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General Debate 22 January 2014

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Pete George

Nick Smith’s ten RMA changes

1. Add management of natural hazards

the management of significant natural hazards has got to be added. New Zealand is one of the most natural hazard prone countries in the world with significant risks from earthquakes, floods, landslides and volcanoes. I give one simple example to emphasise the point – the Bexley subdivision in Christchurch. Hundreds of pages of reports and submissions were written on the effects of this housing development covering birdlife, landscape, coastal impacts, effects of recreation, effects of Maori cultural values, but nowhere did any official consider the effects of land liquefying in an earthquake like what occurred in 2010 and 2011. This was despite this risk having clearly been identified by council natural hazard experts.

2. Recognise urban planning

We need to make is to properly recognise the urban environment. Eighty per cent of resource consents are about urban issues yet currently they rate no direct mention in the purposes and principles of the Act. It is as though the Act was designed for a Garden of Eden prior to the development of cities. The careful design of our urban environments so we have places to live, work, shop and play and the appropriate transport links to travel between them is core to the proper functioning of the Resource Management Act.

3. Prioritise housing affordability

recognising the importance of more affordable housing. The Productivity Commission’s 2012 report noted a sharp shift in the type of housing being built since the RMA was enacted. They noted that 30 years ago, New Zealand built a healthy mix of new homes across the price spectrum whereas today new homes are pitched towards the top of the market. Thirty-five per cent of new homes built were sold below the then median house price as compared to just five per cent today.

4. Acknowledge importance of infrastructure

Good infrastructure is essential to the functioning of a modern nation – whether it be for transport, communication, water or energy. The stories of 19th century London, Auckland or Nelson without a reticulated sewer system emphasises the connection between the environment and infrastructure. Even today, many of our urban water pollution problems relate to poorly designed or maintained sewerage and storm water systems. The absence of any mention of the importance of good infrastructure is an anomaly in the RMA that needs addressing.

5. Greater weight to property rights

Give more explicit recognition to property rights. There always has to be a balance between the rights of a person to use their own land and the wider community interests, but the pendulum has swung too far. We are looking at amendments that limit the degree to which council officials can meddle in people’s lives. We also want greater discretion for councils to waive the need for resource consents where the wider environmental effects are negligible. So in examples like I cited with the Stoke Medical Centre, the Nelson Young Parents School or Bob Jones’ window, the council could waive the requirement for a consent.

6. National planning templates

Consolidate this mountain of RMA rules across our councils. It does not make sense for a small country of four and a half million people to have each of the councils reinventing the wheel. For example, we have over 50 different definitions of how to measure the height of a building. We intend to legislate to require councils to use standard planning templates. Councils will still be able to choose from these templates what will apply in different areas but rather than having hundreds of different rules across the country in residential areas there will be a standardised range.

7. Speed up plan-making

Speeding up the plan-making process. The process set out in in Schedule One of the Act is cumbersome, inflexible and slow. It takes on average six years to complete a plan. We have had residential housing go from boom to bust and back to boom in this timeframe. The OECD has made plain that responsive and timely plan making is essential to avoiding the sort of property bubble that wreaked havoc in the recent Global Financial Crisis.

8. Encouraging collaborative resolution

Fostering a new collaborative way of resolving resource management issues. The RMA processes currently favour a litigious and adversarial approach. We have been experimenting with collaborative processes where those with a range of interests are encouraged to get around the table and find a balanced solution.

9. Strengthening national tools

strengthening the powers for national regulation. The RMA makes provision for National Policy Statements and National Environment Standards but these have been used infrequently. Our Government has done more in five years than previous governments in the preceding 18 years covering coastal management, freshwater management, metering of water takes, contaminated land and renewable electricity. However, these tools remain cumbersome. Take a simple issue like requiring all dairy farmers to fence their stock out of rivers. It is a policy most New Zealanders would agree with and indeed farmers and Fonterra have developed a Clean Streams Accord to that effect.

10. Internet for simplicity and speed

Reframe the Act into an era of electronic communications. The current Act still requires truckloads of paper to be shipped between submitters. For example, all submitters on a plan change must get a copy of other submitters’ views. There are sometimes 10,000 submitters to a plan and the council can be required to provide a paper copy to each of the other 9999 submissions.

The public notification requirements are equally arcane. Councils need to be required to have their full up-to-date resource management plans publicly available on the Net and in a form that is readily accessible and understandable to the general public. The age has also arrived that councils rather than being required to send out full applications and submissions in paper form need simply to make the information available on the Net.

Smith’s full speech Overhauling the Resource Management Act
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January 22, 2015 8:01am
hj

This post from George Mombiot is worth a read

‘CBC refused to answer my questions, and I have not had a response from Amanda Lang. It amazes me that she remains employed by CBC, which has so far done nothing but bluster and berate its critics.
It’s grotesque. But it’s symptomatic of a much wider problem in journalism: those who are supposed to scrutinise the financial and political elite are embedded within it. Many belong to a service sector aristocracy, wedded metaphorically (sometimes literally) to finance. Often unwittingly, they amplify the voices of the elite, while muffling those raised against it.
A study by academics at the Cardiff school of journalism examined the BBC Today programme’s reporting of the bank bailouts in 2008(12). It discovered that the contributers it chose were “almost completely dominated by stockbrokers, investment bankers, hedge fund managers and other City voices. Civil society voices or commentators who questioned the benefits of having such a large finance sector were almost completely absent from coverage.” The financiers who had caused the crisis were asked to interpret it.
The same goes for discussions about the deficit and the perceived need for austerity. The debate has been dominated by political and economic elites, while alternative voices – arguing that the crisis has been exaggerated, or that instead of cuts, the government should respond with Keynesian spending programmes or taxes on financial transactions, wealth or land – have scarcely been heard. Those priorities have changed your life: the BBC helped to shape the political consensus under which so many are now suffering.
The BBC’s business reporting breaks its editorial guidelines every day, by failing to provide alternative viewpoints. Every weekday morning, the Today programme grovels to business leaders for 10 minutes. It might occasionally challenge them on the value or viability of their companies, but hardly ever on their ethics. Corporate critics are shut out of its business coverage – and almost all the rest. On BBC News at Six, the Cardiff researchers found, business representatives outnumbered trade union representatives by 19 to one(13). “The BBC tends to reproduce a Conservative, Eurosceptic, pro-business version of the world”. This, remember, is where people turn when they don’t trust the corporate press.

http://www.monbiot.com/2015/01/20/messenger-of-the-gods/
and the same goes here: it’s always Spoonley, Shamabeel Equab of the(allegedly) independent NZIER or a Bank economist but never Treasury, Reserve Banks Michael Reddel or the Savings Working Group. All to the line the pockets of the development and banking sector.
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January 22, 2015 8:04am
EAD

I am sick and tired of bl**dy public sector workers complaining about low pay as “Unions have rejected a call from Finance Minister Bill English for further restraint in wage increases because of the low-inflation environment”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11389952

From what I see of public sector workers, they are all a bunch of tick box morons who spend all day typing inane comments on blogs.

