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Manolo

Another day, another bloody terrorist attack perpetrated by the followers of the religion of peace, the violent Islam.
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January 8, 2015 8:03am
Left Right and Centre

Wow – I haven’t been beheaded by free speech yet today . . .

Anything else going on ? Ah yeah – what about this one –

A remedy made out of sea cucumbers from the Pacific Islands, recommended by Grant Fox, whose dog was cured of Follicular Lymphoma (is one I’m using),” the 52-year-old said today.

Pla’sea’bo effect ?
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January 8, 2015 8:04am
EAD

“Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” – Winston Churchill

A pertinent quote from a great man.
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January 8, 2015 8:06am
oldpark

Will be interesting to see if the Doom-Post editorial written today ,putting the boot into any nation or individuals who dare to stand up to the subtle, as well as all out attacks on non muslims by ISIS and their supporters.They even managed to include John Key for his stance against potential terrorist attacks.Well after the murderous slaughter of so many of their so called journalist colleagues in Paris,will the arse hole who wrote the editorial,finally wake up and smell the coffee ,ISLAM has declared war on the West,which has been going on for many years,wonder what part of the war Doom Post journalists don’t understand.
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January 8, 2015 8:11am
flipper

The Herald (surprisingly) and Jamie White have an excellent piece this morning. It will piss off the NZEI idiots.

Kindergartens, like most enterprises, need capital and labour. The capital pays for the buildings, equipment and so on.
On these pages late last year, Linda Mitchell, an education lecturer at Waikato University, lamented the role of profit-making companies, such as Evolve Education, in providing preschool education.

She claimed the quest for profits damages the service provided. Or, as she put it, an interest “in making profits for owners or shareholders positions Evolve Education Group at odds with more community spirited aims to invest fully in the service itself”.

That profits injure consumers is a familiar idea. But this should not blind readers to its absurdity.

Kindergartens, like most enterprises, need capital and labour. The capital pays for the buildings, equipment and so on, and provides cover for “rainy days” when costs exceed revenue. The labour at a kindergarten is mainly teaching but people also work on administration, cleaning and maintenance.

Ms Mitchell is right that if the people who contributed capital were not paid for it then more could be spent on educating the children.

Yet the same is true of those who provide labour. Imagine a kindergarten with four teachers. If they all took a 20 per cent pay cut, they could hire a fifth teacher on the same pay and give more attention to each child. If they worked for nothing, they could hire even more extra teachers and pay for all sorts of other services that might benefit the children.

Why does Ms Mitchell not lament the fact that teachers are paid for supplying labour? Why is paying teachers not also “at odds with more community spirited aims to invest fully in the service itself”?

Perhaps Ms Mitchell realises that if teachers were unpaid, they would be reluctant to do the job and, in the end, children would be worse off. Yet the same goes for those who supply the capital. If they were not paid to do so, they would not supply it and, again, the children would be worse off.

Of course, capital can be supplied by the government. Though she did not say so explicitly, I suspect this is Ms Mitchell’s preferred alternative to private capital and the profits required to attract it. But there are (at least) two problems with government-supplied capital.

First, it is the opposite of “community spirited”. Government-owned enterprises need not make a profit because their capital comes from taxation. The taxpayers who supply it have no choice in the matter.

Evolve Education attracts capital by offering those who voluntarily invest a 4.65 per cent dividend, should things work out. The government raises capital by threatening to imprison you if you do not hand it over. It is perverse to regard this method as the “community spirited” one. You might as well say slavery is more community spirited than attracting voluntary workers by offering wages.

Second, eliminating profit harms the intended beneficiaries: in this case, children receiving preschool education. A kindergarten that gets its capital from profit-seeking investors must provide a good service. If it doesn’t, parents will take their children elsewhere and profits will decline. If the kindergarten performs very poorly, it may even go out of business and lose its shareholders the money they invested. A privately owned kindergarten, like any privately owned enterprise, has a powerful commercial incentive to provide a good product or service.

A kindergarten funded with money confiscated from taxpayers lacks this incentive. The “investors” have lost their money from the start. It makes no financial difference to taxpayers if the kindergarten they have “invested in” thrives or goes out of business. So it makes no financial difference to them whether or not the kindergarten provides a service that parents value.

