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December 7, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 7 December 2014

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Nookin

Cricko, my dear fellow, heaven forbid that I should be seen to impugn your state of mind so I suggest that you re-read my offending post and then toddle off to a dictionary or thesaurus and learn all about metaphorical comment.
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December 7, 2014 8:48pm
cricko

Ps waikatogirl,

big win for you spelling my moniker wrong.

It’s ‘cricko’ you pathetic specimen.

Still, how else can a ……. like you score a point otherwise ?

Anyway, arguing with you drongs is a waste of time.

Readers will make up their own minds.

Good luck to your families.
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December 7, 2014 8:48pm
waikatogirl

Crikarse: What has waikatogirl got against Millie ?
C’mon waikatogirl, why do you hate her ?
(Hint…don’t hold your breath for an answer from waikatogirl)

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You are a total arse. No I don’t hate Mille, why would I. I don’t hate anyone actually, but you could be a candidate 🙂
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December 7, 2014 8:51pm
Griff

She’s overcome some tragedies and some personal issues no doubt,

Travis I intensely dislike the whole scooter trash culture.
I was involved as an “associate” when I was to young to know any better so are well aware of what the reality is.

They are feral trash.
The head hunters are one of the most organized and violent criminal gangs in nz.
Millie is a bikers old lady. I “knew” quite a few of them when I was young dumb and full of come .
She is trash.
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December 7, 2014 8:55pm
mikenmild

Don’t worry about cricko, he is likely gone for the evening now that it’s just about dark enough to poison his neighbour’s cats.
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December 7, 2014 8:57pm
Travis Poulson

nasska I don’t see why my criticism (not attack as you put it) can’t be aimed at some of the people here. Some of the comments are abhorrent, and quite frankly rather sad. I see no reason why such comments need to be directed at her. Anna Guy is also famous because she is the ‘hot sister of the farmer that got murdered’. She seeks the limelight, yet Millie tends to shy away from it as much as she can, yet some of the munters here seem to think they have good grounds to attack her because of a drug problem that is way past old news.

I agree that the fact that such crap draws readers or viewers is worrying, but equally sad that it draws personal attacks on her by people out of touch with reality.
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December 7, 2014 8:58pm
waikatogirl

Criky: Cat got your tongues ?

Nookin or even waikatogirl ?

Jeez, it’s easy for youse to hand it out, but when you are called, there is no one home.

Just pathetic articles, both.

Jeez, you call out these lightweight airheads and guess what ?

they dissapear into the wind.
They are gone.
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You are an impatient tool aren’t you. I was busy elsewhere. Not at your beck and call for you entertainment.
And the plural for you is you, not youse!
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December 7, 2014 9:00pm
nasska

The point is Griff that had she not been Paul Holmes’ adopted daughter no one but no one would give a stuff if she was involved in a fight or snorted cocaine off Len Brown’s balls.

Unless she gets paid by the headline her life is being exploited by the scum of the MSM.

Edit: Largely agree now you have put it that way Travis.
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December 7, 2014 9:03pm
Travis Poulson

That is exactly right naska. Same as the media fawning over Anna Guy, and that guy from Huntly or wherever it was that won lotto and had his every movement, relationship and family dispute reported by the media.
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December 7, 2014 9:08pm
holysheet

Criko you drunken sod, Don’t involve me in your ravings. Get back into your booze sodden kennel.
Once again griff has nailed it

They are feral trash.
The head hunters are one of the most organized and violent criminal gangs in nz.
Millie is a bikers old lady. I “knew” quite a few of them when I was young dumb and full of come .
She is trash.

Its nothing personal but people need to be told that she is not all sweet and nice.
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December 7, 2014 9:12pm
Griff

I would say she is getting paid for woman’s mag prattle as well as making a future carer out of being a celebrity.
Famous for being Famous.
But unless she distances her self from the headhunters and others cut from the same cloth she will always be a piece of trash in my book.
Ive known to many biker chicks to think otherwise.
The sad thing is: They end up chucked on the trash pile when they get past their used by date.
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December 7, 2014 9:13pm
nasska

….”They end up chucked on the trash pile when they get past their used by date.”….

There’s seldom shortages of airhead chickie babes waiting to take their place Griff. The willingness of some of the female gender to wreck themselves for the gang slut Block of the Year Award never ceases to amaze.
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December 7, 2014 9:20pm
waikatogirl

Travis: I agree that the fact that such crap draws readers or viewers is worrying, but equally sad that it draws personal attacks on her by people out of touch with reality.
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I don’t know why you are having a go at KB people, who like me most probably don’t buy womens weekly or similar, and couldn’t care less about what Millie, or Sally Ridge, or whoever and what they get up to. I don’t have any interest in their current exploits or their past.

