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Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

Major Alarm bell today
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11403961

Birth rate for NZ women has fallen below 2.1 children.
Herald (as usual) miss the real point – a 2.1 birth rate not only maintains population levels, but is needed to maintain a culture. France, UK & rest or Europe are being bred out by muslims. This will happen here. France will be an islamic state in teh next 15 years. Here, the left will decry the falling birth rate and call for more immigration – multiculturalism means more muslims in NZ. Hello Sharia law !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wqHdR1tDD4
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February 18, 2015 1:12pm
ciaron

There you go Ugly, shifting the goalposts…
let’s recap:

the quoted line was
This practice, which has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses…

Key phrase here is since the days of Moses i.e., the law given to Moses contains proscriptions on who one can marry. I’m on my lunch break, so I can’t give you a definitive list.

To which, you replied:
Actually not. Who do you think the wives of the sons of Noah’s son’s were?

Which to any fair and impartial reader appears like you are saying Noah came after Moses. Why don’t you just admit you got that one wrong.
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February 18, 2015 1:17pm
Jack5

Chat at 1.05 cited an American-NZ study that claimed there were no apparent genetic consequences from cousins marrying.

Here’s another study that shows there are dangers from first cousins marrying, and that the effects are apparent among the inbred ethnic-Pakistani population of Britain. Here’s the guts of the study, made in Bradford:

From a sample of nearly 11,000 births between 2007 and 2011, more than 2,000 babies were born to first cousin parents – predominately from the city’s large Pakistani population. The children of such unions, which represented more than a third of all the Pakistani-origin babies in the study, had a six per cent chance of having a congenital abnormality, compared to an average 3 per cent chance.

The link:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/marriage-between-first-cousins-doubles-risk-of-having-baby-with-lifethreatening-birth-defects-8686232.html
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February 18, 2015 1:19pm
UglyTruth

There you go Ugly, shifting the goalposts…

No, you seem to be making the usual statist assumptions about law.

let’s recap:

the quoted line was
This practice, which has been prohibited in the Judeo-Christian tradition since the days of Moses…

OK. The point I’m relying on that isn’t explicitly stated is that this tradition is based of the the laws of the deity of Moses.

Key phrase here is since the days of Moses i.e., the law given to Moses contains proscriptions on who one can marry. I’m on my lunch break, so I can’t give you a definitive list.

Very droll.

To which, you replied:
Actually not. Who do you think the wives of the sons of Noah’s son’s were?

Yes. The same deity was involved here, it’s not as if it was only about Noah and Moses.

Which to any fair and impartial reader appears like you are saying Noah came after Moses. Just admit you got that one wrong.

To read it that way you would have to hold to the view that deity had nothing to do with the law.
Which I guess is understandable, since that position is essential to the statism that infests this blog.
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February 18, 2015 1:30pm
cha

Major Alarm bell today

With around half of the worlds Muslims living in the east Asia Pacific region best you brush up on your campanology.
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http://www.pewforum.org/2009/10/07/mapping-the-global-muslim-population/
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February 18, 2015 1:45pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

cha (4,345 comments) says:
February 18th, 2015 at 1:45 pm

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Thanks – I do know my bells.
PEW report is backwards looking. Watch the link, then that mught ring a bell for you.
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February 18, 2015 1:49pm
ciaron

I like learning things the hard way it seems;

Must…..
Not…..
Feed…..
Troll.
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February 18, 2015 1:51pm
Griff

Must…..
Not…..
Feed…..
~~Troll.~~ raving loony .
It may even be infectious.
Just imagine if the wind changed when you were reading something Mr Raving Loon wrote and that sort of thinking stuck?
You would have to buy your tinfoil in bulk and could look forward to a short stay in jail after arguing with a judge about the legality of the car licensing law .
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February 18, 2015 2:04pm
Fletch

Have a good Ash Wednesday people.
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February 18, 2015 2:08pm
UglyTruth

I like learning things the hard way it seems;

You and the rest of humanity.
When the state lies about the basics it has all got to come unstuck sometime.
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February 18, 2015 2:08pm
UglyTruth

Just imagine if the wind changed when you were reading something Mr Raving Loon wrote and that sort of thinking stuck?