An enterprise relieved of the need to attract investment from profit-seekers is an enterprise relieved of an important reason to provide good products or services. Unlike privately owned firms, state-owned enterprises can persist indefinitely despite providing a service that people value less than the cost of supplying it. They go out of business only when government ministers give up on them – which they almost never do, if only because it would amount to an admission that they have wasted money confiscated from taxpayers.

Ms Mitchell pointed to the insolvency of ABC, an Australian preschool company, as evidence against private ownership. This is the crowning glory of her confusion. That underperforming private firms are subject to insolvency is a virtue of private ownership, not a vice.

It is no wonder that so many people want to work with capital that has been confiscated from taxpayers. It relieves them of the burden of providing something that people value. But they should not pretend that this indulgence is a virtue. It harms everyone but them.

– NZ Herald
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January 8, 2015 8:22am
Keeping Stock

The New Zealand squad for the Cricket World Cup will be announced at 5pm this afternoon, and the selectors have the best possible scenario; who to leave out.

FWIW, here’s my 15 players (those who I would select, not necessarily those who will be selected):

Brendon McCullum (captain), Kane Williamson (vice-captain), Martin Guptill, Anton Devcich, Ross Taylor, Tom Latham, Corey Anderson, Luke Ronchi, Daniel Vettori, Nathan McCullum, Kyle Mills, Tim Southee, Matt Henry, Mitchell McClenaghan and Adam Milne.

The unlucky players to miss my squad are Trent Boult and Jimmy Neesham, but I want both of them to focus on being test specialists in the meantime. However, it would not surprise if Boult is selected later today, with one of Mills, Henry or Milne missing the cut.

Whoever the selectors go with, New Zealand will be ultra-competitive in home conditions. Roll on 14th February, and let the Cricket World Cup begin!
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January 8, 2015 8:28am
NK

Boult in, Mills to miss out. That will be harsh on Mills but if you watch the documentary on the previous World Cup held here, which Pakistan won, their focus was on wicket taker bowlers and that’s what Boult offers. Devcich will also miss out in favour of Neesham.
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January 8, 2015 8:34am
flipper

KEEPING….

Good choice. But can we do away with a beard or two? 🙂
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January 8, 2015 8:35am
Longknives

Saw Exodus yesterday- It has been predictably slammed by most Film Critics and sneering Atheists (‘How dare they cast a White actor as Moses?’ ‘Science tells us it couldn’t have happened’ etc etc)
I thought it was a bloody good watch- A typical bloody Ridley Scott Swords and Sandals Epic…
A cracking film! So long as you simply take it for what it is- Entertainment!
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January 8, 2015 8:36am
Nukuleka

Today’s Dominion Post editorial is a shocker and no wonder that on Stuff there is a disclaimer that it was written prior to the Paris terrorist attacks. The notion that western liberal tolerance is an all-cure panacea for Islamic terrorism has been shown to be a nonsense. The Dominion Post has large dollops of egg all over its face and has created a very large rod for its own back.

It will be fascinating to see how its editorial staff attempt to pull themselves out of the hole they have dug for themselves.
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January 8, 2015 8:58am
James Stephenson

sneering Atheists (‘How dare they cast a White actor as Moses?’

Oi, don’t lump us sneering Atheists in with the perma-outraged affirmative action “People of colour” brigade.

The Chief sneerer’s review is here: https://richarddawkins.net/2014/12/an-atheists-take-on-exodus-gods-and-kings/

Brief summary – the film didn’t seem to know whether it wanted to be an old-fashioned religious story film or a secular take on religious mythology.

Apart from the previously mentioned affirmative action crowd, the most butt-hurt seem to be the more fundamentalist-inclinded Christian types objecting to Bale describing Moses as “schitzophrenic” and “barbaric” and wanting to attribute the whole Red Sea malarky to an earthquake.
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January 8, 2015 9:00am
MT_Tinman

Keeping Stock (9,409 comments) says:
January 8th, 2015 at 8:28 am Roll on 14th February, and let the Cricket World Cup begin!

There’s a very large number of ODIs to go yet (10 from memory).

Probably five injuries in that lot.
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January 8, 2015 9:02am
dirty harry

About time we shut the gate on muslim imports. They are not compatible with us. We don’t want or need them. They are scum.
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January 8, 2015 9:07am
stephieboy

Dirty Harry, shutting out all Muslim imports nor expelling the 50 ,000 already here is not a realistic or sane option.It simply won’t happen unless the likes of you and others try and jackboot ,and storm troop themselves into power .

