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waikatogirl

Odeky-sen: while their oldest son and his wife and children live above on the second floor. The son usually pays for the construction of the house, but the parents supply the land.

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Ah tradition, great if it works, but I am soooooo glad I’m not married to the eldest son!!!!!! I know my sister-in-law, married to the eldest brother, would be just as pleased as I would be about this situation with our MIL (mother-in-law)! Her sons could not accept such a situation either.

It just wouldn’t work in some cases… of course, some families wouldn’t have any alternative if they wish to live in Auckland.
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January 5, 2015 12:47pm
mikenmild

The trend in New Zealand is to provide more support services to older persons living in their own homes and then move them to the new retirement castles. It can work well to have three generations under the same roof, but it isn’t for everyone.
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January 5, 2015 12:55pm
Odakyu-sen

waikatogirl,

You’re right. In-laws don’t always get on, and in Japan, mother-in-laws are notorious for making their daughter-in-law’s lives hell. It depends on the family. Nisetai jutaku won’t work for everyone, but when they do, then they’re really good.

Mind you, with property prices in Auckland so high (reminds me of the property bubble that burst in Japan in 1992 and has been deflating ever since), there are many good reasons to consider such an arrangement, especially if the old man has land in EGGs or Auckland Boys Grammar zone.
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January 5, 2015 12:59pm
waikatogirl

The trend in New Zealand is to provide more support services to older persons living in their own homes and then move them to the new retirement castles.

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It is a good scheme to keep elderly in their own homes for as long as possible, if that’s what they wish. However, a lot of elderly are too proud to ask for home help even for the basics. They don’t realise that they can’t see cleaning that needs doing, etc.
GP’s need to be aware that some elderly are not going to ask, and even deny the need for help. Families are not always available or close at hand.

A large retirement “castle” in Tauranga is known as “Colditz” for the view of it from the rear side.
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January 5, 2015 1:05pm
mikenmild

We’ve just got a couple of massive retirement home projects under way here in the Hutt. Amazing growth industry. I haven’t heard too much in recent years of people adding granny flats.
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January 5, 2015 1:09pm
Odakyu-sen

Retirement homes are not bad in some ways. You don’t have a care in the world, as everything is laid on for you. However, your life is really no longer your own.

Also, people can lose their second language ability when they get really old, but I have never heard of this issue being discussed in New Zealand. I hope the nurses at the rest homes can speak Hindi or Cantonese, to cope with the future influx.

As for me, I hope that someone will put me to sleep if I lose all my marbles. I might even put that in writing and give it to my lawyer.
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January 5, 2015 1:15pm
dime

“I haven’t heard too much in recent years of people adding granny flats.”

that may be because councils dont like and the costs councils inflict upon people who want to add one.

i could be wrong, but thats what i was told when speaking to some people about building a home & income (was planning on renting both out).
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January 5, 2015 1:59pm
dime

cricket isnt looking good 🙁
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January 5, 2015 2:19pm
All_on_Red

The A10 hasn’t been retired. In the “cromnibus” passed at Christmas there was around $1.1 billion allocated to keep it going.
Amazing machine.
Also fighters need guns. The defensive systems against missiles are pretty good and with speeds nearing/ over Mach 2 the closing speeds between two aircraft often means you’ re going to get close pretty quick and the fight will become very close.
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January 5, 2015 2:26pm
dime

“The A10 hasn’t been retired.”

what an amazing plane. Dimes 2nd favourite… F15 being no 1
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January 5, 2015 2:30pm
All_on_Red

Dime
My son completed a model version of the Israeli F15 the last rainy days. Did a good job on the painting too. I keep telling him, soon you might see it on the news taking a trip to Iran…
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January 5, 2015 2:34pm
dime

All_on_Red – lol
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January 5, 2015 2:36pm
wf

On Boxing day afternoon a young friend and his mates in their 20’s decided to go in to town to get some beer. He hopped onto the back of the ute. On the way, the ute overturned and rolled on my young friend. They turned off the life support on Friday.