How about they adopt the following pay formula for all public sector workers:

Let them try find a job in the private sector with their “skills” and see if if they get a written offer of employment. If they do, then the Government should match that and use the cushy public sector hours and job security as the “kicker” in order to keep them in the public sector.

I suspect the number of public sector workers who would get a pay rise will be somewhere in the region of nil.
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January 22, 2015 8:09am
hj

5. Greater weight to property rights
back in the States

The Ashby high-rise case was a setback for the development industry, but not a fatal blow. The developers have already broken ground and will appeal the damages upheld by the judge. And the tower will be far more out-of-scale than most — 21 stories in a single-family neighborhood, nearly as wide as it is tall — and located in a very wealthy neighborhood. While some fear that the judgment will embolden other homeowners to sue for damages, it’s worth noting that every attempt up until now has failed, and the vast majority of other dense developments have gone up around the city without a fight. Even if the Ashby case sets a precedent, it would only affect the rare, very large project in very wealthy, pristine single-family neighborhoods, and it won’t impose much of a tax — at 1717 Bissonnet, the judgement only works out to a few thousand dollars per unit.

The judge suggested in his decision that the city adopt a zoning code, but a lot of money has been staked on land without density restrictions, and Mayor Annise Parker’s spokeswoman told the Wall Street Journal that the mayor thinks it’s “way too late for zoning in Houston.” While there may be bumps in the road, over the long term, Houston has become considerably more friendly to dense infill development, and will likely continue the trend.

http://nextcity.org/daily/entry/ashby-high-rise-lawsuit-houston-developers-sprawl

Acts nuisance laws are just a nuisance to the development juggernaut
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January 22, 2015 8:12am
hj

Relevant also that the wealth has gone to landlords when developers face the citizen
http://www.salon.com/2015/01/02/joseph_stiglitz_thomas_piketty_gets_income_inequality_wrong
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January 22, 2015 8:17am
Longknives

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11389944

“Along with compulsory te reo in schools, Dr Morgan floated the idea of an upper House of Parliament of which half the members were Maori,”

Why do the media continue to give this fruitcake the attention he craves? Why is he considered an ‘Expert on Everything’??
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January 22, 2015 8:18am
duggledog

Final proof Gareth Morgan has lost his mind:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11389944

Essentially, compulsory te Reo in schools and an Upper House. We’re all racists if we don’t agree, because they’ve had SUCH a tough time.

Gareth, if you can hear this from your lofty perch alongside the wealthy elite from both tribes; here’s the news: nobody gives a shit any more, in spite of the rhetoric drilled into teachers and by proxy kids. And less people will give less of a shit as time goes on and more immigrants arrive from the Philippines, India and Asian countries. You watch.

The Treaty was between Maori and the Crown a long time ago. Signed by people who have no relation to me. We’ve both done all right out of each other but increasingly, someone is dragging the chain. Get it?

We’re all Maoried out. I know a few Maori who are too.
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January 22, 2015 8:18am
Tarquin North

Gareth Morgan has an article in this mornings Horrid. As usual he is telling us all how we should live. This time it’s all about the treaty of Waitangi. He reckons pakeha (a word I hate) nearly exterminated maori. He now suggests te reo should be compulsory in all primary schools and thinks there should be an upper house of parliament of which half the members would be Maori and the treaty should be enshrined in law. This quota and treaty garbage sounds like future Labour policy. Mind you what else would you expect from a bloke who thinks North Korea is the utopia we all dream of.
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January 22, 2015 8:20am
iMP

OMGosh, the arrogance of that Obama State-of-the-Union speech. Embarrassing. Commentators are not kind, likening the Democrat fawning groupies to Justin Bieber fans. About right.

https://conzervative.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/arrogance-of-the-state-of-the-union-speech-2015/

https://conzervative.wordpress.com/2015/01/22/more-thoughts-on-the-2015-sotu/
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January 22, 2015 8:22am
Longknives

Some Lefty reckons movies about ‘White People’ should be no longer welcome at the Academy Awards?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/65271861/please-no-more-movies-about-white-male-geniuses

This after the director of Selma threw her toys and cried ‘Wacism!’ when she didn’t get nominated and some other Woman is predictably crying ‘Sexism’ in the news today

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/65273304/hollywood-sexism-blocked-wild-from-best-picture-nomination-says-author

These people’s heads are going to explode if American Sniper wins Best Picture! Go Clint!!
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January 22, 2015 8:25am
EAD

Gareth Morgan and another one of his “white men bad” rants, mixed with pining for an assumed lost socialist egalitarian paradise of the noble Maori Savage ruined by the money hungry white man.

Bad things have happened in history Gareth. Bad things have been done all over the world, by all peoples. The Aztecs, Mayans and some Incas for example, practised human sacrifice and exterminated jungle tribes in the process. Until white man bought Maori the gift of civilisation, Maori were habitual cannibals, practiced infanticide and they actually DID EXTERMINATE the Moriori.

And can the likes of Morgan not see his hypocrisy? They are all pro-multiculturalism when it comes to Islam immigrating into Christian lands and thus diminishing their culture, but if it was the other way round, TWO HUNDRED YEARS AGO AND EIGHT GENERATIONS AGO, then it is a crime for which we must all be damned for, for all eternity.
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January 22, 2015 8:26am
Inandout

One hopes the proposed RMA changes won’t be pared back by that coiffured fossil from Ohariu. The mention about Bob Jones’s window may be a glimmer of hope that councils will be able to override Iwi objections, but I won’t hold my breath on that one. Environmental lawyers hopefully will have to look for other work if these changes are effective.
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January 22, 2015 8:27am
G152

About time that the RMA was sorted.
To get an extension on an existing house can cost almost as much as building the house.
And it takes YEARS for the pedantic pen pushers to grudgingly allow reams of paperwork
pass and construction begin.
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January 22, 2015 8:29am
Paulus

it is reported that Gareth Morgan has just finished upgrading his hideous house on the Main Beach front in Mt Maunganui.
Believed $2.5 million has been spent – am sure that Maori would have appreciated their share to learn Te Reo.
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January 22, 2015 8:31am
holysheet

Re the RMA

Whats wrong with this weak bloody National govt I and many more voted for?

