people complete barbarians? Back to 10,000 B.C.: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_SAUDI_MORALITY_POLICE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-02-22-10-46-55

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) — Saudi Arabia’s morality police detained a group of young men for dancing at a birthday party and referred them to prosecutors, according to a state-linked media report.

The news website Ayn al-Youm reported Saturday that the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice raided a private property in the city of Buraydah, arresting the men inside for “loud music and inappropriate dancing.”
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February 23, 2015 10:47am
Shawn Herles

Russia: Supporting terrorism, killing free speech.

“Russia warns media: You’ll be blacklisted for publishing Charlie Hebdo cartoons”

Russia’s notoriously rigid government media watchdog has warned newspapers and news sites around the country: Should you publish Charlie Hebdo cartoons, prepare to be blacklisted.

http://mashable.com/2015/01/13/russia-blacklist-charlie-hebdo-cartoons/
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February 23, 2015 10:50am
Lucia Maria

EAD,

Today’s Dominion Post includes a story on the gains made in medical research towards defeating cancer. One of the potential treatments is to use “tiny particles of gold” … “to latch onto tumours to show their exact size and location in advance of surgery.” That’s on page B1, the article Blood test and pill could detect the presence of cancer cells.

Now, in your ideal world, gold would be revalued to $58,000 per ounce from my memory of what you’ve said previously. Therefore this sort of potential use of gold might be kiboshed from the start, since who is going to be experimenting with a substance that is that valuable?

Never mind all those young couples who will not be able to afford gold engagement and wedding rings.
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February 23, 2015 10:51am
EAD

Lucia,

your prejudices do not allow you to see what is going in the Ukraine do they? I am not a fan of Putin nor a hater of him. I think he is a decent leader but has some bad elements. Pointing out that the EU has helped escalate this conflict does not made me a paid up agent working for the Kremlin.

Who would know from the utter crap that you and Captain Bananas post, for instance, that Ukraine is still just as corrupt as ever, and that its government is deep trouble over conscription, as most Ukrainian men are not especially anxious to serve in the war the EU has made in their eastern provinces? http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/10/ukraine-draft-dodgers-jail-kiev-struggle-new-fighters

It looks like the Ukrainians have no chance whatsoever, the “rebels” are fighting for their homes and their language, many of the Ukrainians are conscripts and appear to be fighting for nothing other than a regime in Kiev that to many took power illegally. I feel sorry for all those sacrificed for a cause they may or may not like in a war they did not want.

The EU and others have a lot to answer for.
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February 23, 2015 10:51am
Lucia Maria

EAD,

If the EU has made war in Ukraine’s eastern provinces, what European countries have sent troops there?

Of course Ukraine is still corrupt and many don’t want to fight in the war. The corruption is imbeded and will take time to sort out – kinda difficult to do that and fight a war against a much bigger neighbour at the same time!!
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February 23, 2015 10:55am
Harriet

“….Manolo: Quite ironic really that the Westfield logo appears to have an Arabic design….”

John Westfield who built Westfield malls was a Jew. He died some years ago – from memory the early 2000’s.

He adopted a daughter from an orphanage – the daughter of a prostitute and police sargent – conceived in the cells! — I think the mum was a heroin addict.

She inherited his wealth [$300mil ?] and now owns a V8 car racing team in Aussie. [You might have seen her on TV – dyed hair, lots of tatts, very chubby].

John Westfield was apparently a very good bloke and donated to a host of charities ect. The daughter is well thought of too.

RRM may know her name. He follows Bathurst ect.
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February 23, 2015 10:56am
Fletch

WOW, WOW, and WOW.

Rudy Giuliani dishes out huge helpings of the Truth left and right, talking about the U.S, Israel, Iran, terrorism, and opening a can of whoopass on Obama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0hUtumtQpA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYBTv1Z0U18

The only thing I don’t agree with is that somewhere he talks about Islamists having perverted Islam, when I think Islam is what it is. Someone had to give voice to this, anyway. Should be shared far and wide.
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February 23, 2015 10:57am
Tauhei Notts

Shawn,
Thank you for bringing that video clip to our attention.
I have been thinking about all this and thought that Putin was thinking
“This drop in the oil price is bad for my economy. I must play the long game to get it back up. I must somehow restrict production and hence limit supply of oil.
The easiest way to do that is manipulate the phuckwits of the Middle East, and a bit of help from Saudi Arabia wouldn’t go amiss.
Call me cynical, but one needs a degree of cynicism to comprehend Putin’s tactics.
And the lovely part of Kiwiblog is that if I have stuffed up that analysis completely some erudite commentators will come on here and tell me so.
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February 23, 2015 11:01am
Shawn Herles

Tauhei.

the biggest beneficiary of war in the ME is Russia. Since the fall of oil prices, combined with massive capital flight, Russia’s economy has crashed.