In-experienced driver on shingle road seem to have been the main factor.
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January 5, 2015 3:43pm
EAD

The biggest barrier in this country to effecting positive change is the sheer quantity of sheeple. The overwhelming amount of them simply don’t care to learn about what’s happening to them. In fact, they are sheep that suffer from Ostrich syndrome, having their heads eternally buried in the sand.

I personally believe that removing the main stream media would be the first and most important step to take to start getting the sheeple to wake up but I have no idea how to accomplish that. The MSM is the lifeblood of the propaganda sheep feeding machine, and until it’s under control, I see little change forthcoming because when you see the current main Headline on stuff – “Caroline Wozniacki loses her underwear deal”, this is going to remain a permanently distracted country:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/tennis/64664227/caroline-wozniacki-loses-underwear-deal-thanks-to-cristiano-ronaldo

For crying out loud, I know having Rory McIlroy’s ex-girlfriend in the country is big news in our self-proclaimed “gods own country” but is this news, let alone lead story?
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January 5, 2015 4:01pm
lofty

I am truely sorry to hear that wf.

Young fellas doing stuff…
A bit like the youngster that leapt from a light pole and missed the pool.
Being young is a risky business, most of us are lucky at some level to still be here.
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January 5, 2015 4:04pm
Colville

Dime.
Granny flats.
I am adding one onto a house I own at the mo. Its an easy $200 a week rent.
Council makes it hard because once the flat is there and legal you kinda have existing useage rights for two dwellings … then you kinda can say well I wanna subdivide and sell them seperatley.
Leads to area and access issues.

In Hawkes Bay the Council allows a seperate dwelling for dependant relitive. Less than 80M2. Cannot be subdivided tho. Which is much better than home. (Palmy)
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January 5, 2015 4:36pm
Manolo

@Colville: Very happy 2015 for you and the family. Drink good wine, as always.
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January 5, 2015 4:43pm
Shawn Herles

The Abortion Distortion: Jonathan Gruber’s thesis that abortion had led to a crime drop is cold and almost certainly false.

Gruber’s thesis that abortion caused America’s crime drop is almost certainly false. But what’s more revealing is the casual readiness to calculate lost lives as so many numbers on a balance sheet. If it makes you uncomfortable that such a person helped design Obamacare, you’re not alone.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/395585/abortion-distortion-mona-charen
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January 5, 2015 4:52pm
Reid

The MSM is the lifeblood of the propaganda sheep feeding machine

Along with the music industry and Hollyweird, EAD. Don’t underestimate those two. But notwithstanding the declining power of the MSM due to their OTT transparency in pushing the bullshit as opposed to what’s really happening, nothing is changing. It just gets worse and worse and worse. So I don’t think your diagnosis will have the desired prognosis. Sadly. For the sheeple.

What pisses me off is that when the hammer does fall, despite the fact that you and I will both be a few thousand miles ahead of the slaughter line, we’re still going to be in the slaughter line.

That’s where religion comes in real handy, in terms of that question.
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January 5, 2015 5:27pm
ngatimozart

Reid (16,930 comments) says:
January 5th, 2015 at 9:56 am
Does anyone believe this?

How can a “software glitch” on the F-35’s main gun take 4 years, 4-long-years, to fix? On a program worth hundreds of billions? With thousands of very very very smart people working on it. 4 years? To fix or even re-build software that fires a freaking gun?

First of all this is a MSM article put out by people who don’t know what they are talking about. They are not part of the program and hence not privy to the required info about it. There is a lot of misinformation being bandied around in the MSM by people who have absolutely no clues about the program such as Goon and Kopp of Air Power Australia. They have been discredited but MSM still think they are “experts” on the F35. They are not part if the F35 program and never have been. Regarding the software for the gun, it may be for be for the aiming and deflection shooting, or the operation of the hatch to the gun port that has to open before firing, or any other gizmo related to the gun operation.
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January 5, 2015 5:30pm
cha

How can a “software glitch” on the F-35’s main gun take 4 years, 4-long-years, to fix? On a program worth hundreds of billions? With thousands of very very very smart people working on it. 4 years? To fix or even re-build software that fires a freaking gun?

