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Pete George

The Herald on Dotocm offering to voluntarily go to the US – ‘Pariah’ Dotcom prepares to quit NZ

He mustn’t like his chances of avoiding extradition.
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January 4, 2015 12:48pm
Griff

😆
Wasn’t griff @ 1200 Maggie I know you like to try but…
I used moisture as short hand for water vapor ie the amount of humidity in the atmosphere is a measurement of moisture content . Water vapor has increased by 5% due to warming atmosphere the theory and subsequent measurement of a positive feedback.

Pete – You are correct. I cannot find anything where the IPCC explicitly say the science is settled.

95% is as settled as science gets. baring the discovery of a so far totally unknown effect agw is a fact. The sun output earths orbit cosmic rays and other alternate theory’s have all been examined and they fail to provide a cause for the measured warming over the last sixty years. Splitting hairs over the details is a distraction from the realty soon or later we do something about co2 emissions or civilization collapses.

Red flogging the aspie thing still you are such a sad little wingnut matey.
I would be more worried about your politics than my Aspergers as you display the same nuttiness as both Timmy McVeigh and Anders Behring Breivik.
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January 4, 2015 12:51pm
calendar girl

2015 has started on KB with no let-up in the ad hominem abuse that is handed out regularly in some comments.

It does nothing for reasoned discussion and debate when commenters are permitted to be denigrated as “wing nuts” or “whackos”, or are dismissed in other similarly-abusive terms.
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January 4, 2015 12:51pm
Redbaiter

It does nothing for reasoned discussion and debate when commenters are permitted to be denigrated as “wing nuts” or “whackos”, or are dismissed in other similarly-abusive terms.

Especially when that person is flat out like a lizard drinking urging others to nark. And is probably a leading nark himself.
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January 4, 2015 12:53pm
Griff

calendar girl
what else do you call someone who is going to dodgy blogs and trying to dispute established science confirmed by every major scientific body in the world?
wingnut http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wingnut

Being a wingnut requires a particularly paranoid worldview, teetering on the edge of or falling wholesale into tinfoil hat territory, as wingnuttery causes the victim to refuse to accept any source of information that doesn’t back up their prejudices (essentially, wingnuts are almost always authoritarian as well as being politically right-wing). Constant gibbering about the “liberal media” as well as a slavish devotion to cognitive dissonance, conspiracy theories, global warming denialism, psychological projection, and crackpot theories of economics (i.e. Austrian school) are also, if not required, at the very least nearly universal symptoms. This is all usually accompanied by a side dish of a severe persecution complex.

Fits most of the nutters very closely
Wat is a libertarian who disputes science because of his political ideology yet he attacks other like reid for the same behaviors .
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January 4, 2015 12:59pm
deadrightkev

“PG

I take it that somebody over at Whale’s place has banned you?”

Anyone not banned at WO has to look deep within themselves.
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January 4, 2015 1:02pm
kowtow

Only poor oppressed Muslims engage in terror……..

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/features/2014/12/02/Egyptian-Hipster-ISIS-fighter-Islam-Yaken-killed-in-Kobane.html
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January 4, 2015 1:04pm
Redbaiter

Anyone not banned at WO has to look deep within themselves.

Good one Kev.

If you’re still commenting at Whaleoil, it probably means you’re a weak minded progressive sycophant.
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January 4, 2015 1:05pm
freemark

Well, since this place is referred to elsewhere as DPF’s Travel Blog..and further to relevant subjects..
Arrived home about 8 last night after:
1900km approx in the Swedish Aero sleeper (180 litres of nice cheap 91 Octane)
I saw probably 15 traffic police including cameras in vans
I saw no crashes or aftermaths or close calls – a few waiting to happen though.
I set cruise control to between 103/105 – my speedometer is 100% accurate according to GPS
I go like hell to overtake anyone that stops me from maintaining that safe speed – if a cop tries to ticket me for it I will shove it up his/her ass first, then down the throat..
The biggest problems are undoubtedly unskilled/ignorant/selfish road users who can’t keep up with the (low) limits, won’t pull over, speed up on passing lanes. And the ridiculously conservative and/or inconsistent speed warning signs for corners.
Our roads are generally in great shape..the progress on the Waikato Expressway(s) is awesome and it is no longer worthwhile or necessary to use SH27 to go between Auckland & Taupo.
My theory on the reduced speed tolerance is that by taking any discretion away from Police we reduce that terrible inequality of some people having safer, faster, more expensive cars and/or being better drivers than others. Probably better if we all drove Trabants…
Fuck there is a lot of feral trash in NZ. It can’t be poverty by the looks of the fat arses & bellies, or the $1000’s worth of tattoos, or the expensive junk food, or booze, or tailor-made ciggies, or the iPhones, or the pimped up rides. They look to be mainly unemployable, largely illiterate (bring on more Charter Schools & Teacher Performance Pay please). 9 years of a Labour Govt really almost fucked this country.
New places visited were – Pipiriki, great little old NZ spot. Ohakune Old Coach Road up to the Hapuawhenua Viaduct – a magic walk. Whangaehu Valley – one of 1000’s of lovely, happy, prosperous little places in out of the way NZ.
There is so much free stuff in NZ, a little effort & motivation reaps huge rewards.. but I think we need a new Political Party somewhere to the right of National – or JK & Co need a big message now for this term..
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January 4, 2015 1:07pm
lofty

