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January 14, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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waikatogirl

The thought occured to me, in those days we used to hold out our hand to get the strap.

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2 young boys in my class were on notice that they were to be strapped. They had the bright idea to put water on their hand thinking it would help with the pain. It didn’t !
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January 14, 2015 6:50pm
Richard II

Now, now. No one is attacking the kids (although they are both adults now, really). I had a look at The Standard and the point was quite clearly made by the author that the post was about the media buying into John Key’s facilitators allowing his kids to be a part of his media machine.

David Cunliffe has two children. Phil Goff has three.

Key has two. Brash has three but just as many marriages and several more affairs. Blinglish? Well he’s Catholic…

So, in the last ten years there have been 5 children of each of the major party leaders.
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January 14, 2015 7:00pm
OneTrack

Oops, I had forgotten about Phil Goff. But there was nothing about Cunliffe having kids so I assumed he didn’t have any :-(.

Not that I blame him though – I would keep the kids out of the public eye too.
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January 14, 2015 7:06pm
Lucia Maria

EAD,

“Usually Muslim terrorists are prepared to die in the attack; yet the two professionals who hit Charlie Hebdo were determined to escape and succeeded, an amazing feat”

I’ve read the interview (sorry, can’t remember where) with the man who made the brothers coffee before they died. He asked them if he could call the police and they let him. They expected to die in that final confrontation and eventually let him go before it happened.
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January 14, 2015 7:12pm
nasska

cricko

There were certain things to be said for corporal punishment & one of them was that the punishment was about instant & once it was done it was over. Same as training dogs. If you can catch them at it they cop it but I’ve actually seen half wits tie a dog up at the end of the day & lay into it with a length of alkathene for something it did before morning smoko. Kids or pups…. they’ve got to know why they’re copping it.

It wasn’t surprising that my boarding school days included a fair bit of time waiting for correction in the corridor outside the staffroom. It all came to an end when early in my sixth form year I went a bit further over the top than usual & was informed that I would be caned & expelled. I thought “bugger this” & told the Very Rev principal that I would break the cane in half & jam it up his arse.

So ended my formal education. 🙂
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January 14, 2015 7:16pm
Lucia Maria

Calendar Girl,

I’ve got to agree with Manolo and others, Lucia. Over time, your son is much more likely to value his merits in maths, and what that academic strength will bring to his life and career. As for media studies, it’s at best a lottery if his objective is securing entry into the media as a potential career.

Yes, he will value his merit in maths, most definitely. As I have said in another comment, he wants to make a career in computer science. The Media Studies was always done just for fun, and with the eventual aim of doing the film aspect in Year 13, and it has been helpful for his writing. Film is also a subject he’s done for fun – not for long term career prospects.

The only annoying thing is that he can’t do Physics. He told me he was sick in Year 10 and 11 when his classes did Physics. So, he was unable to choose it in Year 12. A number of Computer Science courses in university require it – I think the more robotics oriented ones. I haven’t quite figured out what to do about this or whether to worry about it.

I wish your son well as he pursues higher education. His aptitude for maths is a wonderful asset to have at the outset of any modern youngster’s career.

Thank you, I appreciate it, and the concern that you voiced in your comment.
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January 14, 2015 7:26pm
cricko

A degree in media studies is about as usefull as a degree in psycology.

Half the people who take psycology are really there to try and figure out what is wrong
with themself.
Dunno why you would take media studies but.

Jeez nasska,
you must have been incorrigable, can’t recall many kids getting the cane by the time we got to
the sixth form. Surely you wern’t sprung interfearing with yourself. ( just joking)
Your observations about corporal punishment are spot on. It is a matter of degree.
I bet that poor sod in Saudi who is getting 1000 lashes for writing the wrong shit on the internet wont be
offending again for a while. 50 every Friday for the next 19 weeks. That’ll teach him.
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January 14, 2015 7:52pm
mikenmild

I would hope that the people taking ‘psycology’ at least learn to spell the word psychology. Lots of insights into human behaviour can be gained from a knowledge of psychology.
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January 14, 2015 8:03pm
waikatogirl

Nukuela: What is it about John Key and his family that drives the left so nuts? It couldn’t be envy, could it?

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We had a little of that with the MSM and Jenny Shipley and her family when she was PM.

Lefty MSM disparaging normal families
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January 14, 2015 8:04pm
mikenmild

Of course Helen Clark never had to put up with any nonsense about her family life, did she? Politicians’ public profiles inevitably draws some attention to their families.
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January 14, 2015 8:14pm
itstricky

Lefty MSM disparaging normal families

AHA! I always knew all lefties were lesbian couples who spent three years practicising free love whilst in simultaneously reading up on Woman’s suffrage and growing beards. Oh, and consuming vast quanties of drugs. Of all varities. Yes, the intravenous ones as well.

Thanks for clearing that one up for me.
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January 14, 2015 8:16pm
itstricky

One downtick already? C’mon people, it’s satire. Freedom of speech, ‘n’ all that?
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January 14, 2015 8:18pm
Griff

Dog breeds display differing traits that are obliviously genetic .
I can not see any objection to the idea that human genetics also have psychological traits inherent in its gene pools.
Nurture and nature both play a roll in our individual Psychology .
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January 14, 2015 8:19pm
cricko

mikenmild,

You really are smart arse prat.
You just can’t help yourself can you you little prick.
(did I spell prick rite tit ?)
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January 14, 2015 8:22pm
itstricky

You really are smart arse prat.

Or you could just take it on the chin and smile? Hard day?
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January 14, 2015 8:24pm
mikenmild

Sorry cricko, but we all make silly spelling misatkes from time to time.
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January 14, 2015 8:25pm
waikatogirl

It sticky: Thanks for clearing that one up for me.
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I never mentioned lesbians. You did. I was speaking of National PM’s. I didn’t know JK was a lesbian! (sarc)
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January 14, 2015 8:29pm
itstricky

Go on then, I’ll bite – tell me just how and why the MSM would disparage normal families…
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January 14, 2015 8:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@hj: 6;21; 6.28… I think we are traveling along parallel lines that aren’t going to meet.

I have dealt with the oxytocin studies above by basically stating that 1 swallow does not make a summer.
Did you look at the Goldfinch thesis? If you did then you might see that a lot more studies need to be made to draw decent conclusions from any evolutionary psychology study.

If we consider the effect of oxytocin levels on “in/out” group dynamics,. for instance… try De Dreu’s expts in reverse….. 40 Arab men as the in group and use Dutch and German names as the “out” groups;, then 40 German men as the in group and Dutch & Arab names as the outliers. Would results be the same?
Would results be different if females only were used?
Would the results be different if males & females mixed were used? What would be the results if a comparable study was carried out in hunter-gather societies? What would happen if the study was carried out between Koreans/japanese and Chinese (3 groups with twisted histories)?
What results would you get with children? with the elderly? with mixed-age groups?
How do levels of brain oxytocin vary across ages?
How do levels of oxytocin vary in response to other hormonal blips (adrenalin rushes/ melatonin cycles) etc, etc….. so many questions, that must be answered before you have a decent theory about the evolutionary history of oxytocin control of human group behaviour.

I could do the same with the Robert Putnam study. Would the results be similar in Taipei (fair mix of Chinese ethnicities); or Honolulu; or
Auckland or Mumbai or my little Gisborne. I.e. in Putman’s study we have an overriding USA story…. to be applicable to all of humanity, his thesis needs to be tested in other cultural frameworks.

and finally… thank you for your polite responses in this contretemps.
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