Seems it isn’t ready.

“My biggest concern in development is software,” Bogdan said in remarks prepared for a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing. “I see more risk to the delivery of Block 3F, our full warfighting capability, by 2017.

http://defensetech.org/2013/04/24/concerns-linger-over-f-35-software-delays/

“There will be no gun until [the Joint Strike Fighter’s Block] 3F [software], there is no software to support it now or for the next four-ish years,” said one Air Force official affiliated with the F-35 program. “Block 3F is slated for release in 2019, but who knows how much that will slip?”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/12/31/new-u-s-stealth-jet-can-t-fire-its-gun-until-2019.html
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January 5, 2015 5:41pm
Reid

Regarding the software for the gun, it may be for be for the aiming and deflection shooting, or the operation of the hatch to the gun port that has to open before firing, or any other gizmo related to the gun operation.

Yes I do realise ngati that it probably does a lot more than activate the firing switch on the hardware. My point was however how the hell can software to fire a gun take three years to develop on a multi-billion dollar project that has thousands of people working on it, especially given that the A-10 already does it perfectly well, albeit with different hardware?

Given the Marines can’t use their version of the F-35 until such software is in place and given that in the next three years such a weapons platform as an F-35 with close ground-support capability is almost certainly going to come in very useful indeed, WTF is every single manager on the entire project thinking, not to mention the politicians who are supposedly executing the will of their people by their support of the whole program. Isn’t it well past time that someone, somewhere, starting kicking arse and taking names? One would have thought so. That was my point.
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January 5, 2015 5:54pm
EAD

Game, Set, Match Putin?

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-04/russias-startling-proposal-europe-dump-us-join-eurasian-economic-union

I love this particular phrase

“In other words, just as slowly, the world is starting to grasp the bottom line: it is not the financial exposure to Russia, or the threat of financial contagion should Russia suffer a major recession or worse: it is something far simpler that will lead to the biggest harm for Europe’s countries. The lack of trade. Because while central banks can monetize everything, leading to an unprecedented asset bubble which if only for the time being boosts investor and consumer confidence, they can’t print trade”
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January 5, 2015 5:58pm
cricko

Who is in favour of promoting more muslim immigrants ?

If so, why ?
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January 5, 2015 6:02pm
Reid

Who is in favour of promoting more muslim immigrants ?

Apparently no-one except in particular European politicians bereal. Apparently this is democracy in action, for at least some if not all of the sheeple on Kiwiblog. I don’t know why they think that, but apparently they do. I of course don’t understand why they think that, but I repeat, they do, we had a big argument the other day.

Extraordinary, isn’t it.

EAD: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-02-231214.html
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January 5, 2015 6:11pm
EAD

Interesting Reid,

All these geo-political maneuverings by Russia, China & the BRICS leads me to think it is going to be “bite the bullet” time very soon.

The ongoing trend has been towards the NWO take over, and at some point, one either keeps going along and gets swallowed, or “bites the bullet” and resists. Once resistance is actually and fully embraced, all sorts of formerly unthinkable actions become obvious next steps, and this latest is one of them.
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January 5, 2015 6:17pm
Nostradamus

EAD:

The ongoing trend has been towards the NWO take over

Here’s a question for you EAD: do you accept this as an accurate description of what the “New World Order” seeks to achieve?

The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian world government—which will replace sovereign nation-states—and an all-encompassing propaganda whose ideology hails the establishment of the New World Order as the culmination of history’s progress. Significant occurrences in politics and finance are speculated to be orchestrated by an unduly influential cabal that operates through many front organizations. Numerous historical and current events are seen as steps in an ongoing plot to achieve world domination through secret political gatherings and decision-making processes

If you don’t accept that as an accurate description, then what do you say is factually incorrect?

