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James Stephenson

So what’s a squirrel doing in the photo, then?

Waiting for a nut with a picture of the Virgin Mary inside?

Honestly, it’s a fascinating thing the way the human brain tries to see familiar patterns in random places, but it’s a short cut to looking like an idiot too…
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January 28, 2015 12:32pm
Shawn Herles

So what’s a squirrel doing in the photo, then?

It’s very obviously a rock. It’s the same color as the other rocks.

Care to explain what your imaginary squirrel would be breathing?

My God your gullible.

But thank you for giving us a wonderful example of why nothing you say can be trusted. If you think there are squirrels on Mars, then you obviously do not have the intelligence to pontificate on 911 or any other subject.
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January 28, 2015 12:32pm
Kimbo

@ UglyTruth

No. There is no breathable air or drinkable fresh water on Mars. Squirrels need air to breath and plenty of water to drink.

So what’s a squirrel doing in the photo, then?

Is it just me, or is that logic similar to the guy who explained that he always wore a diving mask and snorkel “to ward of attacks by elephants”, and on being told there were no elephants in these parts replied triumphantly, “See! It works, doesn’t it!”?
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January 28, 2015 12:36pm
Weihana

UglyTruth (4,679 comments) says:
January 28th, 2015 at 12:20 pm

You mean like when the AGW crew falsify the data?

So those who are organizing this alleged conspiracy are also the ones who provide the data on publically available websites which you allege prove their nefarious activities? What’s next: Cigarette Smoking Guy blogs about the Roswell aliens he keeps at Area 51? Spooky Mulder used to chase trains down desert roads in the middle of the night and break into top secret beehives with helicopters buzzing overhead. Nowadays conspiracies can be revealed from the comfort of one’s armchair. Isn’t technology great!
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January 28, 2015 12:37pm
SGA

“No. There is no breathable air or drinkable fresh water on Mars. Squirrels need air to breath and plenty of water to drink.”
So what’s a squirrel doing in the photo, then?

Just in case there is any confusion – the “squirrel” is supposedly evidence that the rover isn’t actually on Mars, I think.
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January 28, 2015 12:39pm
Shawn Herles

Just in case there is any confusion – the “squirrel” is supposedly evidence that the rover isn’t actually on Mars, I think.

I think UT actually believes there is, or might be.

But if your right, then that is just as crazy. A supposed govt conspiracy and nobody notices a squirrel in plain sight?

Lunacy either way.
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January 28, 2015 12:44pm
UglyTruth

It’s very obviously a rock. It’s the same color as the other rocks.

Rocks don’t have eyes, fur, or carry their tails on their backs.

Care to explain what your imaginary squirrel would be breathing?

Earth air, same as the technician.
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January 28, 2015 12:46pm
Kimbo

@ SGA

Just in case there is any confusion – the “squirrel” is supposedly evidence that the rover isn’t actually on Mars, I think.

So this supposed movie

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capricorn_One

“At an unspecified time, Capricorn One—the…mission to Mars—is on the launch pad. Such NASA authorities as Dr. James Kelloway (Hal Holbrook) realize, too late, that a faulty…As the…space program needs a success to continue, they find themselves forced to falsify the landing rather than cancel the mission.”

So the sinister cabal that has been staging fake missions to Mars for some 40 years odd years (I seem to remember we followed the Viking missions when I was in school back in 1976) is so successful that they can essentially keep that a secret from millions for all that time…but they are too dumb to air-brush out a squirrel that wanders into the shot presumably located in Area 51 in the Nevada Desert.
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January 28, 2015 12:47pm
Griff

😆

The same will happen here as those in denial of the scientific evidence for agw lose creditability leaving only the fringe loons wittering about global conspiracy.

Do you understand ugly ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i3UJDd_spU&x-yt-cl=84838260&x-yt-ts=1422327029&feature=player_embedded
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January 28, 2015 12:47pm
SGA

Shawn Herles at 12:44 pm

A supposed govt conspiracy and nobody notices a squirrel in plain sight?

Well, you know, budget cuts and people like Peter Jackson, George Lucas, and Steven Speilberg can pay the good people more …
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January 28, 2015 12:48pm
RichardX

SGA (1,495 comments) says:
January 28th, 2015 at 12:39 pm

“No. There is no breathable air or drinkable fresh water on Mars. Squirrels need air to breath and plenty of water to drink.”
So what’s a squirrel doing in the photo, then?

Just in case there is any confusion – the “squirrel” is supposedly evidence that the rover isn’t actually on Mars, I think.

But if the Rover isn’t on Mars, why is the technician servicing the Rover in Ugly’s other link wearing a space suit?
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January 28, 2015 12:49pm
Kimbo

@UglyTruth

Rocks don’t have eyes, fur, or carry their tails on their backs.