Putin’s moronic one note economy is entirely dependent on high oil prices. The best way to raise them is create turmoil in the ME.

Combine that with the evidence of significant Al-Qaida and ISIS leaders having connections with Russia’s KGB/FSB and it becomes obvious what kind of game Putin is playing.
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February 23, 2015 11:06am
Manolo

@Fletch: I await stephieboy’s condemnation of Giuliani for speaking about the “not-out-of-the-closet-yet” Messiah.
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February 23, 2015 11:08am
Gulag1917

The Poles do not like the Russians and vice versa and that is why there is perpetual war between them.
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February 23, 2015 11:08am
Harriet

Russia won’t be funding ISIS.

Israel and Russia are too close. Israel sells Russia hi-tech weapons. Israel also sees them as future security.

The Russian ambassador to 6 US Presidents said in his auto biography that “The biggest lesson the KGB learnt was that you cant trust the ME – as they stab you in the back.”
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February 23, 2015 11:09am
Manolo

He is so considerate and sensitive. Gives the reason not to call a spade a spade:

Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson said on Sunday that President Obama’s decision not to say the actions of the Islamic State is a form of “radical Islam” is at the behest of the Muslim community.

Johnson said the leaders argue their religion is about peace and brotherhood and “resent” that Islamic State is “attempting to hijack that from us.”

Obama is facing sharp criticism, even from within his own party, for instead using the term “violent extremism” to describe the actions of ISIS and other terror groups that are based on a form of Islam.
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February 23, 2015 11:16am
Shawn Herles

Lucia,

It is telling that EAD’s only ideological supporters today are Andrei, one of Putin’s obedient sheeple, Yoza, a Hugo Chavez fan and apologist for communist tyranny, and Ugly, who admitted last night that he believes the USA was founded by and is run by reptilian lizard people from outer space.

Birds of a feather…. 🙂
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February 23, 2015 11:17am
Lucia Maria

Gulag,

Perpetual war?? All because the Poles and the Russians don’t like each other? That is just so simplistic and stupid, it’s mind boggling.
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February 23, 2015 11:18am
kowtow

What is wrong in Britain? Why publicly commemorate your enemy. A Gandhi Statue for Parliament Square, alongside the communist terrorist Mandela and Lincoln who never did anything fo Britain. I thought Britain favoured the Confederacy in the civil war.

Back to Gandhi , Churchill as always is the man to turn to.

“It is alarming and also nauseating to see Mr. Gandhi, a seditious middle temple lawyer, now posing as a fakir of a type well known in the east, striding half-naked up the steps of the viceregal palace, while he is still organizing and conducting a defiant campaign of civil disobedience, to parley on equal terms with the representative of the king-emperor.”
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February 23, 2015 11:21am
stephieboy

Manolo, I see so Giuliani and you believe the President is about to hatch a gigantic nefarious Communist plot and takeover turning the US into a giant Gulag ?
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February 23, 2015 11:23am
kowtow

“Putin’s moronic one note economy is entirely dependent on high oil prices. The best way to raise them is create turmoil in the ME.”

Oh dear. Truth be told the turmoil could be laid at the door of the White House going back quite some time.

Putin warned the west not to destabalise his Syrian ally ,Assad ,did they listen? Look at the massive mess the west has helped create there.

Sure Putin’s not the nicest of people but at least he knows what he’s about,unlike the hypocrite Obama, Cameron,Hollande gang.

International war criminals who should be tried and hanged for what they’ve done in Syria and Libya.
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February 23, 2015 11:30am
Lance

@kowtow
There might be some truth in what you are saying but do you think Putin is anything other than a devious self serving manipulator?
Yes I do get the point that Russia’s history shows those are the types that succeed. Still makes them devious self serving manipulators.
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February 23, 2015 11:34am
Fletch

Manolo, it should be noted that when Obama held his summit on Islamist extremism (he probably doesn’t call it that), he actually excluded the Muslims who want to reform it. They weren’t allowed to participate.

The White House excluded members of a prominent group of reformist Muslims from its terror summit this week, apparently because President Obama rejects their argument that such groups as Islamic State of Iraq and Syria are actually motivated by Islam.