I commented on Millie’s language slip. I would have thought being the daughter of one of NZ’s best known TV presenters she may have been more aware of camera etiquette and not said fuck on camera.
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December 7, 2014 9:21pm
Griff

yip seen that
Even had a few shall we say interesting and slightly nerve wracking experiences saving poor wee things from their own stupidity. Scooter trash dont like you interfering with their fun .
But the old ladys are a little more respected as a rule .
They still benefit from the gang activity’s even if some are not directly involved in actual criminal undertaking and all are aware of whats going on around them.
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December 7, 2014 9:31pm
Travis Poulson

“I don’t know why you are having a go at KB people”

I’m not having a go at KB people in general.
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December 7, 2014 9:43pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Just trying to remember who it was that whined about being beaten by a woman. Not the same guy who now claims to have ‘saved’ women from gangs. Wonders will never cease, a whiner one minute a super hero the next. As much fun as a comic.
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December 7, 2014 9:58pm
Nookin

Breaking News
Hard on the heels of the 12.01 post by the indefatigable Ms Penelope Bright that “central government level has been infested with corrupt corporate cockroaches, who have brought with them their private sector, personal profit-seeking ways, and have no concept of serving the public or the public interest”, a new political group has emerged promising reforms to local and central government composition.

The group, Eyesbrightshut, led by spokesperson Ms B Spark, said that once in power, it would take immediate steps to ensure that nobody with any commercial, corporate or business experience will be eligible for election to local or central government. Candidacy will be reserved solely for those with proven records of public service.

The group will stand for the Auckland City Council in the next election. It will field a mayoral candidate, Ms Emily Snodgrass.

“Emily is an ideal candidate” said Ms Spark. “For 14 years she has been the go to girl for the West Ladies Macramé club cake stall. We have broken even every year and in return for her long and faithful service, we believe Emily should be rewarded with a stint at the mayoralty.”

Eyesbrightshut will also ensure that no more services will be contracted out and all existing contracted services will be brought back in-house.

“We will be buying our own printing press. We will print our own rates demands and make sure that they are correct this time. We already have our eyes on a forestry block for paper supplies. We will not deal with private contractors whose sole purpose is to make money. Indeed, we have stolen a policy from the Greens. We will ban texting and communications with any private contractor or business – unless of course may agree with us and contribute to our cause. ” said Ms Spark.

Ms Snodgrass has already expressed strong interest in the new facilities in the Mayor’s office. “They will be ideal for a new kitchen to continue our long tradition of cake stalls” she said.

The group is expected to announce its list of candidates over the coming weeks.
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December 7, 2014 10:01pm
Rachael Membery

OMG the hypocrisy of ‘commenting’ on violence to women from a practitioner.

Where is David Garrett with his pithy rejoinders on the ‘subject’!!!!
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December 7, 2014 10:04pm
Griff

Nostalgia-NZ

How do you stop a violent woman without being violent? I chose not to place my self in such a situation ever again.

I really think you should think about your record of violence to woman to put it mildly.
There was this woman leaving a night club one night.
you know the rest.

[DPF: Warning – don’t refer to details of people who post under an alias]
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December 7, 2014 10:13pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Nookin you might like to explain how the Chief financial officer of the Super City, 1 among a staff of some 11,000, finds getting the rates owed on a single property complex.
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December 7, 2014 10:15pm
Nookin

Not sure I understand what you are after NNZ
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December 7, 2014 10:17pm
Rachael Membery

Nookin (3,514 comments) says:

December 7th, 2014 at 10:17 pm

I know what he deserves!!!!
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December 7, 2014 10:20pm
Nostalgia-NZ

You comment about Penny Bright probably more than anybody Nookin, yet give no attention to the reports on the most recent hearing on the Super City’s case against her. That is that Judge Sharp wasn’t given confidence by the fact that the Council had sought the wrong amount in their earlier summary judgement that is now under appeal. Also her recognition that Penny Bright may have a substantial defence if the obligations of Council had not crystallised into making payments for rates an imperative.
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December 7, 2014 10:26pm
Rowan

Stupidboy
That the best you can do? You really are pathetic you know, crawl back to your hole you lying snake.
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December 7, 2014 10:32pm
Rowan

I see the resident nut jobs are out in force tonight, Gripp, Bigot Blouse, Stupidboy etc, these loons really do have no lives, time for some professional help
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December 7, 2014 10:37pm
big bruv

Oh look, it’s D4J pretending to be Rowan again.

