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Shawn Herles

See Winston is on another beat up

I used to think WP was at least entertaining, but he really has become a tiresome old bore.
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December 6, 2014 1:43pm
Redbaiter

Quote from section of Whaleoil comments policy. Not really anything new. This has been the accepted norm on discussion forums for decades.

The warnings that were given for a week now have run out. Off topic, low calorie comments (“I agree!”), using the comments as a chat room,

The problem is that many low intellect contributors frequently find it difficult to appreciate the difference between chatting and adding to discussion. I guess as long as it continues Whaleoil will continue to eclipse Kiwiblog in reader numbers.
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December 6, 2014 1:46pm
Rowan

Rachel @ 1.33
Yes Dickleberry of course it’s news, and people should be happy for them rather than the bigoted hate filled views of Daddys pedo supporters here!
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December 6, 2014 1:52pm
Michael

Let us hope David Bain’s son doesn’t end up treating his family in the same way as David Bain treated his.

I await the serial abuser’s reply with interest.
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December 6, 2014 2:03pm
Rachael Membery

Rowan (2,549 comments) says:

December 6th, 2014 at 1:52 pm

Is he a ‘celebrity’ or ‘something’?
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December 6, 2014 2:05pm
MH

I wish to report that the Waitangi Tribunal has set up an Adopt a Maori Head site, apparently there are approx. 600 available. A Mr H Harawira will be Head master and co-ordinate returns to the tribe that slaughtered the victim’s head, then a compensation deal will be sought with the victims tribe in accordance with contemporary justice, to be funded by the Crown. No more beersies, yeah right.
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December 6, 2014 2:15pm
Rowan

Michael
You are not worth the time of day old bean, yes i certainly hope that David’s son doesn’t turn out like his late grandfather, but that is highly unlikely. In saying that your hero that you idol worship was more of a sad depressed old man who lost it rather than a psychopath. Rather like yours truly!
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December 6, 2014 2:21pm
nasska

Not another Bain thread for God’s sake.

Come back Baity, Shawn & religioconservatism…..all’s forgiven!
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December 6, 2014 2:25pm
Michael

Rowan,
David Bain’s son will be a much better person if he turns out like his grandfather than he will be if he turns out like his father.
And so far as hero worship is concerned let me assure you that I don’t hero worship anyone, unlike yourself, who hero worships a psychopath.
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December 6, 2014 2:26pm
Michael

nasska

Rowan was foolish enough to mention David Bain. He would have been well aware I would respond.
But I must admit that I was pleasantly surprised when he didn’t actually abuse me, just made some puerile comments.
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December 6, 2014 2:28pm
waikatogirl

PG: And it doesn’t mean that ongoing abuse and harassment has to be accepted as part of the job.

It’s often complicated but there are pros and cons on both sides of the argument.

***
My point exactly :). Human interactions can be complicated. A happy workplace is worth it’s weight in gold 😉
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December 6, 2014 2:31pm
Rowan

No Michael
You hero worship a murdering kiddie fiddler, let’s hope that his grandson is nothing like him! and do you seriously have nothing better to do with your life than troll these threads waiting for someone to mention the case! Get a life arsehole!
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December 6, 2014 2:37pm
Harriet

‘As the saying goes in large institutions, shit floats to the top’

Coming from milky – a Wellington based public servant.
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December 6, 2014 2:38pm
Griff

Not another Bain thread for God’s sake.

Come back Baity, Shawn & religioconservatism…..all’s forgiven!

Baity gone ?
hadn’t noticed.
I thought it was penny getting all the down ticks .
oh well .
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December 6, 2014 2:39pm
Rowan

Muggins
Nostradamus will be exceedingly disappointed with you if you are trying to take his position as kiwiblogs resident trap door spider!
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December 6, 2014 2:42pm
Michael

I see Rowan is back to being his usual abusive self. I knew he wouldn’t be able to control himself for long. If someone doesn’t agree with him he calls them an arsehole .
But what can one you expect from one who hero worships a multiple murderer.
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December 6, 2014 2:46pm
Shawn Herles

“Come back Baity, Shawn & religioconservatism…..all’s forgiven!”

