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mandk

This is clearly a resigning matter.

I wonder if Angry Andy knows about it.

The PM should go.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/66373669/national-party-staff-told-off-for-sprinkler-usage
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February 19, 2015 8:02am
Padriv Ustoev

Two teenagers beaten within an inch of their life by member of ISIS. Shocking footage of what led to the brutal beatings.

http://i.imgur.com/XywAQLD.gif
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February 19, 2015 8:05am
duggledog

12 year olds in Mangere shopping centre carrying weapons
Motor ways choking up more and more every day, as the snail’s pace of expansion continues (will never keep up with new residents)
One in three Aucklanders don’t have English as a first language
Skyrocketing rates set to continue with a perverted Mayor at the helm and the two main contenders lining up are socialists with no experience in commerce
Property not worth what it says on paper

If you live in Auckland, you’d seriously want to start thinking about getting out. If you don’t, you’d want to avoid the place if at all possible.

There’s a lot more to New Zealand than Auckland.
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February 19, 2015 8:07am
EAD

As all of their main social policies are just about identical, the one claim National have that differentiates them from Labour is that they see themselves as “competent” and do Socialism more efficiently and with slightly less waste than Labour. It is one point their supporters often point out – http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2015/02/this_is_what_the_protesters_are_calling_a_war_on_the_poor.html.

That point of difference is starting to crack and ring hollow now after recent incidents and when you see government departments spending like drunken sailors – what exactly the point of National?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/66353367/ministry-of-social-development-boss-rejects-extravagant-spending-claimsnz

Most interesting was the skyrocketing expenditure on “public relations” – i.e. money that is being pissed up against the wall telling the plebs what a good job the government is doing!
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February 19, 2015 8:10am
stephieboy

IGM (832 comments) says:
February 19th, 2015 at 7:36 am
Dennis: I take it you have not observed Muslim behaviour in NZ. They don’t work, drive around in shitters, which they invariably sell off the side of the road, flicked speedos and suspect repairs. We rented some a property, had to get them out; gave a couple work, they stole other employees’ tools . . . we don’t effen need them, nor do we deserve them

After this tirade of prejudice and shibboleths now time for the real evidence and facts.?
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February 19, 2015 8:11am
Chuck Bird

I have a 10 minute hearing in the HC Auckland at 9:00 am Tuesday 24 February if any lawyers who comment on KB think I should be paying one of them rather than represent myself. The former lawyer who has recently spent $80k to a dodgy lawyer is now representing himself as well. He is also considering suing his former lawyer.

I am happy for any on KB to go along and report things how they see them. Below is an interesting quote from the other party.

“I had great difficulty to get barristers to act for me even when I had cash to pay, but now I act for myself.”

Any useless lawyer that says I should throw away good money after bad an pay for a lawyer is totally incompetent. Sadly, such lawyers can end up as a judge.
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February 19, 2015 8:13am
oldpark

Dirty Harry alias Clint Eastwood,used to say “make my day”. Well to see Materialistic Turei from the broken down no electorate seat “commie green party” and a fence jumper from MCGILLYCUDDY SERIOUS PARTY, crying crocodile tears and mouthing off at “Apartheid Andy Little” saying he did her wrong, by not allowing her, and her band of scum sucking “green associates” to destroy the GCSB and SIS. His message to her and the green ratbags, we don’t need anymore ISIS huggers, we have quite enough with NZs MAIN STREAM MEDIA.,along with her, and her sycophants continiously putting our National security under threat on a daily basis, with their biased anti National security comments,just to score political points.
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February 19, 2015 8:15am
stephieboy

duggledog, yes Auckland dies have its issues including a very nice climate , beaches and yes a few young yobbos are running around with BBC guns which the police gave in hand .
No mass migration from the city as yet but plenty wanting to immigrate here .
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February 19, 2015 8:15am
Dave Mann

Actually, who gives a fuck about Team New Zealand and its choice of who will steer the bloody boat? The whole ‘sport’ is totally corrupt anyway and will a different helmsman be able to throw races in a less obvious way? I don’t think so and frankly I don’t give a toss.
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February 19, 2015 8:16am
Harriet

“….As all of their main social policies are just about identical, the one claim National have that differentiates them from Labour is that they see themselves as “competent” and do Socialism more efficiently and with slightly less waste than Labour….”

Thanks EAD.

‘Communisim be stealth’ were Key’s words a decade ago. And in that decade not one speech has been made by National on Freedom and Liberty. Instead all of Huluns polices have been kept. The Ministry of Wimmin’s Batteries remains….public service is still choka block…..

“Labour lite? Labour now perfect.”
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February 19, 2015 8:18am
duggledog

Where are you Steph? Sydney?
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February 19, 2015 8:18am
wiseowl

Auckland inundated with immigrants allowed in by a seemingly secret agenda by Nats and Labour to have mass immigration with NO mandate from the people who built this country.