I call ‘bullshit’!

What if the military industrial complex was producing rocks that LOOKED like squirrels?
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January 28, 2015 12:50pm
SGA

RichardX at 12:49 pm

But if the Rover isn’t on Mars, why is the technician servicing the Rover in Ugly’s other link wearing a space suit?

You went to UT’s other link as well?
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January 28, 2015 12:51pm
Ashley Schaeffer

Who told the technician that he could start keeping squirrels?
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January 28, 2015 12:51pm
Kimbo

BTW, speaking on conspiracies, did anyone notice that Capricorn One starred…O. J. Simpson?

It must mean something!
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January 28, 2015 12:53pm
RichardX

SGA (1,497 comments) says:
January 28th, 2015 at 12:51 pm
You went to UT’s other link as well?

Glutton for punishment and wanted a laugh
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January 28, 2015 12:53pm
Manolo

Quite appropriate: squirrel, tin-foil hats, nuts, UT: all variations of the same theme.

Wait until P.G. knows about this and blame it on NZ’s rape culture! 🙂
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January 28, 2015 12:56pm
Ashley Schaeffer

The Rise and Fall of Ugly Truth and the Squirrels from Mars.

TO BE PLAYED AT MAXIMUM VOLUME
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January 28, 2015 12:56pm
UglyTruth

but they are too dumb to air-brush out a squirrel that wanders into the shot presumably located in Area 51 in the Nevada Desert.

You can’t airbrush a squirrel out of the picture if you don’t know that it’s there.
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January 28, 2015 12:56pm
SGA

Kimbo at 12:53 pm

BTW, speaking on conspiracies, did anyone notice that Capricorn One starred…O. J. Simpson?

Now, if Simpson’s alleged victims were jewish, that would complete the circle.
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January 28, 2015 12:57pm
Ashley Schaeffer

You can’t airbrush a squirrel out of the picture if you don’t know that it’s there.

Oh, a ninja squirrel. Now the pieces are starting to fall into place.
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January 28, 2015 12:59pm
Kimbo

@ UglyTruth

You can’t airbrush a squirrel out of the picture if you don’t know that it’s there.

So they got careless? Hmm. Seeing this is a government job, and they are notoriously inefficient, wouldn’t we have expected lots of cock-ups before now?
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January 28, 2015 1:00pm
UglyTruth

But if the Rover isn’t on Mars, why is the technician servicing the Rover in Ugly’s other link wearing a space suit?

He’s not, you can see from his shadow that he’s got curly hair. The object on his back could be a water container.
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January 28, 2015 1:01pm
Kimbo

@ SGA

Now, if Simpson’s alleged victims were jewish, that would complete the circle.

Ronald Goldman was!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Goldman

“Goldman grew up Jewish”.

So it was like – SPOILER ALERT! – the plot of Agatha Christie’s The ABC Murders. Nicole Brown Simpson was NEVER the intended target. Instead she was just a decoy…and Simpson was the patsy directing all the attention on to her. Fiendishly clever and chillingly evil and calculated.
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January 28, 2015 1:08pm
kowtow

hj

Thank you for Water Diviner link.
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January 28, 2015 1:09pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth,

Chris Bollyn is talking through his head .The photo from this link shows no unndisturbed grass but definitely shows scattered piles and clumps of up turned grass and dirt which is what one would expect from such an impact ,

http://www.unitedflight93.com

Meanwhile a study of flight 1771 is instructive that nose dived into solid ground by the actions of a suicide hijacker .Note the ground at Shanksville was comparatively softer, but Similsr debris field.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Southwest_Airlines_Flight_1771
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January 28, 2015 1:10pm
SGA

Kimbo at 1:08 pm
🙂
Brown’s father, Louis Hezekiel Brown might we worth a very thorough investigation as well (no, I don’t really think so, but some say that where there’s smoke…).
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January 28, 2015 1:12pm
James Stephenson

He’s not, you can see from his shadow that he’s got curly hair.

Do you really believe what you’re saying, or are you just here to entertain us?
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January 28, 2015 1:12pm
UglyTruth

Seeing this is a government job…

Caltech, a private company, is one of the main players in the Mars mission.
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January 28, 2015 1:13pm
kowtow

OJ Simpson.

Funny how negros refuse to convict or believe a negro can be guilty of heinous murder (when the victims are non negros)

but when a white cop shoots a negro robber ,that’s racism?
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January 28, 2015 1:13pm
Jack5

Re Milky at 11.35, when he asked:

I’d be interested in hearing specific details about how the wearing of burqas is likely to pose a security risk at Waitangi. How many burqa-clad people are expected anyway? What are the other security requirements? How exactly is that piece of attire ‘offensive’ in any way?