Heh. You see, there ARE some things worse than a religious debate! 😉

For the sake of our peace and sanity, could people please pretend that Rowan does not exist?

Seriously, PLEASE!
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December 6, 2014 2:47pm
Rowan

Michael
Time to return to the Mason clinic for some more medication. And get your facts straight you and not I are the hero worshipper. When you step back and look at the big picture it’s pretty obvious why you are so obsessed with him!
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December 6, 2014 2:51pm
Whanga-cynic

Yes, Winston displaying his deep knowledge of the Armed Forces, again.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11369081

As a 21 year veteran of the (British) Armed Forces, it’s a given to me that, if you are not at war, you are training for it. That is their purpose, after all. But, hey, let’s not bring logic or facts to pour water on a Winston beat-up.
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December 6, 2014 2:54pm
ngatimozart

MH (822 comments) says:
December 6th, 2014 at 2:15 pm
I wish to report that the Waitangi Tribunal has set up an Adopt a Maori Head site, apparently there are approx. 600 available. A Mr H Harawira will be Head master and co-ordinate returns to the tribe that slaughtered the victim’s head, then a compensation deal will be sought with the victims tribe in accordance with contemporary justice, to be funded by the Crown. No more beersies, yeah right.

Hmm, I wonder if you would say the same if these were Pakeha heads bought back from museums overseas, especially if they might’ve been related to you. Again different cultures and if Pakeha hadn’t bought them then there would not have been a trade in them. So really who is at fault – those who sold the heads or those who bought them? It is good that they are being repatriated home with honour and dignity.
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December 6, 2014 2:58pm
wat dabney

“Coming from milky – a Wellington based public servant.”

Please don’t use the term ‘public servant’, it only serves to mislead.

He is a state-sector employee.
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December 6, 2014 3:01pm
Shawn Herles

As naaska asked so politely. 😉

“A monk came to see Abba Joseph of Panepho and said to him, ‘Abba, as far as I can I say my little office , I observe my little fast, I pray and meditate and maintain stillness, and as far as I can I keep my thoughts pure. What more can I do?’ Then the old man stood up and stretched out his hands towards heaven, and his fingers became like ten burning lamps of fire. ‘If you wish,’ he said, ‘you can become all flame.’” ~Quote from How Do We Enter the Heart? by Bishop Kallistos Ware
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December 6, 2014 3:08pm
Shawn Herles

Demeaning Stay-at-Home Mothers.

http://www.theimaginativeconservative.org/2014/12/demeaning-stay-at-home-mothers.html
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December 6, 2014 3:09pm
nasska

ngatimozart

Were the heads of Maori, Pakeha or Ardaian origin they’re a couple of hundred years old & it’s doubtful that their owners have much further use for them. Indeed had they not been preserved & stored they would have rotted into the ground in the fashion of all human or animal remains.

As such I would be happier for the funds (should we have a surplus) to be spent on the living instead of ceremonial junkets for the Maori elite.
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December 6, 2014 3:11pm
stigie

“Can Sheriff Shawn and Witless Wat take their unending and tiresome disagreements over religion to email please. FFS, show some consideration for other readers for once. Nut case obsessive one issue losers”.

And….

“And Sheriff Shawn has a big problem in that Pat Buchanan who is a co-founder of one of the ultra-religious self described “conservative” sites here promotes here is also a proponent of Critical Theory”.

Ole Reddy desperately trying to start another war today i see !~
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December 6, 2014 3:11pm
nasska

….”‘If you wish,’ he said, ‘you can become all flame.”….