House prices pushed higher and higher by immigrants and non-resident investors meaning kiwis can’t buy a home.

But pollies blind and deaf.
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February 19, 2015 8:24am
Jack5

Re Dave Mann at 8.16: agreed. As bystander entertainment, yacht racing is marginally more exciting than watching paint dry, even with computer graphics and roaring commentary.

Taxpayer support for Team NZ is subsidies for the play of international multimillionaires.

More National socialism on the lines of subsidies for film industry magnates.
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February 19, 2015 8:26am
EAD

@ duggledog,

have you ever been to Mt Roskill?

I walked through parts of it and it looks like downtown Mogadishu or Karachi. Women wearing sacks on their heads, goats on the lawn, minarets wailing – what the hell is going on in this country.

Even worse, these people have no intention to integrate in our society, they either want to live isolated in their community, or – when their number increases – they expect the locals to change their habits, traditions and culture to adapt to their culture (think halal meat or the banning of pork on school menus).

Just like Europe, old neighborhoods that used to be very safe are nowadays becoming no-go areas for Kiwis.

It is beyond comprehension… We were never asked if we want to change our long-rooted culture but we are only “bombarded” with opinions that this experiment is a good thing. Unless you live in one of the elite Auckland suburbs, get out now while you still can!
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February 19, 2015 8:27am
Jack5

EAD at 8.27….

The migration change that has ethnically re-engineered NZ is vastly different from 1840. This time, no debate, no discussion, no vote, no treaty.

We’ve been sold out by our politicians.
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February 19, 2015 8:31am
peterwn

There is a bill before a Select Committee which will enable the Police to recover the cost of police vetting, but charities and other groups are kicking up a stink that it would be a significant financial drain on them. It was indicated that I should be police vetted with respect to an organisation I do things for but I pointed out that my work and those of some others did not warrant police vetting. The response was effectively that it was being done at no cost so why not?

So I think a charge is warranted to put some brake on the number of requests. It should be no more than needed, and there needs to be an incentive at the Police end to ensure the service is provided efficiently. The problem with a ‘user pays’ monopoly service is there is a lack of incentive to provide it efficiently.
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February 19, 2015 8:33am
Inandout

stephieboy: I was told by a builder in the Waikato that he used to repair HNZ properties and visited many Somalian families. One thing he did notice was the complete absence of males, so whether they were at work, in the mosque, or out selling old cars, he couldn’t answer. Cleanliness has been described as next to Godliness, but this builder found the opposite.
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February 19, 2015 8:33am
G152

The angry little man doesn’t pay his employees until he’s shamed into doing so.
Then he turns round and puts the Greens in their place.
Thats 1 – and 1 +
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February 19, 2015 8:34am
mandk

@ Jack5

Would you rather Peter Jackson, Richard Taylor and James Cameron were in California, employing many thousands of people on good salaries?

Given that the film industry is extremely footloose, the tax concessions (not subsidies) to major film makers are a very good deal economically.
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February 19, 2015 8:34am
Harriet

mandk#

“…Given that the film industry is extremely footloose,…”

So too is software development, most industries are. Dairy isn’t.

It’s to do with tourism that they get tax breaks. They advertise NZ. More bang for the buck spent than Tourism NZ could ever do.
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February 19, 2015 8:44am
Jack5

Re mandk at 8.34.

You are right that the film industry is extremely footloose. It follows the state handouts around the world, and suckers compete to offer the highest.

Tax concessions are subsidies. Here’s a definition from the respected business web site Investopedia:

DEFINITION of ‘Subsidy’

A benefit given by the government to groups or individuals usually in the form of a cash payment or tax reduction. The subsidy is usually given to remove some type of burden and is often considered to be in the interest of the public.

The fallback position of supporters of film subsidies is that they boost tourism, and Jackson fans have come to NZ, no question. But the tax concessions are still subsidies.
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February 19, 2015 8:45am
mandk

@ Jack5

So, what’s your answer?

Do we make concessions in order to generate an economic benefit, or do we eschew what you describe as National socialism and wave goodbye to Jackson, Taylor and Cameron?
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February 19, 2015 8:54am
KiwiGreg

@jack5 so is the 67% of my pay that the government doesn’t currently tax some sort of “subsidy” too?
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February 19, 2015 8:57am
Jack5

mandk at 8.54:

So you are saying Jackson and Taylor stay in NZ only to suck on the taxpayer tit?

Cameron seems to like the investment opportunities and the land prices etc, and is diversifying into the export industry of wine making, and good on him.