He really is desperate for attention.
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December 7, 2014 10:45pm
Nookin

I think there are more prolific commenters on her ladyship than me, NNz, but putting that aside, one of the reasons that I haven’t expressed any view is that i dont have all the facts. I have asked if someone could post or link to an AC rates assessment but nothing has turned up. I would be very surprised if the assessment does not list amounts or percentages for general rates, stormwater, water, sewage, roading etc. That is all that is needed.
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December 7, 2014 10:50pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Well it’s in the papers Nookin. The chances are that the quotes are correct. Words such as ‘crystallised’ when talking about ‘imperatives’ have a particular certainty about them. As does the financial officer offering a reason for not having the figure on the notice correct. The assessment may be as simple as you say, more the reason that it should be accurate – particularly where the object is to sell a dissenting rate payer’s house.
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December 7, 2014 10:56pm
Nookin

There are two issues, here, Nostalgia. The primary issue is the validity of the rates assessment notice. This is the so-called “imperative” to which the court referred. Penny says it does not comply. Council says it does. I gained the distinct impression that the court has heard no argument and may not have seen the notice (or any of them, bearing in mind that this goes back many years). I am not going to venture any opinion on the validity of a document without seeing it.
Ancillary to the first point is the consequence of any invalidity. Does it relieve ratepayers of any liability to pay? I do not know if the judge’s comments were off the cuff comments or whether she was postulating an issue or whether she had researched the subject. I have a complete lack of confidence in the ability of the MSM to report, with any real accuracy, the real issues in a case. I do know that, according to Penny, the judge has asked for cogent submissions from Penny. That does not suggest that she has crossed any sort of threshold and that the ball is in the council’ court, as it were.

While it would be an interesting issue to look at, we are approaching Xmas and my priorities are firmly directed elsewhere.
There is a section in the Act that basically says that invalidity of the rate is no excuse for non payment. From memory, the section refers to the rate and not the assessment notice.
The second pointt is the amount owing. The council made a cock up because, apparently, it overlooked an earlier judgment. She supposedly owes much more than recorded in one of the documents (and i do not know which one). I am not going to comment on that because, again the facts reported are too obscure. What is not obscure is the fact that she acknowledges that she has not paid a brass razoo formaybe 7 years and quantifying the arrears should not be an unduly mind-boggling task.
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December 8, 2014 6:37am
Nostalgia-NZ

Thanks Nookin. I think there maybe the test of the contract as to what the Council says it provides in exchange for the rates payments, along with how they are spent – which is probably where the use of the word crystallise fits in. It’s no small matter about the payments to contractors. One Auckland firm somehow managed to get 100s of thousands of invoices approved for footpaths for work that was not done – from memory some Council staff were either censured or sacked as the result.
Yes, Penny appears not to have paid a brass razoo for 7 years or so, but there is clearly a dispute and how the Council managed to sheet home a Summary Judgement could be under question.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts and at least the indication this is far less simple that a rate payer not paying rates because of being unable or unwilling to do so.
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December 8, 2014 8:43am
Nookin

I am not sure whether it was summary judgement, NNZ. I seem to recall that Penny forgot that it was on because she was otherwise engaged.

No issue of contract arises. There is a statutory and not a contractual basis for the liability. She did raise an issue about GST on penalties but I would be very surprised if she got anywhere on that because a penalty comes within the definition of “rates” and GST is payable on “rates”. The Council is deemed to have provided goods and services in relation to any liability that person has for rates.
If you want to look at how the court to deal with validity, go to the Judicial Decisions Online section of the Justice Department website and look out the various decisions involving Kaipara District Council.
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December 8, 2014 9:02am
alex Masterley

Nookin, section 12(1) of the Local Government (Rating) Act provides ”

“The ratepayer for a rating unit is liable to pay the rates that are due on the unit.”

so as you say it is a statutory obligation to pay rates.

NNZ re the contractor. they operated on a swings and roundabouts approach. The herald argued the contractor owed the council money for work not done. The subsequent enquiry found the council in fact owed the contractor a pile of money.
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December 8, 2014 9:16am
Nostalgia-NZ

Thanks Alex. That would be correct about the contractor.

In respect of the Statutory obligation it can never have meant to be despite whether or not the amount was correct or whether or not the Council had met it’s obligations to the rate payer. I think that is the message from the MSM reports as to the comments of Judge Sharp, something at least which will be taken into consideration.
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December 8, 2014 9:46am
Nookin

Quite the contrary, Nostalgia.
The statutory scheme is designed to ensure that rates will be paid and that local authorities will not be embroiled in correspondence ad nauseam. There may be an imperative. Whether there is an imperative in this particular case (having regard to the content of the assessment notice) remains to be seen. If there is an “imperative”, it would surprise me but, as I said earlier, I am not going to venture any sort of opinion based on a hypothesis.

While that situation may seem unfair, the corollary is that anyone with a point to prove may take the Council to task and refuse to pay rates, coming up with any sort of spurious defence concerning lack of performance or the like. This is one of those cases where certainty is adopted in preference to what most would regard as the justice of the case.
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December 8, 2014 11:23am
Rachael Membery

Nookin (3,519 comments) says:

December 8th, 2014 at 9:02 am

Plus there should be a way of getting money back for the extra administration required as well as legal letters, filing fees if any etc.
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