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hj

Property Council comes a begging
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11389325

Stigletz says land inflation is the cause of greater inequality
http://www.prosper.org.au/2014/12/19/stiglitz-to-piketty-its-the-land/

Lobbyist calls for more migration (but not to Auckland -hints at subsidy)
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/book-extract-shamubeel-eaqubs-growing-apart-ns-159350

Treasury says “Need a bigger population” WTF?
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2014/14-10

Reserve Bank Slams Population Ponzi
Property Council comes a begging
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11389325

Stigletz says land inflation ios the cause of greater inequality
http://www.prosper.org.au/2014/12/19/stiglitz-to-piketty-its-the-land/

Lobbyist calls for more migration (but not to regions -hints at subsidy)
http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/book-extract-shamubeel-eaqubs-growing-apart-ns-159350

Treasury says Need a bigger population WTF
http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/research-policy/wp/2014/14-10

Dime enjoys New Audi
(yestrdays General Debate)
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January 21, 2015 8:05am
mandk

I can post random links, too

http://www.marthastewart.com/274335/marthas-flower-arranging-secrets/@center/867185/flower-arranging

http://www.thecephalopodpage.org/MarineInvertebrateZoology/Octopusvulgaris.html

http://burnley.co.uk/visit/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locomotives_of_India
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January 21, 2015 8:10am
hj

Of course the editing was my fault
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January 21, 2015 8:11am
Dave Mann

Kids (and some ‘adults’) are continually holding up trains by jumping off the Ngaurawhia rail bridge:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/65247767/waikato-youths-playing-a-deadly-game-of-rail-roulette

This is just incredible. The trains are stopping for the kids and one was held up for 20 minutes. Why? The trains should just continue. Most of the kids will get out of the way in time and occasionally one will get killed. So what….. it’s not as if the trains suddenly appear out of nowhere and aim for them is it? They are on tracks, FFS, and they shouldn’t be forced to make way for trespassers on their own bridge.
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January 21, 2015 8:11am
stephieboy

hjj, maybe we should we should at long last turn on the trickle down tap ? ,

Oxfam Claims The Richest 1% Will Own More Than Half The World’s Wealth By Next Year

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-richest-1-to-own-half-of-worlds-wealth-by-2016-says-oxfam-2015-1#ixzz3POGRE3d7
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January 21, 2015 8:13am
Paulus Gnome

Your Tax dollars at work; the loaves and fishes in reverse where so much is taken from the masses to feed the few . . . .

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11389300

How many services, operations or lives that could have been improved for $50 million?

Lots.

How many egos have been massaged for $50 million?

A few.

How many are responsible for their ineptitude?

None.
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January 21, 2015 8:13am
Chuck Bird

Is prostitution a choice and why is Denise Ritchie targeting all men for prostitution and child abuse?

http://www.theconservative.co.nz/?q=node/1042#comments
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January 21, 2015 8:14am
hj

Reserve bank Slams Population Ponzi
http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/04/rbnz-slams-the-population-ponzi/
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January 21, 2015 8:19am
hj

mandk (1,051 comments) says:
January 21st, 2015 at 8:10 am

I can post random links, too
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But mine are relevant? Yours aren’t?
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January 21, 2015 8:21am
chuk

Just a guess, but I think DPF should be on his way back down Kilimanjaro by now. Let’s hope he’s kept the altitude sickness at bay.
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January 21, 2015 8:24am
hj

yesterday I was criticised for cut and paste, today it is “Random” links. Only a few got the connection between them 😉
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January 21, 2015 8:29am
Yoza

2014, hottest year on record!
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January 21, 2015 8:29am
Longknives

Burnley looks nice Mandk…
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January 21, 2015 8:31am
peterwn

Dave Mann
Like to be the driver of a train that kills someone even though it was not your fault? Just ask any train driver who hes experienced this.
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January 21, 2015 8:35am
stephieboy

More lunacy from Paul Craig Roberts from his homeland that he claims is a police state .

Yeah right !

This time and true to form the former assistant secretary to the treasury ( whatever that could possibly mean ) true to form tells us the Charlie Hebdo shootings could yet be another false flag operation ,

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/01/11/suspicions-growing-french-shootings-false-flag-operation/

But let’s just disregard the actual evidence .

Time Paul to check out that dementia of yours with the neurologist
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January 21, 2015 8:36am
Keeping Stock

@ hj – your links might be relevant to members of New Zealand First and other xenophobic groups, but to the majority of us they are as meaningless as your idol Winston Peters.
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January 21, 2015 8:37am
Dave Mann

@hj: yesterday I was criticised for cut and paste, today it is “Random” links. Only a few got the connection between them

Yes, but your post today was long winded and boring and you said nothing interesting about the the subject you were posting about. Nobody wants to wade through piles of links just because you want to get attention. Start your own blog if that’s what turns you on 😀
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January 21, 2015 8:37am
wreck1080

The treelords treaty settlement cash has grown from 66 milllion dollars to 16 million dollars under the careful watch of the maori elders.