Kiwigreg (8.57) – if your tax rate is the same as other people’s, you’re not being subsidised.
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February 19, 2015 9:03am
Manolo

These pair of crooks have a (high) price: http://www.wsj.com/articles/foreign-government-gifts-to-clinton-foundation-on-the-rise-1424223031

The Clinton Foundation has dropped its self-imposed ban on collecting funds from foreign governments and is winning contributions at an accelerating rate, raising ethical questions as Hillary Clinton ramps up her expected bid for the presidency.

Recent donors include the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Australia, Germany and a Canadian government agency promoting the Keystone XL pipeline.
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February 19, 2015 9:06am
lolitasbrother

I don’t give a rats arse whether the film industry gets a subsidy or a tax break, I don’t want to send money to Jackson whose films are just ongoing bad taste cyber crap. Yes lets wave goodbye to Jackson et al if we have to pay for some European or Texan to find out where New Zealand is. we are throwing money at coloured walls, and we are borrowing to do it.
I rang Colin [ Craig] said where the fuck are you missing in action. He said “I am keeping the powder dry, talk to you soon’, the worm is turning, and Farrar is finding that out..
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February 19, 2015 9:13am
Jack5

Another bone to chew until Ugly finishes his conspiracy studies of the morning (he may well first also check his home twice, too, for electronic bugs):

The controversy on spelling “Whanganui” v. “Wanganui” continues to boil on, with Maori now going to the New Zealand Geographic Board, which has now given itself a parallel Maori name: Ngā Pou Taunaha o Aotearoa.

Members of the names board are nominated or recommended by the following:

Federated Mountain Clubs
NZ Geographical Society
Te Rūnanga o Ngāi Tahu
Minister of Māori Affairs
Minister for Land Information
Local Government New Zealand

Our place names being decided in part by appointees of mountain clubs and Ngai Tahu, the South Island tribe with the golden treaty settlement and charity tax advantages?

You can read about the composition of the place names board at:

http://www.linz.govt.nz/regulatory/place-names/about-new-zealand-geographic-board/nzgb-members
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February 19, 2015 9:17am
Longknives

Poor little Dean Barker- Seems the days of the NZ Taxpayer paying this pampered little rich boy millions to lose (and he is a perennial loser) yacht races are finally over!
Mandy must be devastated- No more Taxpayer-funded shopping sprees in San Fran..
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February 19, 2015 9:19am
lolitasbrother

About Immigration: I am in Christchurch.
When I married my wife she was the only not white, middle class person on this quiet street.
She said it was so quiet that her husband owned the street, haha . Not quite.
Here comes Islam. A middle Eastern guy, from up the road, pulls a car beside my driveway to sell it. They like to sell their cars outside nice homes. But he was over the driveway. he was smoking cigarettes. nervous, and moving fast. A couple of his fellow traders delivered him some tyres, and wheels.

I got the little beaten up Rav out and pointed it at his car. I said you ‘ get that car sales offa my street’
This fellow looks at me , and the home here, and says ‘ do you feel safe” I said “yes look at my neighbour”
My neighbour had come across to look. He is Tongan maybe 16 stone.
The car sales went away. The Tongan neighbour said ” its good”
I said ‘no its not that stuff will just take over another street’.
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February 19, 2015 9:26am
Ross12

I think this spat between the Greens and Labour will develop further. The interesting thing to watch will be which side those tame MSM journalists take. It could be an interesting side show.
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February 19, 2015 9:39am
mandk

“So you are saying Jackson and Taylor stay in NZ only to suck on the taxpayer tit?”

Not at all. They like being in Wellington, but they are dependent to a large extent on the film financiers and distributors who don’t give a shit where movies are made as long as they get the best deal.

The Hobbit trilogy, which probably generated about $1 bn in production expenditure in NZ and which will draw in hundreds of millions of international tourist dollars for years to come, come easily have been made in Scotland or Ireland instead.

Wouldn’t that have been a triumph for National socialism?
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February 19, 2015 9:40am
IGM

See Slobcom’s dial-a-bride has traded him for a later, faster, and more mobile model!
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February 19, 2015 9:55am
Gulag1917

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJh1tUsYhNg#t=15
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February 19, 2015 10:04am
lolitasbrother

the Green and Labour Alliance is dissolved.
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February 19, 2015 10:22am
Jack5

mandk’s 9.40 post included:

The Hobbit trilogy … will draw in hundreds of millions of international tourist dollars for years to come

That would be helpful for the NZ economy, mandk.

It’s fine for people to punt their own money on such rosy forecasting, but governments shouldn’t risk taxpayer money on such forecast hype.
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February 19, 2015 10:28am
cricko

Roman Senator Cato the Elder (234-149 BC)
used to end every speech he made in the Senate with, “Carthage must be destroyed.” in an attempt
to warn of the danger.

A similar statement of common sense which could be adopted here untill the penny drops would be.

“Muslim immigration to New Zealand must cease.”
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February 19, 2015 10:34am
MT_Tinman

Ross12 (1,533 comments) says:
February 19th, 2015 at 9:39 am

I think this spat between the Greens and Labour will develop further. The interesting thing to watch will be which side those tame MSM journalists take. It could be an interesting side show.