Milky, as a committed multiculturalist, you should know these questions should be directed to Mr Rankin of Ngapuhi, the Northland tribe which I assume is in charge of Waitangi.

As for the security aspects of burquas, I assume they are the same as masks and full-face motor-cycle helmets: they hide the identity of the wearer.
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January 28, 2015 1:20pm
UglyTruth

Do you really believe what you’re saying, or are you just here to entertain us?

Do you really believe that the squirrel in the photo is a rock, and the shadow of the technician is just some meaningless visual anomaly?

There’s good evidence that some of the Apollo photos were done in a studio: the relatively close parallax distances to the “lunar” mountains, and the Scotchlite screen artifacts. Newtonian gravitational theory couldn’t get the Earth-Moon distances right, how likely is it that they put a man on the moon first time with no problems?
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January 28, 2015 1:24pm
James Stephenson

Do you really believe that the squirrel in the photo is a rock, and the shadow of the technician is just some meaningless visual anomaly?

In a word, yes.

If you bothered to compare the shadow picture with a photo of the rover itself, it’s obvious that what looks like the shadow of the tech’s arm, is actually caused by the robotic arm of the rover.

Anyway, I’m going back to hiding under my desk, there’s a cloud outside that looks just like an alligator…
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January 28, 2015 1:31pm
Kimbo

@ UglyTruth

Newtonian gravitational theory couldn’t get the Earth-Moon distances right, how likely is it that they put a man on the moon first time with no problems?

So what was Apollo 1? Why did people have to die when there was never going to be anyone in the Command Module at the top of the Saturn rocket when it was launched?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_1

Or is speculation that Gus Grissom was allegedly going to blow the whistle on the whole lunar landing hoax instead evidence that your plot theories lack an inner quality-control mechanism?
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January 28, 2015 1:31pm
UglyTruth

The photo from this link shows no unndisturbed grass but definitely shows scattered piles and clumps of up turned grass and dirt which is what one would expect from such an impact ,

The grass in this photo wouldn’t be there if the wing had made the indentation in the ground.

http://911logic.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/15-9l-shanksville-hole.jpg
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January 28, 2015 1:34pm
stephieboy

Ugly Truth this, poster on a forum successfully debunks your latest venture into squirrel Mars / Moon hoaxer buffoonery ,

“Well it is pretty obvious what happened. As everyone knows the Mars landers are actually sitting on a sound stage in Reseda California (where the Moon landings were filmed). A squirrel has wandered onto the set.”

Flight 93 A particular kind of wing indentation ? Why exactly.? More to the point all that undustrurbed green grass ?
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January 28, 2015 1:35pm
UglyTruth

If you bothered to compare the shadow picture with a photo of the rover itself, it’s obvious that what looks like the shadow of the tech’s arm, is actually caused by the robotic arm of the rover.

Your “obvious” is just wishful thinking. What part of the rover do you think has spiky hair?
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January 28, 2015 1:45pm
James Stephenson

Your “obvious” is just wishful thinking.

Oh, the ironing.

**edit**

No, I see it now! It’s Fry from Futurama!
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January 28, 2015 1:49pm
Lance

Why the fuck would NASA bother to fake rover landings?????
Machines will not die from cosmic radiation outside the van Allen belts, so why all the conspiracy lunacy?

And I thought the con-trails being chemical agents to control our thoughts was fucked up.

Seriously this is beyond crazy.
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January 28, 2015 1:52pm
kowtow

A joke in bad taste is now a crime?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scotland/11372346/Glasgow-bin-lorry-tragedy-Twitter-troll-is-cautioned.html
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January 28, 2015 1:54pm
UglyTruth

Why did people have to die when there was never going to be anyone in the Command Module at the top of the Saturn rocket when it was launched?

Fear is a pretty strong motivator. 1967 saw an unusually high number of dead astronauts.

27 January 1967; Apollo 1 – Astronauts Roger Chaffee, Virgil Grissom (Mercury 4 and Gemini 3), and Edward White (Gemini 4)

6 June 1967 – Edward Givens

5 October 1967 – Clifton Williams

15 November 1967 X-15 – Michael J. Adams

8 December 1967 – Robert H. Lawrence, Jr.

http://www.airsafe.com/events/space/astrofat.htm
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January 28, 2015 1:55pm
UglyTruth

Why the fuck would NASA bother to fake rover landings?????

To counter the faked Apollo mission narrative by giving the impression of having the ability of go to other planets with conventional technology.
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January 28, 2015 1:59pm
Kimbo

@ UglyTruth

Fear is a pretty strong motivator. 1967 saw an unusually high number of dead astronauts.