You so funny. Just like an atheist to be in denial about the corruption of a secular state in a union with an overtly religious church.
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February 18, 2015 2:11pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth,

The hotspots can easily be explained as a direct consequence of the kinetic energy released by the two flights and the consequent intense heat generated by the burning fuel . And more so from the greater intense heat generated by inside the damaged Towers burning office fixtures and building ng materials .

The impact of flight 175 from six camera angles ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4vvVyKyy0k

The increased radioactivity claims can also be easily explained as coming from a variety of office fixtures like Computer and TV Monitors /cathode tubes including building materials and other office fixture

Finding e.g. Thorium and Uranium at just above normal levels at ground zero is not all unusual .Hundreds of either aircraft or building structural components use them e.g Thorium is used in air engine alloy compnents . The same with Chromioum . Also Barium is used in fluorescent lamps, vacuum tubes, TV picture tubes, pigments, paints, glassmaking,

Of course we have other direct evidence that Flights 11 and 175 crashed into the towers apart from eye witness and media accounts and video recordings ,

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/File:Flight_175_Fuselage.jpg

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/File:Flight_175_engine.jpg

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/File:Flight_11_Wheel_2.jpg

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/File:Flight_11_Window.jpg

With much . much more

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Flight_175_Engine

On top of that Radar Track and ATC communications .

Can you provide the signature boom / sound from these alleged mini nukes or were they also silent ?

Not to speak of nukes with no radiation, no emp, ( Electro magnetic pulse ) no seismic signature, no blinding flash.Of course buried conveniently deeply beneath the Towers foundations to be undetectable .

Whistle blowers and any victims medically diagnosed with radiation burns ?

Nothing !
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February 18, 2015 2:19pm
Griff

Repeat after me fugly.
The Queen of New Zealand Hence forth referred to As Queen Liz II NZ is a separate legal entity to the Queen of England .
Our monarch Queen Liz II NZ is not the leader of the Anglican church in New Zealand Shawn lee Hurls is .
New Zealand is a secular state that is also a constitutional monarchy. Queen Liz II NZ has no power to interfere in our legal processes or in the affairs of the New Zealand Anglican church.
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February 18, 2015 2:31pm
UglyTruth

The hotspots can easily be explained as a direct consequence of the kinetic energy released by the two flights …

No, that can’t be explained easily because there is no mechanism for it get to the hotspots as thermal energy.

and the consequent intense heat generated by the burning fuel .

No, that can’t be explained at all because that heat dispersed over time until all that remained was sub 100C office fires, and the hotspots were more than 700C.

Nuclear demolition is the simplest explanation for the excess energy at the world trade center on 9/11.

Can you provide the signature boom / sound from these alleged mini nukes or were they also silent ?

People in the area of the World Trade Center heard three explosions prior to each collapse.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/911_wtc_implosion.html

Not to speak of nukes with no radiation,

Researchers found firefighters who worked at ground zero were 19% more likely to develop cancer than firefighters who did not. According to the 2011 study, published in The Lancet medical journal, the increase occurred during the first seven years after 9/11. There were subtle increases seen in a few cancers in particular, including gastro-esophageal cancers and blood cancers such as multiple myeloma and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/11/health/911-cancer-treatment/

no emp, ( Electro magnetic pulse )

“Electrical outage over a wide area with repairs taking over three months, suggesting EM pulses.”
http://wtcdemolition.blogspot.co.nz/2008/05/summary-of-evidence-of-emps.html

no seismic signature,

We demonstrate that only strong explosives could be the cause of such seismic waves, in accordance with the observed low frequencies. According to the nature of the recorded waves (body and surface waves), we can propose a location of each explosive source. According to the presence of shear waves or the presence of Rayleigh waves only, we hypothesize a subterranean … explosion.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/seismic-evidence-implies-controlled-demolition-on-911

victims medically diagnosed with radiation burns ?

“I interviewed a Red Cross worker in Dallas whose name escapes me at the moment but I have her report in my files. She told me she was sent to NYC by the Red Cross to help survivors of the WTC. She said the thing that most stuck out in her mind after interviewing dozens of people was the number that told her of looking back and seeing people engulfed in some sort of fireball and disintegrating.”
https://edwardmd.wordpress.com/2013/05/21/update-witnesses-saw-people-vaporized-on-9-11/
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February 18, 2015 3:07pm
UglyTruth

The Queen of New Zealand Hence forth referred to As Queen Liz II NZ is a separate legal entity to the Queen of England .