If you do accept that as an accurate description, then (in your mind) where do splinter cells such as Boko Haram and ISIS fit into this plan for global domination?
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January 5, 2015 6:29pm
stephieboy

I think that this delectable con man David Icke is right on the delusional money with his NWO and Mind Control,

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rknWU-IfdoA

More ithan a match with EAD’s and Reid’s delectable twaddle. ,
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January 5, 2015 6:37pm
cricko

who———————————————————————————————————
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January 5, 2015 6:51pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/m2kl32y6wkanvz9/Religionutters%202.jpg?dl=0
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January 5, 2015 6:53pm
Reid

it is going to be “bite the bullet” time very soon.

I think we’ve got some way to go EAD. They’re getting more and more blatant and obvious for those who are prepared to educate themselves and detect the signs, but I’m not sure we’re just round the corner.
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January 5, 2015 6:54pm
nasska

….”who”….

Buggered if I know cricko. You might have to ask around the centres of power.

It’s probably a bit too complicated for us poor simple blog commenters & voters to figure out.
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January 5, 2015 6:58pm
Nostradamus

Goodness – two downticks for asking a question.

Oh well.

So much for respectfully engaging with those (like EAD) who hold alternative views.
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January 5, 2015 6:58pm
Reid

http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/grandmaster-putins-golden-trap.html
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January 5, 2015 7:04pm
nasska

Their views are very precious to them Nostra. Ideas take a long time to figure out & after all the trouble they’ve been to they’re not going to have them challenged.

You’re lucky you got away with a downtick…..hanging, drawing & quartering is the accepted punishment for heretics & freethinkers around these parts! 🙂
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January 5, 2015 7:04pm
Nostradamus

Take a walk on the wildside…

China’s weird, wacky and downright illegal buildings

It seems you don’t host the world’s biggest building boom without a few people cutting corners.

But some of the questionable towers and cheeky additions popping up in China would shock even the most lax building inspector.

Just this month architecture blog Curbed stumbled upon an illegal corridor connecting two high-rises in China’s city of Nanning. Appropriately tagged in their “seems legit” category, the corridor was reportedly built, and is used by, a single owner.

Not surprisingly the addition has proved unpopular with passers-by walking below.

I wonder if the owner has tried playing “bouncy castle” in his high-rise corridor of power?

Nasska:

They take a long time to figure out & after all the trouble they’ve been to they’re not going to have them challenged!

Indeed – I can almost imagine them reaching through my monitor, like a scene from The Ring, and throttling me for daring to *gasp* ask a question.
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January 5, 2015 7:05pm
Reid

Here’s an uptick Nosty, as at the time I post this. There are a few morons here who enjoy the downtick just for the heck of it. It’s got nothing to do with the content of the post, I think it has to do with the five or over letter words that cause them to have to look up the ductioniry b4 they can comprohund it.

I’ve started awarding them all Golden Sheeple awards, I’m hoping it catches on.

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

P.S. I’ve also started calling them weapons-grade village idiots as well, but I don’t think their ductioniry has it so they haven’t quite comprohunded that one yet.

P.S. I’m waiting for EAD to get back to you on your question.
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January 5, 2015 7:17pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/c117rjaewg0rr23/Wankstain%20%2026.png?dl=0
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January 5, 2015 7:21pm
Redbaiter

the accepted punishment for heretics & freethinkers around these parts!

Good god, here he is back again with the same old shit.

I hope you’re not implying that your OCD driven bigotry is what identifies you as a “free thinker” nasska.

Its the last thing I’d ever think of you as.
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January 5, 2015 7:25pm
Reid

Nosty if you want to look at the NWO in action then look at the link in my 7.04. Putin is NWO like the rest of them, but right now he’s not playing with them and that link explains what’s recently been happening quite well. Of course it could be a double-blind. Hey. Just cos I’m paranoid doesn’t mean I’m not being followed.
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January 5, 2015 7:26pm
nasska

….”Its the last thing I’d ever think of you as.”….