It kind of makes me think of the days of precolonisation, where maori gave away valuable land for muskets and trinkets. Instead this time round they are losing their main asset on the more modern equivalent of flash cars and bling.
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January 21, 2015 8:39am
Kiwi Dave

hj, does the treasury really say we need a bigger population? I read the abstract, executive summary and the various conclusions; even the most positive conclusion acknowledged that the evidence was very thin and inconclusive.
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January 21, 2015 8:40am
SGA

Longknives at 8:31 am

Burnley looks nice Mandk…

Trains of India was my top pick.
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January 21, 2015 8:43am
hj

Maori population struggles harder against smoking because they were “targeted by tobacco companies earlier than the rest of the population through land sales during colonistaion”.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player/20164259
Last segment
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January 21, 2015 8:43am
EAD

We are told by our political elite that New Zealand’s entry into the international anti-Islamic State coalition is “the price of the club”.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/65233728/nz-part-of-international-antiislamic-state-coalition–prime-minister-john-key

When the inevitable terror attack occurs in NZ, just like it has in every other “5-eyes” country. I hope everyone points the finger at the correct culprit – Our government

If you wonder why some Muslims hate the West and its military, remember who has been invading Muslim lands and killing millions of Muslims. Our government.

If you have an issue with Muslims coming into your countries, remember who allowed them in. Our government.

If you have a problem with the confusion and lack of common ground with your fellow countrymen, remember who insists we reject our European civilised heritage and become “multicultural”. Our government.

If you have an issue that children are being taught in schools that all cultures are equal no matter how backwards and repugnant they are, remember who is responsible for setting the syllabus. Our government.

Whilst people are fighting each other they do not take notice that the traitors in their governments are stealing their freedoms, taxing and inflating them into poverty and running their countries into the ground.

I pray more people start seeing what is happening and ignore all the propaganda & lies. Right across the world we need to demand change and stop electing governments who no matter what colour their rosette is, do nothing to stop this sh*t show reaching it’s inevitable conclusion.
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January 21, 2015 8:43am
Griff

Thanks for the link to the immigration ponzy HJ I have been saying the same thing on here for years.Good to see others have worked it out.
Bringing in immigrants to help pay for the infrastructure we need for today’s population is idiotic.
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January 21, 2015 8:45am
Left Right and Centre

Kirkbride.

Did anyone have trouble reading that name ? Fairly straightforward, was it ?

To you and me perhaps – but not the geniuses who cobble together Nightline. Oh no – they decided to pay tribute to late actress Anne Kirkbride. Yeah, ok. It’s a shame Janika ter Ellen read the name as ‘Anne Kirkbridge’. And then it was a shame that reporter Jesse Peach also said ‘Anne Kirkbridge’.

I didn’t understand what the point was of Jesse Peach talking to random people who had clearly never heard of her – or were fairly indifferent – what their thoughts were about her death.

Shoddy noddys, numpty nobodies. Get it right more of the time or don’t bother at all with your low standards. If Janika or Jesse were my phone a friend options on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire – I’d rather try a Christmas cracker.
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January 21, 2015 8:47am
Dave Mann

@peterwyn: Like to be the driver of a train that kills (etc)

I don’t think I’d actually accelerate at one, but if I had given the little scrote fair warning with my horn then I wouldn’t lose any sleep, honestly. Call me callous, but really, these kids are learning that arrogant disregard for danger means that society will make way for them and protect them from the consequences of their actions. Is this the right message?
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January 21, 2015 8:48am
James Stephenson

Trains of India was my top pick.

I took the train to an away match at Turf Moor once, those trains look much better than British Rail.
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January 21, 2015 8:50am
stephieboy

The Republicans and Fox News unsurprisingly win the 2014 political lie of the year award .This is in relation to the Ebola virus in which they both do what they’re most expert at – spreading lies ,misinformation and fear .

The fact of the mid term congressionals in November and switching on and cranking up the lie and fear machine was no accident ,

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/12/16/republicans-fox-news-win-politifacts-lie-year-award-2014.html
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January 21, 2015 8:51am
hj

Kiwi Dave (107 comments) says:
January 21st, 2015 at 8:40 am

hj, does the treasury really say we need a bigger population? I read the abstract, executive summary and the various conclusions; even the most positive conclusion acknowledged that the evidence was very thin and inconclusive.
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Treasury says “Need a bigger population” WTF?
That should be:
Treasury says “Need a bigger population – WTF!?” meaning it is treasury saying WTF”
as you pointed out Treasury say the evidence on population growth is “not symmetrical” we have had 20 years of population growth and it has bombed on us (although Dime has made a fortune in property).
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January 21, 2015 8:52am
flipper

Religion…
Climate [sic] change….
Immigration et al ….