I read the article where the German is having a little sook, trying now with the help of his Herald mates, to paint a picture of being morally and politically pure of heart.
Tough..don’t let the door hit your arse as you head down to the departure gate.
You fooled some, but most certainly not all kimmy.
You brought the mantle of pariah upon yourself, with the willing help of numerous opposition party haters and wreckers, who we all know.
It is certain that both flavours of Govt cocked up in allowing you residency in the first place, but there you go, time for the cock up to be resolved pal.
Interesting that his “estranged wife” who just happens to live in a house on the same property, will probably move to the U.S. also.
Interesting that he wants bail and all his confiscated cash.
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January 4, 2015 1:12pm
lofty

Jingos Red, that a tough call in regard to commenting in other blogs.
I comment there, here and elsewhere.
Now I am labeled for doing so as a weak minded progressive sycophant.
Gracious.
Ah well, I don’t mind being called names, so long as I am not called late for dinner.
Oh and a very happy new year to you and yours Red, I am looking forward to your comments this year, as I always do. (Is that sycophantic enough for you mate?)
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January 4, 2015 1:22pm
Redbaiter

Just a joke Lofty.

Meant to be a bit cutting to those who favour Whaleoil but not to be taken seriously.

(I don’t like using those atrocious smiley things, as I think if people cannot discern the humour in a statement without help, then the humour can’t be that good.)

I apologise if you were offended.

And a Happy New Year to you and yours as well. (Always enjoy your comments, whether I agree or disagree.)
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January 4, 2015 1:26pm
Fight Communism

Come on Stephie Boy stop avoiding the Question
try and explain that the Carnage in Russia was purely political
and not an
ethnic religious ideological war of Genocide that continues to this today.

Have you been down to Te Papa where they religiously venerate Maos Maorie Cloak?

Choice Eh?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10876945

All they need down there now is Adolphs undies? to go along side it?

look up the Code breaking before the battle of Midway?
that is why we are all still here?
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January 4, 2015 1:28pm
lofty

No worries Red, it would take a shed load more than that to offend me.
Most offence is actually taken by the weak minded in my opinion.
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January 4, 2015 1:29pm
waikatogirl

Freemark, I enjoy your posts! Well said.

I am a National supporter. Have always voted for them, but partly cause there has been very little alternative.

JK does need to take National by the horns and drag it to the right to fix some of the looming social concerns, ie, our huge growing welfare. Society is ready for the tap to be turned to slow down the drain on the taxpayer.

Love the new roading system. It has transformed driving around Hamilton 🙂
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January 4, 2015 1:34pm
Fletch

650 babies a year are being killed under the new euthanasia laws in Holland.

Just over a decade on from assisted dying being legalised in the Netherlands, as many as 1 in 33 Dutch people are thought to have died this way, including 650 babies a year, euthanized so that their parents don’t have to witness them struggle with disability or disease. The escalation in death by euthanasia over the last six years has led one Dutch ethicist, who had been in favour of the law when it was first passed, to warn “some slopes truly are slippery.”

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The scale of the deaths has led former supporters of the right to die to change their minds. One such person is the Dutch ethicist Theo Boer, who, in 2007, said “there doesn’t need to be a slippery slope when it comes to euthanasia. A good euthanasia law, in combination with the euthanasia review procedure, provides the warrants for a stable and relatively low number of euthanasia.”

However, earlier this year he admitted “Most of my colleagues drew the same conclusion. But we were wrong – terribly wrong, in fact.”

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/02/650-babies-euthanized-in-the-netherlands-each-year-under-right-to-die-law/
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January 4, 2015 1:36pm
wat dabney

Oh dear Griff,

“You said no net feed backs.
but
Moisture is a green house gas. Increase the temperature of air it holds more moisture increasing greenhouse effect. school boy physics wat”

Jesus H Christ but you are clueless.

I know you keep telling us you are retarded, and I try to make allowances. But still, that really is a stupid comment.

Perhaps you should find out what the word “net” means before you post anything else. Before you further humiliate yourself.

As explained, anyone can find examples of positive feedbacks; just as they can find examples of negative feedbacks.

The question is which ones prevail: what is the net feedback.

The computer models on which the alarmism is based are programmed with an alleged positive feedback. In reality there is absolutely no evidence for such an assumption. And indeed, the entire history of the Earth shows that negative feedbacks prevail (were that not the case then run-away warming would prevent temperatures ever declining.)
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January 4, 2015 1:36pm
Redbaiter

JK does need to take National by the horns and drag it to the right to fix some of the looming social concerns, ie, our huge growing welfare.

Are you aware he has persistently refused to do this?

“No way. It is just not going to happen”

His words as reported in a media interview when asked if he would change the National Party’s increasingly socialist position.

You can’t get what you say you want and support John Key at the same time, so you need to decide if you’re serious about change or just blowing smoke.
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January 4, 2015 1:38pm
wat dabney

“I cannot find anything where the IPCC explicitly say the science is settled. ”

Yet another example of the bankruptcy of the IPCC: at the same time as the temperature has increasingly failed to follow their alarmist predictions, so they have been claiming greater and greater certainty.