A group of 23 prominent Muslim reformers signed a full-page ad in the Sunday New York Times on Jan. 11 asking “What can Muslims do to reclaim their ‘beautiful religion’?”

But Obama and officials throughout his administration deny any connection between Islam and the terrorists beheading and burning their victims in a reign of terror in the Middle East.

Muslim reformers say the administration is ignoring them because they disagree with Obama’s refusal to acknowledge the Islamic roots of the extremists’ ideology.

Some of the most prominent reformers have argued for years that the ideological and theological roots of Islamist extremism must be addressed, but administration officials carefully avoided exactly that subject during Obama’s three-day summit.

The White House is also undermining its own efforts by working with people who sympathize with the goals of violent extremist groups, if not their methods, the reformers say.

“We have to own the issue of extremist Islamic theology in order to defeat it and remove it from our world. We have to name it to tame it,” Muslim journalists Asra Nomani and Hala Arafa wrote in an essay published Friday by the Daily Beast.

“Among Muslims, stuck in face-saving, shame-based cultures, we need to own up to our extremist theology instead of always reverting to a strategy of denial, deflection and demonization.”

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obama-kept-reform-muslims-out-of-summit-on-extremism/article/2560525

He obviously agrees with Islam just the way it is, thank you very much…
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February 23, 2015 11:40am
stephieboy

kowtow, re Churchill the man always to turn to .

Your not suggesting that Britain should turn the clock back and re conquer India ?

Is it true that you do a regular pilgrimage to the birthplace of Jefferson Davis ?
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February 23, 2015 11:42am
Inandout

When you consider that Arab oil producers have vast fortunes that must be invested this article throws some light on the subject.

‘Western investment houses estimate that oil-producing Muslim countries have accumulated assets of futures worth $2,500 billion. Some $2,000 billion of these are in the hands of the sheikhs and princes in Persian Gulf states – Saudi Arabia, Abu-Dhabi, Qatar, and others. They lost quite a bit of their wealth in the recent financial crisis, but seem to recovering nicely.

This year, they have purchased via London banks at least $250 billion worth of US bonds. They are seeking out ways of diversifying their massive fortunes – apparently the largest accumulation of wealth in the new age – without provoking waves of opposition throughout the world, which is paying 50 times the price of production for a barrel of oil.

An American businessman who travels often to the Persian Gulf (where he removes his kippah) recently told me that leaders of the ruling families in the oil empires are setting their sights on Israel with great desire to cooperate with the Jewish State. Jewish brains and Arab money – what could be better?

But politics keeps them at bay.

Nochi Dankner, chairman of the IDB Group and one of Israel’s most prominent businessman, found a way of circumventing the politics that block ties between the business communities in the Gulf and in Israel. More than two years ago, Dankner purchased shares of Credit Suisse via Koor Industries, an IDB Group subsidiary. Today he holds 3.2% of the bank’s wealth.’

And so it goes on, but ends with:

‘The greatest wealth in the world is just around the corner from Tel Aviv, across the Eilat Gulf. Should Israel connect to it, and even to a small portion of it, our economy’s scope would change completely.’

Ynet News

So as we can presume not all oil Shieks are stupid, then would not this ISIS disruption be against their investment interests if they saw the West de-stabilised? The financial golden rule always applies, you can’t put your money under a mattress (or camel blanket); it must work for you. The oil states need solid investments to cushion them from the eventuality of their wells running dry. They may of course use this huge monetary influence to allow the spread of Islam, but what use is a Muslim controlled Western country that produces little of what it used to?
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February 23, 2015 11:43am
Manolo

Not at all, stephieboy. I do not agree with everything Giuliani says, but at least the former New York mayor has the balls to unmask your feeble hero.

Is Obama a closet Muslim, perhaps?
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February 23, 2015 11:46am
Manolo

The NZ Green Party will be up in arms: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102444658?trknav=homestack:topnews:10

NEW DELHI — On a fenced plot not far from Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s home, a field of mustard is in full yellow bloom, representing his government’s reversal of an effective ban on field trials of genetically modified (GM) food crops.

India placed a moratorium on GM aubergine in 2010 fearing the effect on food safety and biodiversity. Field trials of other GM crops were not formally halted, but the regulatory system was brought to a deadlock.

But allowing GM crops is critical to Modi’s goal of boosting dismal farm productivity in India, where urbanization is devouring arable land and population growth will mean there are 1.5 billion mouths to feed by 2030 – more even than China.
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February 23, 2015 11:50am
kowtow

do you think Putin is anything other than a devious self serving manipulator?