Nut case subjects that should be confined to their own specific sectional debates.
Why?
Because like many others, I suspect, I am pissed off with hj’s daily immigration crap. The meaningless, but self-serving quotes and links will not make a single positive contribution to the on-going positive development of New Zealand. Like the US, New Zealand is a nation of immigrants. Obviously hj is unaware of that. So hj, take your idiotic postings and start your own blog. At least that is my advice to DPF.
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January 21, 2015 8:52am
oldpark

Heard that Labour Party Bludger a ratbag called Shearer saying the scourge of ISIS on the Western free world’ is not our fight’. Seems the mentioned rat bag, has spent too much time in the UN, and now sitting on his fat arse in NZs parliament sucking off taxpayer funded income, to make cowardly white flag,or is it white feather comments, like he made on Hoskin’s show this very day.
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January 21, 2015 8:54am
stephieboy

EAD, are you like Paul Craig Roberts actually serious about Charlie Hebdo and Kosher Super Market were ” false flag ” attacks ?
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January 21, 2015 8:55am
Redbaiter

Still undecided about the Climate Change con? How about this then-

1700 private jets expected to Davos in Switzerland to discuss climate change at World Economic Forum.

Bunch of liars and hypocrites conning the taxpayers of the world.
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January 21, 2015 8:56am
Griff

Dear dear flipper missing your inane obsession with some weird guy who killed his family.
We know its hard lovey but some topics belong on a political blog like climate change and immigration
Bain Thomas and other murder history is best chucked out it aint politics and other then a few weirdos we dont give a fuck about the murderous nutters.
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January 21, 2015 8:58am
Redbaiter

The left are destroying our civilisation and they’re doing it virtually unopposed.

“The Left’s gravy train derailing “

Maurice Newman

IN the battle for ideas it is now clear the Left controls the commanding heights. In everything from the economy to sport, the prevailing direction is left. After decades of stereotyping, indoctrination and the clever use of language, Western voters have been conditioned to accept the beneficence of the state.

Politically this has set the stage for governments to see “market failure” in everything. It has become an excuse for an avalanche of regulations and regulators and allowed leftist intellectuals to incessantly bash the very essence of “capitalism”.

They have successfully implanted the notion that free market capitalism is synonymous with profiteering, greed, unequal wealth distribution and, the entrenchment of privilege which must be restrained.

Yet there is no competition commissioner to control the predatory actions of the state, or regulator to rein in reckless central bankers.

Voter acquiescence has been bought by both sides of politics, but conservatives everywhere have been politically outsmarted. They are apologetic when they should demand apologies.

Rather than be true to their values, they have too easily rolled over and allowed the Left to set the agenda on economics and social issues, incapable of arguing an internally consistent position. Quite often conservative policies are indistinguishable from their progressive counterparts.

This is a systematic problem, not a grand conspiracy:

It isn’t necessary to engage in conspiracy theory to see how the Left has successfully infiltrated Western political thinking.

It starts with the fertile hearts and minds of the young. Teachers’ colleges, teachers’ unions and education bureaucrats have colluded over time in curriculums setting, gradually shifting the emphasis away from maths and hard science to the softer social sciences and leftist ideology.

The failure of academia and the soft left media:

Multiple examples of the abandonment of scientific rigour and ethics in the interests of political propaganda continue to come to light. Blogger Joanne Nova, (joannenova.com.au) highlights a peer-reviewed leftist paper by psychology professor Stephan Lewandowsky (University of Western Australia), et al, which caused researcher Jose Duarte to be “flummoxed … why a paper so weak was written, but more so why it was ever published …” Yet while demonstrated as containing serious errors, the paper has not been withdrawn. Such is the audacity of the Left.

In similar vein Nova exposes the ABC for telling us that the Bureau of Meteorology claims Queensland has experienced “its worst drought in 80 years”, yet according to the BoM’s own website, the current drought is the worst in only nine years. But a compliant media would rather an inconvenient truth remain untold than spoil the left’s narrative.

Maurice Newman is the chairman of the Prime Minister’s Business Advisory Council. These views are his own.

The Australian

No link as item firewalled.
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January 21, 2015 8:59am
waikatogirl

DaveM: This is just incredible. The trains are stopping for the kids and one was held up for 20 minutes. Why? The trains should just continue.