“As Temperatures Have Declined, The IPCC Has Gained Confidence In Catastrophic Warming”
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/09/28/as-temperatures-have-declined-the-ipcc-has-gained-confidence-in-catastrophic-warming/
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January 4, 2015 1:45pm
freemark

So realistically what is the best way to start sending some very strong messages to this Govt?
Without the anti-socialist message that has cost many of us over the last 3 years they wouldn’t be here…
Peaceful protests in the Street against the PC, Feminazi, Watermelon, Alarmist, Standardista minority?
Serious question…I have children and the threats to them are far greater from the above than AGW or “inequality”
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January 4, 2015 1:45pm
lofty

Red, it is a terrible conundrum we face each and every election in NZ.
the pros and cons of voting for the Nats, in the face of the abhorrent alternatives, have been debated to death here there and everywhere.
The fact remains that there is no viable alternative.
A steady as she goes approach is the safest but least satisfying to those of us want political reform.
Until a party and a charismatic leader steps up that will “appear” to fill that void, we are left with little or no alternatives.
Then my level of political satisfaction will be either lesser or greater than, say yours, or waikatogirl.
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January 4, 2015 1:48pm
lofty

Freemark, constant and consistent lobbying is the only way to persuade officials, short of bribery.
I am glad you said that there ar threats to our children and grandchildren above and beyond AGW etc.
Some very serious issues face us now, and it will take a very resolute govt to tackle them, assisted by a willing community to do so.
I won’t hold my breath.
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January 4, 2015 1:52pm
Redbaiter

I think you are wrong Lofty.

National are poison and they have to be changed.

They will not change if you keep voting for them.

This is why I supported the Conservative Party. Not for any of their specific policies but because it was about the most effective way of sending a message to National.

http://truebluenz.com/2013/06/02/on-rinos-cinos-linos-and-ninos/

Excerpt-

So in closing I can summarise all of the above with a piece from an excellent post on the Bogpaper blog defending the UK Independence Party against its many attackers in the Conservatives and Labour.

“the UKIP’s value is as an agent of change. It doesn’t matter if they lack what it takes to form a government. What matters is that they give a platform to ideas that challenge the sclerotic liberal orthodoxy around which the major parties and their media cheerleaders are huddled. To my mind, anything that breaks this ideological death-grip is worth supporting.”

I think the above paragraph hits the nail right on the head. I have made this point so many times here but it constantly falls on deaf ears.

National will not change as long as you keep voting for them. Or to be more accurate, they will change, but it will only be to move further and further left, as they have been doing for decades.

It is no good only slowing the socialist train. It has to be stopped.
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January 4, 2015 1:55pm
waikatogirl

Yes Reddy, I am aware, and I get frustrated along with all the National voters I know.

We are sick of paying large amounts of tax and struggling because we pay for others to sit on their arses. Time for those who make bad decisions in their lives to take responsibility for their actions like the rest of us do.

What Legitimate alternative is there??????? Act didn’t last the distance…
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January 4, 2015 1:56pm
lofty

I cannot and will not argue with your stance Red, and mostly I agree with it.

Perhaps it the pure fear of the damage that will be done to our country both fiscally and equally importantly, to our society, that precludes my minds ability to comprehend allowing the hydra, even a sniff of being able to implement their innocuous but wreaking policies.
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January 4, 2015 2:00pm
Shawn Herles

JK does need to take National by the horns and drag it to the right to fix some of the looming social concerns, ie, our huge growing welfare.

He already is waikatogirl.

https://www.national.org.nz/policies/welfare-reform

And the Left is in a huff over National’s proposals, suggesting the Nat’s are on the right track:

http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/national-welfare-reform-plan-sparks-criticism-4351499

One proposal not on National’s agenda that I would like to see is a return to some form of compulsory national service. But I’m not aware of any party (pos NZF?) promoting that.
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January 4, 2015 2:04pm
Redbaiter

All smoke and mirrors.

All govt budgets are increasing not decreasing.

Key has said he will not do it and he means it. He is a socialist at heart, which is why we are still spending on welfare programs that will in the end bankrupt this country and are already having a serious choking effect on any real economy.

Taxes have to be lowered and government expenditure cut. If Key won’t do it then he has to go.
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January 4, 2015 2:07pm
freemark

Red, I think a part of the issue is that a) the Conservatives are not the solution by name & nature & b) white-anting of the only realistic (semi) bastion against the self titled progressive/liberal/watermelon Parties by you & others is not only self defeating, but destructive to those of us who want to work for change with balance.
OwnedPublicBitch has outed me here, I can’t complain as I outed one or two..but there have been repercussions previously from within the lefty public service and I have to eat.
I’m neither conservative, racist, sexist, miswhateverthefucktheycallit or a rich prick..but I’m thinking that any of us who have the ability or motivation to fight back against the Left need to.
We have an incredibly popular & smart PM, we have some great people within the Govt, we have obviously many voters who know what they don’t want..but we have a dangerous & noisy opposition of ignorant people who have been promised a handout & bombarded by bullshit – holding everyone back.
I’m fucking over it…
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January 4, 2015 2:17pm
Redbaiter

I think you missed the point Freemark.

Let me repeat. Nothing else matters other than that National are sent the message and there was a great opportunity to do that by voting Conservative. It would not have caused Nats to lose but it would have sent them the message.

I repeat the paragraph as its meaning seems to have washed over you. With one small change so as perhaps to make that message more apparent.

