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January 24, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 24 January 2015

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Rowan

Waikatogirl

That’s pretty poor reasoning, what if daddy intended writing more but saw David at the gate returning from his paper run? I’m fairly sure that had he decided to commit suicide then he would certainly want to be dead by the time David showed up so he wouldn’t have to be answerable to him.
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January 24, 2015 9:06pm
Psycho Milt

“daddy” – you’re all class.
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January 24, 2015 9:10pm
Left Right and Centre

I don’t know about the boxing analogy. When you’re currently ranked two and made two semis and a final in 2014 – and you’re saying retire. If it was anyone else you’d say keep going. Even if he played the whole year – struck out – would that ‘damage his legacy’ ? I don’t think it matters either way. His record is the best in the open era and that’s it. Doesn’t matter too much what happens next. It’s in the books. I don’t think he exactly ‘needs one more pay day’ either. He’s playing for love and has been for quite some time now.

Nadal is 28. June 3 1986. 4 year ten month age gap between himself and Federer. In tennis terms – that’s just big enough. You forgot to mention Murray / Djokovic who are not young either at 27. They *are* spring chickens compared to Fed – hahaha. Especially in tennis years. But yes – historically good players have done most of their winning by age 25-26, so the Nadal generation are meant to be in the ‘ageing’ category too – and yet still dominating for now. There are articles around stating that players are investing more in physio and recovery, gym work, taking it more seriously, and that modern surgery and other technology is helping them maintain their bodies into their late twenties to stay at the top around the age where in the past players entered decline. Compare ages of top ten-twenty now versus 20-30 years ago. Racquet technology is ever changing – as Fed will say the game has changed within his own playing career in terms of who’s game the latest technology suits best. Could also benefit the ‘older players’ ?

Some say Bjorn retired (age 26) amidst a radically changing game that would not have seen him dominate much longer anyway. Wood to graphite.

Everyone’s got their view – if he started exiting first-second round this year – I don’t know how long he’d want to keep on going like that for. He says he wants to make Rio – that could be very painful with bad results leading up to it but hey – peak Fed is dead – he’s having fun – fans love to see him play – ranking ok for now so – no problem.
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January 24, 2015 9:16pm
nasska

….”My point is, we are on the road in the first place.”….

We’re definitely on a road but there’s still room to speculate on where it’s taking us.

….”My second point is, we are a lot closer to that destination, than most of you think.”….

Would you devote a comment to explaining briefly exactly what the destination as you see it is. If you could then refer back to it from time to time it would help keep your readers focussed.

….”And my question remains. IF we ARE even approaching that situation, how precisely would you do your human duty? To educate people, in the background?”….

Should I be convinced that mankind is going off the rails I would definitely join you in spreading the message.

But let’s hark back to my original point about presentation of the argument. Your efforts are wasted if you don’t couch them in a way that they make an inviting, easy to read, invitation to accept your POV. If you struggle to convince a simple cocky how do you expect to fare when faced with the intellectual muscle of the KB bloggerati?
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January 24, 2015 9:19pm
Longknives

Lets not forget L,R & C that Nadal is only a few Major wins behind Fed…Could he overtake?
*I certainly hope so- I personally find Federer as boring as batshit (Though there is absolutely no doubt he is one of the greatest of all time)
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January 24, 2015 9:23pm
Reid

Would you devote a comment to explaining briefly exactly what the destination as you see it is.

Google Albert Pikes letter to Mazzini and read it.

Your efforts are wasted if you don’t couch them in a way that they make an inviting, easy to read, invitation to accept your POV.

I took it real easy for ten years on this blog trying not to be controversial and trying not to inject what I know into the conversation even when I knew it was mental.

From time to time I’d forget about that such as when Iraq was being invaded on a lie and people were dying based on a lie and when Israel was using phosphorus on women and childs just cos they could but apart from those outrages I was deliberately restrained.

But it went nowhere.

So now I just say what I know without giving a fuck about whether or not it upsets peoples tummies.

This is because I’ve concluded by experience you simply can’t say what I know without offence. It’s just not possible. It’s not that its offensive, it’s simply that people can’t stand thinking they’re complete idiots, fools and morons who understand nothing. Of course neither do I, but if you’re telling people they’re ruled by thugs and murderers and they haven’t even noticed that simple little FACT, then how do you do that without raising that little objection in their own minds?

So I just decided fuck it, don’t dress it up, don’t be namby pamby, just say it, see what happens. It’s not about convincing people in a single post, it’s about giving them a trail to follow if they wish.
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January 24, 2015 9:38pm
waikatogirl

Rowan, who the hell knows what actually happened. Nobody can be sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hence my stated opinion that no taxpayer money should be paid over to Bain until it is completely clear. It is not. Nobody knows except for David, and he won’t say. Robin is dead. He can’t say. Sorry. But again no taxpayer money should not be paid. There are still questions……………………………!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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January 24, 2015 9:47pm
nasska

I followed the suggestion re Google Reid but many wouldn’t & that’s what I was getting at. A brief teaser would help your strike rate. Never mind…..

….would you go along with the content here? http://www.alternatehistory.com/spiritualist/gabrielites.html
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January 24, 2015 9:51pm
Left Right and Centre

The great tennis question. You’re probably being rhetorical with ‘thee question’ but anyway . . .

It’s currently 17-14 eh ? Lots of variables in there. Assume odds against Fed adding another. Nadal age – form – physical impediments – and who else comes along as competition next two-three years. Rafa to close the gap – 99.99% likely. To get within one / even stevens – 80-90%. So – to get to 18 ? Ooooo – really ? If I had to go one way or the other – that’s a tough call. Two or three more French Opens and one or two outside the French. 50/50 he’ll get ahead of Fed.