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I’m with you Dave, the arrogance of stopping trains is blooding incredible. Time to hurricane fence the train bridge (electrify if necessary). Unbelievable!!
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January 21, 2015 9:00am
Redbaiter

We know its hard lovey but some topics belong on a political blog like climate change and immigration
Bain Thomas and other murder history is best chucked out it aint politics

Weird coming from someone who posted something of such a personal nature here yesterday I was appalled. Why would any sane person want to share such a sad and personal circumstance on a public blog?
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January 21, 2015 9:03am
hj

Keeping Stock (9,430 comments) says:
January 21st, 2015 at 8:37 am

@ hj – your links might be relevant to members of New Zealand First and other xenophobic groups, but to the majority of us they are as meaningless as your idol Winston Peters.
…
No, I think it just gets up your nose because it is pointing out how vested interests subvert governments in Aotearoa

There is a danger that a sector of the economy is being augmented that is totally reliant on a
small domestic economy. Not only do these industries have limited potential for per-capita
growth but ‘deriving growth via factor inputs such as labour places pressure on infrastructure
such as transport and land supply, and ultimately have a further negative impact on growth
(ARC 2005). Finally, as the sector gets larger, it gains in lobbying/political strength and can
lobby for immigration regardless if it is the best interests of the economy as a whole. This
could be seen in Canada where the development industry has lobbied hard for high sustained
immigration levels (Ley and Tutchener 2001).

http://kauri.aut.ac.nz:8080/dspace/bitstream/123456789/205/1/clydesdale.GrowingPains.pdf

of course you couldn’t do it without your partners in crime (open border academics, journalists and Labour/Green MP’s).
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January 21, 2015 9:03am
stephieboy

Red baiter, lyou often seem to struggle to discern the difference between parody satire and fact re the 1,700 private jets at Davis , Switzerland !
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January 21, 2015 9:04am
Redbaiter

Nut case subjects that should be confined to their own specific sectional debates.

Check out what the obsessives and chatters are doing to the visits total.
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January 21, 2015 9:12am
Manolo

I await with bated breath the first posting of the day from the slayer of Whale Oil, The Giant Killer from Dunedin, the serene and composed fence-sitter. What will he choose to lecture us on today?
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January 21, 2015 9:13am
dime

The Sun has ditched the Page 3 girls!!!!

Doesnt matter as much now as they are behind a wall.. but for years Dime enjoyed some daily boobs with his 3pm coffee 🙁

I like this page 3 chick: “Page 3 girls have led the backlash against The Sun’s decision to end its topless tradition, claiming the move has been “dictated by comfy shoe-wearing, no bra-wearing, man-haters”.”

“I am very much a feminist. I believe women can do it all and have it all. Women who slag off other women are just jealous and insecure…,” – true that

When was the last time ya saw a smoking hot, feminist crusader?? they may get some actress occasionally to say something, but the front line feminist is nothing but a pig.

They also tend to be dirty, filthy commies.
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January 21, 2015 9:15am
hj

Redbaiter (11,050 comments) says:

With regard the influence of the left, could it be more blatant than this
Xenophobia

Our biology is essentially irrellevant. It is like having a computor, you wouldn’t blame a computor for the programs that are in it would you? The fear doesn’t come from our biological heritage it comes absolutelly one hundred percent from our cultural conditioning.”

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/faceoffear/audio/2550238/racism,-social-conditioning-and-belonging
http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/expertise/profile.cfm?stref=733030
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January 21, 2015 9:15am
mandk

There’s a train theme emerging today (Locomotives of India, kids jumping off the rail bridge in Ngaruawahia, and Redbaiter telling us about the Left’s gravy train derailing).
Spooky.
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January 21, 2015 9:16am
mikenmild

Redbaiter
Didn’t you post that nonsense from Maurice Newman (“I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but…”) in yesterday’s GD? No one cares.
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January 21, 2015 9:18am
publicwatchdog

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Good moaning Kiwibloggers – seen this?

https://theconversation.com/davos-delegates-dont-care-about-inequality-or-your-debt-36511

Davos delegates don’t care about inequality or your debt

Elite retreat. World Economic Forum, CC BY-SA
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The world’s rich and powerful are gathering for the World Economic Forum at the Swiss ski resort of Davos to discuss, and hopefully find solutions to, the world’s economic and social problems. The 45th meeting will be attended by kings, princes, presidents, prime ministers, leading politicians and controllers of large corporations. Amidst mutual back-slapping they will deliver set-piece speeches and soothing words at various seminars and workshops to support solutions to the world’s ecological, economic, security and social problems.

It is right that such events should exist – no nation can solve the problems on its own. In the aftermath of the banking crash and weak economic recovery in Europe, the agenda of the Davos summit is to restore trust in capitalist system and build global institutions for a better future. But this is easier said than done, especially as Davos is often far removed from the concerns of ordinary people.

The grand narrative of previous summits has been that we must not do anything to upset the rich because a nation’s salvation depends not on having a good system of education, healthcare, pensions and transport, but on keeping people happy even though their wealth is built on the sweat and blood of ordinary folk. Economic policies are increasingly formed to appease financial markets where vast amounts are gambled everyday though they produce little tangible economic activity.