Probably, but in your defence, the lack of original thought or an ability to reason has never held you back in the past.
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January 5, 2015 7:28pm
Nostradamus

Thanks Reid.

In my professional life, when someone comes up with an unexpected position, I try to suspend judgment and understand why they’ve come to that position. It’s not always easy to do, of course, but (at least in a workplace context) there’s no point in dismissing someone’s position without understanding it unless the facts, on any objective view, are inconsistent with that position. In fact, I’ve found that work meetings (generally a waste of time) are most productive when someone goes beyond unquestioning acceptance and asks probing questions. You might call it an enquiring mind.

Personally, I’d like to see the quality of debate go beyond two-dimensional bickering (between lefties and righties and within those groups).

Look at yesterday’s guest post from Kiwi in America. A thoughtful piece. And what did we get? People moaning that the post was too long. And two lefties who offered nothing but abuse (eg thePeoplesFlag wrote “Jesus you are total blowhard” and HC wrote “Go and stay there, NZ is not the place for you … Good luck, we do not need you here.). Those comments say a lot about them. Overall, for a thread that had so much to offer, it was a big disappointment really.
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January 5, 2015 7:29pm
Redbaiter

Probably, but in your defence, the lack of original thought & an ability to reason has never held you back in the past.

That is very boastful and assuming Nasska in that you in your typical arrogant smug fashion award yourself superior powers in respect of those things.

The reality is there’s not many around here who display such channeled thinking processes as yourself, and such arrogant contempt for anyone who disagrees with your simpleton hayseed sixties hippie philosophy.
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January 5, 2015 7:34pm
Redbaiter

Overall, for a thread that had so much to offer, it was a big disappointment really.

Fuck me, been here so long and only mentioning this now. That’s par for the course. We’re lucky Nasska hasn’t posted some link to some stupid atheist themed cartoon he thinks is the funniest, or Grief hasn’t viciously attacked Sarah Palin as trailer trash, (oh wait) and Stephieboy hasn’t been seen there running around with a broomstick up his arse making incomprehensible statements about who knows the fuck what.

Oh, and lets not forget Johnboy with his mindless fucking sheep jokes.
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January 5, 2015 7:38pm
nasska

….”Stephieboy hasn’t been seen their running around with a broomstick up his arse making incomprehensible statements “….

Have another look on the label that came with your mushrooms Baity!
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January 5, 2015 7:40pm
Griff

Nostradamus.
You gonna stop Redbaiter ?

We might be lucky and he will do another hissy fit and tromp of to twitface or some place for a while.
That or he gets a few session in the naughty corner.
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January 5, 2015 7:44pm
Redbaiter

If you ever in your life Grief manage to climb the social ladder to the point where you can be described as trailer trash you will have done very well.
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January 5, 2015 7:48pm
Reid

Getting to the beginning of my understanding that the NWO is not fantasy Nosty took me six solid months looking at 911 before I had the epiphany that they really really did it. It was a literal epiphany and that’s because of the cognitive dissonance which operates on the sub conscious level without anyone being aware they suffer under it.

When I say “they,” I didn’t know who “they” were at that time, all I knew was that it simply wasn’t possible for it to have happened the way the official story had portrayed it as, simple as that, period, over and out. That was the epiphany. And that was in early 2003.

It’s consistent with Conan-Doyles dictum: eliminate the impossible and whatever’s left, however improbable, must be the case.

People who don’t get it are often those who have looked into a single thing in the field, normally extreme, about say, underground bases or shape-shifting reptilians or aliens or mind control or the occult or whatever, and their cognitive dissonance then poisons them to conflate the “keywords” (e.g. “conspiracy theory,” “NWO,” etc) with that. In other words they conflate everything with that single view. Then they anchor that perspective and forever after, they’re incapable of sorting the wheat from the chaff. Dealing with this stuff is therefore less a matter of IQ than it is of EQ.