For Labour to survive they must get rid of the reds or at least shrink their vote share to that equal UF (where they belong).

I agree, should be great to watch.
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February 19, 2015 10:37am
Colville

There will be someone who knows this and will no doubt correct me but my understanding is that the subsidy for the Rings and Hobbit films amounted to giving back the GST on the spend?
So its really a zero sum as if the film didnt come here it wouldnt get spent here and the GST would be in the Govt hands in the first place?
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February 19, 2015 10:39am
dime

Personally, Id like to see no government money given to Team NZ.

If they bring economic benefit to the country then they get my thanks.

In saying that, it gets fucking old listening to dumb ass statements like “we pay dean barker millions”. team nz raise 120 million or so, the govt kicks in 30 millions of that. maybe the wages come from the other 90 million and we pay for the fucking sails or something.

the opinion is on par with “all blacks should be made to work on farms!!”

as for axing barker – good move. the two young guys team nz have are just weapons. the sort who can deal to spithill at the start etc.
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February 19, 2015 10:54am
mandk

“It’s fine for people to punt their own money on such rosy forecasting, but governments shouldn’t risk taxpayer money on such forecast hype.”

But the concessions granted for The Hobbit production were on the basis of experience of what LOTR had done for NZ in terms of job generation in film making and tourism. It wasn’t blind and it wasn’t hype.

You need to ask yourself if you would have been prepared to risk The Hobbit trilogy being made elsewhere. Because that is what would most probably have happened.
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February 19, 2015 11:00am
ciaron

On the latest ISIS thread, DPF finishes with this pearler:
Just as most Christians say the Old Testament is no longer valid.
Yeah, nah. I no Christian I know holds this view.
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February 19, 2015 11:13am
waikatogirl

Jack5: Taxpayer support for Team NZ is subsidies for the play of international multimillionaires.

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I’m beginning to think that the so-called “trickle down” for the whole of NZ from the taxpayer supporting the America’s Cup is about as reliable as the trickle down for the average Maori from the Tweaty settlements.

Might be great for the businesses around the viaduct, a few boatbuilders; and always fun for the Minister, etc getting a ride on the yachts and enjoying the hospitality 😉
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February 19, 2015 11:16am
waikatogirl

Jack5: A benefit given by the government to groups or individuals usually in the form of a cash payment or tax reduction. The subsidy is usually given to remove some type of burden and is often considered to be in the interest of the public.

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Clearly The Lord of The Rings movies have encouraged huge tourism and awareness of NZ. I certainly don’t have a problem giving tax concessions when there is such a bonus as a result.

If there had not been a tax concession, the films may have been made elsewhere in the world and NZ would have missed out on any tax and the tourism benefits. Nor would there have been all those actors employed for many years.

It’s good business in this case.
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February 19, 2015 11:24am
mandk

@ ciaron
I was going to say the same thing, but it’s probably a topic best left for another occasion.
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February 19, 2015 11:43am
Jack5

Re waikatogirl at 11.24 on film subsidies:

You missed out in your quote from me that this was the definition of a subsidy. Tax concessions are subsidies.

It’s a matter of principle, rather than whether a particular subsidy works.

National is behaving life a socialist government, as the imminent handout to Team NZ will confirm. It’s not even a centre-right government, it’s a centre-left government.
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February 19, 2015 12:21pm
Akaroa

Re:Current terrorist threat – (El Quaeda and all that)

To quote the USAF’s fine former Chief Curtis Le May comment about the Russians: “Bomb them back to the Stone Age”

(Oh! Sorry! El Quaeda ARE in the Stone Age, eh?)
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February 19, 2015 12:31pm
dime

“it’s a centre-left government.”

unfortunately we are a centre left country
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February 19, 2015 12:41pm
Jack5

Re Akaroa at 12.31:

Curtis Le May’s quote was about the Vietnamese, and Wikipedia says it was reported this way in his autobiography (co-written with a writer):

LeMay is quoted as saying his response to North Vietnam would be to demand that “they’ve got to draw in their horns and stop their aggression, or we’re going to bomb them back into the Stone Age. And we would shove them back into the Stone Age with Air power or Naval power—not with ground forces.”

An interesting combat commander. Wikipedia has a good piece on him:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_LeMay
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February 19, 2015 12:48pm
Jack5

Re Colville, who asked in a 10.39 post whether his understanding was correct that the subsidy for the Rings and Hobbit films amounted to giving back the GST on the spend?

This will help, Colville. Vernon Small, on Fairfax’s Stuff web site, on 30 October, 2010:

The extra $20 million subsidy for The Hobbit will be paid as a tax break on a pool of profits to be shared by actors and other workers on the films, including director Sir Peter Jackson, it is understood.