In this narrative there is no space for workers, trade unions, industrial democracy, or people who want to live fulfilling lives. Markets are supposed to serve society but people are increasingly forced to dance to their short-term financial tunes. How are governments going to develop long-term economic and social policies? There is little sign that the latest summit will signal a much needed change of direction.

Previous Davos summits have carved out policies for the rich to advance their own interests and done little to check inequalities. Past failures are evident from Oxfam’s latest report which states that very soon 1% of the world’s adult population will own more than the rest. In the UK, the richest 1,000 people have doubled their wealth over the past five years to £519 billion. At the same time, millions of people have seen a real decrease in their income and lack the resources to stimulate the economy. Indeed, rising income inequality in developed economies are forcing even people in paid employment to rely on food banks.

Food banks are booming. Danny Lawson/PA
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Political leaders at Davos will deliver their ritual affirmation for greater economic competition. Yes, competition gives people choices, but its present state is a cause for concern as corporations are frequently able to hold governments to ransom: “give us what we want or we are off” has become a familiar call from companies to discipline governments.

The top 500 transnational corporations control 70% of the worldwide trade, 80% of the foreign investments, one-third of all manufacturing exports, 75% of all commodities trade and 80% of the trade in management and technical services. Only four companies account for between 75% and 90% of the global grain trade. Breaking up these global behemoths and making them accountable to the public is not on the Davos agenda.

Political leaders will talk about tackling public debt, a cue for more austerity, reduction in public expenditure and further privatisation of state-owned enterprises, often at knock-down prices resulting in huge wealth transfers. Even in the western world, the neoliberal experiment for the last 35 years has failed to deliver full employment economic stability or equitable distribution of wealth. Still, politicians won’t rock the boat, though some of the NGOs attending the summit will raise uncomfortable questions.

Despite the financial crisis, western nations remain addicted to light-touch regulation and supremacy of markets. Despite the biggest banking crash, there has been little effective reform of the financial system as governments seem unwilling to upset the financial wheeler and dealers.

Low-interest policy has been used to persuade ordinary people to borrow money and stimulate the economy. Personal debt in the UK alone is around £1.432 trillion, just short of one year’s gross domestic product. What if people can’t repay this? It would be good if Davos leaders could on reflect on the consequences of huge personal debts.

International forums are increasingly essential to solve global problems, but they can’t be addressed by pursuing the interests of the 1%. A radical shift is needed to develop policies that place the interests of the 99% at the heart of the debate.
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Kind regards

Penny Bright
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January 21, 2015 9:19am
James Stephenson

What will he choose to lecture us on today?

If we’re betting, I’ll have a bob each way…
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January 21, 2015 9:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

@hj ” Only a few got the connection between them”

OK, some of us may be the elderly confused… so why run a Mensa test first thing in the morning?
Why don’t you give us a brief account of the connection between your links? .. because I’m afraid you’re starting to get the Penny Bright treatment from my scroll finger.
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January 21, 2015 9:21am
Redbaiter

They also tend to be dirty, filthy commies.

Well said, and like so many similar commies, too stupid to latch on to the simple fact they have been brainwashed by left wing academics and are being used to divide and weaken our society so as to make it easier for communism to rise to power. Perfect examples of Stalin’s “Useful Idiots”.
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January 21, 2015 9:22am
Dennis Horne

@hj. You keep going, hj. Bullies bully and are full of bull.

Edit. Not referring to you, Maggy.
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January 21, 2015 9:23am
Redbaiter

Didn’t you post that nonsense from Maurice Newman (“I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but…”) in yesterday’s GD? No one cares.

Very few are reading at that time of night, just you and a few other boring obsessives.

Good to see these truths at last being expressed in national newspapers and by someone as credible as a Senior Adviser to the Australian Prime Minister.
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January 21, 2015 9:24am
mikenmild

You won’t bother posting comments then.
Admit it, you’re a bit obsessive too!
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January 21, 2015 9:25am
Inandout

Dime: Muslim men were complaining that the sudden sight of naked breasts on page 3 sent them into turmoil.
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January 21, 2015 9:30am
thePeoplesFlag

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Wanted: Cameron Slater. If anyone knows of his whereabouts, please contact your nearest courthouse and let the bailiff know, so that justice may be swiftly served and that no miscreant debt defaulters go unpunished.
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January 21, 2015 9:30am
Redbaiter

Admit it, you’re a bit obsessive too!

