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January 10, 2015 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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stephieboy

Inandout, turned to dust ? Well your claim doesn’t appear to move our Muslim brethren in Wellington if in fact your claim is actually true .
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January 11, 2015 10:25am
Gulag1917

No go zone Birmingham UK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLAhC8DqiIA
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January 11, 2015 10:34am
Reid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK8wZd6YUw0
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January 11, 2015 10:57am
Reid

How funny. One assumes the “mystery” downticker wishes that even more per minute were spent on war? Weapons-grade village idiot? Of course they are.
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January 11, 2015 11:12am
Kimbo

@ Gulag1917

No go zone Birmingham UK

A non-event. Can I have my eight minutes back, please 🙂

If it is really a “no-go zone”, then how come they are filming there?!

Nothing different to what you would find to any district where a particular immigrant group of any persuasion congregates. Is a natural social phenomena. Happened in Brixton in London with Caribbean immigrants from the 1950s onwards, and here in New Zealand too such as Ponsonby – originally Irish Catholics in the 19th Century, then with Pacific Islanders from the 1960s, and then with another distinct social group, as a “gay” suburb from approximately the 1990s on.

Also writting on the street sign at 2:34 is almost certainly not Arabic. Most likely Urdu at a guess.

Just saying…
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January 11, 2015 11:31am
EAD

Not all of us Reid – some of us realise that Islam is being used as a means to an end. I mean if the sheeple even asked why it is that the fiercest promoters of the homosexual agenda and radical feminism also support hardline Islam? Surely to hold these views are incompatible but that is what cognitive dissonance is all about.

It is how the same people have turned the Charlie Hedbo into an issue of free speech (to distract from the fact it is a radical Islam issue) yet they’re the same useful idiots who true to curtail our free speech with things like “hate speech laws” and the promotion of memes like “global warming denier” or “conspiracy theorist” in order to shut down debate.

I only hope that when the shit really hits the fan, the human population doesn’t turn on each other and instead goes on those elites who promote discord.

PS: Do you think anyone will watch your video?
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January 11, 2015 11:47am
mikenmild

I won’t watch his video. Too many of Reid’s videos encompass distasteful anti-semitic themes. I gave up on him when he proudly showed one that demonstrated how nice the German camps in WWII were in comparison with those operated by their Soviet counterparts.

BTW, how do you think yourself and Reid have managed to develop the discernment to avoid being taken in like the rest of up ‘sheeple’?
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January 11, 2015 12:02pm
Reid

I deleted it since I couldn’t be arsed engaging in a debate with people like mm, EAD. Debating with intelligent people who disagree with you is fun but debating with idiots is just annoying because they go off on irrelevant tangents and can’t grasp the main point because they’re not capable of holding more than one idea in their head at the same time and even when you repeat the main point for them time after time they still hold fast to the tangent like a dog returning to its own vomit. And today, I just can’t be bothered with that.

I only hope that when the shit really hits the fan, the human population doesn’t turn on each other and instead goes on those elites who promote discord.

I hope that too but we can both see it’s not going to happen on present trajectory. No we’re heading down the nihilistic soul and spiritual destruction path alright and it’s just going to get worse and worse and worse. For the sheeple.
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January 11, 2015 12:09pm
wat dabney

“Paris shootings: Family of murdered French Muslim policeman, Ahmed Merabet, pay tribute to ‘loving man’”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11337923/Paris-shootings-Family-of-murdered-French-Muslim-policeman-Ahmed-Merabet-pay-tribute-to-loving-man.html

The Jews don’t do things by half when it comes to their evil conspiracies, do they.

Remember, Reid forensically examined the footage for us and assured us that this killing was a fake (basically it doesn’t look like stuff he’s seen sitting at home in his pants watching Hollywood movies.)

Yet here we are, faced with a “grieving family.”