They have a majority of 1 with the support of ACT.
Get on and implement ALL the changes required to the RMA ASAP.
Tell all the other parties including the maori one to get stuffed.
These are the changes required and they will be done by xmas. Not next year, or the following year, but this year.
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January 22, 2015 8:32am
waikatogirl

RMA law hopefully passed by the end of the year! Not the only process that needs improvemen. The government have the numbers, just get on with it 😉
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January 22, 2015 8:32am
IGM

This pathetic Act should be repealed in full, along with Palmer’s Local Government Amendments, where we now have councils being run by fiscally dyslexic socialists. When we had successful members of society elected to councils, we had financial prudence, infrastructure maintenance, realistic rates, and representatives being paid a sensible honorarium. With the introduction of Palmer’s failure we now have a line-up of overpaid useless troughers, very few with any abilities other than a degree in sociology, and agendas that make even Russel Norman appear a capitalist. Look at the line-up of failed ex-Labour MPs at GWRC, one even having form.
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January 22, 2015 8:36am
hj

Maggy Wassilieff (562 comments) says:
January 21st, 2015 at 9:40 pm

Actually, I don’t long for the good old days….. NZ 1950s/60s wasn’t exactly paradise from my viewpoint
I’m a bit of a fan for this modern, diverse country that we’ve got…
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and you are opposed to the notion of biological determinism when re xenophobia, community cohesion, or the fact that children preferred the life of the American Indian .
You say you are a biologist? I suppose you have your ~~reasons~~ motives.

Up the road in Queenstown, nature is in full flight.
Queenstown advertises itself as “The Adventure Capital of the World,” where you can bungy jump, heli-ski, jet-boat, or sky-dive. The confines of the modest town can no longer accommodate the throng of thrill-seekers. Soaring mountains still fringe the lake, but condos are creeping along the shore, a snake of traffic clogs the road into town, and Louis Vuitton has set up shop along with Global Culture, a clothes store.
If your idea of a holiday is a seething mass of cars and people, topped off by a cacophony of helicopters, Queenstown may be for you. Otherwise, it serves only as a warning of the perils of overdevelopment.
“Queenstown used to be nice, but it’s a mess, now,” Verduyn says, as we continue our trip down the Upper Clutha. “We don’t want to get like that.”
He points out a bunker-like private dwelling atop a bluff, and shakes his head.
“It was a disaster to put that building in there,” he says. “People from all over the world are coming here seeking a wilderness, a sanctuary. The worst-case scenario is that we damage the environment, which brings people to New Zealand in the first place.”
Leigh Turner is a freelance writer in Berlin.

http://www.boston.com/travel/articles/2004/11/07/new_zealand_at_a_crossroads/
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January 22, 2015 8:38am
kowtow

inandout

‘Iwi objections” in the RMA .Don’t be ridiculous, New Zealand is a modern democracy,where we cherish ideals such as equality before the law, there’s no way someone would get a say on issues based on the colour of their skin……….oh wait.

We have a right leaning majority in parliament who’re going to sort the RMA , I won’t hold my breath.
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January 22, 2015 8:40am
hj

According to Longitudinal Immigration Survey: New Zealand (LisNZ) – Wave 1 the top reasons given for migrating to NZ are:
Relaxed pace of life or lifestyle
Climate or the clean, green environment
A better future for my children
Employment opportunity
Friendly people
Safety from crime
Join family members
Easy access to outdoor or sporting activities
Educational opportunities
Marry or live with a NZ spouse or partner
Political stability
Economic conditions
To study
Accompany family members
Other
Aspects Migrants liked most about NZ
Climate or natural beauty or clean and green
Friendly people or relaxed pace of life
Can achieve desired lifestyle
Safety from crime and violence
Recreation and leisure activities
Small population
Education system or educational opportunities
Having family here
Political stability and freedom or lack of corruption
Cultural diversity
Job opportunities
Good provision of services
Good housing
Lack of inter-racial, ethnic or religious tensions
Economic conditions
Other
None
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http://www.stats.govt.nz/~/media/Statistics/Browse%20for%20stats/LISNZ/HOTPWave1/L-I-S-NZ-Tables-update.xls
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January 22, 2015 8:40am
EAD

A final thing on Gareth Morgan drivel – why is it when I read stories such as this I am always left asking the same question:

Did Maori gain no benefit whatsoever from European Settlement?

They got protection from the marauding French, they got a written language, advanced healthcare, wheels, common law, education and the universal language, and end to their barbaric practices, advanced farming methods, an extended life expectancy. And let’s not forget – New Zealand was not a nation when the Maori were here – just a collection of warring tribes living a primitive existence.

This constant attack and diminshment of European culture worldwide by the far left and forced mass 3rd world immigration into white countries eventually leads you down an uncomfortable path and questioning what is the ultimate agenda – to end European civilisation once and for all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02FE0j0RSCQ
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January 22, 2015 8:42am
wiseowl

I don’t trust Smith and his attempts to change the RMA ,especially Sections 6 & 7.

I would approve a big change to section 8 by removing reference to the ‘principles’ of the TOW of which there are none but he wont do that as Flavell would have hikois from hell.

Funny how people like Morgan who I enjoyed when he talked about economic matters years ago, morph into experts on everything.Somehow he has been brainwashed by Maori indoctrination and does not appear to possess the ability to weigh up a wealth of information that gives us historical truth about NZ 1840.
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January 22, 2015 8:43am
holysheet

wiseowl, I am wondering if all this good or bad publicity about Morgan, may be an attempt by him to keep his name out there.
Call me cynical, but how is his kiwisaver investment account performing??
If it wasn’t for his son and trademe fame, he wouldn’t have much to live on?
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January 22, 2015 8:48am
Lance

Well if labels are being tossed around about movies, then surely criticizing too many movies ‘about white male geniuses’ is a huge sin.
After all Alan Turing was homosexual, so these lefties are homophobic….. bastards!

Also Alan Turing was an interesting character… unlike some other shit movies out there.
Anyone who invents the computer and helps win WW2 can’t be all bad 🙂
Movies about tanks and snipers are pretty good as well.
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January 22, 2015 8:54am
waikatogirl

Gareth Morgan has too much time on his hands to come up with his latest brain explosion.