“the ~~UKIP’s~~ Conservative Party’s value is as an agent of change. It doesn’t matter if they lack what it takes to form a government. What matters is that they give a platform to ideas that challenge the sclerotic liberal orthodoxy around which the major parties and their media cheerleaders are huddled. To my mind, anything that breaks this ideological death-grip is worth supporting.”
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January 4, 2015 2:24pm
freemark

Yeah, my comments take a while to finish & I miss a few while I’m doing it.
I don’t miss the general point though – I get it.
There are however many who will take your comments as being the voice of “the Conservatives” & to put it mildly you are about as subtle and moderate as an old Train.
The reason we are not more fucked is that a moderate message was given to the Electorate.. encouragement & support is the only way to push the Nats in the right direction..we all know the issues, some of the solutions.
I was thinking the other day that we should have a national referendum this year, on a few issues more than the Flag.
What would the questions be? 10 of them, say….
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January 4, 2015 2:35pm
Redbaiter

Anyway, that opportunity has gone now. I did what I could to advocate this course of action, and we failed by a few thousand votes , BUT AT LEAST WE FUCKING WELL TRIED AND DIDN’T JUST COME ON HERE EVERY DAY AND BLEAT ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING BUT THEN VOTE FOR ONE OF THE FUCKING PARTIES THAT ARE BEHIND IT.

Slater conducted a vicious campaign to discredit the Conservative Party.

The real reason I am banned from Whaleoil is not that I called him an arsehole, but that I am far too effective an advocate against progressivism as favoured by Slater and as enacted by both National and Labour. Its why he also conducted a cowardly smear campaign against me.

Why you think he has any repute is beyond me, when he admits he’s capable of any dirty trick he thinks necessary. Given that admission, he is no better than the lowest lowlife leftist on here or out there anywhere.

He tricks his readers constantly, as he did by suppressing bad news about NZ First until after the election in case it drew a few more votes to the Conservatives. Just one example of his deceit. He plays his followers for suckers. (and maybe he is right)

You follow Cam Slater you’re following a charlatan who is just another of the same old unprincipled garden variety power hungry elitist progressives that have been fucking this country for decades.
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January 4, 2015 2:38pm
Griff

Let me repeat. Nothing else matters other than that National are sent the message and there was a great opportunity to do that by voting Conservative.

Supporting a party who had one major economic policy.
State control of productive assets .
good message there redbait.
for a prog commie socialist.

anyone to the right would have voted ACT the only viable right wing party in nz
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January 4, 2015 2:45pm
Redbaiter

For those who advocate change in NZ, what do you think of what the incoming Liberal Govt did in British Columbia in 2002-

Black Thursday they called it. Government workers from around the province of British Columbia adorned black clothing and arm bands to protest the Liberal government’s slashing of over eleven thousand civil service positions province wide this last week. Some ministries, such as the Department of Highways, have been gutted – losing up to as much as 60% of their staff. Complete office complexes have been abandoned and “redundant” facilities such as jails and court houses have been shut down – permanently.

Gordon Campbell and the his “Liberal” government swept to power last year (winning 77 of a possible 79 seats in the BC Legislature) on a mandate to set British Columbia back on the road to prosperity. Prosperity, as the Liberals promised, would be built on a platform dedicated to freeing the private sector from crushing taxes and burdensome regulation. Indeed, this last move by the Liberals to help cut 1.9 billion dollars from the budget by 2004 is just one thing in a list of many that has some wondering if the Liberals are actually Libertarians in disguise.

Campbell has even promised to withhold 20% of the salaries of both cabinet ministers and ministers of state until they are able to meet budget and service targets. This may be the first time in history a politician is actually forced to earn his salary!

Indeed, it is rare to see any government – especially in this day and age – taking a step back from the slippery slope. Not only have the Liberals adopted a policy of fiscal responsibility by introducing massive tax cuts (25% on personal income tax alone), reducing the civil service by about a third and reforming and reducing welfare but they’ve also made strides in increasing a degree of social and political freedom as well.

Just around Christmas of 2001 the Provincial government served their Federal Liberal counterparts with notice that the province of BC would no longer continue to administer nor enforce federal firearms laws. The registration centre established by the former “Socialist” New Democratic Party in Victoria is slated to be shut down by about April 1st of this year. From there on the feds will have to deal with this dirty little mess on their own. And with hundreds of thousands and possibly millions of Canadians already in violation of the licensing requirements the future for this hideous law looks grim.

« This recent move to reduce public “waste” by the government of BC is a clear indication that the welfare state is coming to a crashing halt north of the border. »

Add to that the elimination of photo radar, the return of the Grizzly bear hunting season which the NDP axed in the wake of European pressure (the season creates overall revenue in the millions of dollars for rural British Columbians) and a willingness to thumb their noses at powerful special interests and you have a recipe for something bordering on a quiet, clean and tidy little revolution.

In fact, it’s not just civil servants who were in for a shock last week. Welfare recipients in the Province of BC got a sudden wake up call as well. On top of closing 36 welfare offices across the province the new government has also come up with much more stringent “welfare requirements” to get people off the dole and back to work. In all, the BC government sent notice to some 60 000 welfare recipients informing them that they were “employable” and were expected to start looking for work – soon – before the tap gets shut off for good.

On top of all that the government has shut down twenty legal aid offices, twelve district forest offices, ten highways offices, eight correctional facilities, five probation offices, five energy offices, two residential tenancy offices, two coroner’s offices and one medical services plan office. Inmates in correctional facilities will be expected to double up to account for the cell shortage. Whole forestry departments have been shut down and relocated.

And of course all of this has the statists among us (and they’re still here) ranting and raving. In a “My BC” interview, New Democrat Jenny Kwan (one of only two elected to the Legislature) complained: “It’s almost unbelievable, but Gordon Campbell has eliminated the ministries of Environment, Aboriginal Affairs and Women’s Equality, and there is no mention at all of housing.”

Of course not, silly! Welfare is being eliminated from our society.