The Government has kept under wraps details of the extra cash incentive to Warner Bros, which comes on top of the 15 per cent subsidy worth about $65m on the budget for the two movies of about $670m.
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February 19, 2015 12:57pm
stephieboy

lolitasbrother (835 comments) says:
February 19th, 2015 at 9:26 am,

Well I Iive in Auckland and don’t see that kind of behaviour and the city is a lot more ethically diverse then Christchurch could ever be .

But then could it be you live in the town of the Harris Gang , Kyliie Chapman and The RWR etc ?
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February 19, 2015 1:07pm
Jack5

Re stephieboy at 1.07.

Auckland has a smaller proportion of white people than most NZ cities and towns, but I don’t think it is as successfully diverse as stephieboy implies.

Auckland seems to be quite strongly ghetto-ised: Pacific Islanders and Maori in south Auckland, South Africans on the North Shore, Chinese in Howick (and many other parts of Auckland), Indians in Papatoe etc, etc. There appear to be areas of white flight in Auckland. Jewish graves are vandalised, and, like Christchurch, Auckland seems to have some Muslims with links and or sympathies with active Islam extremists.

Kyle (not Kyllie) Chapman, last heard of, was in Hamilton. He is, by the way, part-Maori. What is the RWR? I’ve lived in Christchurch for a long time, and have never heard of this acronym. The Harris gang seems to have faded away. They were tougher than the Mongrel Mob, but didn’t seem to descend to the latter’s depths. The Harris boys were tough kids whose parents had a small circus, and they were brought up handling lions and tigers.
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February 19, 2015 2:26pm
wikiriwhis business

David Bain compensation case announcement due

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/66396018/david-bain-compensation-case-announcement-due

Hmmm. I feel Lundy won’t get as much as Bain. Bain won’t get the amount he deserves.
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February 19, 2015 2:35pm
wikiriwhis business

Can’t let Lundy’s court case go unnoticed on this one eyed perverted blog.

KEY POINTS:

* Mark Lundy’s car had 423 kilometres on the odometer which police could not pin on any specific travel.

* There was a way to remove petrol from the car Mark Lundy drove without damaging an anti-siphon system. Courtesy Ford employee Gareth Townend said one way was to use the car’s fuel pump, but it was a complicated process. Earlier the court heard the type of car Lundy drove could be filled right to the brim with fuel.

* Sergeant Danny Johanson searched the motel room Mark Lundy stayed at in Petone at the time his family were murdered.

* Despite driving the route Mark Lundy allegedly did more than once, Johanson only recorded potential petrol use once.

* Police officer drove at up to 140kmh while trying to replicate round trip between Petone and Palmerston North Mark Lundy alleged to have made

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/66380100/Mark-Lundy-murder-retrial-Day-9

Police case looking shonkier by the minute.
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February 19, 2015 2:38pm
wikiriwhis business

“Auckland seems to be quite strongly ghetto-ised: ”

Pffffffff The developers are changing Mangere as I write.

Two million Chinese land buyers listed in NZ according to Google. Saw that on a sign on Ponsonby Rd today.

You people are seriously freakazoids
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February 19, 2015 2:41pm
kowtow

lolita’s brother

He actually said that? “Do you feel safe.”

Fuck I just love all the multicultural enrichment that Key and Co are bringing to our once lovely neighbourhoods. Make no mistake Key advocates “multiculturalism” ,from his high walled ,gated , millionaires’ mansion.

Eat cake fuckers.
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February 19, 2015 2:52pm
Michael

Bain won’t get the amount he deserves says wiki.
Well, yes he will, actually. He deserves knowt and he will get knowt.
Karam is going to be gnashing his teeth now that Binnie’s report is not going to be reinstated.
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February 19, 2015 2:57pm
stephieboy

Fresh Inquiry to Bain Compo claim !

Amy Adams has come to the right decision under the circumstances . This is the relevant point,

“Despite the further delay, conducting a fresh inquiry is the best approach in the circumstances and enables Mr Bain’s claim to be progressed on a proper and robust basis.”

Yeah after the shenanigans of the woeful and inept Binnie report and the laughable attempt by the Defence at a Judicial review .