You look at the Rafa record – one big problem last four years – one win away from the French, US Open 2013. But of course such is the nature of it that all he’s got to do is clean up in Melbourne and it’s on like Donkey Kong. His one win at least successful grand slam came in 2009 and he’ll likely play Wawrinka or Djokovic in final but hey – it’s Rafa – and he is one son of a bitch hard-swinging mofo grunting tennis terminator sent from the future to topspin every last little bitch off the court – oh yeah – Urgh – Urgh – Uuuuuuurgh. Eat my 80s short shorts baby !!
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January 24, 2015 9:52pm
Longknives

“Nobody can be sure!!!!”

Bollocks! You would have to be an absolute Looney Tune to have looked at all the evidence and think that Robin Bain committed those murders (Then shot himself with his wrong hand in the most awkward position imaginable from an almost impossible angle..)
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January 24, 2015 9:55pm
Reid

nasska I don’t do party tricks.

Would you go along with the content here? http://jahtruth.net/
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January 24, 2015 9:58pm
Longknives

McEnroe (no slug himself) reckons Nadal is the greatest player he has ever seen- His Stats match up very favourably against Federer also.
*Nobody has a winning percentage to match Borg though..
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January 24, 2015 10:04pm
Rowan

Longblouse
Thanks for the laugh but your post is utter bullshit, the most “awkward position imaginable” yeah right, That’s why Dr Dempster agreed that there were no required contortions to shoot yourself in such a way. Also Daddy choose the most common place for a self inflicted wound being his temple and held the gun in direct contact with his temple so the odds of this being anything other than a self inflicted wound is around 0%.
Sorry the absolute looney tune is yours truly.
Own goal idiot!
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January 24, 2015 10:07pm
nasska

Reid

As an atheist I’d be challenged to get my head around anything to do with mythical deities never mind what side of the fence they reside on.

Belief in the ephemeral is one bullet I successfully dodged. 🙂
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January 24, 2015 10:11pm
Left Right and Centre

Like a lot of sports trying to compare different eras is problematic. With tennis – I just say forget trying to compare today to the 70s. It’s like saying Don Bradman is better than someone now because his average is higher. Sure – ok.

Age for age the stats of the fedal rivalry are very close. Around age 28 they would be on about 14-15 slams each. So it could go either way – in fact looking at it like that I want to think it’s a foregone conclusion that Nadal will catch up – so why doesn’t he ? Time will tell.

Comparing the two of them makes for compelling arguments between the two sets of achievements – the head to head – the consistency of Federer across all grand slams making semis – finals, Nadal completing the set of slams faster, beating Fed on grass when Fed couldn’t beat Rafa on clay and on and on it goes. The bottomline in a way is the total wins. If Rafa was that good – it wouldn’t just be the French – it would be the French and three or four each of the others for a total of about twenty or so by now. But that hasn’t happened. And after 2010 when he won three out of four – you’d’ve believed that it could.
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January 24, 2015 10:16pm
Longknives

Bradman’s average of 99 would suggest he was better than everyone! (Ask any cricketer how freakish this would be even at Club level)
*Consider that the NZ Media/fans have been spouting off (rather ridiculously) that McCullum is the ‘Best since Bradman’ lately- His Test average is 37…
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January 24, 2015 10:33pm
Reid

Belief in the ephemeral is one bullet I successfully dodged.

Ever consider by not believing you’ve run right into it?

Pity if not.

There’s a reason it’s still alive thousands of years after. How many other “trends” can you name which has done that?

You and everyone therefore owe it to yourselves to explore that question, lest you make the biggest mistake of your life.

OTY.
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January 24, 2015 10:38pm
Left Right and Centre

Cricket is just not my thing these days – but ok.

I wonder if anyone is capable of averaging 99 today ? Probably no-one. Including Bradman. And I doubt if he was a ‘one-in-history’. And there’s no way to know. Saying anyone is the best since Bradman – it’s just a load of bollocks trying to compare a modern player to a player from the thirties either way. Different game. Imagine sending an all time bowling attack back in time to bowl to Don Bradman. Let’s see – who could you pick from ? Younis – Akram – Hadlee – Lillee – Warne – Donald – the list goes on and on. Would he average 99 against the great Windies pace line-up of the 70s and 80s ? Unknowable. Probably not.

And then you’ve got one-day and that ADHD BS today – longer seasons, more games, more people playing, more competitive countries – the whole picture has changed.

Also – try comparing rugby players amateur era to pro era. It’s just a pain in the arse headache waste of time. Terry Wright – around 75kg at 182cm. No way in hell would that work now – but then if he came through now he’d know that and try to beef up big time.
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January 25, 2015 12:22am
Pete George

There’s a reason it’s still alive thousands of years after. How many other “trends” can you name which has done that?

Actually ‘it’ has changed substantially over thousands of years. ‘It’ is substantially different (in ‘it’s’ many variations to what ‘it’ was, for example 2000 years ago, or 3,000 years ago.

History is very vague about when ‘it’ began.

‘It’ is not an it. It’s been many morphing things since it emerged in evolving societies.
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January 25, 2015 6:59am
Manolo

The peaceful followers of violent Islam never rest:
Spanish police arrested four people on Saturday in its North African enclave of Ceuta suspected of belonging to a militant Islamist network, the interior ministry said.

Spain has stepped up security as well as efforts to prevent the radicalization of young Muslim citizens following attacks in Paris this month in which Islamist gunmen killed 17 people.
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