This recent move to reduce public “waste” by the government of BC is a clear indication that the welfare state is coming to a crashing halt north of the border. If the Liberals have their way, by 2004, we will be 2 billion dollars closer to a balanced budget with greater economic, political and social freedom for all British Columbians. Indeed, we will be one step closer to shedding the idea that man should live in servitude to his brothers.

That means for all the delinquents out there who can’t do anything but push papers and play solitaire in their cubicles, it’s time to wake up, smell the coffee and get a real job. Because the free ride is over buddy and we – the producers of this society – don’t feel the least bit sorry for you.

Black Thursday my ass! They should have called it “Freedom Day.”
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January 4, 2015 2:47pm
freemark

Who is “following’ Cam Slater?
Like many here, I suspect, I peruse the 3 biggest blogs on a daily basis.
WhaleOil has the balls to expose the MSM & take some heat – we now know some of the backers, we know what he is passionate about personally. Like him or not, he’s a vital part of the anti-watermelon message.
Everyone with half a brain knows who is on The Stranded & who pays for that shit, and who from there is here.. unsurprisingly PublicBitch seems uninterested in the pseudonyms of her fellow travellers over there….
Many of us know the problems..so let’s work on realistic solutions.
I’m all in…
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January 4, 2015 2:52pm
Redbaiter

anyone to the right would have voted ACT the only viable right wing party in nz

ACT are not right wing. They are National Poodles. Otherwise it is unlikely they would have won Epsom. Just puppets pretending to be something they are not. With zero real support as clearly demonstrated by the minuscule number of NZers who voted for them.

Grief, I wish you would go somewhere where you can understand what is written. There must be an under five’s chatroom or something you can participate in, instead of coming on here with constant failure to comprehend, constant misrepresentation, and constant befuddlement concerning the real issues.
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January 4, 2015 2:52pm
Redbaiter

Waikato-

What Legitimate alternative is there??????? Act didn’t last the distance…

The only real alternative is to change the National Party. Change the political culture there and in the rest of NZ. That is what I work to do.
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January 4, 2015 2:55pm
Shawn Herles

…and a happy New Year! 🙂

ISIS hit with nearly 30 coalition airstrikes at end of 2014

The U.S.-led coalition against the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria conducted nearly 30 airstrikes against the extremist group to close out 2014, the U.S. military said Thursday.

The latest airstrikes were carried out on New Year’s Eve in Iraq and Syria, the Combined Joint Task Force said in a statement.

In Syria, the coalition conducted 17 airstrikes, destroying two of ISIS’ tactical units and 12 of its buildings in Kobani, five checkpoints in Raqqa and a fighting position in Deir el-Zour, the task force said.

In Iraq, 12 airstrikes destroyed five of ISIS’ tactical units and six of its buildings in Mosul and additional tactical units in Fallujah, Sinjar and Taji, the task force said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/isis-hit-with-nearly-30-coalition-airstrikes-at-end-of-2014/
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January 4, 2015 2:56pm
Redbaiter

WhaleOil has the balls to expose the MSM & take some heat

Yes, I can give him credit for that, but I cannot endorse him for the simple reason he displays exactly the lack of regard for principle that they do. He is a Progressive. Just like the Mainstream Media fake journalists he says he hates are.
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January 4, 2015 2:59pm
Griff

The only real alternative is to change the National Party. Change the political culture there and in the rest of NZ. That is what I work to do.
RROFL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w1g-idt-8U
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January 4, 2015 3:00pm
waikatogirl

Thanks for those links Griff. We all heard JK say state those reforms during the election campaign. Now National is in its 3rd term we hope to see them finally brought in. Time they proved what they say.

JK is right, it is not all about attacking those on the benefit, but caring what happens to them. Get them earning their own money in work. Paula Bennett made a good start, and nobody could say she didn’t appreciate how hard it is for some. It is time to take the bull by the horns and implement reforms. Society is ready for it!

We will get the apologists such as Sue Bradford and Jacinder Adern, but that is their job to jump and down. They should be encouraging independence, not advocating beneficiaries stay living off taxpayers.
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January 4, 2015 3:19pm
Redbaiter

You do realise that expenditure on out of work people is very little compared with interest on debt, health, education and the budgets of a hundred silly govt depts that nobody wants?
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January 4, 2015 3:21pm
wiseowl

I found it pretty frustrating leading up to the election trying to convince people to vote CP for the reasons you say Red.
So many National Party supporters I knew did not want the socialist/ progressive path but could not see how important it was to get the message through.
They were also swayed by fear over Gweens and Hagar so felt it was best to go with the devil.
As you say Key will not change and his lack of action over treaty issues and support for race based policies is unacceptable.
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January 4, 2015 3:39pm
Redbaiter

They were also swayed by fear over Gweens and Hagar so felt it was best to go with the devil.

Yes, I think you are right there Owl.

Hagar and his commie mates really damaged the chances for all of the minor parties given their actions drove the sympathy and fear vote to the Nats.
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January 4, 2015 3:45pm
mikenmild

It could just be though that the overwhelming majority of New Zealanders are generally comfortable with the core Labour/National consensus over key items of policy.
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January 4, 2015 3:48pm
Longknives

I think Mark Reason is simply once again providing a ‘Voice of Reason’ (See what I did there?) as opposed to the rest of New Zealand’s rather over-excitable sports media.
McCullum is having one hell of a Season- But calling him the best batsman in the World? Comparisons with Bradman?? Sometimes they need a reality check…(His Test average isn’t even 40 yet!)
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January 4, 2015 3:54pm
stephieboy

Fight Communism at 1.38pm, one thing is for sure 97% of Bolsheviks weren’t Jews and I would say that largely Stalin’s Purges and Holdomor against the Ukrainians etc was largely political and ideological.