Can’t fault that! 🙂
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December 6, 2014 3:13pm
Griff

Philippines getting another bash.
http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=2873

Heavy rains and huge waves are already pounding the Philippines and over half a million people have been evacuated as Super Typhoon Hagupit closes in on the storm-weary islands. Hagupit briefly fell below the 150 mph wind threshold needed to maintain its “Super Typhoon” designation on Thursday, but is intensifying once again. At 9 am EST Friday, Hagupit was a very dangerous Category 4 super typhoon with 150 mph winds and a central pressure of 915 mb. Hagupit–Filipino for “Smash”–exploded into a mighty Category 5 storm with 180 mph winds and a central pressure of 905 mb on Wednesday,
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December 6, 2014 3:34pm
wat dabney

“Can Sheriff Shawn and Witless Wat take their unending and tiresome disagreements over religion to email please.”

Ahh, Red.

You imagine yourself as the thread monitor, don’t you.

You’re like one of those sad pub regulars who goes round collecting empty glasses.

What would DPF do without you? How would he manage if you left?

However, in this specific case I must take issue. You’ll find that I was was not the one to raise the matter of religion. Rather, it was the usual fake “Christians.”

So if you have a problem with subject matter I suggest you take it up with them.
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December 6, 2014 3:37pm
nasska

We’ve had some pretty crap weather too Griff…..still a bit of rain keeps the moisture levels up. 🙂
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December 6, 2014 3:37pm
stephieboy

Has David and Liz named the child .? if a boy odds on it will be named Joe .? An outside chance Robin.?

Ladies and gentlemen please place your bets.!!
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December 6, 2014 3:42pm
Griff

Watered the veg garden today for the first time it is unusually dry for us this early both here in Auckland and up north.
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December 6, 2014 3:46pm
stephieboy

EAD , Reid , Wiki etc this pile of garbage posted on TM today ,

“The US govt bent on world hegemony, Russia stands in its way” – Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary to the US Treasury.

“The US has already turned Europe, Canada, Australia and Japan into vassal states. [The] House’s latest resolution against Russia is just a tool to reach the goal – world hegemony.” Paul Craig Roberts,

[An excellent short video interview link with Paul Craig Roberts on America’s plan to destroy Russia in the link below].

http://rt.com/op-edge/211579-us-world-hegemony-russia/
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December 6, 2014 3:49pm
nasska

We’ll get Shawn to fly up & sort you out Griff. He’s bound to know an incantation or rain dance that will have you tying your canoes to the Sky tower. 🙂
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December 6, 2014 3:51pm
Griff

No thanks nasska
Need to buy in some stock so a drought will make it nice and cheap.
The bottom half is in standing hay waiting until the price drops later in summer.
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December 6, 2014 3:58pm
Shawn Herles

“He’s bound to know an incantation or rain dance that will have you tying your canoes to the Sky tower.”

Several in fact. But I like to paid up front, in cash, and I do not guarantee results. Unless it rains a few days or weeks later, then I will take credit! 😉

Edit: I’m prepared to accept good whiskey in lieu of cash. 🙂
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December 6, 2014 3:59pm
nasska

Forget hay Griff…..if you’ve got a feed surplus get it into baleage in the next week or so.

Standing grass will lose its nutritional value real quick if a lack of moisture stalls growth.
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December 6, 2014 4:05pm
Nukuleka

Excellent post on WO about the parliamentary prayer. Now and then Slater nails an issue right smack on the conker! Sadly I’m banned so can’t post my support for his stand. Slater is correct when he points out that this retreat from Christian observance merely creates a vacuum into which such as the Muslims, aided by the wishy washy liberals, will fill.

A leading Co of E cleric has already offered the view that at Charles III’s coronation there should be a reading from the KORAN so that Muslims feel included. It won’t be long before such suggestions are being made about public occasions here in NZ. The atheists who post on this blog will be in full support, I would suggest! Anything to undermine Christianity and our cultural heritage.
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December 6, 2014 4:07pm
nasska

….”The atheists who post on this blog will be in full support”…..

Can’t speak for other atheists but I want to see all the Skydaddy crap out of everything & that includes references to God, Allah, Buddha or any other mythical deities.