Gareth, time to head off on another long bike trip somewhere far away. Maybe you could go and make some helpful suggestion to Putin on how to fix Russia’s major problems… I know he would appreciate the help 😉
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January 22, 2015 8:54am
flipper

Mombiot+hj’s posts = esoteric, unwanted, excrement.
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January 22, 2015 8:55am
wiseowl

holy
Morgan sold out of the kiwisaver scheme I believe. KiwiBank now .

On Smiths point one.How come when I built pre CHCH earthquake, I had to get an engineering report that indicated possibility of liquefaction and had to deal with.?
I had a feeling this was covered under the Building Act.
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January 22, 2015 8:56am
Yoza

Has anyone else watched the video EAD posted at 8:42am?

At best it goes to some length to illustrate EAD’s fragile mental state.
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January 22, 2015 9:02am
Manolo

Mr Morgan is a living (and sad) example of how too much time, combined with too much money, can lead to enfeeblement and high levels of idiocy. The pseudo Green and cat-hater believes he knows it all and can lecture NZ on whatever he wants.

Fuck off, Gareth Morgan.
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January 22, 2015 9:08am
stephieboy

Is “Forgotten Baby syndrome ” in respect of the death of the toddler at Wanganui Hospital PC gone mad and the Doctor / Mother responsible guilty of culpable homicide ?

Or does the death remind ius if the overwhelming tragedy of the situation ? Instead of pointing the finger we are reminded of a moment when we have had ourselves had a near miss with our own child/ children ?

A moment of inattention or forgetfulness where we can count ourselves fortunate that something tragically disaterous could easily of happened .

Thoughts ?
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January 22, 2015 9:10am
kowtow

Je suis Charlie……yeah right.

Paris mayor threatens legal action over “insult”. What we can be sure of is that the political classes are lying hypocrites.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/01/20/paris-wants-to-sue-fox-news/22062179/
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January 22, 2015 9:10am
Manolo

Some savage followers of the religion of peace retaliate: http://www.arabnews.com/featured/news/692201

Some Saudis and expatriates have called for a campaign to boycott French products because of the offending cartoons published by the Charlie Hebdo magazine last week.

“It is necessary to boycott French food products and perfumes and hit the French economy because they are ignoring the feelings of Muslims by publishing blasphemous cartoons. It is the best solution to defend Islam and our Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him),” said a message posted by one user on various social networking sites.
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January 22, 2015 9:14am
wiseowl

Thinking about Smiths suggested changes further it looks like tinkering with section 6 and 7 in his way will be in conflict with the purpose of the Act ,section 5 .

His changes are not going to affect housing affordability one iota.
How about putting a halt on mass immigration?
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January 22, 2015 9:16am
Lance

Usual hand wringing crap from guilty wealthy whities.

If we are going to single out a group for an aspirational goal for betterment (although I thought that was racism?) then Maori need to be better educated academically and/ or entrepreneurialy. And if said goal was attained what would happen… Maori would be much wealthier, crime would plummet, health would improve, housing would improve and it would a much easier ‘sell’ to non-Maori that their language was worth learning.

That would be a better discussion than lots of new compulsory Maori centered laws and increased handouts.
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January 22, 2015 9:17am
kowtow

And as with je suis ahmed ,again the Muslims ,very quick at appropriation.

http://www.vocativ.com/world/israel-world/palestinian-celebrate-terror-attack-tel-aviv-je-suis-knife/
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January 22, 2015 9:18am
hj

Yoza (1,938 comments) says:
January 22nd, 2015 at 9:02 am

Has anyone else watched the video EAD posted at 8:42am?

At best it goes to some length to illustrate EAD’s fragile mental state.
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And your argument is…?
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January 22, 2015 9:20am
Scott

EAD at 8.42am
“Did Maori gain no benefit whatsoever from European Settlement?
They got protection from the marauding French, they got a written language, advanced healthcare, wheels, common law, education and the universal language, and end to their barbaric practices, advanced farming methods, an extended life expectancy. And let’s not forget – New Zealand was not a nation when the Maori were here – just a collection of warring tribes living a primitive existence.”

Totally agree with you EA D apart from one small issue – “they got protection from the marauding French”.

As a direct descendant of the French in New Zealand I must protest. If my forebears had their way the South Island would be French. The South Island would be a separate country with excellent Bordeaux style wine, wonderful fresh food ingredients married with classic French cuisine and endless lines of hot slim French women ready to greet you with a smile and a Bonjour!

Things could have been a lot worse 🙂
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January 22, 2015 9:20am
hj

wiseowl (1,004 comments) says:
How about putting a halt on mass immigration?
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I notice on The Standard none of the commentors speak so bluntly, having been weeded out and is representative of Labour/Green on the whole?
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January 22, 2015 9:23am
kowtow

The media and commentariat have gone into overdrive over the death of the baby, a tragic thing.Also very early and speculative which is unprofessional,but what would you expect from the media?

However it is interesting the contrast in how the media treat events.

Senior working mother forgets baby ,so sad. Parents discipline a child ,heinous crime.
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January 22, 2015 9:23am
kowtow

“If my forebears had their way the South Island would be French. ”

And the Japanese would have had an excellent base from which to invade the North Island and the rest of the Pacific.

Vichy water anyone?
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January 22, 2015 9:27am
Lance

@Manolo
Interesting that so many Muslims feel they need to physically (and violently) defend Mohammad.

By contrast Jesus told his followers (paraphrased).. I am God and you do not need to (physically/violently) defend me, God will do what is necessary. He even ripped into Peter to attempting to do so.
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January 22, 2015 9:27am
James Stephenson

As far as Morgan’s latest sermonising is concerned, I think most parents of primary-school kids in this country would be surprised to learn that “Te Reo” isn’t already compulsory.
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January 22, 2015 9:27am
Jack5

Amazing! A 17-year-old boy passes himself off as a gynaecologist in a British hospital for a month before he gets caught. Tops the Christchurch case a few years ago when a fat, transgender, young, brown lad infiltrated a private hospital and posed as a nurse for a not inconsiderable time.