There is no difference because NZ legislation does not override a coronation oath.
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February 18, 2015 3:08pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth also recently posted some bogus information about alleged” crises actors “ at the Boston Bombing. Conspiracy Theorists like him will often conclude that because , in this instance ,Jim Bauman happens to look like ex Afghan War Veteran Nick Vlgt therefore it must off been staged .

Jeff Baumann’s father was easily able to identify his son and along with the Boston Medical Centre confirming the injuries and his treatment him.

As noted by Meta Bunk the two are actually so dissimilar that Cters like UT must suffer a form of facial blindness

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-boston-marathon-victims-crisis-actors.1396/

Also note Cters question why no blood on Jeff’s stumps.Actually there is but tourniquets were used to try and stop the flow of blood loss.

http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2013/04/17/the-4-dumbest-conspiracy-claims-about-boston/

What a vile and nasty bunch conspiracy Theorists can be . They proved this also at Sandy Nook ,

http://chrishernandezauthor.com/2014/03/02/refuting-a-sandy-hook-truther/
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February 18, 2015 3:09pm
david

Padriv Ustoev (126 comments) says:
February 18th, 2015 at 10:56 am

“Apparently the reward for female suicide bombers is death by stoning.”

Nice one Padriv

By definition a suicide bomber (of any sex) is successfully dead by being turned into pink mist. No stones required. I think the Imam is retarded (probably his father married several first cousins)
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February 18, 2015 3:10pm
UglyTruth

Ugly Truth also recently posted some bogus information about alleged” crises actors “ at the Boston Bombing. Conspiracy

Hey fuckwit, don’t try to change the subject.

You said that the excess energy was explainable from the aircraft, and it clearly isn’t.
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February 18, 2015 3:27pm
RRM

I see ontheleftnz.com has a thread “Lazy youth or lazy bosses?” that has managed to average more than 1 comment per day since it’s been posted.

The left’s new on-line force continues from strength to strength 😛
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February 18, 2015 3:27pm
Manolo

The US should keep them far away from its territory: http://abcnews.go.com/International/officials-fear-syrian-refugees-pose-threat-us/story?id=28930114

Top U.S. counterterrorism officials say they worry a potential terrorist could be hiding among refugees who are looking to come to the United States after escaping the brutal war in Syria.

“It’s clearly a population of concern,” the director of the National Counterterrorism Center, Nicholas Rasmussen, told the House Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday.
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February 18, 2015 3:28pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth,

Explosions ??? Caused by Controlled demolition charges , Particle beam weapon , remote controlled planes , Drones or mini nukes ?or more than highly likely the after math of Flight 11 and 175 impacts .

Widespread outage “ suggesting “ but not “actually” ?

“Hypothesised “ a subterranean explosion ???

A Red cross worker and some sought of fire ball etc. Backed up and confirmed by other AID ,rescue and Red cross workers .

Again confirmation of Hospital and Medically diagnosed Radiation Burns , Radiation sickness etc.

I sated the o called excess energy was a combination of 11 and 175 impacts and plus the consequence fires and destruction of the Towers

Added the Boston bombing to show just how actually deluded you are !
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February 18, 2015 3:29pm
UglyTruth

Added the Boston bombing to show just how actually deluded you are !

Fuck you, stevieboy. Everyone can see that you are full of shit.
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February 18, 2015 3:37pm
RRM

Nuclear demolition is the simplest explanation for the excess energy at the world trade center on 9/11.

😆

I just googled “nuclear demolition”… ALL the search results were 9-11 truther conspirowhacky sites.
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February 18, 2015 3:38pm
UglyTruth

ALL the search results were 9-11 truther conspirowhacky sites.