If people want to cling to their childish fantasies let them do it in the privacy of their own homes.
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December 6, 2014 4:14pm
Michael

Rowan
So you reckon Robin Bain is a hero?
Don’t know that I would agree with you on that. He never got the chance to be a hero, seeing as his family [apart from the shooter] were all shot when he was sleeping in the caravan.
So far as the big picture goes, it doesn’t matter what picture you look at. Virtually all the evidence points to David Bain as being the perpetrator. But of course you know that.
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December 6, 2014 4:16pm
Griff

Mostly To steep to mow.
On the awhitu peninsula so its just ancient sand dunes country.
I try to keep the besties of the bottom half in the spring wet because its sand country and to much soil disappears if they pug it up
There is some hard pans in the geology running down the slope giving permanent springs so it does not dry right out like the top does.
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December 6, 2014 4:16pm
mikenmild

Yes nasska, there is absolutely no need for religious components to any public business. The parliamentary prayer should go, and karakia. Prayers of whatever variety are not suitable for public events.
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December 6, 2014 4:18pm
stephieboy

Nukeleta, Iwould of thought that the very idea of prayers of supplication would be the the last thing that Slater could ever give a n nuanced and informed judgement on .

The idea of the opening prayer could be replaced by a Koranic one is purely an hysterical and unreasoned one .

BTW am quite neutral for the pros and cons except to say that it’s quite illusory and nonsensical to say Parliament is today the repository of Christiian doctrine given e.g our PM is at very least nominally a Jew . Andrew Little etc more than likely like most of the rest a secularist with purely nominal religious beliefs
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December 6, 2014 4:22pm
MH

ngati mozzy

As maori treated the majority of their slaves as possessions unworthy of pity or humanity then your view that I would feel different is indeed wrong, it’s the hypocrisy and fawning respect and double standards for these objects that annoys me. Even as Europeans procured them as objects of curiosity none the less the owners had no compunction in not delivering up to the demand in this trade. But with Christianity and British law and order how things changed. Mores or post facto morality ? No word of apology from the offending dominant tribes, no hint of koha taking place behind closed maraes?
Many of my ancestors lie buried, some possibly headless, in commonwealth graves throughout Europe and England caused by senseless wars as part of NZ’s commitment to world peace, and symbolically I have no desire to see their remains returned to their birthplace.
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December 6, 2014 4:23pm
Rachael Membery

stephieboy (3,421 comments) says:

December 6th, 2014 at 4:22 pm

How about Government going along with the majority. Despite the hysteria regarding religious god forbid Christian parties, let alone candidates during the election.

I would gamble that the majority of NZ self identifies as Christian. I vote for the status quo anyway.
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December 6, 2014 4:26pm
Harriet

“……Yes nasska, there is absolutely no need for religious components to any public business…..”

Fine. Keep public business out of the lives of those that are religious. We are all good with that!

“….The parliamentary prayer should go, and karakia. Prayers of whatever variety are not suitable for public events…..”

You can’t ban the Pope you fucking idiot Milky!
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December 6, 2014 4:31pm
Griff

Rachael Membery

I would gamble that the majority of NZ self identifies as Christian

wanna bet ?
Griff doesn’t gamble.
http://www.stats.govt.nz/Census/2013-census/profile-and-summary-reports/quickstats-culture-identity/religion.aspx
In 2013, the number of people who affiliated with a Christian religion (including Māori Christian) decreased to 1,906,398 (48.9 percent of all people who stated their religious affiliation), down from 2,082,942 (55.6 percent) in 2006.
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December 6, 2014 4:40pm
kowtow

nuku says

“I see that Trevor Mallard spots a contradiction in David Carter’s proposed new parliamentary ‘prayer’. Jesus Christ and God are to be omitted from the English part but ‘God’ is to be slipped into the newly added Maori section which ends with an ‘Amene’.”

So much for Wats’

“New Zealand is instead a product of the Western Enlightenment: of reason, science and humanity. It is the very antithesis of the barbaric religious absolutism which preceded it.”
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December 6, 2014 4:40pm
nasska

Insanity is believing that your hallucinations are real.