I’m “obsessive” about not letting commie pricks like you control everything I do, take all my money and property and otherwise fuck my life up, and anyone with a brain should be likewise “obsessive”.
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January 21, 2015 9:32am
hj

@ Maggy

1. Property Council want the taxpayer/rate payer to fund infrastructure to make housing Saleable
2. A case has to be made for a bigger population NZIER – Shamabeel Eaquab does that. Gets widely reported
3. Treasury examins immigration from a macro economic perspective: they pour cold water on the idea.
4. Michael Reddel (Reserve Bank) has a theory that population growth is much more important than at first thought in leading to our poor economic performance.
5. There is a strangle hold on the media since the open border lobby (academics and journalists) and property industry are dominant.
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January 21, 2015 9:35am
Griff

Joe Nova: claims she is no conspiracy theorist while stating 9/11 was a “building accident”
https://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/2010/05/07/jo-nova-claims-she-is-no-conspiracy-theorist-by-stating-911-was-a-building-accident/
Funny how all the conspiracy nutters are into the denial of science.
The involvement of conspiracist ideation in science denial
http://journal.frontiersin.org/Journal/10.3389/fpsyg.2013.00073/full

Very few are reading at that time of night, just you and a few other boring obsessives.
Kaching
you really should think before you type redbaiter
oh wait.
Just keep on poeing on.
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January 21, 2015 9:36am
waikatogirl

Griff, hope your dad is comfortable.
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January 21, 2015 9:38am
hj

Dennis Horne (2,415 comments) says:
January 21st, 2015 at 9:23 am

@hj. You keep going, hj. Bullies bully and are full of bull.
….
Bullies bully when they take away community involvement and own the media so they can rail road development (with other peoples money – bank, finance company) .
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January 21, 2015 9:40am
Redbaiter

Griff, hope your dad is comfortable.

Here’s a question for you Waikato.

Do you think Kiwiblog should be a place where a few buddies come to exchange personal messages or a place where people come to read wide ranging comments on political and other local and global events?

Which of these two options do you think is most likely to raise the visit numbers?
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January 21, 2015 9:44am
Keeping Stock

Manolo said

I await with bated breath the first posting of the day from the slayer of Whale Oil, The Giant Killer from Dunedin, the serene and composed fence-sitter. What will he choose to lecture us on today?

Pete seems to have had a Road to Damascus experience with The Standard and Greg “mickysavage” Presland Manolo. After several years of dissing The Standard here at every turn, they seem to have become blogging besties, with a common enemy.

Personally, I’m more interested in the cricket now 😀
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January 21, 2015 9:46am
Griff

Wakato redbaiter told me of for posting personal stuff .
as redbaiter nominated himself as hall monitor I better obey.
Red remember a blog called true blue that followed your dictates
it died from a total lack of interest
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January 21, 2015 9:46am
Dennis Horne

Climate change. An increase in CO2, a greenhouse gas, must result in more energy retained by Earth unless there is a mechanism to counter it. If there is, what is it?

I believe there is a problem, how big I don’t know. Chastising and cajoling emitters won’t solve it. Man will need to deal with the consequences. Cutting the population would help. Snip, snip …
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January 21, 2015 9:46am
Keeping Stock

There’s a lot to like about the current New Zealand cricket team. The side is on the ascendancy in test cricket (the format that really matters). And yesterday’s ODI win over Sri Lanka reinforces the depth that has been built in the squad.

Adam Milne’s injury is unfortunate. He was the one who started Sri Lanka’s slide with the wickets of Dilshan and Matthews, and the way he beat Matthews for pace and bounce is precisely why he is in the World Cup team. But knowing that Matt Henry is waiting if a replacement is required gives some comfort. Kyle Mills should be back for the two Dunedin games as well.

And chasing a significant total on a pitch suiting the visitors, there was no panic when McCullum, Guptill and Taylor fell early. Kane Williamson batted superbly, Corey Anderson’s development continues, Grant Elliott’s critics can eat humble pie, and Luke Ronchi’s finishing was explosive. It was a win the team will take great heart from.

Roll on the Cricket World Cup; it’s going to be superb entertainment!
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January 21, 2015 9:48am
Redbaiter

Cutting the population would help. Snip, snip …

So when are all you believers going to start offing yourself en masse?

The arrogance..!!
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January 21, 2015 9:51am
cha

If there is, what is it?

SPICE, ditched in 2012.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/may/16/geoengineering-experiment-cancelled

http://www.spice.ac.uk/
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January 21, 2015 9:52am
Redbaiter

Red remember a blog called true blue that followed your dictates
it died from a total lack of interest

When I was blogging my daily figures were not far away from what you and other loons have reduced the daily count on this blog down to. Only 4000 visits Sat and Sun. Lowest numbers for years.

(BTW, I wasn’t “telling you off”, I was merely high lighting your gross hypocrisy.)
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January 21, 2015 9:53am
hj

A symbol of nationhood is guns facing outwards. How do people feel about the new situation -guns facing inwards?

http://www.hrc.co.nz/?s=Clydesdale&Submit=Go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfUozKMgA-Y
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January 21, 2015 9:56am
Longknives

Page 3 girls gone to ‘appease’ Muslim outrage?
Christ! No more Sam Fox or Maria Whittaker?? (Showing my age..)
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January 21, 2015 9:57am
SGA

Redbaiter at 9:44 am

Do you think Kiwiblog should be a place where a few buddies come to exchange personal messages or a place where people come to read wide ranging comments on political and other local and global events?