The response to the massacre requires a firm , measured and most importantly a reasoned response The best we can hope for is that the French Counter Terrorism Unit can catch the thugs and quickly.!
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January 8, 2015 9:16am
Keeping Stock

@ NK – I don’t believe there is room for both Anderson and Neesham in the squad; they are too alike. Devcich has the added advantage of being able to bowl a few overs, plus he gives the side a batting option at the top of the order. They can either open with McCullum and Guptill, but I have a few doubts over Latham’s ability to pace at chase from the #5 spot. Or Guptill and Devcich open, and McCullum drops back to #5; that gives you a top/middle order of Williamson, Taylor, McCullum, Anderson and Ronchi, with the likes of Vettori and Southee to follow.

Boult is bowling so well in test cricket I don’t want to see him mucking around with changes of pace, variations etc required for limited overs cricket. Mills is an ODI specialist, and this will be his last hurrah.
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January 8, 2015 9:24am
Keeping Stock

@ MT_Tinman – one of the things I’ve been most impressed with about the current outfit is the fitness, and the lowest injury rate amongst the bowlers that I can remember for many a day.
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January 8, 2015 9:25am
Komata

SB

Re: ‘The best we can hope for is that the French Counter Terrorism Unit can catch the thugs and quickly’.

Sadly, it is unlikely to happen, the perpetrators merely ‘vanishing’ back into the Muslim ghettos (housing estates) around Paris and ‘blending in’, surrounded by a wall of impenetrable silence.. These are areas that the French Police WILL NOT GO INTO (if they value their lives; most do) and in which there will be great support (at all levels) for the actions that these individuals have taken. Outwardly there will be condemnation’, within the ‘estates, there will be great rejoicing.

The Police / CTU will ‘go through the motions’ and the politicians will make lots of noise, but ultimately, nothing will be done, and Islam has won another victory.

Such things will of course never, ever, happen here…. (Tui moment)
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January 8, 2015 9:34am
KiwiGreg

@komata given you don’t know what will happen your speculation is meaningless. Two cops were killed. It’s extremely unlikely the French police will take a “close enough is good enough” approach to catching the killers.
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January 8, 2015 9:40am
hj

Augustus Earle A Narrative of Nine Months Residence in New Zealand 1827 gives his view on who pacified the Maori:

THE WHALERS AND THE MISSIONARIES

The South Sea whalers are the ships the natives are the most anxious to see on their coasts; and it is the crews of those vessels who have, in a manner, civilised these hardy islanders. Captain Gardiner, of the Marianne (the vessel now in the harbour), is the oldest person in that trade; and he informed me, that not longer than twenty years back scarcely any vessel would dare to touch at New Zealand; and when, from particular circumstances, they were obliged so to do, they kept their boarding-nettings up, and kept a strict guard night and day: their fears arose from a want of knowledge of the disposition of the people. The vessels frequenting the island use no precautions now: hundreds of natives are permitted to crowd on board each ship; and no accident has ever occurred from this mode of treatment. But when a ship of war arrives here for the first time, the precautions taken are, to arm the row-guard with cutlasses and pistols, and to harass the crew with constant watching, while the only enemy that exists is in their own imaginations. To the courage and enterprise of the commanders of whalers all credit is due for working the rapid change in these once bloody-minded savages, and forming safe and commodious harbours for their vessels to refit in: this have they done in a part of the world lately looked upon with horror. What credit soever the missionaries may take to themselves, or try to make their supporters in England believe, every man who has visited this place, and will speak his mind freely and disinterestedly, must acknowledge they have had no share in bringing about this change of character; but, on the contrary, they have done all that in them lay to injure the reputation of the whaler in the estimation of the natives. Hitherto they have not succeeded: their want of hospitality and kindness to their own countrymen raises a strong dislike to them in the minds of these unsophisticated people. According to their simple notions of right and wrong, they think the want of hospitality an unpardonable offence, and that the counsel or advice of a man who shuts his door against his neighbour is not worthy of being attended to.