The MSM are hardly going to tell you the truth about it when they have been peddling the lie for well over a decade now, are they?
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February 18, 2015 3:44pm
IGM

Would not like to be in the shoes of Mr Clifton from Wanganui when he gets released into the main prison compound. He will be as popular as Union Andy at a company board meeting, and can expect some real tough treatment for helping paedophile and mongrel Smith obtain travel documents and passport. Hope he doesn’t get seg treatment, he cost taxpayers a lot of money, let him pay it back the hard way.
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February 18, 2015 4:04pm
Inandout

RRM: They call the whacko sites Mad Stream Media.
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February 18, 2015 4:05pm
Manolo

Madness. Opening the door to potential terrorists: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/us-expects-quadruple-number-syrian-refugees-brought-here

The United States has “a long tradition of welcoming refugees,” and it expects to welcome thousands more of them from Syria in 2015 and 2016, despite concerns about foreign fighters, the State Department said.

“The United States has admitted 524 Syrians since 2011. We’re likely to admit 1,000 to 2,000 Syrian refugees for permanent resettlement in Fiscal Year 2015 and a somewhat higher number, though still in the low thousands, in Fiscal Year 2016,” spokeswoman Jen Psaki told reporters on Friday.
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February 18, 2015 4:09pm
UglyTruth

They call the whacko sites Mad Stream Media.

Madness is being beholden to a financial system which is slowly bleeding you dry through usury.
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February 18, 2015 4:23pm
Manolo

Projection of world Muslim population in 2030: http://i2.wp.com/www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Oxh1zeb1.png

Followers of the religion of peace everywhere!
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February 18, 2015 4:50pm
Sponge

@UglyTruth “The MSM are hardly going to tell you the truth about it when they have been peddling the lie for well over a decade now, are they?”

Hahaha! So it is left to people like you to explain the “truth”? You discredit your own credibility so badly by swallowing any looney theory that you find hook, line and sinker and never accepting that any other theory is even *possible*. It must be a very scary world that you occupy, waiting, tinfoil hat on, under the couch, for the “man” to come and silence you because you are exposing the “truth”.

By the way – nuclear explosions causing cancer? If there was NOT an increase in cancer after buildings like that coming down I would start to suspect a conspiracy. Have you any idea of the sort of things used in buildings of that era?
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February 18, 2015 5:08pm
Michael

So far today Ugly Truth has made 25 comments resulting in 205 down ticks and 5 upticks.
He/she is obviously a tiger for punishment. Had I bothered to vote he/she would have ended up with 230 down ticks.
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February 18, 2015 5:14pm
stigie

If I had bothered to vote, Ugly would have ended up with 255 downticks, Good grief !~
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February 18, 2015 5:28pm
Elaycee

@Michael / @stigie: I could have raised the total to 280.

Yikes! 😯
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February 18, 2015 5:29pm
Grant

And the thing is folks…. Neither UT or his fellow travellers, (and yes, you know who you are), will come out and actually tell us what exactly happened, and who really did it.

They will, however, tell you that, ” what they believe isnt important” and then proceed to get all crabby if you dont ask questions that they feel are relevant.

So much entertainment from so few. Sort of like a modern version of Bedlam.
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February 18, 2015 6:07pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/877onuc3fekjqt7/Muslim%2043.jpg?dl=0
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February 18, 2015 6:41pm
fylde

Wow so much crap on this blog today. All that carping on about the Muslim population growth is largely bogus. No way will France have a Muslim majority in 15 years. Birth rates steadily converge for most immigrant groups. Just look at the birth rates in places like Iran (low). I think you will find many of the highest birth rates are in Christian countries in Africa.

Let’s condemn and have a go at the terrorists but spouting this rubbish gives them credence.
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February 18, 2015 6:50pm
nasska

It’s not quite that cut & dried fylde.

….”‘By having more babies and forcing a population explosion, Muslims can take over the UK,’ says Jihadist preacher, Anjem Choudary, as he also warns that ‘ the next 9/11 will be in the UK.’