The problem with that explanation is that it fails Popper’s falsification test, as follows:

If astronauts DO die in unusually high numbers, then it is proof they are being ruled by fear to buy in to the hoax lunar landing conspiracy.

If astronauts DON’T die in unusually high numbers, then it is proof they are not subject to the normal dangers one would expect of a genuine lunar landing program…so it is a hoax.
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January 28, 2015 2:06pm
Kimbo

@ James Stephenson

Your “obvious” is just wishful thinking.

Oh, the ironing.

**edit**

No, I see it now! It’s Fry from Futurama!

I think UglyTruth is starting to grow on me. An even bigger piss-taker than Sir Cullen’s Sidekick
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January 28, 2015 2:12pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh goodness,…. no-one is going to come out of this little spat smelling fresh.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/65493542/radio-host-sean-plunket-stands-by-calling-eleanor-catton-a-hua
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January 28, 2015 2:16pm
Lance

@Kimbo
Methinks you are right

Nobody is as messed up as UT is pretending to be.
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January 28, 2015 2:24pm
UglyTruth

If astronauts DON’T die in unusually high numbers, then it is proof they are not subject to the normal dangers one would expect of a genuine lunar landing program…so it is a hoax.

This fails because only three of the seven died in an event directly related to the Apollo mission. Also those three died due to a known hazard where reasonable precautions (i.e testing for ignition sources) were not performed.
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January 28, 2015 2:59pm
Sonny Blount

Maggy Wassilieff (582 comments) says:
January 28th, 2015 at 2:16 pm
Oh goodness,…. no-one is going to come out of this little spat smelling fresh.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/books/65493542/radio-host-sean-plunket-stands-by-calling-eleanor-catton-a-hua

Good on him.

Of course Stuff will turn the story into an attack on him because they found a couple of tweets by crackpots.

They never allow comments on these hit job of theirs because they know there will be a horde of people ready to pile on Eleanor and back Sean up.
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January 28, 2015 3:00pm
UglyTruth

Nobody is as messed up as UT is pretending to be.

Nobody is as messed up as those who trust a system that lies to them about the really important stuff.
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January 28, 2015 3:01pm
All_on_Red

Kowtow
According to my American friends saying “Negro” is now a no no. It’s black or African American. Sigh, crazy huh.
Except of course if you are black then n****r is ok too.
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January 28, 2015 3:11pm
kowtow

Celebrate the diversity and enrichment.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2926724/I-m-going-Jew-bashing-teenage-thug-texted-friend-thugs-beat-Orthodox-Jewish-man-protest-against-conflict-Palestine.html
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January 28, 2015 3:13pm
Kimbo

@ UglyTruth

This fails because only three of the seven died in an event directly related to the Apollo mission. Also those three died due to a known hazard where reasonable precautions (i.e testing for ignition sources) were not performed.

Hold on. I think I can keep up with this shell game.

You originally asked “Newtonian gravitational theory couldn’t get the Earth-Moon distances right, how likely is it that they put a man on the moon first time with no problems?”

So why, if they did have problems (Apollo 1), does it not prove that they always did plan to go to the moon (and almost certainly got there), and more to the point, why did they have to die due to “a known hazard” when

1. It wasn’t a known/anticipated hazard until it happened (the standard cause for any accident – a failure of imagination), and

2. it was a needless hazard given they were never going to the moon in the first place?! No one would have known if they were using pure oxygen or not, and

3. None of that addresses Popper’s principle of falsification!

Am enjoying how your mind ‘works’, though 🙂
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January 28, 2015 3:21pm
kowtow

All On Red

This is what prompted that post, other than the Oj murder / race thing. We really are pushed around by the language police.Frighteningly rudeness can now involve one with the real police. Again we’ve allowed our politicians to push us around.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11371874/Benedict-Cumberbatch-race-row-9-offensive-words-we-need-to-ditch.html
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January 28, 2015 3:22pm
stephieboy

Myth busting Moon Hoaxers/ But one example ,

Shadows
In some shots, astronaut shadows appear to be cast in different directions. Conspiracy buffs with little-to-zero understanding of how light works claim that this is proof of two light sources; if they were really on the moon there would only be one light source, the sun. However, anyone with even a vague knowledge of reality knows that multiple light sources create multiple shadows for each object and yet do not create one shadow that points in a different direction. The different orientations of the shadows are due to uneven ground and perspective illusions. This was the first in a series of refutations by MythBusters.[20]

Another,

The C rock
One image purports to show the letter “C” on a rock.[16] Conspiracy theorists say that this is a label for a prop piece and that the letter indicates which position it goes in for the shot. There are numerous problems with this, not least of which is the fact that the “letter” is clearly a case of pareidolia. Secondly, this is not seen anywhere else in any of the moon footage or photos. If NASA was dumb enough to put a prop the wrong way up, you’d expect it to be visible on most rocks, or the moon buggy, or the lander itself. Third, and most importantly, no one in film or television labels their set pieces like this precisely because such labels might be seen if the director picks a new angle to shoot from.

etc, etc, etc

Much, much more here ,

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Moon_landing_hoax

and here ,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz7cUP4o-ZQ
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January 28, 2015 3:36pm
UglyTruth

You originally asked “Newtonian gravitational theory couldn’t get the Earth-Moon distances right, how likely is it that they put a man on the moon first time with no problems?”