Religion involves believing that other people’s hallucinations are real.
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December 6, 2014 4:41pm
mikenmild

Where did I say ban the Pope, Harriet you fuckwit? I just ask that he keep his religion out of our business. I’d be glad if he made it a priority to get it out of my rugby club, but I’m a tolerant man.
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December 6, 2014 4:41pm
stephieboy

Rachel Membery, I merely try to reflect the fact of present day realities which is NZ is largely Christian only in a purely nominal sense and not out to forbid any thing.

I repeat Slater is a hypocrite to make judgements on the issue.

I for myself don’t reard it as a big issue either way regarding
the opening prayer as rather harmless. In fact rather quaint.!
Other countries seem to get on OK within such a ritual including I might add the USA.
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December 6, 2014 4:48pm
Rachael Membery

Griff (8,253 comments) says:

December 6th, 2014 at 4:40 pm

The sum of the other religions combined according to that is greater, but Christians are still the greater number at nearly 50% so I still think I am correct.
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December 6, 2014 4:49pm
Shawn Herles

“Where did I say ban the Pope, Harriet you fuckwit?”

Mike, you’re starting to sound like Redbaiter. Pull your head in, read what people are actually saying, or go take a nap.

“but I’m a tolerant man.”

On what planet?

” I just ask that he keep his religion out of our business.”

You mean yours personally. You don’t speak for everyone else.
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December 6, 2014 4:50pm
Harriet

“…..BTW am quite neutral for the pros and cons except to say that it’s quite illusory and nonsensical to say Parliament is today the repository of Christiian doctrine given ….”

You have Key and Little on your side of the arguement Stephi Boy.

And I have just a little bit more of Western history that is the repository of which the NZ Parliment has rested and grown upon.

The point is that ‘prayers’ ect haven’t ever hurt Western governments………up till now that is.

How selfish to take away from future generations what has been the bedrock of Western society. Sodomy of kids if ever I’ve seen it Stephie!!!
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December 6, 2014 4:53pm
nasska

Would it be possible for you to write a shopping list without mention of sodomy Harriet? 🙂
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December 6, 2014 4:55pm
mikenmild

Shawn, if you want to be the blog police you can report abusive comments or email DPF like a good boy. You might like to check that I merely replied to Harriet with the same language it used to me.
There is no place for sectarian religious feeling in our public business. Not in English, Maori, Latin or any other language. It has capacity to offend those who do not believe in that rubbish and creates the impression that the state supports, or should support, religion.
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December 6, 2014 4:56pm
kowtow

nuku

The top rating comment over on WO about the prayer is about retaining our culture. Completly agree. Not really about religion. Not really about separating church and state.

This is an assault on history ,culture and tradition.And the creation of a Maori centric culture which is alien to 85 % of the people.

Changing the flag is in the same vein.

Our majority history ,culture and tradition is British and Christian,that’s what the Union flag signifies in our flag.

Like the prayer, leave it alone.
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December 6, 2014 4:57pm
marleybob

So I guess we will be changing the National Anthem also, God gets a few mentions in it.
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December 6, 2014 4:59pm
Shawn Herles

“Shawn, if you want to be the blog police you can report abusive comments or email DPF like a good boy. ”

Yup, definitely possessed by Redbaiter.

“There is no place for sectarian religious feeling in our public business.”

That’s your opinion.

“It has capcity to offend the majority who do not believe in that rubbish.”

The minority Mike. Most New Zealander’s may not be religious in the sense of belonging to a specific religion, but most do believe in some kind of Higher Power. Atheists are a minority.

Attempting to force a minority position on the rest of us is not democratic.

As I say, right now you sound like the liberal-left version of Redbaiter.
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December 6, 2014 5:00pm
mikenmild

Shawn
I amended my comment so your reply no longer makes sense. Well, less sense than you usually do.
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December 6, 2014 5:02pm
Harriet

“….Where did I say ban the Pope, Harriet you fuckwit? I just ask that he keep his religion out of our business….”

You said “…Prayers of whatever variety are not suitable for public events…..”

The Pope travels to countries to say Prayers at public events. In effect you are banning the Pope from NZ. Just like Key wants to ban Chinese tourists that smoke.

You progs hate freedom.
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December 6, 2014 5:04pm
Shawn Herles

” and creates the impression that the state supports, or should support, religion.”