I think he is not too different from most politicians. having said that he is trying to make Russia great again.Whether for personal or altruistic reasons I don’t know.What I do know is the vast majority of western politicians are shit,are weakening us and can’t be trusted.
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February 23, 2015 11:52am
cha

The real Rudy Guiliani, a draft dodging cousin marrying adulterous taxpayer funded philanderer, associate and business partner of a convicted felon and son of draft dodging violent criminal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8
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February 23, 2015 11:53am
kowtow

abu stephie

Where I might make pilgrimage to is none of your (note the spelling) dhimmi business.

You though might like to spend less time at madrassa studying the Koran and pay a bit more attention in spelling class.
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February 23, 2015 11:56am
UglyTruth

who admitted last night that he believes the USA was founded by and is run by reptilian lizard people from outer space.

I would hope that I don’t need to tell you that Captian Bubblehead is lying again.

What I said was: like the ones [his imaginary lizard people] who run his empire. I did not admit that the USA was founded by and is run by reptilian lizard people from outer space.

From yesterday’s GD:

SH: Perhaps this time it was alien lizard people living underground in the hollow earth and flying around in a Nazi UFO piloted by JFK. 🙂

UT: Like the ones that run your empire, you mean? The say that the eyes are the window to the soul.
http://images.wisegeek.com/great-seal-of-the-us-one-dollar-bill.jpg

SH: So Ugly thinks the USA is run by alien lizard people. This almost manages to make scientologists look sane! 🙂
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February 23, 2015 11:57am
stephieboy

kowtow, behold your hero Rudy Guillani re cha at !11,53am

I wonder if Fox or the Washington Times will do an investigative item about the draft dodging and those other shenanigans

Obama Muslim ? Why not ask the stelar Joseph Farrah and his WND ?
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February 23, 2015 12:00pm
Fletch

cha and stephieboy, did you even watch my video? If so, please point out the instances where you disagree with what Guiliani said, or where your views differ from his.

He is right on the money as to Obama, Iran and and its nucelar aspirations, Israel and Netanyahu, the administration refusing to call terror events for what they are – and on and on.
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February 23, 2015 12:03pm
kowtow

Obama Muslim?

Unlike other Presidents of the USA ,he did attend madrassa and Daddy was a Muslim, which means he comes from a Muslim family.

Claims to be a Christian which would make visits to Saudi Arabia a bit dodgy ,seeing as how apostasy carries the death penalty there.
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February 23, 2015 12:12pm
cha

Nah, read the transcript though, shorter – impotent and politically irrelevant draft dodging cousin marrying adulterous taxpayer funded philanderer, associate and business partner of a convicted felon and son of draft dodging violent criminal says shit.
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February 23, 2015 12:12pm
cricko

Fletch @ 10.57

Thanks for posting Giulianis speech.

A powerful speaker spelling out the truth.

You would have to wonder what the downtickers found in it to take issue with.
Maybe one of them could spell out their problem. (but they probably didn’t watch it anyway)

The real tragedy is that for reasons which are unfathomable to me the American media are still
protecting Obama at all costs.

The American public are never exposed to this kind of honest straight talking, the MSM just will
not report it.
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February 23, 2015 12:16pm
Fletch

cha, again, what part of what he said do you disagree with?
You are using the strawman argument.
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February 23, 2015 12:17pm
Elaycee

@Harriet (10.56am): I think you mean Betty Klimenko (sometimes referred to as Betty Saunders-Klimenko) who owns Erebus Racing. She is the daughter of Westfield co-founder John Saunders and for the record, she is also a top shelf lady. 🙂

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erebus_Motorsport

And you may be interested in this: The Westfield Group had origins in the western suburbs of Sydney. The first development was named “Westfield Place”, and opened in July 1959 in Blacktown. The name Westfield is derived from “west” related to the West-Sydney location, and “field” due to having located on subdivided farmland. The centre was opened by John Saunders and Frank Lowy.

You’re welcome. 😀
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February 23, 2015 12:32pm
cricko

Note that the likes of stephieboi and cha in typical fasion for those of that ilk
attack Giuliani personaly and ignore the content of his speech.

Always the same low tactic. Name calling and labelling.

Contemptable, dishonest but oh so typical.
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February 23, 2015 12:32pm
kowtow

“Obama’s claim that “No religion is responsible for terrorism, people are responsible for terrorism”, combined mendacity with hypocrisy.”

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/this_threat_cannot_be_fought_if_we_arent_honest_about_what_drives_it/
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