To be clear I meant problems relating to gravitational theory, eg being able to launch from the moon and make it back to Earth.

So why, if they did have problems (Apollo 1), does it not prove that they always did plan to go to the moon

Because the problem with the fire wasn’t directly related to space travel, but to the handling of hazardous materials.
Launching from the moon is especially dubious because the theoretical low gravity wasn’t evident in the video, i.e. in the video the astronauts were not jumping any higher than on Earth.

why did they have to die due to “a known hazard” …

To ensure their silence. Dead men tell no tales.

1. It wasn’t a known/anticipated hazard until it happened

Wrong. Concentrated or pressurized oxygen is a known fire hazard, and they had experienced oxygen induced fires before.

2. it was a needless hazard given they were never going to the moon in the first place?

It wasn’t needless in terms of convincing support personnel that it was all real.

3. None of that addresses Popper’s principle of falsification!

I addressed that in my 2:59
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January 28, 2015 3:44pm
publicwatchdog

So – according to Sean Plonker – if you are critical of the Government – you are a ‘TRAITOR’???

How very Libertarian is that!?

NOT.

Oh – only if you are critical of this John Key led National Government?

Silly billy me 😉

Penny Bright
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January 28, 2015 3:46pm
UglyTruth

Myth busting Moon Hoaxers/ But one example ,

Straw man. My argument was based on the distance to the “lunar mountains” calculated from parallax and the Scotchlite screen artifacts.
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January 28, 2015 3:47pm
Longknives

Capricorn One was an awesome movie! James Brolin, Elliot Gould, Telly Savalas and, of course, OJ..
Pity Ugly Truth thought it was real!
That rock does look like a Squirrel though..Hmmmn
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January 28, 2015 3:55pm
Longknives

And Plunket is merely calling out Catton on her raging Hypocrisy- That vile woman has been swanning around the World for years on Government grants and taxpayer handouts, so for her to attack the very hand that feeds her…
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January 28, 2015 3:58pm
Kimbo

@ UglyTruth

You originally asked “Newtonian gravitational theory couldn’t get the Earth-Moon distances right, how likely is it that they put a man on the moon first time with no problems?”

To be clear I meant problems relating to gravitational theory, eg being able to launch from the moon and make it back to Earth.

No, I think you are trying to weasel out. Your appeal to the supposed lack of “problems” was cited as evidence the moon landings were faked, NOT as a qualification or explanation of the alleged Newtonian gravitational theoretical problems.

Because the problem with the fire wasn’t directly related to space travel, but to the handling of hazardous materials.

A false dichotomy. It was BECAUSE they were planning for space flight, that they were were working with hazardous materials.

..It wasn’t needless in terms of convincing support personnel that it was all real

How is pure oxygen necessary to convince support staff it is real? Just have a label “oxygen”, just in the same way you have a label “LEM landing conformation” and the same problem is sorted.

3. None of that addresses Popper’s principle of falsification!

I addressed that in my 2:59

No. You addressed a particular objection with a particular response. You have not stood outside of your theory/explanation and explained what would have to be done to prove it false. You are still viewing it from inside your prism of understanding, In doing so you are confirming you lack even basic awareness of methods of intellectual quality-control/epistemology over your ideas/speculations/assertions/obvious truths
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January 28, 2015 4:06pm
Shawn Herles

Rocks don’t have eyes, fur, or carry their tails on their backs.

Neither does the rock in the picture.
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January 28, 2015 4:19pm
Shawn Herles

So the sinister cabal that has been staging fake missions to Mars for some 40 years odd years is so successful that they can essentially keep that a secret from millions for all that time…but they are too dumb to air-brush out a squirrel that wanders into the shot presumably located in Area 51 in the Nevada Desert.

This is the basic logic flaw in all PCT’s (Paranoid Conspiracy Theories), the fallacy of omnipotent elites.