“look up the Code breaking before the battle of Midway?
that is why we are all still here?”

Only partially true. The lions share of the US war effort went into Europe and am sure they were mighty appreciative of the work of Benchley Park.

The Japs had no real show against a carrier fleet of this size,

http://www.ww2pacific.com/carriers.html
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January 4, 2015 4:13pm
Griff

Colon crag killed his own chance though poorly thought out policy’s and a wingnut streak of real depth and breadth
Moon landings hoax and god bothering will never sell to voters
Signaling a bottom line that was unpalatable to national of no more asset sales and binding referendum meant they were not going to be in government even if enough deluded twats did vote for them.
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January 4, 2015 4:13pm
stephieboy

Redbaiter, still bitter and twisted after 20/09/ 2014 ?
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January 4, 2015 4:20pm
publicwatchdog

How ‘scientific’ is it to state ‘the science is settled’ on ANY matter?

Including the fluoridation of public drinking water supplies?

Seriously?

Penny Bright
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January 4, 2015 4:26pm
stephieboy

publicwatchdog, well sure as eggs the science is far more settled in its favour than the quackery in support of it.

http://sciblogs.co.nz/open-parachute/tag/peter-gluckman/
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January 4, 2015 4:30pm
OneTrack

“It could just be though that the overwhelming majority of New Zealanders are generally comfortable with the core Labour/National consensus over key items of policy.”

It is good that you are so happy with National mike. Unfortunately, that probably tends to help confirm Red’s point.
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January 4, 2015 4:39pm
lofty

To a small degree I can agree with that Penny.
Science is by its nature an evolving investigation, but we are obliged to go with the science of the day, which in the main benefits mankind.
If we didn’t we would never progress at all.
Sure things will change as the investigation and knowledge evolves from present information.
That is the nature of the beast.
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January 4, 2015 4:40pm
lofty

Griff…Colon?
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January 4, 2015 4:43pm
wat dabney

Fuck me. Penny says something which isn’t corrupt or stupid.

I couldn’t be more suprised if she paid her rates.
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January 4, 2015 4:45pm
Griff

Colon crag
arse a steep rugged rock or cliff
hemorrhoids
I think its funny you dont have to
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January 4, 2015 4:46pm
lofty

No I don’t Griff, correct.
But I get you.
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January 4, 2015 4:48pm
waikatogirl

freemark: We have an incredibly popular & smart PM, we have some great people within the Govt, we have obviously many voters who know what they don’t want..but we have a dangerous & noisy opposition of ignorant people who have been promised a handout & bombarded by bullshit – holding everyone back.

***
I think what scares the left about JK is his total difference from any other PM we have seen. He came to power and instead of carrying on like all the past PM’s and politicking his arse off, he turned it on its head. Instead of telling the Maori Party they will “be the last cab off the rank” as Hulun did, Key invited them inside the tenth.

What will he do next they quake ! The left are scared of a National PM that has not only moved to the centre, he is making the lefts’ solid base question their reliance and loyalty on their own leaders’, the L Pardy. And the protesters don’t have much to protest about, putting people in work is difficult to fault.
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January 4, 2015 4:51pm
Griff

Still here watty going to discus why you think an anonymous blog is more reliable than the royal society of science or NASA when it comes to science ?
or you just going to copy and paste more dribble from Tony Hella
You do know Steve Goddard (Tony Hella )got the boot from WUWT after his snowing co2 in the antarctic loony dont you ?
To loony fringe for even WUWT you have to laugh
http://tamino.wordpress.com/2010/05/10/goddards-folly/
http://climatecrocks.com/2011/09/14/new-lows-sea-ice-and-steven-goddard-credibility/comment-page-6/
http://rhinohide.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/goddard-misgisstimation/
😆
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January 4, 2015 4:56pm
kowtow

stephieboy went to the movies yesterday ,so he tells us at 932, and now he’s an expert on Turing,code breaking and as stephie has twice posted today ” Benchley Park”.

There’s a danger in becoming an overnight expert having watched a movie……..

……it’s not “Benchley” Park it’s BLETCHLEY.
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January 4, 2015 5:55pm
Reid

The left are scared of a National PM that has not only moved to the centre, he is making the lefts’ solid base question their reliance and loyalty on their own leaders

Yeah but when does the centre know anything whatsoever about what is right for the country?

I mean the centre thinks there’s lots of child poverty, the centre thinks AGW is almost certainly true, the centre thinks we shouldn’t sell even the slightest state assets, the centre falls for lefty memes all the time, and on and on and on and on and on.

And this is what Key has dangled under the noses of conservatives. And many to most conservatives, being idiots, have traded all the things they believe in away, for the sake or remaining popular with “the centre.”

See what Hulun did was she bodily picked up the entire NZ electorate and moved it quite a few degrees South. Sure, she used execrable tactics to do it, but what we’ve got now as “the centre” in NZ when Key took over is nowhere near the centre in other countries like Australia, Canada, UK or the US.

Prebble once said he got into politics because it’s hard. And what he meant was, it’s damn hard to sell people on something you know is right but which people don’t yet know that. That is damn hard. But Key hasn’t done anything like that, at all. All Key has done is run simple polls to find out what people think on a given issue, and run down the middle line on that. He got Parata to back off on class sizes because DPF ran a poll and while he was in London he called Parata and told her to back off. Parata’s original position was the correct thing to do, but it wasn’t popular, so he backed off. That’s not leadership, that’s betrayal.
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January 4, 2015 5:56pm
stephieboy

kowtow, I stand corrected .