Rubbish. It’s just a tradition, like the national anthem, or prayers on ANZAC day, or Christmas, or any number of other examples.

Your hysteria is getting the better of you.
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December 6, 2014 5:06pm
mikenmild

Okay, Harriet, if you want the Pope to come here and say prayers you can fund it. Just don’t ask the taxpayer to shell out for sectarian nonsense. It’s bad enough that we subsidise their special schools.
I’m practical and tolerant. I wouldn’t want to close churches so that the gullible are no longer parted from their money and time. Some people will always believe in nonsense. I’m just asking that this particular nonsense not be part of our state business.
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December 6, 2014 5:11pm
Shawn Herles

I think there is another issue you have not considered Mike. Right now New Zealand does not have the kind of extreme and divisive culture war that the US does, in part because NZ has taken a pragmatic approach to these issues, neither seeking to rid ourselves of any reference to our Christian heritage in public, nor genuinely trying imposing religion on anyone.

Your approach would likely change that, and not for the better of the country.
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December 6, 2014 5:13pm
Shawn Herles

“I’m practical and tolerant.”

Right now you are showing no tolerance at all.

” I’m just asking that this particular nonsense not be part of our state business.”

Fine. Start your own political party then and make that your policy.

Right now I would bet good money the majority prefer the status qou.

Seriously Mike. Normally, even when you are being snarky, you are at least civil. Did you not sleep well last night?
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December 6, 2014 5:14pm
mikenmild

You have a better point there Shawn in your 5.13. New Zealand is inevitably going to become a more secular society and there is no public policy reason to go out of the way to offend any particular sect.
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December 6, 2014 5:15pm
Michael

Religion in New Zealand (2013)[1]

Roman Catholic (11.07%)
Anglican (10.33%)
Presbyterian (7.44%)
Other Christianity (14.63%)
Hinduism (2.02%)
Buddhism (1.31%)
Islam (1.04%)
Other religions (1.34%)
Undeclared (12.27%)
No religion (38.55%)

As this chart shows over 50% of New Zealanders at the time of the last census in 2013 either said they had no religion or didn’t declare one.
Now I don’t want to get into a religious argument. If some people want to believe in a god that is OK by me, so long as they aren’t fanatical about it. However, despite the fact that I went to an Anglican secondary school I don’t remember ever having believed in a god , so I guess you could call me an atheist, or maybe a humanist, take your pick.
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December 6, 2014 5:17pm
Inandout

This why progressives must be stopped, or the West will decline in Roman Empire fashion. This court decision is comic opera.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30326397
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December 6, 2014 5:19pm
Shawn Herles

Well folks, it was this or David Bain! 🙂
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December 6, 2014 5:24pm
Shawn Herles

“This why progressives must be stopped,”

I would much rather we talked to each other. When any group decides to “stop” another, it tends to end badly.
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December 6, 2014 5:25pm
stephieboy

kowtow, I find your sanctimonious allusions to traditional cultural practices etc, like Skater , purely hypoctritical given your the odd bile of hatred you dish up to you political opponents including the US president .!
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December 6, 2014 5:29pm
OneTrack

Shawn – “I would much rather we talked to each other.”

Unfortunately the progressives aren’t really showing they are interested in listening.
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December 6, 2014 5:34pm
mikenmild

I’m listening One Track, although I wouldn’t use the label ‘progressive’ as some use it here. What do you want to get off your chest.
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December 6, 2014 5:39pm
Harriet

“……There is no place for sectarian religious feeling in our public business……..It has capacity to offend those who do not believe in that rubbish and creates the impression that the state supports, or should support, religion…..”

The same goes for homosexuality. Extreme feminism too.

People in parliment -just like in public Milky- are allowed to do ‘customery cultural stuff’ like saying Prayers, rubbing noses, shaking hands. Gays I think even kiss Milky!!

It’s all ‘offensive’ Milky – man up son!