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11404684
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February 19, 2015 3:02pm
Keeping Stock

Kudos to Amy Adams for binning the flawed Binnie Report on Bain. Joe Karam’s pay-day must seem further away today than it ever has.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/66396018/david-bains-compensation-case-gets-fresh-inquiry
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February 19, 2015 3:02pm
Nostradamus

Keeping Stock:

… Bain …

No!!!
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February 19, 2015 3:06pm
Michael

Re Lundy.
Police case getting shonkier by the minute says wiki.
Don’t know about that.
Lundy was talking bankruptcy , the business was only breaking even, he still owed $100000 on it, there was onlt $20000 equity in the house, he was paying $600 a day interest on that wine venture, he said he would be able to use his wife’s insurance payout to clear his debts. Sounds like motive to me.
Re petrol consumption. Normal consumption for Lundy’s Ford Fairmont was 8 litres per 100 km on the open road and 13 km per litre around town.
After he filled the tank he traveled 65km around town, say 10 litres, then one trip to Palmy, according to him,150km = 12 litres.
So that adds up to 22 litres, yet he used well over 60 litres. How come?
If he drove to Palmy and back in the early morning as the Crown are now saying, there would be no need for him to drive fast .
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February 19, 2015 3:12pm
Colville

Yeah I just came in to see the tsunami of Bainiac munters slapping each other with handbags…
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February 19, 2015 3:13pm
Nookin

That will prolong the debate by at least 2 years, then.
DPF –a dedicated thread please. Call it an isolation thread. Inhabitants may not be released.
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February 19, 2015 3:13pm
kowtow

slapping each other with handbags…

….. be grateful its handbags and not a .22
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February 19, 2015 3:16pm
Colville

Michael.
Isnt Lundys aliby that he was in Petone at a certian time to call a hooker? so the window was only about 3 hours?

When I was at tech in Petone the trusty Mk 3 Gotina could do it in 1 1/2 hours in the early hours and traffic was light.

No speed cameras then 🙂
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February 19, 2015 3:16pm
Colville

kowtow.

If they used .22’s at least it would quieten down as they get thinned out 🙂
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February 19, 2015 3:18pm
Inandout

What on earth does Slater mean by this statement?
‘With the departure of “play-away” Norman, and the increasing pressure for Metiria to go the same way…’
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February 19, 2015 3:31pm
Jack5

Hell! Years more of Bainiacs on Kiwiblog!

Bain to get fresh inquiry, no compensation before its findings

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11404684
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February 19, 2015 3:33pm
Michael

Colville
Lundy hired a sex worker from 11.45pm to 12.45am. So he could have left for Palmy at say 1a.m., taken his time and arrived back in Petone by, say, 5a.m.
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February 19, 2015 3:38pm
thedavincimode

Nookin

Call it an isolation ~~thread~~ ward. Inhabitants may ~~not~~ be ~~released~~ committed.

Aside of course from me and others inclined to pop in from time to time to see Rowan at al throwing food at the walls. I’ll be letting muggins do the heavy lifting on this given the sterling work he’s done in the past.

muggins: Stand to! 😆
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February 19, 2015 3:40pm
stigie

Well , at least he is off the streets in the Nelson CBD affecting business for now !!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/66333499/Stanton-sanctioned-for-foul-mouthed-outburst
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February 19, 2015 3:47pm
thedavincimode

Lundiacs

I can’t say I’m taking much interest in all this but I did see evidence reported regarding fuel consumption of Lundy’s Ford Crapmont and even 😯 the suggestion of it achieving 8 L/100 km!!! I would hazard to guess that the fuel consumption of the old Crapmont driven by Lundy at close to warp speed 4 as alleged by the coppers would be more likely in the region of about 50 L/100 km. I don’t know what the relevance of this is – is it because there is no evidence of him having gassed up anywhere???
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February 19, 2015 3:47pm
Inandout

Re Bain: I think the taxpayer should at least hear in a courtroom what he has got to say about the murders, but at the moment the cat has got his tongue. Not good value for money.
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February 19, 2015 4:06pm
wikiriwhis business

Dead Banker 61 “Froze To Death” ???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gsey6E6HhCk
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February 19, 2015 4:17pm
wikiriwhis business

At the Hamilton City Council Finance Committee meeting today Councillor Leo Tooman pointed out that we have too many golf clubs and bowling clubs and that most of them should be merged with other clubs and their history, identity and independence thrown away to form 1 or 2 bland and generic clubs. Also he hinted that members should pay higher membership fees so council can charge more for land rental. Guess because he thinks that access to these clubs should only be for the well off. Other money hungry councilors supported this. The crazy thing is that these same councilors are quick to support organizations they belong to and are just as quick to give support to their corporate buddies in the for of contracts to council for money wasting schemes.
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February 19, 2015 4:19pm
Rowan

Stupidboy
Won’t it be great when the fresh review of the case finds that Robin is the killer on BOP, Then crown law will have even more egg on their face. Also the amount of compensation payable will be significantly more than what would have been if they had done the decent thing and paid him out at the time. Then they would not got into this mess of the so called “peer review” and shopping around for a more favourable conclusion!!
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February 19, 2015 4:53pm
Rowan

DVM
Oh the funny guy! That place already exists and is just waiting for the likes of yourself and Michael etc to be committed, its called the Mason Clinic, do us all a favour and get yourself a doctors referral there!
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February 19, 2015 4:55pm
Rowan

“So he could have left”