On the one hand we are supposed to swallow the idea that these elites have successfully masterminded massively complex conspiracies, from 911 to the moon landings, yet repeatedly make mistakes that a first year film studies student would avoid. Then, despite the large number of genuine experts who don’t see the conspiracy, they get found out by people who do not even have the intellectual level to distinguish a rock from a squirrel and think the Earth is hollow,

Not credible.
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January 28, 2015 4:28pm
Redbaiter

On the one hand we are supposed to swallow the idea that these elites have successfully masterminded massively complex conspiracies,

Like distributing deliberately smallpox infected blankets to Indian tribes? You’re every bit as bad as Ugly when the occasion suits you.

A measure of how Kiwiblog has degenerated that so much space is taken up here talking to loons like Ugly Mistruth.
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January 28, 2015 4:33pm
Manolo

Good on Marie Antoniette for defying the Stone Age barbarians: http://news.yahoo.com/michelle-obama-navigates-limits-women-saudi-arabia-192549108.html

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) — For first lady Michelle Obama, just a few hours in Saudi Arabia were enough to illustrate the stark limitations under which Saudi women live.

Joining President Barack Obama for a condolence visit after the death of the King Abdullah, Mrs. Obama stepped off of Air Force One wearing long pants and a long, brightly colored jacket — but no headscarf.

Under the kingdom’s strict dress code for women, Saudi females are required to wear a headscarf and loose, black robes in public. Most women in Saudi Arabia cover their hair and face with a veil known as the niqab.

Saudi Arabia imposes many restrictions on women on the strict interpretation of Islamic Shariah law known as Wahhabism. Genders are strictly segregated. Women are banned from driving, although there have been campaigns in recent years to lift that ban. Guardianship laws also require women to get permission from a male relative to travel, get married, enroll in higher education or undergo certain surgical procedures.
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January 28, 2015 4:36pm
Inandout

Manolo: Obama has black African heritage, and to a traditional Arab he would be regarded as somewhat inferior. After all it was the Arabs who were wholesalers in the slave trade, rounding them up (with African chiefs’ assistance), and selling to the highest bidder. Michelle Obama being (a) black, and (b) a woman, leaves her in an almost disregarded category.
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January 28, 2015 4:58pm
chiz

UT:

Newtonian gravitational theory couldn’t get the Earth-Moon distances right, […]

Gravitational theory, of any kind, has nothing to do with the earth-moon distance. Even the ancient Greeks managed to figure out how far away the moon was – well before Newton.

how likely is it that they put a man on the moon first time with no problems?

There were lots of practice runs with unmanned probes, and sending things into orbit, etc, before they attempted the manned landing.
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January 28, 2015 5:12pm
UglyTruth

Gravitational theory, of any kind, has nothing to do with the earth-moon distance.

Of course.

Earth-Moon Lagrange L1 is the gravitational balance point between the Earth and the moon where an object will not accelerate towards either body (also called the neutral point). The early theoretical value of around 24,000 miles doesn’t match the reported value of 43,495 miles.

“At a point 43,495 miles from the Moon, lunar gravity exerted a force equal to the gravity of the Earth, then some 200,000 miles distant.” – Wernher von Braun (Time Magazine, July 25, 1969.)

In the book Principles of Astronautics, written in 1965, a fellow of the British Interplanetary Society, M. Vertregt, gave the calculated neutral point value as follows:

At a distance of 346000 km (215000 miles) from the Earth and 38000 km (23600 miles) from the Moon, at what is called the “neutral point” N, the attraction exerted by the Earth is equal to that exerted by the Moon.

http://www.exopolitics.org.uk/exodocuments/Brian-Moongate%20-%20Suppressed%20Findings%20of%20the%20Space%20Program.pdf
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January 28, 2015 5:34pm
Viking2

How is this for summing up a bastard?
Read what his father says.

A man who tragically passed away in a car accident last night was an “enormous bastard,” say friends and family.

35-year-old Jared Fuller, of Hastings, was killed when his vehicle collided head on with a milk truck on State Highway 2, on the outskirts of Napier.

Today, those close to him spoke out about the man who they knew as somebody “full of hate,” and “without a conscience.”

“It’s just a little hard to believe he’s gone,” said Fuller’s sister, Jeanine, who had tears in her eyes. “I mean, it’s much better now, but still, hard to believe.”

“We’ll miss him, absolutely,” added his father, Graham, “but truthfully, he was a massive cunt. Even as his parents, we can’t deny that.”

Friends of Fuller said he was “just a little bit awkward” and sometimes said things that made others feel uncomfortable.

All said that they were sad about his death, but only because he would be in the news, which they unanimously agreed he “didn’t deserve.”