And when a blind, Kiwi-Chinese Post Office employee on his leave toured the country as a blind American tourist who heard rather than saw the country. He was rumbled when the police spotted his picture on the balcony of a provincial hotel being “told” the city’s features by hotel staff. The guy had a record.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/teenage-boy-poses-as-doctor-in-hospital-gynaecology-department-for-a-month-9993181.html
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January 22, 2015 9:27am
hj

According to Longitudinal Immigration Survey: New Zealand (LisNZ) – Wave 1 the top reasons given for migrating to NZ are:
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According to Longitudinal Immigration Survey: New Zealand (LisNZ) – Wave 1 the top reasons ~~given for~~ 62% of people want greater restrictions on people migrating to NZ are:
They want to keep the relaxed lifestyle, low population etc
http://www.stats.govt.nz/~/media/Statistics/Browse%20for%20stats/LISNZ/HOTPWave1/L-I-S-NZ-Tables-update.xls
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January 22, 2015 9:28am
kowtow

Turing was transferred from Bletchley to Hanslope Park because he was suspected of molesting schoolboys in Luton Public library.

I’ll bet that wasn’t in the movie.
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January 22, 2015 9:32am
Maggy Wassilieff

@hj 8:38am..
“and you are opposed to the notion of biological determinism when re xenophobia, community cohesion, or the fact that children preferred the life of the American Indian .
You say you are a biologist? I suppose you have your reasons motives.”

Oh dear, looks like you are getting personal.
There’s no need to imply that I’m fibbing about saying I’m a biologist…… a simple little Google search of my name should illuminate matters. A search of kiwiblog should also bring up some of my scientific background….. but essentially, I have a 1st Class hons BSc & a Ph.D. in Botany, and since graduating (in the 1980s) some decades of work in biological fields.

Motives/ reasons? Again is there an implication that I’m a puppet of some foul master?

My motives for blogging here on KB seem pretty transparent. I’m not a fan of misinformation/ BS. I try to add a few facts when they are pertinent to debates I follow.
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January 22, 2015 9:36am
stephieboy

flipper (4,395 comments) says:
January 22nd, 2015 at 8:55 am
Mombiot+hj’s posts = esoteric, unwanted, excrement.

flipper ,now why does this post remind me of your and some of your associates unhinged rants in respect of an unnamed and now infamous criminal case ?
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January 22, 2015 9:36am
IGM

Why does PSA continually use our health sector as a lever in their attempts to screw more money out of taxpayers for pathetic and useless subservient
bureaucrats? All those who work in health, from cleaners up, deserve increases, but many bureaucrats slithering up Lambton Quay each
morning sure as hell do not. In fact, government should be looking at disestablishing many PSA- Clark-created positions these jerks are filling. Time there was a public register of all job descriptions, salaries, qualifications, and tenure, identifying those employed in this taxpayer-funded joke. It must be hard for service-related public servants, being used as a lever by unions, to gain salary increases for bureaucratic drones, who outside their protective shell, would be unemployable. The PSA are doing health/service public servants a disservice.
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January 22, 2015 9:36am
Julian

Typical ghoulish Herald trying to cash in on the tragedy in Wanganui by demanding details of the poor clinician’s job and hours, as if they’re even remotely relevant to the awful mistake she made.
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January 22, 2015 9:38am
Kimbo

@ Lance

Movies about tanks and snipers are pretty good as well.

Enemy at the Gates was a good sniper movie with lots of tension, even if (like lots of historical war movies) it took heaps of dramatic licence. Nearly anything with Ed Harris is worth watching.

Good submarine movies like The Hunt for Red October are a great format as well, but bad ones force you to suffer through 2 hours of actors in a tin can!

Speaking of The Hunt for Red October, why is it that no matter what role Sean Connery plays (an Chicago Irish flat foot cop in The Untouchables, a Russian submarine commander in The Hunt for Red October, good king Richard in Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves, he always has the same Edinburgh accent…?!

“You know I only have eyes for yoo, Moneypenny”.
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January 22, 2015 9:38am
stephieboy

IGN, therefore do you think health professionals and management working in our public hospital system should be paid peanuts ?
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January 22, 2015 9:39am
Yoza

hj (7,437 comments) says:
January 22nd, 2015 at 9:20 am
Yoza (1,938 comments) says:
January 22nd, 2015 at 9:02 am

[Yoza]“Has anyone else watched the video EAD posted at 8:42am?

At best it goes to some length to illustrate EAD’s fragile mental state.”
…
And your argument is…?

Barely animate black stick people are only threatening to the likes of EAD. I for one look forward to serving our future black stick people overlords!
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January 22, 2015 9:40am
Scott

Kowtow at 9:27 a.m.
“And the Japanese would have had an excellent base from which to invade the North Island and the rest of the Pacific.Vichy water anyone?”

Kowtow that is harsh! A little warmth and good humour in the morning doesn’t go amiss does it mon amie?
Also not true – think of New Caledonia, they didn’t become a Japanese base to my knowledge?
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January 22, 2015 9:41am
Inandout

Will Nick Smith’s RMA changes stop this cultural bullshit. A contractor was fined $40,000 for disturbing some Maori dog bones and some ashes after the Christchurch earthquake damage clean up?

‘The heritage watchdogs investigated and found that shell, charcoal, fire-cracked rocks and a humerus of a dog had been disturbed.

A report confirmed that one feature was exposed which consisted of a “dark semi-circular shape rich with charcoal and shell, and fragments of fire-cracked rock and bone”.

This may be one of the reasons the Christchurch rebuild proceeds at a snails pace.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11335813
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January 22, 2015 9:42am
Griff

dr Maggy
Your disputing of facts is motivated by your politics not an unbiased love of accuracy.
You have disputed me on facts around AGW many times.
but
I have never seen you dispute the obvious bullshits of others when it comes to AGW.
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January 22, 2015 9:46am
hj

Yoza is opposed to EAD’s post because Marxists see race as a social construct “reification” so in fact it makes no difference if Anglo – Saxons are a minority in Britain or not.
“what we need is a great big melting pot” ….. turn out coffee coloured people by the score” – except that they will all have their culture and identity?
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January 22, 2015 9:48am
dime

“IGN, therefore do you think health professionals and management working in our public hospital system should be paid peanuts ?”

lol @ management.

pretty sure CEO Dime could take the knife to some of that so called management.
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January 22, 2015 9:50am
peterwn

Wiseown – I am sure Nick will overhaul S5 (purpose). Since ‘the meaning of an enactment must be ascertained from its text and in the light of its purpose.’ (S5 Interpretation Act 1999 – my favourite clause of all legislation) it goes without saying that S5 RMA needs to be tuned up to express what he is hoping to achieve with his proposed amendments. A court can also divine ‘purpose’ from ministerial statements, select committee reports, Hansard records of debates, etc, but a well written ‘purpose’ section can avoid much trouble later.
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January 22, 2015 9:55am
Weihana

EAD (1,666 comments) says:
January 22nd, 2015 at 8:42 am

Did Maori gain no benefit whatsoever from European Settlement?