“Bletchley Park .”

Thank you.!

Other than that any problems with the work of Alan Turing other than a possible Jewish or Communist plot.???
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January 4, 2015 6:01pm
Redbaiter

Great idea for getting through a Police Roadblock in the US.

Don’t try it here though, in the Cuba of the South Pacific.

http://www.surenews.com/controversial/the-absolute-most-incredible-way-to-go-through-a-police-checkpoint/
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January 4, 2015 6:03pm
stephieboy

Redbaiter, make our day and give it a go.

It could help your obvious issue with paranoia.
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January 4, 2015 6:06pm
Griff

Red could try it in his zimmer frame.
Oh wait no windows No engine just a stumbling old fart.
Can you get done for dic of a Zimmer frame red ?
have you run the toll road in it yet?
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January 4, 2015 6:16pm
Reid

stephie there’s a very good youtube doco on the Bletchley Park people who broke the German High Command code. Turing did other things but he wasn’t working on that. And that was the code that had the highest strategic value. This link should give you enough keywords to find the doco – try “youtube tunney” for example.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/27/bletchley-codebreaker-raymond-roberts-dies
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January 4, 2015 6:21pm
stephieboy

Reid, nevertheless Raymond Robert’s made this comment at the conclusion from your link,

“It was a war where we knew comprehensively what the other side were doing, and that was thanks to Alan Turing, who basically saved the country by breaking Enigma in 1941,” he said.

But all in all it was a Team effort and Turing’s big contribution has to be the ” Bombe” that made the the enigma encrypting physically possible.
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January 4, 2015 6:35pm
Reid

Sigh:

Once the system was cracked, the codes were initially broken by hand but later basic computers called Robinsons were used and then the Colossus computer.

He created the Colossus, not Turing, stephie. Colossus was the first electronic computer, not the bombe.

This is the movie.

http://vimeo.com/31185786

Fuck you’re tiresome in your childish ignorance and arrogance. Just because you learned about Turing 24 hours ago doesn’t mean some of the rest of us haven’t known about him for decades and gone far beyond him.
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January 4, 2015 6:48pm
kowtow

“Other than that any problems with the work of Alan Turing other than a possible Jewish or Communist plot.???”

What the hell kind of question is that?
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January 4, 2015 6:57pm
kowtow

One of the reasons Turing was kicked out of Bletchley Park ,and being indispensible to the secret service, he was transferred to Hanslope Park was because “there was a suspicion that he might have been the man responsible for molesting schoolboys at the main public library in Luton,…..not far from Bletchley”
Page 540 ,Chapter 8, ‘C’ by Anthony Cave Brown.
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January 4, 2015 7:06pm
Manolo

@stephanie: Your ignorance is bordering on the ridiculous. Read more and educate yourself.
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January 4, 2015 7:09pm
stephieboy

Reid , sorry your wrong ,

Sigh …!

Turing’s machine that helped decode Enigma was the mechanical Bombe, not the electronic Colossus. Colossus came later under the auspices of Thomas Flower . Bombe’s claim to fame was to be able to decipher the Enigma Naval Codes which ensured victory by the Allies in the Atlantic.

Churchill always regard the U boat threat as his biggest concern of the entire war.

http://www.colossus-computer.com/colossus1.html#sdfootnote96sym

kowtow, you obviously have nothing to contribute other than a possible and apparent unhealthy interest with certain allegations made against Turing and not depicted in the film .
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January 4, 2015 7:22pm
freemark

waikatogirl (1,051 comments) says:
January 4th, 2015 at 1:34 pm
Freemark, I enjoy your posts! Well said.

Thanks waikatogirl
Likewise..Happy NY to ya too…
🙂
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January 4, 2015 7:26pm
Fletch

Again the new version of the movie Annie. The new version has a little black girl instead of the classic white, red-haired girl, and the chain store Target, who are running a promotion based on the movie, has pissed off liberals. Why? Because some of their advertising material has white girls on it, or not enough black girls (one of the posters has 1 black girl and two white girls).

That is enough to piss off liberals and get them to start an angry petition on change.org, complaining about “diversity” and “racism” blah, blah, blah…

https://www.change.org/p/target-remove-the-target-annie-in-store-ads-if-you-cannot-show-better-diversity-in-all-of-your-stores

Original story –

http://moonbattery.com/?p=53912

Really liberals? Just because the posters Target are using, trying to use the film to sell clothing, don’t feature enough black girls? Who is racist now?
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January 4, 2015 7:31pm
Reid

Turing’s machine that helped decode Enigma was the mechanical Bombe, not the electronic Colossus.

Yes I know that stephie.

Bombe’s claim to fame was to be able to decipher the Enigma Naval Codes which ensured victory by the Allies in the Atlantic.

Yes I also know that stephie.

Churchill always regard the U boat threat as his biggest concern of the entire war.

Yes I know that too stephie.