Primarily the latter, but it also creates a “community” of individuals so a little of the former is inevitable, I think, and a little of it shouldn’t offend.
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January 21, 2015 9:57am
dime

longknives – its a tragedy.. sam fox.. kirsten imre was always a favourite.. jo guest.. then in later year michelle marsh.. keeley hazell.. there was some other hot bitch i cant remember too haha
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January 21, 2015 9:59am
James Stephenson

Here’s one for everyone who thought our Green Party were complete nutbars…the UK’s Franchise-holders are even worse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/green-party/11356354/Drugs-brothels-al-Qaeda-and-the-Beyonce-tax-the-Green-Party-plan-for-Britain.html

Our lot are keen to ban sugar but the UK’s are going to force you to be a vegetarian, you won’t be able to get a beer at the airport (if you’re there at all, because advertising cheap flights will be banned to stop “promotion of high-carbon lifestyles”) and never mind death duties, they’ll make sure you can’t pass any wealth on to your kids at all.

I hope for my neices and nephews’ sake that the 11% they’re on in the polls is the same hard ceiling of idiot voters we have in NZ.
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January 21, 2015 10:00am
Maggy Wassilieff

@hj 9:35am
Thanks…
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January 21, 2015 10:02am
stephieboy

publicwatchdog, are you really a 9/11 Truther ?
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January 21, 2015 10:02am
Redbaiter

I hope for my neices and nephews’ sake that the 11% they’re on in the polls is the same hard ceiling of idiot voters we have in NZ.

It will be your nieces and nephews who vote green. Read what I posted above by Maurice Newman. The indoctrination going on in public schools is appalling and it sickens me to see a population so willing to kneel and submit to these fucking soviet style child molesters of the mind who control the education system.
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January 21, 2015 10:03am
James Stephenson

It will be your nieces and nephews who vote green.

No chance. They’re all safely outside the public school system.
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January 21, 2015 10:07am
Redbaiter

No chance. They’re all safely outside the public school system.

Good for them, although I have to be concerned about the outcome of having only so few really educated and the greater masses indoctrinated with lies and mistruths. What future can there really be for any society when degenerates and barbarians are the rule rather than the exception?
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January 21, 2015 10:11am
hj

I suppose the Muslims will ban Man next?
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January 21, 2015 10:14am
Keeping Stock

Now we know where DPF disappeared to:

David Farrar @dpfdpf
· 14h 14 hours ago
Made it! Totally exhausted. (@ Uhuru Peak (5895m) @ Kilimanjaro in Machame, Tanzania) https://www.swarmapp.com/c/hZF5uOfO5OB

Well done DPF; slimming down has opened up a whole world of opportunities to you, and good on you for taking them. Looking forward to the photos 😀
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January 21, 2015 10:27am
waikatosinger

Kids have been jumping off that rail bridge in Ngaruawahia since forever. It is a rite of passage for locals. Once something like that starts it is hard to stop. Their parents can’t exactly lecture them about it without beng complete hypocrites. Today’s kids only want to do what mum and dad once did.
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January 21, 2015 10:34am
Nukuleka

Am in Oz at present and just love seeing the Australia Day tv ads that pop up during the changeovers in the tennis. Lovely, quirky, affectionate vignettes of what being an Australian means to various different people. It’s all POSITIVE! Wow! If only we kiwis had a national day that brought us all together and encouraged us to be PROUD of being New Zealanders!
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January 21, 2015 10:35am
Manolo

@Longknives: Was there ever anything wrong with delicious Samantha Fox? 😀
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January 21, 2015 10:36am
dime

“If only we kiwis had a national day that brought us all together and encouraged us to be PROUD of being New Zealanders!”

its just not us. for some reason, we arent a happy people. we struggle to celebrate anything.
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January 21, 2015 10:37am
Ashley Schaeffer

Kids have been jumping off that rail bridge in Ngaruawhahia since forever. It is a rite of passage for locals.

And what about throwing rocks at the train drivers? They sound like a bunch of little obnoxious assholes.
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January 21, 2015 10:39am
Longknives

Nukuleka- Agreed. I often wonder why some people are seemingly so ashamed of this country and it’s History/Culture..
Like this rather strange woman for example-
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/11091816/Why-my-Pakeha-child-goes-to-Kohanga-Reo

I wonder why she doesn’t want her child mixing with European,Pacific Island, Asian kids etc?
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January 21, 2015 10:39am
Dennis Horne

Redbaiter (11,059 comments) says: January 21st, 2015 at 9:51 am
So when are all you believers going to start offing yourself en masse? The arrogance..!!