Nice try, Jews.
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January 11, 2015 12:29pm
Gulag1917

Kimbo
“No go zone Birmingham UK
A non-event. Can I have my eight minutes back, please :)”

One indication of a no go zone, you cannot walk alone through an area without getting abused and the faeces beaten out of you
There are places in NZ like that.
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January 11, 2015 12:31pm
Reid

Yet here we are, faced with a “grieving family.”

You don’t know ~~much~~ anything about false flags, do you wat.

It’d be pretty durn suspicious if they didn’t have a grieving family and a funeral probably with Hollande and the National Police Commissioner in attendance too, wouldn’t it.

Why if that didn’t happen, even sheeple like you might start putting 2+2 together, after much brow-furrowing and probably around a ream of paper scribblings as you worked it all out.
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January 11, 2015 12:47pm
stephieboy

Reid, you don’t know anything about false flags especially because we are constantly short changed by EAD, UT and you on the actual factual evidence.All you do is sidestep and spuriously tell us to google for it.

Your latest debacle on the Paris massacres illustates this perfectly.

The Muslim police officer Ahmen Meabat a Mossad plant ?
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January 11, 2015 1:00pm
mikenmild

Best to leave them in their own bewildered world, stephieboy. They are immune to the normal processes of reason.
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January 11, 2015 1:17pm
Kimbo

@ Gulag1917

One indication of a no go zone, you cannot walk alone through an area without getting abused and the faeces beaten out of you
There are places in NZ like that.

Maybe so, although what in your video confirmed it was the case with the district in question? Especially considering it didn’t happen to the cameramen.
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January 11, 2015 1:18pm
wat dabney

Reid,

I know I’m going to regret this, but can you explain to the rest of us – the ovine masses not nearly as clever as you – why the evil Jewish conspirators would fake the death of a supposed Muslim policeman, “killed” defending the very satirists who criticised Islam.

It has, after all, become a unifying light in all this and profoundly demonstrated the essential fact that the killers do not represent Muslims or Islam.
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January 11, 2015 1:24pm
Reid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrpjOLPuxrg

It’s about Nazis mm, so you shouldn’t watch it.
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January 11, 2015 1:46pm
mikenmild

That’s right, I won’t. I think I explained the other day my approach to reading or watching random things from the internet.
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January 11, 2015 1:51pm
stephieboy

As to logic, reason and commonsense Reid is not exactly the sharpest in that department ,
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January 11, 2015 2:06pm
Reid

why the evil Jewish conspirators would fake the death of a supposed Muslim policeman, “killed” defending the very satirists who criticised Islam.

Wat this is a similar question to the one I asked which no-one has yet answered as to why the evil Muslims would go and commit a terrorist act in Paris at the every time the French legislature was recognising Palestine as a state and thus allowing Palestine to take poor widdle Iswael to The Hague for war crimes.

When someone answers that I might possibly answer yours.

And here’s another video about even more Nazis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aMYvNCXA_I
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January 11, 2015 2:09pm
wat dabney

Reid,

You avoid the question.

Can you explain to the rest of us why the evil Jewish conspirators would fake the death of a supposed Muslim policeman, “killed” defending the very satirists who criticised Islam.

It has, after all, become a unifying light in all this and profoundly demonstrated the essential fact that the killers do not represent Muslims or Islam.
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January 11, 2015 2:24pm
Reid

Reid,

You avoid the question.

No I didn’t wat I merely asked for you or someone else to answer the question I asked yesterday and when you or someone else does that I’ll answer yours. That’s not avoiding a question but that fact you think gives me a clue to understanding why you don’t seem to understand much about this issue or indeed from your past comments, most other issues.
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January 11, 2015 2:30pm
stephieboy

Reid, you code language for I simply don’t know.

DUH !
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January 11, 2015 2:33pm
wat dabney

Reid,

When you ignore all the evidence which blows great holes in your theories, preferring instead to exclusively consider stuff which you suppose to be accordance with those ideas, then, as you demonstrate all too often and too clearly, you end up believing all sorts of irrational nonsense.

