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December 8, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 8 December 2014

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Redbaiter

“How many with your usual bile like you have been spurting for the last decade ?”

Whatever, at least its not communist propaganda from the Albert Shanker Institute and the American Teachers Union like you just quoted. What a know-nothing Google driven f/wit.
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December 8, 2014 9:18pm
nasska

The halos of the dictators of Singapore must be drooping a little. This exemplar of a conservative paradise seems to have a casual approach to the welfare of those who oppose their political masters.

….”Other prisoners, particularly those from working class backgrounds, have been subjected to physical torture during interrogation. Beatings are all too common and a much used method of obtaining information is to continually douse the prisoner in cold water while he is being questioned in the air-conditioned interrogation room. In recent years, electric shock treatment has also been employed to torture prisoners, including female detainees. Prisoners in the Moon Crescent Detention Centre have from time to time been removed to Whitley Road Holding Centre for interrogation, where they have been subjected to ill-treatment and torture.”….

Ref: http://singaporerebel.blogspot.co.nz/2007/02/life-in-singapores-political-prisons.html

Now I’m more than happy to accept that there may be bias & the accounts of the prisoners have not been witnessed or verified by a panel of High Court judges. I do however, reject the coming assertion that they are a work of fiction written by Marxist, homosexual progs who hate Baby Jesus & want to undermine Western civilisation.
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December 8, 2014 9:19pm
publicwatchdog

No Milkenmild – I asked DIRECTLY – and still haven’t got a straight answer to the straight question from John Key, is he also a US citizen?

Penny Bright
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December 8, 2014 9:19pm
Griff

communist propaganda
loony alert
https://www.freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press/2013/singapore#.VIVgMGfDVEM
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December 8, 2014 9:28pm
Nookin

Given that the idea of a cartoon is only arguably offensive, I guess that we have to assume that you are not unduly phased by the idea.

Why don’t you give a straight answer, Penny?

Think it’s a joke, do you?

What is the difference between your subliminal thoughts and the rant of that Baptist pastor, Penny?
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December 8, 2014 9:29pm
renderer

Penny I believe the question was what made you THINK John Key had acquired US citizenship not who or what you had asked.
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December 8, 2014 9:29pm
nasska

Griff

From your link:

….”Internet use is widespread in Singapore, accessed by about 74 percent of the population in 2012. It is believed to have played a significant role in informing voters ahead of the 2011 parliamentary elections, in which the ruling PAP received its lowest vote share since the country’s independence, as well as providing a space for alternative or dissenting views.‪”….

They’re probably working on a clampdown on internet freedom now…..after all it worked in China.
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December 8, 2014 9:32pm
Nookin

Here is a question:

Who said this

“How about ‘cutting the (personal) crap’ and debating the ISSUES?”

and promptly resorted to calling anyone who disagrees with said person “stupid”?
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December 8, 2014 9:36pm
Griff

Already been done nasska
Change in Singapore media law could restrict Internet freedom
IPI urges Singaporean authorities to re-consider website licensing policies

By: Sasu Siegelbaum, IPI Contributor

VIENNA June 6, 2013 — Following Singapore’s announcement that it will implement a new policy requiring individual licences for news websites with at least 50,000 unique views a month, IPI urged authorities in the Southeast Asian city-state to re-consider the licensing system and ensure that any laws affecting the media are in full respect of international standards in this area.

On May 28, Singapore’s media regulatory body, The Media Development Authority (MDA), announced that from June 1, “online news sites will require an individual licence from the Media Development Authority (MDA) if they (i) report an average of at least one article per week on Singapore’s news and current affairs over a period of two months, and (ii) are visited by at least 50,000 unique IP addresses from Singapore each month over a period of two months.”

These licenses will also carry a 50,000-Singapore dollar (US $39,500) “performance bond” and an obligation to remove content that the MDA considers to be in violation of their standards within 24 hours. The MDA Internet Code of Practice considers “prohibited content” any “content that undermines racial or religious harmony.”
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December 8, 2014 9:37pm
nasska

The public watchdog is probably just a bit emotional Nookin. 🙂
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December 8, 2014 9:38pm
publicwatchdog

Nookin – as usual – you’re FULL OF IT.