I will give the reader one more anecdote of these men, who are sent out to set an example of the beauty of the Christian faith to the unenlightened heathens. A few weeks since, the festival of Christmas took place; and Englishmen, in whatever part of the world they chance to be, make a point of assembling together on that day, our recollections then being associated with “home” and our families, uniting to spend that day in mutual congratulations and wishes for happiness. For some time previous to its arrival, the captains of the two whalers and myself had been deliberating where we should spend this social day; and it was finally settled that we should cross the bay to Te Puna, a beautiful and romantic spot, the residence of an intelligent chief, called Warri Pork, and an Englishman, named Hanson. Near this was a church missionary establishment; and at this Englishman’s house we determined we would spend the day. The captains of the two whalers then in the harbour joined our party; and as everyone contributed his share towards our picnic feast, the joint stock made altogether a respectable appearance.
We proceeded to Te Puna in two whaleboats: it was a most delightful trip, the scenery being strikingly beautiful. The village of Ranghe Hue, belonging to Warri Pork, is situated on the summit of an immense and abrupt hill: the huts belonging to the savages appeared, in many places, as though they were overhanging the sea, the height being crowned with a mighty pah. At the bottom of this hill, and in a beautiful valley, the cottages of the missionaries are situated, complete pictures of English comfort, content, and prosperity; they are close to a bright sandy beach: a beautiful green slope lies in their rear, and a clear and never-failing stream of water runs by the side of their enclosures. As the boats approached this lovely spot, I was in an ecstasy of delight: such a happy mixture of savage and civilised life I had never seen before; and when I observed the white smoke curling out of the chimneys of my countrymen, I anticipated the joyful surprise, the hearty welcome, the smiling faces, and old Christmas compliments that were going to take place, and the great pleasure it would give our secluded countrymen to meet us, in these distant regions, at this happy season, and talk of our relatives and friends in England.

My romantic notions were soon crushed; our landing gave no pleasure to these secluded Englishmen: they gave us no welcome; but, as our boats approached the shore, they walked away to their own dwellings, closed their gates and doors after them, and gazed at us through their windows; and during three days that we passed in a hut quite near them, they never exchanged one word with any of the party. Thus foiled in our hopes of spending a social day with our compatriots, after our dinner was over we sent materials for making a bowl of punch up the hill to the chiefs, and spent the remainder of the day surrounded by generous savages, who were delighted with our company, and who did everything in their power to make us comfortable. In the course of the afternoon two of the mission came up to preach; but the savages were so angry with them for not showing more kindness to their own countrymen, that none would listen to them.

I have visited many of the Roman Catholic missionary establishments; their priests adopt quite a different line of conduct: they are cheerful and kind to the savage pagan, and polite and attentive to their European brethren; they have gained the esteem of those they have been sent to convert; they have introduced their own language amongst them, which enables them to have intercourse with strangers; and, however we may differ in some tenets of religious belief, we must acknowledge the success of their mission. They have brought nearly the whole of the Indian population in South America into the bosom of their church; and their converts form the greater part of the people. Notwithstanding the numerous church and sectarian missionaries sent from England, I never met with one Indian converted by them. I have attended mass in an Indian village; a native priest performed the ceremony, and the whole congregation (except myself) were of his cast and complexion: and, it is worthy of remark, that in Peru, and some of the most populous provinces, a pagan is scarcely to be found.

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11933/11933-h/11933-h.htm#CHAPTER_XXXVII
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January 8, 2015 9:41am
MT_Tinman

Keeping Stock (9,412 comments) says:
January 8th, 2015 at 9:25 am

@ MT_Tinman – one of the things I’ve been most impressed with about the current outfit is the fitness, and the lowest injury rate amongst the bowlers that I can remember for many a day.

More, I suggest, the desire to play with minor injuries (note Southee before the 2nd test) as opposed to crying off at the slightest twinge (Bond etc.).

I agree re the fitness thing, there was a very good article on Cricinfo by the Sri Lankan (Fernando?) a day or so ago highlighting exactly that plus the willingness to use that fitness for the good of the team.

ODI cricket adds another strain, particularly to bowlers and I think it’s realistic to expect one injury every two ODIs. Whether those injuries impact on WC availability is yet to be seen.