Fuller’s funeral will be held on Friday, where his former partner will deliver his eulogy, in which she is expected to reminisce at length about the pain he caused her.

http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/man-who-died-was-enormous-bastard/
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January 28, 2015 5:57pm
UglyTruth

This is the basic logic flaw in all PCT’s (Paranoid Conspiracy Theories), the fallacy of omnipotent elites.

If the elites were omnipotent then they wouldn’t find themselves in embarrassing situations like they do.

Then, despite the large number of genuine experts who don’t see the conspiracy, they get found out by people who do not even have the intellectual level to distinguish a rock from a squirrel and think the Earth is hollow,

Continuing on the theme of being intellectually challenged, who would hold to the absurd idea that the continents were once all one one side of planet as a supercontinent when standard planetary formation implies the formation of symmetrical bodies?

Centrifugal force tends to make a fluid body expand (magma is a fluid), and an expanding surface is perfectly consistent with the evidence that leads to the theory of continental drift. When a fluid body rotates the center forms a void, and if the centrifugal force causes it to expand then that void will simply increase in size.

The fact that Shawn had no explanation (except LMAO) for the video of air and clouds being drawn into a massive hole at the North Pole only serves to illustrate how far his head is stuck up his own arse,

He wouldn’t admit that Paul of Tarsus lied about his apostleship, and tried to argue that being told to proceed to Damascus for instructions is consistent with being appointed while still on the road to the city.
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January 28, 2015 6:02pm
UglyTruth

A measure of how Kiwiblog has degenerated that so much space is taken up here talking to loons like Ugly Mistruth.

And then there’s Redbaiter, just another angry old fart who can’t argue his way out of a paper bag,
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January 28, 2015 6:07pm
Viking2

Baptizing an Irish Drunk

An Irish man is stumbling through the woods, totally drunk, when he comes upon a preacher baptizing people in the river. He proceeds into the water, subsequently bumping into the preacher.

The preacher turns around and is almost overcome by the smell of alcohol, whereupon, he asks the drunk, “Are you ready to find Jesus?”
The drunk shouts,
“Yes, I am.”

So the preacher grabs him and dunks him in the water. He pulls him back and asks, “Brother, have you found Jesus?”

The drunk replies, “No, I haven’t found Jesus!”

The preacher, shocked at the answer, dunks him again but for a little longer.
He again pulls him out of the water and asks, “Have you found Jesus, brother?”

The drunk answers, “No, I haven’t found Jesus!”

By this time, the preacher is at his wits end and dunks the drunk again — but this time holds him down for about 30 seconds, and when he begins kicking his arms and legs about,he pulls him up.

The preacher again asks the drunk,”For the love of God, have you found Jesus?”

(get ready for this)

The drunk staggers upright, wipes his eyes,coughs up a bit of water, catches his breath, and says to the preacher,

“Are you sure this is where he fell in?”
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January 28, 2015 6:27pm
Lance

Sorry V2
That wouldn’t make it into a cheap Christmas cracker
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January 28, 2015 6:30pm
Steve (North Shore)

Penny comes from Mars. Can any expert prove that she doesn’t?
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January 28, 2015 6:50pm
Viking2

Yep. Men are from Mars.
Haven’t you read the book.

Women are from Venus.
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January 28, 2015 6:55pm
kowtow

The media are making much of the 70 th anniversary of Auschwitz liberation.

Nothing said about the “liberators” conduct

The revelation that women who had already endured so much mistreatment in camps such as Auschwitz were then subsequently raped by their liberators adds a grotesque level of nausea to the story that did not exist before.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1247157/How-survivors-Auschwitz-escaped-nightmare-faced-unimaginable-ordeal.html
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January 28, 2015 7:18pm
freemark

I blame big Pharma, it’s all becoming clear how they did it..
100’s of false flag operations over dozens of years..
A VRWC to cover up the Truth, that only a few super intelligent non sheepie can see through..
Use billions of the sheepie to discredit the Truthly Enlightened with false, false, false flag attacks (some of which are actually real, mainly, depending on who you believe, which is now no-one any more that appears sane)
Drive massive doubt into the only true non-sheepie (who have also been infiltrated in a cunning reverse switch operation given away by a disobedient tame squirrel that can fly jets & spacecraft but not follow simple instructions in old hebrew code)
Develop super rocks that can impersonate falsely flagged squirrels.
Frustrate the by now frantic & triply confused non sheep, non squirrel, non rock flags (false or otherwise) to the extent that they need to take meds produced by (of course) the evil Jewish Glitterratti (which also have smart meters cunningly embedded)
Baaaaaaaaa….
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January 28, 2015 7:19pm
Steve (North Shore)

Ok Vicking2, Men are from Mars; so where is Penny from? and don’t say that place you mentioned (her being bright and all that shit)
Like is that her real name? just like the visitor coming to see Crim Dot Con was named Sarah Torrent? Reptilian shape shifters I reckon
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January 28, 2015 7:39pm
UglyTruth

You’ve got some chuckleworthy prose there, freemark, but I’m a little disappointed that you didn’t use the term “non-rock stealth squirrel” or mention the lizard people or the great dental conspiracy. I’ll give you a B, room for improvement.
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January 28, 2015 7:57pm
nasska

….”Men are from Mars; so where is Penny from?”….