Green MP Gareth Hughes did not make a joke about killing the Prime Minister – he retweeted a cartoon Sharon Murdoch had made.

Penny Bright
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December 8, 2014 9:41pm
nasska

Freedom from progressives in order to maintain a perfect one party state of capitalist conservatism carries a hefty price tag Griff.
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December 8, 2014 9:41pm
All_on_Red

Ever repeated a joke someone made and laughed at it Penny?
You’re really wriggling now.
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December 8, 2014 9:43pm
Griff

Redbaiter google is the way modern people access information.
it requires a degree of critical thinking skills.
sadly yours are distinctly lacking.
I have read the autobiography of the dear leader of Singapore
I found his ideas distinctly un democratic.
I can see the use when there was a threat in the early years sadly the control is not necessary except to continue the power of a very few very wealthy individuals.
I also think the fact that over 25% of the population is denied basic human rights distasteful.
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December 8, 2014 9:44pm
renderer

Penny on any issue whatsoever, have you ever thought on this issue I may be wrong?
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December 8, 2014 9:45pm
Nostradamus

Beware of the Siren:

In Greek mythology, the Sirens (Greek singular: Σειρήν Seirēn;[1] Greek plural: Σειρῆνες Seirēnes) were dangerous yet beautiful creatures, portrayed as femmes fatales who lured nearby sailors with their enchanting music and voices to shipwreck on the rocky coast of their island.
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Yes folks – engaging with Penny is likely to result in an even less satisfying experience than scratching your balls with Scotch-Brite – the shipwreck is a metaphor for another fucked up GD thread.
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December 8, 2014 9:47pm
publicwatchdog

I think I’ve made quite an effort to debate the issues Nookin, and raised matters others have not.

However, don’t expect me to be Mother Theresa.

If I’m confronted with what I consider to be WILFUL STUPIDITY – I’ll call it.

I understand some of you more pompous old boyz seem to have a bit of a problem with ‘Women’s Lip’ – but that’s your problem – not mine.

Seems that some of you can dish it – but you can’t take it?

C’mon boyz – HARDEN UP!

(As it were …… meant of course in a caring way 🙂

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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December 8, 2014 9:51pm
All_on_Red

Oh look, Penny’s playing the mysogeny card. No argument left huh.
Gareth Hughes is nasty and vile and wallows in dirty politics. The Greens are hypocrites.
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December 8, 2014 9:57pm
Nookin

Emotion is a scary response to to a debate such as this, especially when it reflects denial of any contrary view, Nasska.
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December 8, 2014 9:58pm
mikenmild

When do you think John Key became a US citizen, Penny?
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December 8, 2014 9:59pm
publicwatchdog

I think Sharon Murdoch’s cartoon is very appropriate.

My understanding of the point she is making is that if NZ joins Australia in some form of ANZUS alliance together with the US, with ‘boots on the ground’ – then the chances are that NZ troops will be shot.

I see the cartoonist depicting both Australian and NZ Prime Ministers as representing their respective countries.

If I did the tweeting thing – I too would retweet this cartoon.

There you go Nookin – happy with that?

Let me have a wild guess …… probably not?

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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December 8, 2014 10:04pm
Nookin

She doesn’t really think that, mikenmild. She dislikes him so intensely that she made up the suggestion so that she could argue that he is a traitor. A bit like her argument that Key was looking after Israel’s interests and not ours over the Goff issue. Another fabrication? Seems to be more room to argue that this was a slight on Key’s heritage than anything anyone here has said is sexist.
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December 8, 2014 10:07pm
Nookin

No, Penny. That does not make me happy. I have just posted a couple of illustrations of your irrational hostility toward Key. Now you endorse a cartoon singling him out to be shot. Has your ego taken a bump recently Penny? Trying to get back on the SIS books? Maybe make yourself feel important again?
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December 8, 2014 10:11pm
publicwatchdog

Ahhhh…..

EXCELLENT – the learned Nookin is gumming up a storm – a sure sign that I’m on the right track 🙂

You don’t cop the flak unless you’re over the target – sort of thing?

Keep going …..