I seriously doubt most teams will end up with their declared squads intact at the start of the tournament.
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January 8, 2015 10:04am
flipper

Keeping Stock (9,412 comments) says:
January 8th, 2015 at 9:25 am

@ MT_Tinman – one of the things I’ve been most impressed with about the current outfit is the fitness, and the lowest injury rate amongst the bowlers
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Let us not forget the support staff. I recall lecturing Martin Crowe at a dinner party on his lack of preparedness against avoidable injury – strapping ankles etc when fielding. That advice was as a fellow dinner guest, not as a team staffer.
But yes, we are always injury liable, but not necessarily prone.
McMillian, always pugnacious, has done well as batting coach. Bond, his idiosyncratic injury record as a player notwithstanding, has earned every bit of his pay as the bowling coach. Most other countries would like to be in our place as the CWC dawns.

The last three months have proved to me that we do have the ability – and the gonads to win!
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January 8, 2015 10:31am
Redbaiter

North Korea Publicly Executes 80 for Possessing Bibles

The alleged “criminals” were put to death in seven cities across North Korea, averaging ten per city. The victims had their heads covered by white bags, were tied to stakes near a stadium, and shot by authorities repeatedly with machine guns. North Korean officials forced a crowd of over 10,000 people, including children, to witness the killings.

“I heard from the residents that they watched in terror as the corpses were (so) riddled by machine-gun fire that they were hard to identify afterward,” the JoongAng Ilbo source said.

The massacre marks the first time during Kim Jong-un’s reign where public executions have taken place, a troubling sign for the future of the totalitarian country. Government officials suggest that the executions were meant to quell the recent spread of capitalism in various cities across North Korea.

This is what happens when you get insanely obsessive atheists/ communists running a country. Are you reading this Big Bruv, Wat Dabney and Nasska?

http://www.jewsnews.co.il/2014/06/23/north-korea-publicly-executes-80-for-possessing-bibles/
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January 8, 2015 11:31am
Longknives

Black Caps have no chance against the mighty England in the Cricket World Cup!
*Just Kidding (Joke between me and me old mate Tinman…)
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January 8, 2015 11:51am
mikenmild

‘I recall lecturing Martin Crowe at a dinner party on his lack of preparedness against avoidable injury’
I’ll bet he was well used to hearing advice from random fuckwits, though.
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January 8, 2015 12:12pm
hj

Crisis in Europe By: Bruce Bawer
The Hudson Review | Tuesday, April 18, 2006

It happened in Amsterdam, a city I flipped for in 1997 and moved to a year later.[1] But it wasn’t till 1999, when I lived briefly in a predominantly Muslim neighborhood, that I took in the fact that the city was divided into two radically different and almost entirely separate communities. One of them, composed mostly of ethnic Dutchmen, was secular, liberal, and (owing to a very low birthrate) dwindling steadily; the other, composed of immigrant Muslims, lived in tradition-bound, self-segregating enclaves whose autocratic leaders despised democracy and whose population (thanks to high birth and immigration rates) was climbing rapidly. This division, I soon realized, was replicated across Western Europe. Clearly, major social friction-and more-lay down the line.

Though Fortuyn’s book had appeared in 1997, I didnt hear about it, either, until much later.
These were strong voices; but they were also voices in the wilderness, taking on a political, academic, and media establishment that refused to listen. If al-Kubaisis arguments were virtually ignored by that establishment, and if Wikans proposals were dismissed out of hand, Fortuyn-while finding a receptive audience among ordinary Dutchmen-was demonized by the Dutch elite. Though he was a liberal, committed to freedom and sexual equality, politicians and journalists labeled him a fascist. This systematic misrepresentation led directly to his murder on May 6, 2002, by a Green Party activist whose account of his motives read like a précis of the establishment line on Fortuyn.
The messenger was silenced-but his message lived on in the writings of other heterodox Europeans who, stirred by 9/11, began to find their voices. Legendary Italian journalist Oriana Fallaci, for example, responded to 9/11 with The Rage and the Pride, a cri de coeur in which she wrote: “I am very, very, very angry. Angry with a rage which is cold, lucid, rational . . . . I spit in their face.”[5]

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=4782

Of course it was all over the news here. 🙂
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January 8, 2015 12:34pm
nickb

FWIW, here’s my 15 players (those who I would select, not necessarily those who will be selected):

Herald is tipping Henry to miss out and Boult to be in. Boult hasn’t played much ODI cricket recently (or at all) but the media seem to be saying he’ll be an automatic pick like it is a given. Doesn’t look like there will be any bolters though. I would also be astounded if Devcich got in for Neesham.
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January 8, 2015 12:57pm
MT_Tinman

Longknives (5,011 comments) says:
January 8th, 2015 at 11:51 am

Black Caps have no chance against the mighty England in the Cricket World Cup!