Anjem Choudary, right-hand man of exiled preacher Omar Bakri Mohammed, said: “It may be by pure conversion that Britain will become an Islamic state. We may never need to conquer it from the outside.” Many Muslims are having 10 or 12 children per family. The swollen Muslim population would be enough to conquer Britain from inside, they claim. He added: “We do not integrate into Christianity. We will ensure that one day you will integrate into the Sharia Islamic law.””…..

http://www.barenakedislam.com/2008/10/22/we-will-conquer-you-through-the-wombs-of-our-women/

If you don’t like the site then fine…..there are plenty of others where comment on the quote can be found. Point is that the radical Islamists intend to outbreed their hosts & dominate through the resultant population increase.
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February 18, 2015 7:02pm
Manolo

For once Biden the clown is telling the truth:
Then, a few hours later, Biden was discussing Minneapolis’ large Somali community and noted his hometown of Wilmington, Delaware, also has a large Somali presence. Biden said he has great relations with them “because an awful lot of them are driving cabs.”
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February 18, 2015 7:18pm
stigie

Griff was yelling out for Dad last night…did he ever get to track him down ?
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February 18, 2015 7:19pm
Dennis Horne

Muslims in Europe: most don’t work, live on others’ money and breed like rabbits. It’s unbelievable. It’s madness.
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February 18, 2015 7:20pm
Manolo

Unfortunately, the followers of vile Islam reproduce like horny rabbits.
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February 18, 2015 7:20pm
nasska

Dad’s probably over at True Blue trying to drive up the visit data to help out his old mate & benefactor stigie. 🙂
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February 18, 2015 7:28pm
stigie

10 Catholic Priests were killed in a road accident. At the Pearly Gates St Peter says ” If any of you are Paedophiles you can Fuck off down to Hell’ ‘ 9 of them start to walk away when St Peter calls out ”And take this deaf bastard with you”
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February 18, 2015 8:09pm
stigie

Son said to Dad ”I’m Gay” Dad looks at his other son and said ”What about you” Other son said ”Me too Dad” Dad said Fuck me doesn’t anyone in this Fuck’n family like Pussy. Daughter said ”I do”
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February 18, 2015 8:11pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jvwhbadnfagzu4k/Religionutters%2022.jpg?dl=0
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February 18, 2015 8:16pm
UglyTruth

One of the Omega Air geoengineering planes crashed at Point Mugu in May 2011.

https://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/omega-air-aircraft-seen-in-auckland-at-ohakea-air-force-base/
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February 18, 2015 8:26pm
UglyTruth

And the thing is folks…. Neither UT or his fellow travellers, (and yes, you know who you are), will come out and actually tell us what exactly happened, and who really did it.

Nobody knows exactly what happened except for the conspirators themselves.
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February 18, 2015 8:37pm
UglyTruth

Hahaha! So it is left to people like you to explain the “truth”?

As best we can, yes.

You discredit your own credibility so badly by swallowing any looney theory that you find hook, line and sinker and never accepting that any other theory is even *possible*.

So how would you explain where the energy game from, Sponge? Credibility is irrelevant here, the facts speak for themselves.
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February 18, 2015 8:41pm
cricko

Reading the ‘contributions’ of stephieboi and ugly truth as they continuously argue the toss about
nonsensical bullshit is starting to become boring.
Especially as it seems to occur every fricken day.

By the way WTF is credence ?

Take a hint Ugly Truth and pull your head in, just for a day or two.
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February 18, 2015 8:46pm
UglyTruth

Take a hint ugly truth and pull your head in, just for a day or two.

Looks like I’m locked out of the geoengineering thread…

https://chemtrailsnorthnz.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/omega-air-aircraft-seen-in-auckland-at-ohakea-air-force-base/
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February 18, 2015 8:51pm
UglyTruth

By the way WTF is credence ?

Belief.
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February 18, 2015 9:00pm
cricko

Hey Ugly,
Just pull your head in.

Best advice you’ve had for a while ugly, ask your Dad.

Bet he told you that over and over.
And I bet he told you why as well.

‘Nobody likes a smartarse.”

Remember your Dad telling you that Ugly ?
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February 18, 2015 9:21pm
UglyTruth

Nobody likes a smartarse.

I believe you may have confused me with someone who gives a fuck.
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February 19, 2015 6:58am
IGM

Dennis: I take it you have not observed Muslim behaviour in NZ. They don’t work, drive around in shitters, which they invariably sell off the side of the road, flicked speedos and suspect repairs. We rented some a property, had to get them out; gave a couple work, they stole other employees’ tools . . . we don’t effen need them, nor do we deserve them.
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