So, again, can you explain to the rest of us why the evil Jewish conspirators would fake the death of a supposed Muslim policeman, “killed” defending the very satirists who criticised Islam.

It has, after all, become a unifying light in all this and profoundly demonstrated the essential fact that the killers do not represent Muslims or Islam.
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January 11, 2015 3:18pm
Reid

wat, you seem particularly excited about what to me is a mundane, trivial and meaningless question but if you want an answer to it I’ll give you an answer, but not until you answer the one I asked yesterday.

How many times do I have to explain that to you?

(I’m guessing I’ll probably have to do it about fifty more times, before you finally get it. Does that sound about right?)
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January 11, 2015 3:45pm
wat dabney

Reid,

Your replies have been all too eloquent in their evasiveness, mate.

Sorry to have upset you with my awkward line of questioning. Of course it was the Jews or the Illuminati or aliens or whatever. Ooh, they make me so mad.
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January 11, 2015 3:57pm
Griff

You forgot those evil scientists wat at the Royall; society of science and NASA
You are a bit of a conspirowhacky as well wat
Why do you argue against say nasa with a blog site ?
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Tell us wat we like a good conspiracy. Why dont you trust all the official sites like NASA, NIWA The World Meteorological Society, etc instead trust something you found on the web?

1. Initiated on the basis of limited, partial or circumstantial evidence;
Conceived in reaction to media reports and images, as opposed to, for example, thorough knowledge of the relevant forensic evidence.

2. Addresses an event or process that has broad historical or emotional impact;
Seeks to interpret a phenomenon which has near-universal interest and emotional significance, a story that may thus be of some compelling interest to a wide audience.

3. Reduces morally complex social phenomena to simple, immoral actions;
Impersonal, institutional processes, especially errors and oversights, interpreted as malign, consciously intended and designed by immoral individuals.

4. Personifies complex social phenomena as powerful individual conspirators;
Related to (3) but distinct from it, deduces the existence of powerful individual conspirators from the ‘impossibility’ that a chain of events lacked direction by a person.

5. Allots superhuman talents or resources to conspirators;
May require conspirators to possess unique discipline, unrepentant resolve, advanced or unknown technology, uncommon psychological insight, historical foresight, unlimited resources, etc.

6. Key steps in argument rely on inductive, not deductive reasoning;
Inductive steps are mistaken to bear as much confidence as deductive ones.

Appeals to ‘common sense’;
Common sense steps substitute for the more robust, academically respectable methodologies available for investigating sociological and scientific phenomena.

7. Exhibits well-established logical and methodological fallacies;
Formal and informal logical fallacies are readily identifiable among the key steps of the argument.

8. Is produced and circulated by ‘outsiders’, often anonymous, and generally lacking peer review;
Story originates with a person who lacks any insider contact or knowledge, and enjoys popularity among persons who lack critical (especially technical) knowledge.

9. Is upheld by persons with demonstrably false conceptions of relevant science;
At least some of the story’s believers believe it on the basis of a mistaken grasp of elementary scientific facts.

10. Enjoys zero credibility in expert communities;
Academics and professionals tend to ignore the story, treating it as too frivolous to invest their time and risk their personal authority in disproving.

11. Rebuttals provided by experts are ignored or accommodated through elaborate new twists in the narrative;
When experts do respond to the story with critical new evidence, the conspiracy is elaborated (sometimes to a spectacular degree) to discount the new evidence, often incorporating the rebuttal as a part of the conspiracy.’
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January 11, 2015 4:28pm
wat dabney

Oh dear Griff,

The problem, as ever, is that the promised global warming never happened.

What does it tell us about your religious devotion to the cause that you try to label this simple statement of fact a ‘conspiracy theory’?

By all means keep re-posting your list of ‘experts’ who assured everyone that the Titanic was unsinkable. For my part I’ll simply counter each time with the ‘conspiracy theory’ that that vessel did in fact founder.