But I would suggest because I sense you’re intellectually curious, you pick a topic you’re interested in, it may be JFK, it may be 911, it may be the Fed, whatever – and explore it, in detail. And place your judgement on hold and find everything you can about it and just file what you read about it away until you can say: right: I now know as much about it as I need to – what’s the answer? Is this bollocks or is it not?

I personally chose 911 because I’ve been interested in politics and geopolitics and history esp military history since I was a boy and I knew that event needed to be understood if I wanted to understand those disciplines. That’s what gave ME the passion to spend night after night looking at all things 911, for months. But if you’re serious, you need whatever is your passion, and if you don’t have one, fine. But once you’ve spent your whole life in the matrix, you can’t expect to break free of it without doing some work, so chose carefully my friend, because there is a lot a disinformation, a lot of complete and utter lightweight bollocks, a lot of extremely subtle garden-pathing in this field (which of course you’d expect if it were true, wouldn’t you). And you need that initial and original passion to keep burning, lest you get down one of those paths and simply give up, because you just can’t be arsed anymore.

Just a word of advice: don’t go too deep too fast. I know lawyers love that and expect that because the depth is always set by the rules. This is not like that. Suspend your legal mind, and adopt a philosopher’s mind. Look for logic and consistency and patterns across the field you’re looking at and float over them like a butterfly.
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January 5, 2015 7:52pm
Griff

Yip redbaiter
I am not trailer trash.
Kiwi mate.
River Rat from way back.
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January 5, 2015 7:54pm
EAD

Hi Nosty,

have just finished cooking and cleaning up after dinner so a late reply to your post (and no it wasn’t me that downticked your post – I very rarely downtick but do uptick a good post)

Your description is pretty much on the money as to what the NWO is. It is a very long term plan (centuries old) which combines super capitalism (for the rich) and Communism under the same tent and thus can’t be put into a “left” vs. “right” square. The key to it is financial, economic and increasingly thought control of the masses. It is evolving into the supranational sovereignty of an intellectual and banking elite replacing national auto-determination practiced in past centuries (i.e. a group of people with similar ethnic, lingua, religious, cultural similarities).

Boko Haram and the rise of Islam has been deliberately encouraged to create a war on such a huge scale (why do you think no Western country is immune to it) that like WW1 and WW2 it will exhaust populaces to spiritual breaking point who will then be ready to accept whatever “solutions” the leaders will put up. As such, all this “chaos” around the world I don’t believe is by accident and is merely the prelude to something much bigger.
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January 5, 2015 7:56pm
Left Right and Centre

That from one of KB’s resident looping infomercials – stop it, you’re killing me.
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January 5, 2015 8:01pm
flipper

Nostradamus (2,464 comments) says:

January 5th, 2015 at 7:29 pm

Thanks Reid.

In my professional life, when someone comes up with an unexpected position, I try to suspend judgment and understand why they’ve come to that position.
***&*

A very, very, good post Nostra. thanks.

I copied KiA and sent him hither and yon … to Aussie, USA, UK, and around NZ including to some power brokers at Government level. The reaction has been universally favourable and consequently it has been further distributed by those recipients.
I gave KiA’s contribution 10/10. I stand by that. Word for word, it is the best analysis in terms of scope and brevity, I have seen, and I have seen many.

And that brings me to the Palin hater, Griffie. Lord , what has Palin done? Did she turn down a Griffie come on? Griffie, for so long as you behave in that way, none of your views, on anything, will ever be accepted by me, and I suspect many others, as anything other the product of a mind that needs help. And if you bring up the Palin post of the child using the dog as a step, go check out de Generis. No screams of outrage there were there Griffie ?? Get some help, son…. and no apologies for the ad hominem aspect.
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January 5, 2015 8:06pm
Redbaiter

Greif has nothing but typical left wing hate for Sarah Palin, is enthusuastically pro the left’s obsession with gun control, supports the UN and the crazy delusional power grab it euphemistically calls “climate change”, and then tells us all he’s a right winger.