They got protection from the marauding French, they got a written language, advanced healthcare…

Advanced healthcare? Circa 1840? Really?
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January 22, 2015 9:57am
SGA

Kimbo at 9:38 am

Good submarine movies like The Hunt for Red October are a great format as well, but bad ones force you to suffer through 2 hours of actors in a tin can!

“Das Boot” – enjoyed it, but was really glad to get out into fresh air afterwards.
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January 22, 2015 9:59am
kowtow

scott aka Pierre le Pieu,

A bit harsh, nah ,just fomenting some cheesy mischief. Alors you’re right about New Scotland not being occupied by the wee Nips ,but who knows ,has the SI been a thriving French colony as you suggest then maybe ther’d have been pro Axis forces here such as in Indo China, Syria and North Africa who the Allies would have had to fight.
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January 22, 2015 10:04am
Maggy Wassilieff

@Griff.. 9.46am

Quite correct…. my mind is not so convinced of all the facts that you have accepted.
The politics of AGW have muddied the science that is reported to those of us away from the coal face.
I am a fence-sitter on this one.
You must also have noticed that there were numerous occasions when you posted on AGW topics and I didn’t comment.
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January 22, 2015 10:04am
nickb

I am sure Nick will overhaul S5 (purpose)

I would think that would be highly unlikely, not to mention confusing and conflicting for the Courts given the original legislation is 25 years old. How can a subsequent Government expand on the “purpose” of a 25 year old statute and still make it possible for the Courts to interpret?

Especially when your intended meaning of the new “purpose” (such as speeding up construction) presumably conflicts with the main original purpose which is the sustainable management of resources and the environment in the eyes of greens and bureaucrats.

Scrap it and start again.
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January 22, 2015 10:07am
Kimbo

@ SGA

“Das Boot” – enjoyed it, but was really glad to get out into fresh air afterwards.

On hearing that the only movie Howard Hughes watched on endless loop in the last years of his self-imposed seclusion was Ice Station Zebra, one of the stars of the movie (either Rock Hudson or Patrick McGoohan) opined, “No wonder he went mad!”.
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January 22, 2015 10:09am
kowtow

kimbo

Connery and Caine excellent in the Man who would be king.

At least in that one Caine could talk like a cockney unlike his awful attempt at the upper class twit in Zulu. (Another great film)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dJf5rO0-BM
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January 22, 2015 10:10am
UglyTruth

Some savage followers of the religion of peace retaliate

… a campaign to boycott French products …

Manolo, you poor thing, having to endure the savagery of people campaigning for an end to battery hen farming as well as all those nasty Muslims.
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January 22, 2015 10:12am
waikatogirl

Shaun Plunkett talking to a Maori woman, Lisa, who is on the Tu Whare Toa Trust, before 10am who basically called the Maori gravy train corrupt. She encouraged Shaun to speak up on Maori issues, said it is necessary for the media to voice their dissent. She was scathing about what has been going on by some in decision making positions. Missed some of it, but worth a listen.

The Iwi got $66,000,000.00. $9m on bad investments $11m administration, paid $10m off bad debts, monies paid out without any receipts, payments for home heating and Komatua grants, etc, etc. Have $16m left. The Iwi are not taking any action to recover any of the monies. No accountability.

This is not how the REAL world works for the rest of us. If anyone else helped themselves to major amounts of money for lavish birthday parties, cars, etc you would find yourself in your local prison for embezzlement, or theft as a servant. This is complete corruption. It’s like putting a bunch of kids in charge of running a bank.

A local hotelier in Taupo is now telling stories of extravagance and no accountability by this bunch of idiots.
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January 22, 2015 10:19am
James Stephenson

he always has the same Edinburgh accent…?!

You can’t go past Highlander, Connery playing a Portuguese Nobleman with a Scottish accent and Christopher Lambert playing a Scotsman with an accent that, well, who knows…
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January 22, 2015 10:20am
Tauhei Notts

Gareth Morgan has sold his investment bank to KiwiBank.
As such he no longer needs to appeal to the thinking man.
He is allowed the luxury of brown nosing with the bro-rocracy. He probably likes that. I would find it debilitating.
When Kiwisaver was introduced I persuaded a number of friends to go with Gareth Morgan Kiwisaver.
In those days Morgan was focussed on doing the best for his clients.
He has now changed his station in life and gone off the rails.
I hope I do not lose good friends because I persuaded then to go with a bloke that morphed into a fruitcake.
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January 22, 2015 10:24am
Kimbo

@ kowtow

kimbo

Connery and Caine excellent in the Man who would be king.

At least in that one Caine could talk like a cockney unlike his awful attempt at the upper class twit in Zulu. (Another great film)

Yes, not a bad movie. And Zulu too:

“Men of Harlech, march to glory,
Victory is hov’ring o’er ye,
Bright-eyed freedom stands before ye,
Hear ye not her call?!

Speaking of cockney accents (and as Michael Micklewhite/Caine IS a working-class Londoner, albeit raised in Surrey, you would expect him to nail it), I hereby give three nominations for the worst fake cockney accent of all time: –

1. Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins. Bad I know, but surely not as self-servingly fabricated as…

2. Mick Jagger in the 1960s (Upper-middle-class art college student trying to ‘connect wif da orinwy folk”). But surely not as self-serving as

3. Jamie Oliver – born and raised in north-west Essex, close to Hertfordshire!
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January 22, 2015 10:25am
Lance

@Kimbo
I was meaning the latest round movies eligible for an Oscar, specifically American Sniper and Fury (I loved Fury).
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January 22, 2015 10:27am
Nostalgia-NZ

How does boycotting goods becoming an act of ‘savagery?’ Refusing to boycott goods produced in a country as a form of protest is an accepted sanction, as is not selling goods to another country. Folks need to keep clear about this. Also about the fact that concentrating on a cartoon as representative of reasons to reinforce the rights of those that live in the West is misplaced – perhaps the intention of the plotters of drawing a line between those ill at ease over the cartoons, or uncomfortable with them to be drawn to a more radical view. The ‘battle’ is over the absolute right to resist terrorism, and how to best manage avoiding creating opportunities in which radicals can place their seeds of dissent or fear. JK, Cameron and others have publicly recognised this. That recognition should be supported, as should accepting the opportunity IS have offered to fight out in the open in Syria and else where, stopping their fighters from returning to Europe as a priority, along with those having travelled there to enhance being radicalised.