You have NO idea how much you’re making my night – you old silly billy 😉

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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December 8, 2014 10:51pm
calendar girl

P Bright @ 8:43pm – “I’ve already posted on Kiwiblog that I do NOT support asset sales by Christchurch City Council.”

None of your business, Penny. You don’t pay rates there either.
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December 8, 2014 11:02pm
Shawn Herles

EAD,

“do you think you’re really that important that we have to read post after post after post of your mindless drivel?”

You don’t have to read anything. Nobody is forcing you to do so. And someone who thinks Henry Makow is a legitimate source is in no position to talk about drivel.

“(or as Redbaiter put it – you hanging round like a mangy dog licking everyone’s hand?)”

Being friendly to folks is not licking anyone, or anything. However Red thinks it is ok to target peoples families merely because his fragile ego cannot stand anyone opposing his rubbish. If you want to associate with someone like that and defend him, what does that say about you?

Get off your high horse EAD. NZ does not need traitors who promote foreign tyrannies and who never miss a chance to crap all over their own country.
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December 8, 2014 11:16pm
Shawn Herles

“A useless trolling coward.”

A coward is someone who targets peoples families while hiding behind a pseud.

If you had a shred of decency, courage or honor Red, you would have the guts to post under your own name, and you would not stoop to targeting my wife’s job.

Those are the actions of gutter slime.
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December 8, 2014 11:19pm
publicwatchdog

Pull your head in Calendar Grrl – I’m as entitled to give my opinion on Christchurch asset sales as any other Kiwiblogger.

At least I’m consistent in my opposition to privatisation – unlike some of you lot – who are NOT consistent with your purported Libertarian views which are supposed to support my right to have and express an opinion YOU don’t agree with?

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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December 8, 2014 11:37pm
Jack5

Sweet dreams, Penny!

May you dream about life in a warm, northern small town near the sea, where you can do pottery, grow roses, and sip and chat with chardonnay socialists. All hangs on your taking the million before the Auckland property bubble pops, of course.

May you drift to sleep with memories of the guys you liked most in your first six decades, rather than fall asleep counting ticks on blog posts.
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December 9, 2014 12:20am
Nookin

Your last post says it all, Penny. To you, this has nothing to do with good governance, nothing to do with saving lives. This is all about you and your unsatiable desire for attention.
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December 9, 2014 6:20am
publicwatchdog

More WILFUL STUPIDITY from Nookin – situation normal …..

Again you are misrepresenting my ‘whistle-blowing’ on the issues to ‘trumpet-blowing’ for personal attention.

Also I’m unimpressed with your attempts to misrepresent and ‘spin’ what I and others have said and done – like your attempt to misrepresent Green MP Gareth Hughes’ retweeting a cartoon which raises the potential risk of ‘terrorist’ attacks on New Zealanders if we are involved in ‘boots on the ground’ military intervention in the Middle East – to supporting the ‘killing’ of NZ Prime Minister John Key.

Pathetic.

Penny Bright
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December 9, 2014 7:07am
publicwatchdog

New Zealand has had an extradition treaty with the USA since 1970 – and they have the death penalty.

Just saying ….

Penny Bright
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December 9, 2014 7:12am
big bruv

publicbludger

Nookin has not misrepresented anything at all. You are a trumpet blower, you are an attention seeker to rival Cameron Slater.

As for Gareth Hughes, it is clear that Hughes supports the assassination of our democratically elected Prime Minister. Had it been a National party MP advocating the killing of Wussel Norman or Angry Andrew Little you would be livid with faux outrage.
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December 9, 2014 7:13am
big bruv

“New Zealand has had an extradition treaty with the USA since 1970 – and they have the death penalty.”

Thus proving that in some areas the Yanks are more advanced than we are.
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December 9, 2014 7:14am
OneTrack

“New Zealand has had an extradition treaty with the USA since 1970 – and they have the death penalty.

Just saying ….”

Just saying WHAT?
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December 9, 2014 7:27am
deadrightkev

“Does anyone else here find that the moderators at Whale Oil are heavy handed and unreasonable?”

Does anyone apart from the chosen few on WO get to comment now without being banned from the site? I find most of Slaters posts attack drivel now and his minion moderators hopelessly lightweight.
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December 9, 2014 11:32am

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