I bet the left wish a lot more of us were as right wing as Grief.
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January 5, 2015 8:10pm
nasska

….”left wing hate for Sarah Palin”….

Why on earth would anyone from the left or centre hate Palin. As the ultimate parody of an extreme Right wing religionutter she’s the best thing they have going for them.

Listening to a couple of her gaffe ridden inane speeches would turn Warren Buffet into a communist!
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January 5, 2015 8:15pm
Redbaiter

I guess no one does it for you like Hillary right nasska?

What a secular progressive babe.
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January 5, 2015 8:17pm
nasska

Pass! 🙂
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January 5, 2015 8:19pm
Reid

Interesting no-one mentions My Little Pony on here, isn’t it.
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January 5, 2015 8:24pm
Griff

See in the real world we rate peoples politics on the party they voted for .
Some voted for a party called conservative who had a main economic policy of NO MORE ASSET SALES.
In caps because it was rated a must have by the conservatives .
That is distantly socialist. Such a person is not economically a right winger .
It also plainly sets out that the right wing conservative tendency for authoritarian ideas is such a voters main preoccupation
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January 5, 2015 8:49pm
freemark

Nostradamus (2,464 comments) says:
January 5th, 2015 at 6:29 pm

Great comment.
So, Reid et al. You seem to be staking huge beliefs & theories stemming on from and/or predecessing what you believe happened around 9/11
I’ve read many of your links, & I’m no sheepie, but I reckon that the vast majority of those so called “truths” have been repeatedly & thoroughly discredited – especially to my engineering brain.
So if that is the case, and there is no “inside job” conspiracy around that attack..
What does it do to the rest of your “Agenda” ideas?
Serious question.
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January 5, 2015 9:03pm
Griff

Greif has nothing but typical left wing hate for Sarah Palin, is enthusuastically pro the left’s obsession with gun control, supports the UN and the crazy delusional power grab it euphemistically calls “climate change”, and then tells us all he’s a right winger.

I dont hate Palin redbaiter I think she is a fuckwit and feel sorry for those who support her vacant politics. Anti abortion ,creationism, abstinence only sex ed, general god bothering. pork barrel cronyism and other stupidity’s of the American religious conservative right.

Climate change is a matter of scientific realty not a political idea. The only valid question for the politics is the correct response to the threat not your stupid anti science wingnuttery.

Gun control is because the USA and its stupid lax gun laws result in a murder rate significantly the wost in the western world.

Right wing liberal voting redbaiter not a fucken socialist voting conservative, anti science ,authoritarian like you .
In case you haven’t noticed this is a right wing liberal blog.
why dont you fuck off to your failed conservonutter sewer rather than trying to take over KB with your teaparty nonsense.
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January 5, 2015 9:09pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ywc0iaoeu3ijzjh/Palin.jpg?dl=0
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January 5, 2015 9:13pm
Redbaiter

See in the real world we rate peoples politics on the party they voted for

Well then if anyone was seriously in favour of asset sales why would they have voted ACT or National?

National have said they’re not going to do it, and ACT are their poodle, and you haven’t heard a peep out of them on this issue since the election, so what the fuck was the use of that vote? 16,000 votes pissed up against the wall that if they’d been directed towards the CP could have really given Helen Key some steel in her spine.