Why not explain to me why Earth is not retaining more energy instead of going off half-cock?
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January 21, 2015 10:39am
James Stephenson

@Manolo – do you remember her singing career?
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January 21, 2015 10:40am
RF

Manolo & Keeping Stock.

As soon as the Dunedin man of no name & shame is mentioned on this site up pops Penny Bright. Are they related or maybe even the same person.

The mind boggles.
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January 21, 2015 10:44am
Longknives

Manolo-I’ve got plenty of pics I’d like to post (But I might get a telling off)
So you will have to settle for her 1986 smash hit ‘Touch Me’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD33AxebRAg
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January 21, 2015 10:44am
Nigel Kearney

I think that schools, public or not, will always be well to the left of mainstream society. People with education and ability can earn more elsewhere, so the schools get people with education and lesser ability. Maybe with much larger classes we could afford to pay enough to attract better people to the teaching profession but that’s unlikely to happen.

It is the job of parents to teach values and negate any nonsense they pick up at school. My girls go to state schools and like to eat meat and shoot guns. If they get a book from school about little disabled Hinemoa growing organic vegetables with the help of her two mummies and bisexual guinea pig, they just blast through it then go back to King Arthur or Biggles. Over dinner we discuss what they did at school that day and do any deprogramming if required.

Ultimately parents have control. A mediocre school cannot overcome good parenting and a good school cannot compensate for lousy parenting.
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January 21, 2015 10:46am
Manolo

Michael Moore is piece of trash and a traitor to the United States, someone who deserves every bit of criticism: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/01/20/medal-honor-recipient-dakota-meyer-blasts-michael-moores-sniper-comments/
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January 21, 2015 10:47am
Longknives

“If they get a book from school about little disabled Hinemoa growing organic vegetables with the help of her two mummies and bisexual guinea pig..”

Absolutely nobody is going to top that little gem today!
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January 21, 2015 10:49am
Ashley Schaeffer

Like this rather strange woman for example-
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/11091816/Why-my-Pakeha-child-goes-to-Kohanga-Reo

Just another left-wing flake. ‘Stuff Nation’ is teeming with them.
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January 21, 2015 10:51am
dime

Manolo – saw his comments yesterday. Snipers are cowards..

giant fat slobs like him are weak people with no self control.
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January 21, 2015 10:51am
Ashley Schaeffer

“Snipers are cowards” – yep, because Michael Moore would definitely be the type to lead an infantry charge.

Maybe if they were charging to the buffet table. Boom.
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January 21, 2015 10:53am
dime

Longknives – you sonofabitch! last time i click a link from you.

some disgusting, ugly, hippie moves to NZ, adopts the plight of the maori and then writes an article about herself to tell us how great she is and how bad we have treated the bros over the years.. a woman who named her poor child fern and of course has the double barreled surname.

i suspect waxing is not something she spends time on *shudder*
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January 21, 2015 10:55am
Fletch

I think that schools, public or not, will always be well to the left of mainstream society.

I think that is why parents are jostling each other to get their kids into religious schools. In our parish, typically they try to reserve the bulk of places for children who are actually Catholic (it is a Catholic school), but they do reserve a certain number of places for children who aren’t Catholic, and try to be as accommodating as possible. It is a Catholic school though.

I think parents (religious or not) are sick and tired of all the liberal b/s that gets pushed in secular schools though.
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January 21, 2015 10:55am
Manolo

Traitorous Michael Moore can count on stephieboy’s support. Two progressives made for each other. Guaranteed.
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January 21, 2015 10:59am
Fletch

@ Snipers – I see the movie American Sniper is doing very, very well – breaking records even, while Selma (produced by Oprah) is sinking. Liberals hate this. Movies like Sniper go against their tendency to pander to other cultures while disparaging America. They think America and Americans should feel guilty for colonialism etc etc.

I note also that movie actor Seth Rogan has got in trouble for comparing the sniper in the movie to Nazis.
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January 21, 2015 10:59am
simpleton1

Ngaruawahia, rail bridge.

Just how much would it cost to string a cable, maybe plus a plank to the old obsolete piers of a previous bridge alongside the road bridge and the rail bridge, so the kids can jump/dive from there to the river their swim.and still just as challenging.

Surely would be for the brave and fool hardy, and keep them from the blocking the trains.

If there was a demand and after due consideration (perhaps a waiver for the indigenous) to the RMA act and Accident Health and Safety and Osh it could also turn into a good tourist draw card, for passengers on the trains, and a park up area for a viewing platform and then adventuresome tourists too, who could possibly contribute to the locals for being guides, and being ready to resuscitate any jumpers that have a bad landing in the water.

Surely a great business opportunity and draw card for Ngaruawahia, as so many towns want some feature to be known for.
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January 21, 2015 11:02am
dime

@ fletch – huge opening weekend for american sniper.

hollywood tried a couple of anti-iraq war movies.. they bombed. good to see.

not sure how well the movie will do in the middle east..
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