England will have as good a bowling attack and middle order as anyone at the WC.

This looks like being the most even competition in WC history.
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January 8, 2015 1:07pm
Longknives

Agreed with Tinman- I think there are four or five teams that could win this one.
NZ always play better as underdogs. Historically they haven’t performed in tournaments where there has been a lot of ‘hype’ about them- In that respect I hope the media pulls it’s head in a little bit (Despite the team being in superb form- some of the ‘Greatest ever’ calls/predictions of dominating the World Cup have been a little ridiculous)
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January 8, 2015 1:19pm
iMP

Stephen Fry to marry a boy 30 years his junior. What is it with the cult of youth amongst aging Queens? Aristophanes “The Clouds” had a go at that old bugger Socrates for the same…so nothing new under the sun I suppose.
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January 8, 2015 1:25pm
kowtow

North Korea publicly executes 80 for possessing bibles.

Front page outrage from international MSM when a black robber is shot by a white policeman in the US.

But this outrage will be largely ignored by the same international MSM.
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January 8, 2015 1:48pm
hj

Enlightenment fundamentalism or racism of the anti-racists?
http://www.signandsight.com/features/1146.html
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January 8, 2015 1:59pm
James Stephenson

Stephen Fry to marry a boy 30 years his junior.

He’s 27, not exactly a “boy”.
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January 8, 2015 3:02pm
James Stephenson

England will have as good a bowling attack and middle order as anyone at the WC

History says that neither England or NZ are good at one day cricket and test cricket at the same time…
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January 8, 2015 3:04pm
mikenmild

It is not exactly unknown for famous or rich older men to marry much younger women either.
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January 8, 2015 3:06pm
stigie

“He’s 27, not exactly a “boy”.”

But he is Stephen Frys “boy” though James !~
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January 8, 2015 3:36pm
Nukuleka

According to The Independent newspaper those of us who regard gay ‘marriage’ as nothing but an anachronism are going to miraculously change our views once we see how normal and ordinary Stephen Fry’s ‘engagement’ is. Wow, Stephen is even sporting a dinky engagement ring. That normalises the abnormal, doesn’t it?

I think not. No. I don’t give a hoot who Stephen Fry does or doesn’t bonk, but his relationship with his toy boy will never be a ‘marriage’.
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January 8, 2015 4:25pm
Keeping Stock

England will have as good a bowling attack and middle order as anyone at the WC.

This looks like being the most even competition in WC history.

I agree MT_Tinman. I purchased tickets today for England vs New Zealand at Westpac Stadium on 20 February and the quarter-final in Wellington on March 21st (which will feature New Zealand, assuming they make the last eight). I tried to get tickets for Australia vs New Zealand at Eden Park but that is already sold out, as is the opening match at Hagley Oval. Given half-decent weather, this will be an event to remember.
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January 8, 2015 4:32pm
Rowan

Elliot’s a bit of a left field surprise selection, it’s been a while since he played for the blackcaps but congratulations and all the best to him, somewhat surprised that neither Brownlie or Devich made the cut but I suppose the opening roles are adequately covered with McCullum, Guptill and also Tom Latham if need be.
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January 8, 2015 5:52pm
Longknives

What kind of hold does Kyle Mills have over the NZ selectors?
The opposition batsmen must be shaking in their boots about facing the same 130kph dribblers they’ve been facing for the past 15 years in the World Cup…
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January 8, 2015 6:05pm
Rowan

A pretty good squad overall but I agree with Longblouse, Mills is past his you by date and should be replaced in the squad by Henry, hopefully he won’t get close to the eleven.
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January 8, 2015 6:13pm
SGA

RE: Stephen Fry
Catherine Zeta-Jones / Michael Douglas (the bastard 🙂 )
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January 8, 2015 6:40pm
Don the Kiwi

I wonder what’s happened to Nasska and his co-religionist atheists?

Oh, that’s right; they are busy equating Catholics and other Christians with the murderous religion of peace on the other thread.