But newsflash fool: THE GERMAN HIGH COMMAND TRAFFIC GIVES YOU ORDER OF BATTLE, UPCOMING ATTACKS, CASUALTY AND EQUIPMENT DAMAGE FIGURES FROM RAIDS, RESUPPLY SCHEDULES AND ROUTES AND MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE. AND GIVEN, DUH, THAT WWII WAS MOSTLY FOUGHT ON LAND, THIS IS WHY, FUCKING D’OH, THE LORENZ DECODE WAS MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE VALUABLE THAN THE WORK THAT TURING DID. WHY DON’T YOU WATCH THE VIDEO I GAVE YOU AND LEARN SOMETHING YOU IDIOT. AND COLOSSUS IS REPEAT IS THE FIRST ELECTRONIC COMPUTER. END OF STORY. YOU’RE QUITE THE MORON STEPHIE, HARD TO BELIEVE PERHAPS BUT YOU BEAT PHILU HANDS DOWN.

The end.
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January 4, 2015 7:35pm
Manolo

Ure has the excuse of an impaired brain because of too much pot, stephieboy can only attribute his illiteracy to Helen Clark’s education system. A prime example of supine ignorance.
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January 4, 2015 7:45pm
Fletch

Not sure I’ll see the Turing movie, what with all the liberties they took with it.

I read the masterful biography that the screenplay is based on, Andrew Hodges’ Alan Turing: The Enigma, to find out. I discovered that The Imitation Game takes major liberties with its source material, injecting conflict where none existed, inventing entirely fictional characters, rearranging the chronology of events, and misrepresenting the very nature of Turing’s work at Bletchley Park. At the same time, the film might paint Turing as being more unlovable than he actually was.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat/2014/12/03/the_imitation_game_fact_vs_fiction_how_true_the_new_movie_is_to_alan_turing.html

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2014/nov/20/the-imitation-game-invents-new-slander-to-insult-alan-turing-reel-history

I don’t like my bio films messed with too much.
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January 4, 2015 7:54pm
mikenmild

I think that if you expect historical or biographical films to conform to your expectations of what ‘real’ history should be you are sure to be disappointed. The main criteria for a film is to tell an interesting and entertaining story. This approach has affected documentaries as well, which more and more seem to feature re-enactments. It is unlikely that anyone conversant with the background events on which films are based would ever find them satisfying as historical record, for that one should be prepared to consult multiple sources.
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January 4, 2015 8:05pm
Redbaiter

I watched a movie called “God’s Not Dead” last night.

Quite an interesting effort, and the idea is to alert Christians suffering bias from atheist professors that they can take action against this prejudice.

Not a great movie, but passable. I think the smug arrogant nature of your average atheist was well portrayed.
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January 4, 2015 8:18pm
Griff

its called reading MM works wonders if you can cope .
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January 4, 2015 8:26pm
stephieboy

Reid, gee its getting rather like you idiotic claim that 97% of Jews were Bolsheviks including Stalin. Your cap lock is out of control. Calm down and don’t forget your 50omm Diazepam, before beddie byes .

Lets get it straight.

Alan Turing and his team were responsible for first deciphering enigma and especially the all important German Naval Codes He did this with his electro mechanical computer the Bombe. This lay the crucial groundwork that saw in 1943 the development of Colossus under the direction of Thomas Flower.

I take it Raymond Robert got it all wrong when he stated and I repeat, from your link,

“It was a war where we knew comprehensively what the other side were doing, and that was thanks to Alan Turing, who basically saved the country by breaking Enigma in 1941,”

Fletch , The Imitation Game possibly does take liberties . But no more or no less than say Brave Heart or for that matter Shakespeare’s Richard III’ The film is careful to state near the opening ” Based on a true Story. “It doesn’t pretend to be a documentary .
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January 4, 2015 9:19pm
wat dabney

I watched a movie called “Santa’s Not Dead” last night.

Red would love it.
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January 4, 2015 9:37pm
Reid

stephie congratulations. That’s the first post you’ve ever made where you’re sounding like a young adult.

Well done.

Seriously.

I even upticked it.
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January 4, 2015 9:47pm
Left Right and Centre

yes shock horror Micky, here in the private sector, we do sometimes have to work on a sunday!!

At Farm Fresh Ltd – they were busy packing eggs on Jan 1. (They were on eggs and a half – packing and sucking).

While driving to work I came across bloody cyclists hogging the road.

Yeah – and a few motorists try to fuck me over on a pushbike too – there’s good and bad with all classes of roaduser.

Fuck there is a lot of feral trash in NZ. It can’t be poverty by the looks of the fat arses & bellies, or the $1000’s worth of tattoos, or the expensive junk food, or booze, or tailor-made ciggies, or the iPhones, or the pimped up rides. They look to be mainly unemployable, largely illiterate

Looks like something I’d type. There’s different classes of tattoos as well. Some look better than others. Took me a while to realise – it’s not even so much tattoos – some of them are actually sort of ok – it’s the braindead groiking gritcher schlipschlank swastwaptch who chooses the dumbest shit imaginable to ink their skin with. As if anyone else needed a deadset shortcut red flag giveaway as to what kind of twerking twirl-a-whurl trailer trash turkey twerps on turps they are. Faded green ink of cheap shitty work is such a turn-on.

A riff about a griff . . .

Who knows what’s going on with people posting under internet names and it’s all just words on a screen ? I’d have no idea – oh – you smoke weed – you’re an aspie. What am I going to do ? Run software that checks for clues that it’s statistically significant that these are likely the words of someone screaming the truth ? Who really knows, yeah ? I’m typing one-handed. I’m a bloke. I’m a sheila. I’m an Aussie. I like to eat flies dipped in honey. I have a spare room with a boxed Barbie collection. If I wasn’t told about the weed and the aspie thing – would I suspect either one ? Probably not. Does it matter ?
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