Posturing prog fuckwits who kissed Helen Key’s arse to get their boy into parliament and are now worth SFA.
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January 5, 2015 9:15pm
freemark

Hmmm, I was going to ask if you got laid over the holidays Red..you had seemed to come back a bit more prepared to debate rather than nut off…
Looks like almost a premature ejaculation on my part..
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January 5, 2015 9:21pm
Griff

Your concept of the political process involved with MMP environment is immature redbaiter .
I would like national to lean towards the policy’s and direction of the ACT party.
The ACT party would have sold the assets a generation ago .
Politics is not a party with no experience going into the election with inflexible bottom lines.
I do not want to radical alter national I just would like it to go further right.
The party for that has always been ACT in the new Zealand context .
The conservatives are not that party and will never be as long as they have an incoherent socialist economic policy.
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January 5, 2015 9:28pm
Redbaiter

Hmmm, I was going to ask if you got laid over the holidays Red..you had seemed to come back a bit more prepared to debate rather than nut off…
Looks like almost a premature ejaculation on my part..

Why don’t you just contribute to the debate and spare us the infantile opinions on other commenters that no one really gives a fuck about?
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January 5, 2015 9:30pm
nasska

Itching powder on the chastity belt again tonight Baity? 🙂
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January 5, 2015 9:33pm
Griff

Why dont you Smeg off to your own blog with your desire to be hall monitor Redbaiter?
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January 5, 2015 9:33pm
freemark

Definitely didn’t get laid then…
We’ll have a whip round for some more chill pills shall we?
Maybe shout you and Penny away for a romantic weekend in ..Singapore?
😉
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January 5, 2015 9:36pm
Redbaiter

Oh gawd no, he’s another compulsive smiley face user.

One thing this place doesn’t lack is commenters with the vain and misplaced idea they have some kind of ability to be funny.
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January 5, 2015 9:37pm
freemark

Hmmmm, thoughts on Red..
No sense of humour, tries to repress those that do.
Control freak (Nanny State Leader fantasies?)
Repressed Head Prefect?
Sounds like a fucking Prog to me…
🙂 🙂 🙂
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January 5, 2015 9:43pm
Griff

That’s because you are being laughed at red .
Takes a big man to take that as funny .
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January 5, 2015 9:44pm
Redbaiter

Mark Steyn makes me laugh, not you would be if you could be dropkicks.

He’s got wit.

Look up what the word means.
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January 5, 2015 9:45pm
Redbaiter

Grief you better take your pills and go to sleep.

Another big day tomorrow.

And we know what happens when you get all het up.
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January 5, 2015 9:47pm
ngatimozart

@Reid. Re your 5:54 re F35 gun software. Ah I see what you are getting at. Well from what I understand about modern weapons systems and software integration is that it is highly complicated to say the least. One just has to look at the Royal Australian Navy SH2G(A) Seasprite naval helicopter project where they had something like a AU$900 million budget blowout because the Navy was overly ambitious in what it wanted the helicopter to do. The big problem that the RAN had was the software and getting said software to hover the helicopter just above the water amongst other things. It didn’t work. The software was a bespoke autopilot auto hovering software and when the aircraft was put into autopilot it proved to be quite dangerous. So in the end they canned the project blaming Kaman and we now have got 10 Seasprites in basically new condition without that Aussie autopilot system and at about 80% discount. I also note that the Australian Army are having issues with software integration and their Airbus Helicopters Tiger Armed Reconnaissance Helicopter. Apparently it involves unique Australian Army software code.
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January 5, 2015 9:48pm
Griff

What I chuck the toys out of the cot and go flounce of to my own blog.
To arrive back here again as you have been banned in most other political blogs in NZ and your little effort due to your policy of not allowing any debate from any one who disagrees with your rhetoric your blog was only preaching to the deluded sycophantic cohort .
Then it was of twittering proggs hippie and other liberal right winger had laughed at you too much .
Only to arrive back here again.
…..
You still would be considerably ahead of the parrot for stays on the naughty step after a particularly vile bout of abusive behavior but for the amnesty’s we have had reddy.
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January 5, 2015 10:00pm
Manolo

The plot thickens: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2584309/Bill-Clinton-identified-lawsuit-against-former-friend-pedophile-Jeffrey-Epstein-regular-orgies-Caribbean-compound-former-president-visited-multiple-times.html
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