Carterton I hear tell Steve. Hard to confirm because the locals have burnt all records linking her to the town.

Something about fire cleansing them of an ancient curse if I recall correctly. 🙂
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January 28, 2015 8:03pm
renderer

Penny must have had a wasted meeting in Carterton, otherwise she would have been crowing on GD about the wonders she performed
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January 28, 2015 8:29pm
Steve (North Shore)

nasska@ 8.03
bad joke, but these reptilian shape shifters can also confuse things
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January 28, 2015 8:31pm
Johnboy

We never change shape in Wainui. We all like sheep! 🙂
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January 28, 2015 8:34pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/erxqzmviieuwlle/Sheep%2043.jpg?dl=0
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January 28, 2015 8:38pm
Johnboy

I thought I saw you outside my place with a camera nasska you cunt! 🙂
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January 28, 2015 8:41pm
nasska

I was chatting to one of my Muslim colleagues today about Ramadan and he explained that it was about so much more than simply fasting, it was more to do with cleansing the soul.
“Excuse my ignorance,” I said, “But I know you’ve got a five year old daughter. Do you make her participate too?”
“Of course not! Do you think we are barbarians?” He replied. “That’s entirely a matter for her husband, not her father.”
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January 28, 2015 8:46pm
Johnboy

I never realised till now that Muslims played a prominent part in the Eketahuna Bowling Clubs hierarchcy nasska?

Keep up the good work old chap as an example to the rest of us fucking bigots! 🙂
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January 28, 2015 8:51pm
Johnboy

Good grief Minus……. You are just like rust and cancer! 🙂

Are you on a mission? 🙂
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January 28, 2015 9:01pm
Johnboy

As long as my corrosion and sarcomas are eating away at you I am happy Minus! 🙂
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January 28, 2015 9:03pm
stigie

It must be 3 years now JB since you broke off your engagement from your Eketahuna sqeeze ?

How the time flys along when you are havin fun and talking shite !~
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January 28, 2015 9:14pm
Johnboy

Multiple cancerous creatures are abounding in a reaction to Johnboy! 🙂

I really luv such affection! 🙂
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January 28, 2015 9:16pm
Johnboy

The best part of life is the opportunity to talk shite stigie. Thank goodness our host encourages it! 🙂
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January 28, 2015 9:19pm
Redbaiter

What an utter cesspit.
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January 28, 2015 9:20pm
stigie

Thats the freedom we have here JB, but a lot here have their heads up their own arses !! Far too serious ole chap.
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January 28, 2015 9:22pm
Johnboy

“What an utter cesspit.”…….?

Nonsense Red old chap. You look quite fetching in your red white and blue striped bathers! 🙂

You should pop right into the warmed spa pool that is KB lest your wisdom be lost to those of us that have almost forgotten your halcyon days! 🙂
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January 28, 2015 9:29pm
Shawn Herles

The fact that Shawn had no explanation (except LMAO) for the video of air and clouds being drawn into a massive hole at the North Pole

Actually I was LMAO at you’re theory that it was because the Earth is hollow.

He wouldn’t admit that Paul of Tarsus lied about his apostleship,

There was nothing to admit to. Like you’re hollow Earth claim you argument was full of holes big enough to fly a 747 through.

Generally I just think you’re a moron, and only bother with you for the entertainment value. Never make the mistake of thinking that I take you or anything you say remotely seriously.
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January 28, 2015 9:39pm
Shawn Herles

Are you well Johnboy? Virtual sheep healthy and happy? 🙂
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January 28, 2015 9:44pm
Redbaiter

Generally I just think you’re a moron,

To his credit, he’s not into hoodoo voodoo and black magic.
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January 28, 2015 9:45pm
Johnboy

Have you got any smoked Catfish to flip off to your multiple friends here on KB yet Shawn?

Or is your uncle Festus full of shit? 🙂
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January 28, 2015 9:52pm
SGA

Redbaiter at 9:45 pm

To his credit, he’s not into hoodoo voodoo and black magic.

You’re quite sure about that?
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January 28, 2015 9:56pm
Shawn Herles

I got crayfish from Kaikoura. Too much in fact. Need to give some away.

Uncle Leeroy passed on a while back JB, thankfully after finding Jesus and the love of a good women! 🙂
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