Not interested in “could of” and “maybes” old woman, how about you put up some proof? (I won’t be holding my breath when you can’t though!)
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February 19, 2015 4:59pm
Michael

Rowan,
No need to get your knickers in a twist just because Amy Adams won’t have a bar of Binnie’s report.
A fresh review of the case will find, unlike Binnie, that David Bain was, without doubt, wearing his mother’s glasses on the night before the killings, and the reviewer, or reviewers, will be asking Mr Bain how the frame of those glasses came to be damaged less than 12 hours later, and how one lens from that frame came to be found in his brother’s room.
And that reviewer might also want to have a talk to David about those three bruises on his noggin. Could he really have got those bruises when that police officer pulled him into a recovery position after he fell backwards in his room?
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February 19, 2015 5:07pm
Rachael Membery

Oh well, so sad , never mind
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February 19, 2015 5:09pm
Fletch

A blog has pointed out that the Associated Press took a photo of Obama at the US-African Leaders Conference in Washington DC in August 2014. And what was he doing? Flashing the Islamic shahada sign with his hand. For those that don’t know, the shahada is a physical way of saying, “There is but one God and Muhammad is his messenger.”

And Obama is flashing it at this delegation.

The Associated Press took this astonishing photo as the African dignitaries joined Obama, who hosted the event, in a State Department auditorium for a group photograph. It was published in an article in Britain’s Daily Mail, and it was the only use ever of the photo.

The one-finger display is the distinctive Muslim gang sign: The index finger points straight up while the thumb wraps underneath and presses against the digital phalange of the middle finger. The remaining fingers are squeezed against the palm in order to highlight the extended forefinger. The extended finger is symbolic of the one-God concept of Muhammad and is understood by all believers to be a symbolic shahada, the Muslim affirmation of faith: There is but one God and Muhammad is his messenger.

Thus when believers stick their index finger in the air, they demonstrate they are partisans of Muhammad’s God concept. And they also affirm their belief in Muhammad’s claim he was the interface between God and man. They also demonstrate they are part of the umma, the exclusive transtribal supertribe of believers that Muhammad started 1,400 years ago.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/02/obama_and_the_muslim_gang_sign.html

If he isn’t, in fact, Muslim, then he is playing a very dangerous game. He MUST know what it means. And given that Islam is the only religion he will publicly defend, it is indeed worrying.
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February 19, 2015 5:14pm
Rowan

“will find”
Don’t make me laugh old girl
Just like the PC would “never” hear, let alone quash the conviction
The second jury “would” find him guilty
Binnies report likewise
Just like all your predictions on the case to date, WRONG!

Muggins, the law lords, the second jury and Justice Binnie are not stupid people (unlike yourself) and they know a hell of a lot more about the case than a stupid old goat like yourself!
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February 19, 2015 5:15pm
Rowan

I imagine any review might look closely at the actions of senior members of the investigation team such as Milton Weir, Peter Hentschel and Kim Jones and why they felt the need to mislead the jury over crucial elements of the crown case, maybe they didn’t feel that the actual evidence was particularly convincing and thought that the jury might “understand it better” if they lied and misrepresented the facts to them!
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February 19, 2015 5:19pm
Michael

davinci ,
Re Lundy’s car. The official consumption figures for that model are 8 litres per 100 km on a road trip and 13 litres per 100 litres round town. He filled up just prior to going to that motel The tank held 68 litres and when he arrived back in Palmy it was virtually empty.
The reason that police officer drove it at speed was because the original theory was that Lundy drove to Palmy and back in around 3 hours. However they are now saying that drive took place in the early hours of the next morning, which would have given him considerably more time to complete it and therefore the fuel consumption may have been nowhere near as high.
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February 19, 2015 5:20pm
Chuck Bird

“stupid old goat like yourself!”

@Rowan

Are you sure you want talk about goats?
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February 19, 2015 5:28pm
Michael

Rowan,
The reviewer or reviewers will certainly want to know why David Bain lied about those glasses at the first trial and why he lied about them again when he was interviewed by Justice Binnie. And no doubt there will be questions asked about all those other lies that Bain told Binnie. For example he will no doubt be asked why he lied about those track pants.
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February 19, 2015 5:30pm
Rowan

I think on the contrary to the rubbish put up by Michael, the reviewer might like to look at the actions of Milton Weir in regards to the glasses and why he misrepresented crucial evidence to the jury in 1995, also not allowing the optometrists revised evidence to be put before the jury was just plain dishonest. Terry Van Turnhout also decided that he would keep to himself for 14 years that he had handled the glasses that morning. You would have to ask yourself why he would do that!
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February 19, 2015 5:36pm
Rowan

I think Michael along with Marzuka and Stupidboy should present Marzukas comedy clip to the jury showing the way in which Robin was “murdered” The reviewer could do with some entertainment as for the most part I don’t imagine reviewing 2 trials and twenty years of evidence to be particulary interesting!
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February 19, 2015 5:39pm
Nostalgia-NZ

“The one thing everyone accepts is that this has taken too long. It needs to be resolved. But it needs to be resolved in a defendable robust, principled way.”