For those provoked by the thoughts of the Very Reverend (or Irreverent) Garth Morgan, don’t forget to recall the actions of the NZEF and the Second Maori Battalion and their predecessors 20 odd years before in the ME, some of whom remain buried there. From that emerged the ‘Camel Company (in WW1) and the Long Range Desert Patrol in WW2 from which grew the SAS, as they are today, keeping alive NZ’s opportunity of being a democracy and fierce, when provoked, defender of the rights of its citizens.
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January 22, 2015 10:30am
Tauhei Notts

SGA at 9.59
I visited the U Boat on display at Kiel in northern Germany, 16 months ago.
The pokeyness of it; it made me claustrophobic. So much so that I had a nightmare two nights later.
They were selling unedited versions of the movie “Das Boot” there.
………………
Off subject, but the Kiel whores do okay. The punters come in from Norway and Sweden (supposedly enlightened countries according to rabid feminists) where using a prostitute is illegal. And many of the Norwegians and Swedes waddle off the ferry boats pissed to the eyeballs as the Krauts do not have punitive excise duties on grog like the Swedes and Norwegians have at home.
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January 22, 2015 10:35am
Left Right and Centre

~~Shaun Plunkett~~ Sean Plunket
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January 22, 2015 10:39am
waikatosinger

EAD

– immigration and having babies isn’t genocide. Genocide involves killing people.

I found your video quite revolting. Like propaganda produced by the KKK.
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January 22, 2015 10:41am
kowtow

kimbo

“Mockney” sums it up nicely.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mockney
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January 22, 2015 10:45am
Redbaiter

Nick Smith won’t fix the RMA. As leader of the Blue Green faction in National he’s responsible for a lot of National’s failures to distinguish itself from the far left. Although Simon Upton was the original culprit, Nick Smith has been just as involved, and has had years and years and years to fix this monstrosity and he’s done nothing. The first step in fixing the RMA properly is to get rid of Nick Smith and then get someone else to do the job.
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January 22, 2015 10:51am
kowtow

waikatosinger

I find the surrender of the west and the abandonment of its traditional values by our political classes quite revolting.

Western civilisation is now engaged in a struggle for its survival.

We have to chose which side we’re on.Close to home ,the racist tribalisation of our laws (RMA)is another good example .
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January 22, 2015 10:56am
big bruv

So Gareth Morgan has mouthed off again. Who gives a shit. The reality is that Gareth Morgan is only famous because his son made a lot of money.

That would be really hard to live down.
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January 22, 2015 10:59am
stephieboy

kowtow (9,100 comments) says:
January 22nd, 2015 at 9:10 am

Tsk,tsk,tsk kowtow.It’s not really the fault of the French that Fox News often struggles to distinguish fact from fiction.

Wests struggle for survival ? I think You watch to many sandals and sands Roman Empire epics or us it ,yet again
,Fox News ?
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January 22, 2015 11:03am
big bruv

While we are on the race thing, can anybody make sense of this.

In NZ we have at least two political parties who agitate for greater rights and privileges for the Native (or first arrivals) people. These parties are consulted endlessly and are the darlings of the left.

In the UK and Europe there are political parties who are doing exactly the same thing for the indigenous peoples, these parties are constantly attacked by the left. These parties cannot speak out as anything they say is classed as hate speech.

What the fuck is going on with the worlds media?
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January 22, 2015 11:04am
Yoza

Maggy Wassilieff (564 comments) says:
January 22nd, 2015 at 10:04 am
@Griff.. 9.46am

Quite correct…. my mind is not so convinced of all the facts that you have accepted.
The politics of AGW have muddied the science that is reported to those of us away from the coal face.
I am a fence-sitter on this one.

The ‘muddying of the waters’ is a direct consequence of the remedy for dealing with anthropogenically caused global warming not conforming to the economic agenda pursued by big business and overseen by compliant governments.

We are going to witness dramatic changes to our environment and socio/economic systems precisely because of our refusal to deal with the by-products of our ‘advanced’ existence. (‘advanced’, because it is not sophisticated to carry on in a way that ensures the ultimate extinction of your species.)
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January 22, 2015 11:07am
mikenmild

IGM
I actually agree with much of your 9.36am comment. Things were a bit better when there was a full public service list available which listed the names, qualifications and grades of all public servants. These days, any salary details are considered ‘personal information’, although I don’t ever recall anyone complaining about it in the good old days. I would go further, and publish the tax records of all New Zealanders as well.
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January 22, 2015 11:08am
Yoza

big bruv (14,288 comments) says:
January 22nd, 2015 at 11:04 am

While we are on the race thing, can anybody make sense of this.

In NZ we have at least two political parties who agitate for greater rights and privileges for the Native (or first arrivals) people. These parties are consulted endlessly and are the darlings of the left.

In the UK and Europe there are political parties who are doing exactly the same thing for the indigenous peoples, these parties are constantly attacked by the left. These parties cannot speak out as anything they say is classed as hate speech.

What the fuck is going on with the worlds media?

The parties in Europe that “… are doing exactly the same thing for the indigenous peoples…” there are doing so to provide a pretext to carry out attacks on marginalised minorities. Surely even a bigot like you understands this. This is how the Nazis started off, ‘Defending the rights of indigenous honkies’.
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January 22, 2015 11:12am
hj

There are a lot of Muslims in Hei Hei (Christchurch) they come into the G.A.S station and fill their cars up with a $50 government voucher. How much attractive would we be for refugees without our social welfare system?
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January 22, 2015 11:12am
waikatosinger

EAD –

I’m still riled up over your revolting racist propaganda video.

Under your definition where demographic change equals genocide, Pakeha committed genocide on Maori by simply immigrating here in large numbers and having babies until Maori became a minority. Care to comment on that?

Note that while some dodgy stuff happened back then, large scale killing was never part of it. From my point of view the only thing resembling genocide in our history was early stuff involving Maori killing Maori – or Maori klling Moriori if you want to make that distinction.

I repeat – genocide involves killing. To assert otherwise takes you to a revolting place where you stop treating people like individual people and look only at races or ethnic groups. It involves inventing some kind of ‘right’ that a race has to be a majority in a particular area. That kind of group politics is what I hate most about the modern left wing ideology. They have abandoned the primacy of individual rights. They insist on treating people as instances of their class, gender, race, religion and ethnicity. The rights of individuals are superceded by ill defined rights of groups.
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January 22, 2015 11:13am
SGA

big bruv at 10:59 am

The reality is that Gareth Morgan is only famous because his son made a lot of money.
That would be really hard to live down.