As I have pointed out to you repeatedly, Griff, the rush is on to explain the complete failure of the global warming alarmists (without at any time conceding that the sceptics were correct):

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/11/list-of-excuses-for-the-pause-in-global-warming-is-now-up-to-52/
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January 11, 2015 5:22pm
Griff

OH dear wat still going to conspirohacky sites
still trying to disprove the statements of every major scientific body in the world with crap from blog sites
As I just pointed out wat you are even whacker than ried
at lest he knows he is a conspiracy nut

8. Is produced and circulated by ‘outsiders’, often anonymous, and generally lacking peer review;
Story originates with a person who lacks any insider contact or knowledge, and enjoys popularity among persons who lack critical (especially technical) knowledge.

Hows Mr Watts failed paper going ?
still hasn’t been published after three years wat
because once it was corrected for the obvious errors the hand picked sites he chose confirm global warming.

Warmest year on record.
2014
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January 11, 2015 7:22pm
wat dabney

Oh dear Griff.

Apparently the UK Met office is in on the conspiracy, because here they are discussing the warming “hiatus” which you confidently assure us doesn’t exist:

“The recent pause in warming”
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/news/recent-pause-in-warming

And NASA is also in on the conspiracy, here try to explain away the haitus you tell us doesn’t exist:

‘Hiatus’ in rise of Earth’s surface air temperature likely temporary ‘
http://climate.nasa.gov/news/1141/

And the Royal Meteorological Society is certainly in on the conspiracy:

“Has Global Warming Stalled?”
http://www.rmets.org/weather-and-climate/climate/has-global-warming-stalled

Ben Santer, at the heart of the global warming alarmism has a paper offering his own explanation for the hiatus:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/01/09/ben-santer-tries-to-explain-the-pause-in-global-warming/

These (and other) organisations are all rushing to provide competing explanations for the complete failure of the warming predicted by the global warming theory. Yet our Griff assures us that there is nothing to explain; that they must be part of some huge conspiracy to discredit the theory.

Even James Hansen, also at the heart of global warming alarmism, has conceded the hiatus:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/16/quote-of-the-week-hansen-concedes-the-age-of-flatness/

Apparently he is now part of some conspiracy theory to discredit the global warming theory.

Remember, you heard it here first. From Griff.
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January 11, 2015 9:20pm
Griff

Wat its 2015.
last year 2014 was the warmest ever in the temperature record
some flat line matey
from your links
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/news/recent-pause-in-warming

The final paper shows that the recent pause in global surface temperature rise does not materially alter the risks of substantial warming of the Earth by the end of this century. Nor does it invalidate the fundamental physics of global warming, the scientific basis of climate models and their estimates of climate sensitivity.

http://climate.nasa.gov/news/1141/

Is global warming coming to a halt?

According to Norman Loeb, an atmospheric scientist at NASA’s Langley Research Center in Hampton, Virginia, and the principal investigator of a space-borne sensor called the Clouds and Earth’s Radiant Energy System, or CERES, the answer is almost certainly no.
http://www.rmets.org/weather-and-climate/climate/has-global-warming-stalled

“Heating is still going on,” he said. “It’s just not in terms of the surface air temperature.”

So the current hiatus in surface warming is a transient and global warming has not gone away: there is a continuing radiative imbalance at the top of atmosphere. But the global warming is manifested in a number of ways.

All three of your links say the same thing global warming has not stopped .

then there is WUWT a blog who has some pretty whacky claims on his site see conspiracy post above

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A whackadoddle blog site wat just like reid goes to WUWT just proves how much of a conspiracy nutter you are
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January 11, 2015 9:45pm
deadrightkev

“So Gareth Morgan is an ‘Expert’ on Race Relations now as well?
Is there anything this guy doesn’t know?”

Yes, he knows nothing much about NZ history based on his articles. He either has consulted the Waitangi Tribunal for his facts or he has not bothered to do an audit trail on the source documents that NZ was founded on. I would suggest he has consulted with auntie Huia for his fact which were passed down from generation to generation.
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