Ouch for JC.

But I have to say if Joe is happy, then this announcement must meet the confidential terms of the JR settlement much of which is generally blanked under the OIA in the letter released by Adams and certainly confirms that the earlier ‘resolution’ was not undertaken in a defendable, robust, principled way. There would be no apparent reason for the new evidence not to be considered and I doubt that wasn’t part of the negotiations.
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February 19, 2015 5:40pm
Michael

Amy Adams has said that Joe Karam won’t be happy with this new announcement.
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February 19, 2015 5:43pm
Michael

Rowan,
It is of no matter that Milton Weir pointed to what he thought was that lens in error, because it now turns out he did, in fact point to that lens, even though that is not where he found it, which was a few centimetres from where it is showing in photos.
What is important is that the lens from the glasses that David Bain was wearing to watch TV the night before was found in his brother’s room.
And van Turnhout’s relevation is of no importance either. He simply picked up the glasses to hand to David Bain at his request and then put them back down again. He did not bend the frame.
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February 19, 2015 5:49pm
thedavincimode

Rowan

I realise this is a difficult time for you and that you must now know that you need to gird your loins and compose yourself for the inevitable, so I’ll just leave it there.

I could try and raise your spirits – remind you perhaps, that the darkest hour is before the storm and all that. However, I fear that may not yet be the case and that your darkest hour is yet to come. But I’m sure muggins will be along to play shortly.
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February 19, 2015 5:59pm
Nostalgia-NZ

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/66396018/david-bains-compensation-case-gets-fresh-inquiry

Maybe the Minister is telling porkies where she says in the above that she understands that Karam is comfortable with the decision. Despite of course his comments that the Government have not stuck with Simon Power’s undertaking. Pragmatism, the way of the world, just like the ‘new’ photos and other matters that will add significantly to the probability of innocence somewhere around 98%.
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February 19, 2015 5:59pm
thedavincimode

Michael, those “official” consumption figures wouldn’t have been published by Ford would they? I imagine that the Crapmount coasting downhill in Tangata Whenua overdrive might achieve 8 L/100 km, but otherwise no chance!!
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February 19, 2015 6:01pm
Rowan

Right, it doesn’t “matter” that Weir lied to the jury and that the lens was never where he said it was at any stage!

Am still waiting for the cartoon on how a one eyed David shot 4 people at point blank range despite not being short sighted!i
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February 19, 2015 6:02pm
Pete George

A ‘prominent New Zealander’ has lost name suppression in what is being reported as a sexual assault case, but the suppression may be subject to appeal so remains in place for another month.

A prominent New Zealander charged with indecent assault lost his bid for name suppression today.

But the man’s identity will remain protected for another month to allow him the chance to lodge an appeal.

The man denies the charges against him.

Heavy suppression orders cover the case, meaning the man cannot be identified, nor can his alleged victims or their ages.

The charges faced by the man, who elected trial by jury, can now be revealed.

He is facing 12 charges of indecent assault against two people including two representative charges.

The charges, which include allegations of touching the complainants on the breast, buttocks, groin and thigh, are punishable by up to 10 years’ imprisonment.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11404727

That’s potentially serious charges with multiple alleged victims in what looks like more than a one off incident (representative charges).

So we can presume who this might refer to but cannot type it yet.
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February 19, 2015 6:08pm
Michael

Yes,
I agree, the new photos show that Robin Bain almost certainly did not commit suicide.
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February 19, 2015 6:26pm
Michael

Rowan,
David Bain was wearing those glasses until he tried to kill his brother. He needed them to see to get round the house.
So we don’t know for sure how many of his family he shot when he was wearing those glasses and how many he shot we he wasn’t wearing them.
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February 19, 2015 6:29pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Best part of Weir’s evidence was when he told the Court that he had been ‘hounded out’ of the police and that some detectives referred to him as the ‘planter’ or some such similar thing. I guess if you plant something there should be a point to it, otherwise you end up needing to ‘hide’ evidence such as that of the optometrist.
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February 19, 2015 6:34pm
mandk

@ Pete George,
I find it difficult to understand why there isn’t automatic name suppression unless and until there is a conviction.
And, if there is a conviction, it’s difficult to see why there should be name suppression, allowing a period for a possible appeal.
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February 19, 2015 6:44pm
nasska

Anyone prepared to be seen in public clothed like this needs to be hauled off to the nearest vet to be put down.

What the hell did dress standards do to be treated like this: 🙂

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2fsvbs6zt9vrhpf/Crap%204.jpg?dl=0
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