Quelle surprise !!
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January 8, 2015 7:42pm
Johnboy

Jesus Don! Thank the Lord. I thought I was the only surviving KB pensioner! 🙂
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January 8, 2015 7:49pm
Johnboy

What’s happened to the “Peak Oil” thread? 🙂
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January 8, 2015 8:14pm
nickb

Also was quite shocked Neesham has lost out to a tried and failed bloke who hasn’t played international cricket in over a year…
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January 8, 2015 9:03pm
ngatimozart

Je suis Charlie as the French are saying at the moment.
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January 8, 2015 9:14pm
Fight Communism

Looks like Multiculturalism is working.
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January 8, 2015 9:37pm
simpleton1

I found a good slogan
adopt the slogan “Je NE suis pas Charlie”
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January 8, 2015 9:49pm
simpleton1

“Je NE suis pas Charlie – Je tirerai en arrière!”
(I am NOT Charlie – I’ll shoot back!)

Instead of the patsy murders that Mohammad was behind in his thinking of “I have been made victorious with terror”
would have cured the problem 1400 years ago
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January 8, 2015 9:57pm
simpleton1

That is what encouraged Mohammad and his followers, the reign of terror that he could see allowed him to control and expand, and if any resistance, then bide your time until you are stronger and also “I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)”.
No body really “shot back”
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January 8, 2015 10:15pm
Rowan

Nickb
Yes somewhat of a surprise call with Elliott, but his domestic form has been really good and justifies it, Neesham is overrated and in reality quite average, he is not much of a bowler and can’t buy a run in the shortened version of the game. I might have gone for Devich instead of either as an alternative at the top of the order and can also bowl a bit of spin but all the best to Elliott, probably mostly an academic discussion as Elliott is providing a backup role and is unlikely to feature significantly in the playing eleven.
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January 8, 2015 11:25pm
Fight Communism

http://youtu.be/gz3I7HCsMOU
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January 9, 2015 12:46am
Left Right and Centre

sewing circle shit . . .

My new thing is actually making an effort to catch the start of TV programmes. Like the film Top Gun. I’ve seen it – but never the very start. I was a child when Top Gun came out. So with the benefit of hindsight and my growing KB wisdom – I now know that although some people would call it an American popular culture classic; I now know better.

It is in fact a homoerotic bromance rom-com kids movie – boy meets girl – boy pilots hate each other initially, then boy pilots despite hating each other intensely are united during a dog fight as blood brothers for life by their deeper hatred of mig toting dirty commie bastards.

Also observed: no advisory warning before the film – which instinctively makes me ready to change the channel (and I thought – *really?* how does this piece of shit have no parental warning ?) – but then it came up as a silent bottom panel after a few opening seconds. That’s the classy way to do it. Nicely played. Saved me having to mute the stupid serious sounding warning voiceover. It does save them a few precious otherwise wasted advertising seconds though eh ?
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January 9, 2015 12:52am
Viking2

A wake up call about NZ Police State in the making. Very good editorial.

Stern-looking police officers have been in our faces almost daily, warning that zero tolerance would be shown to lawbreakers. I’m sure I’m not the only one who has found their lecturing increasingly tiresome and patronising.

In November, TV3 reported that police had thrown an impregnable cordon around Hamilton’s CBD on a Saturday night. No vehicle could get out (or in, presumably) without going through a checkpoint. To me, that sounds almost like a police state.

It was a formidable display of police power, but how many lives did it save? And how many of the apprehended drivers were left feeling humiliated and angry at being made to feel like criminals for unwittingly doing something that was legal only days before, and that probably posed no danger to anyone?

I bet I wasn’t alone in thinking we had crossed a new threshold. And I bet I wasn’t alone in feeling uncomfortable at the obvious satisfaction of the police inspector in charge, who seemed to relish exerting such control over the lives of her fellow citizens.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/64786447/police-erode-public-faith-with-zero-tolerance-zeal
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January 9, 2015 6:40am
Viking2

The ministry was given new powers in February to ban people from driving if they repeatedly ignored warning notices or court orders about unpaid speeding tickets or other traffic fines.

The powers, known as Driver Licence Stop Orders (DLSOs), were brought in by the National-led Government to help recoup $240 million in outstanding traffic fines owed by more than 30,000 people.

Figures released under the Official Information Act show 362 DLSOs have been issued. The orders gave people 14 days to pay before they risked losing their licence.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11383768

The NZ Police Tax Collection agency.
Bought to you by a National Govt.
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