If I’d got my cut, I’d learn to cope 🙂
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January 22, 2015 11:14am
EAD

@ Waikatosinger,

Read what big Bruv just wrote – why are native people lionised in NZ but attacked in Europe by the media and main parties?

One of the early precursors of genocide is to make a whole race seem subhuman. Note Morgan’s choice of words – “Pakeha nearly exterminated Maori”. That is a monstrous and provocative stretching of the truth that dehumanises all Europeans. That is a truly wicked statement to make. The truth was the Maori population declined due to their immune systems being unable to deal with imported diseases.

Contrast that with the MSM narrative on Islam where Muslims never gets blamed for anything as it is all the fault of “lone wolves” or “extremists”

Ask yourself why we are made to get so worked up about “Yazidis” being killed by ISIS yet when Christians get slaughtered by the thousands, there is a conspiracy of silence?

http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9397482/christians-are-being-driven-out-of-the-middle-east/
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January 22, 2015 11:16am
hj

The idea of an upper house (half Maori) could only be justified as a second best political solution , otherwise it is just a gaping wound of inherited and undeserved influence.
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January 22, 2015 11:19am
stephieboy

EAD, interesting points. Thus do we blame the German nation for Nazi genocide or do we select certain individuals responsiblev and put them on trial ?

http://www.cambridge.org/nz/academic/subjects/history/twentieth-century-european-history/frankfurt-auschwitz-trial-19631965-genocide-history-and-limits-law
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January 22, 2015 11:21am
Than

These days, any salary details are considered ‘personal information’, although I don’t ever recall anyone complaining about it in the good old days. I would go further, and publish the tax records of all New Zealanders as well.

But the information would be much more easily accessed today.

Sure back in the day the information may have been theoretically available, but if you had to physically walk into an office in Wellington and hunt through masses of paper records to find it then very few people would have bothered. If this information was available today somebody would write an app WhatAreTheyWorth? that could instantly pull up anybody’s record on a whim.
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January 22, 2015 11:23am
waikatosinger

EAD

the correct response to that kind of wrong thinking is not more wrong thinking. You have accepted the notion of race based laws promulgated by the left. You just want to favour a different race.
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January 22, 2015 11:24am
hj

waikatosinger (142 comments) says:

EAD –

I’m still riled up over your revolting racist propaganda video.

Under your definition where demographic change equals genocide, Pakeha committed genocide on Maori by simply immigrating here in large numbers and having babies until Maori became a minority. Care to comment on that?
….
The Maori population was about 100,000; they had achieved a limited carrying capacity. Europeans interbred with Maori. Dr Maynard of the Asia was picked up in the Port Levy chiefs jolly boat which was rowed by “15 perfectly naked women”.
European nations are developed and mass migration has come at a cost to per capita GDP.
Maori are most opposed to mass migration from Asia (I don’t mean a faux Maori elite).
Care to comment on that?
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January 22, 2015 11:25am
kowtow

waikatosinger

Genocide is not only killing.

Article 6: Genocide

For the purpose of this Statute, “genocide” means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;

(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;

(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;

(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

I’d say western politicians are engaged in c and d.They ae intent on “destroying’ the west as we know it, through mass immigration, abortion and multiculturalism.
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January 22, 2015 11:28am
dime

Windows 10 keynote just finished. Looks great.

Its going to be a free upgrade for anyone with Windows 7 or 8.1.. They have addressed all the hate that windows 8 got.

Windows 10 will work across PC’s/tablets/phones & Xbox. Impressive.

I suspect I will be rocking a windows phone in another year or two.
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January 22, 2015 11:28am
kowtow

“Ask yourself why we are made to get so worked up about “Yazidis” being killed by ISIS yet when Christians get slaughtered by the thousands, there is a conspiracy of silence?”

Our progressive politicians cannot be seen to be helping Christians.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1429109/Campbell-interrupted-Blair-as-he-spoke-of-his-faith-We-dont-do-God.html
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January 22, 2015 11:32am
EAD

@WS

Where have I ever mentioned race based laws.

Read my 8.43am post yesterday if you want to see who the problem is – it’s Marxist Politicians who are playing us off against each other and using the organs of the State and MSM to cultivate division. Most people like to live in peace and cooperate with each other (also called civilization) but Alinskyites like Morgan want to tear all that trust and cooperation down and have us fighting each other.

From my post yesterday:
“Whilst people are fighting each other they do not take notice that the traitors in their governments are stealing their freedoms, taxing and inflating them into poverty and running their countries into the ground.

I pray more people start seeing what is happening and ignore all the propaganda & lies. Right across the world we need to demand change and stop electing governments who no matter what colour their rosette is, do nothing to stop this sh*t show reaching it’s inevitable conclusion”
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January 22, 2015 11:34am
waikatosinger

Redbaiter:

Waikatosinger- save your outrage for when we really get going arsehole. We’re not going to take being constantly disparaged as racists and genocidists by your kind for too much longer and when the SHTF you might find you have something to really complain about.

Ooh. A threat. An insult. Bad language. You are a prick redbaiter. See – I can do that too.

But look here – my insult was directed at you as an individual. But you attacked me in terms of my kind. You don’t know anything about me. What do you mean by “your kind”.

And what is this bullshit about me disparaging you as a racist and genocidist. Racist – well yes actually – that does seem to fit. But genocidist – were you even awake when you read what I wrote. Genocide involves killing people. That is the whole point. And while I think you are a pretty revolting human being in many respects I don’t think you have ever killed anyone, let alone attempted to kill off an entire race.
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January 22, 2015 11:35am
mikenmild

Than
I would have no problem with that information being widely available. I think we treat too much information as personal on rather dubious grounds.
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hj (7,441 comments) says:
January 22nd, 2015 at 11:25 am

waikatosinger (142 comments) says:

EAD –

I’m still riled up over your revolting racist propaganda video.

Under your definition where demographic change equals genocide, Pakeha committed genocide on Maori by simply immigrating here in large numbers and having babies until Maori became a minority. Care to comment on that?
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“Under your definition where demographic change equals genocide, Pakeha committed genocide on Maori by simply immigrating here in large numbers and having babies until Maori became a minority. ”

but that would be a revoltingly racist suggestion?
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