You are an example Milky that the arguement is not one of seperation of Church and State – but seperation of school and State.
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December 6, 2014 5:41pm
kowtow

stephieboyo

You’re talking to the wrong guy matey, you seem to be under the impression I give a shit about anything you have to say.

Merry Christmas, fuck off and don’t forget to send Obummer a card.
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December 6, 2014 5:43pm
nasska

Religious conservatism….The fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
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December 6, 2014 5:45pm
publicwatchdog

Interesting that Cameron Slater has come out against the Wellington ‘Supercity’ proposal.

I don’t recall Cameron Slater ever protesting against the Auckland Supercity that was forced upon Auckland regional citizens and ratepayers by the John Key led National/ACT Government in 2009?

A tiny handful of us opposed the Auckland $upercity from Day One, and correctly predicted that the real reason for the Auckland $upercity, was bigger contracts for fewer but bigger private contractors.

That the mechanism for this ‘corrupt corporate coup’ – was through the CCO model, where unelected business people run the Auckland region ‘like a business, by business FOR business’.

Where is the transparency regarding the spending of Auckland citizens and ratepayers public monies by Auckland Council Controlled Organisations (CCOs)?

Apart from Auckland Transport – NO other CCO provides details of awarded contracts on their website for public scrutiny.

Because CCOs are not ‘local authorities’ – ‘Rates Assessment’ Notices under s.45 of the Local Government (Rating) Act 2002 do not apply to them.

So – how are Auckland Council citizens and ratepayers supposed to know where BILLION$ of public rates monies are being spent by these CCOs which were forced upon us by the John Key led National/ACT Government?

Of course – I’d prefer to be posting this directly on Whale Oil – but I was banned.

Some folks just can’t handle the TRUTH?

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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December 6, 2014 5:48pm
kowtow

Try this one then.

The Anzac Day Service is avowedly Anglican Christian .

According to michael above it should now be either “other christian” or “No religion” ……duh.

Of course it bloody shouldn’t. It’s part of our New Zealand history, culture and tradition. Leave it, the flag, the prayer, the anthem etc alone.

Cultural change ,driven from the top. Fuck off.
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December 6, 2014 5:51pm
nasska

….”Of course – I’d prefer to be posting this directly on Whale Oil – but I was banned.”….

Why not mail him & ask him to reconsider? Whale is a Christian & bound to have a keen sense of forgiveness. Alternatively they have amnesties from time to time.

Don’t give up….they need your advice more than us. 🙂
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December 6, 2014 5:53pm
Harriet

“…..It’s bad enough that we subsidise their special schools….”

So now you finaly admit that National takes taxes off the parents of kids at private schools – and then pays the private schools less to deliver a government mandated education to the kids – and within a ‘national framework’?

The truth Milky is that it is the parents of private school kids who subsidise those ‘educated’ by the state. They pay the same tax rates and the government gives their kids less. National penalizes those who do the right thing by there kids. Pathetic!

Like I said Milky….you are an example of the need for the seperation of school and state. 😎
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December 6, 2014 5:54pm
OneTrack

“I don’t recall Cameron Slater ever protesting against the Auckland Supercity that was forced upon Auckland regional citizens and ratepayers by the John Key led National/ACT Government in 2009?”

That was when many thought it sounded a good idea. We didn’t realise the ratepayers would be outvoted by a bunch of people who wanted free stuff and somebody else to pay for it so would vote for the narcisist looney Len and his dreams of bankrupting the city.
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December 6, 2014 5:56pm
nasska

What on Earth gives Anglican Christians a monopoly on a day we remember the fallen soldiers who went to their deaths with religious crap & supposed blessings ringing in their ears?

Can’t we remember the brave & fallen without mumbo jumbo about the Great Sky Pixie?
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December 6, 2014 5:58pm
Griff

I find your sanctimonious allusions to traditional cultural practices etc, like Skater , purely hypoctritical given your the odd bile of hatred you dish up

You’re talking to the wrong guy matey, you seem to be under the impression I give a shit about anything you have to say.
Merry Christmas, fuck off

Ephesians 4:29
29 Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for bedification 2according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear.

Luke 6:45
The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.

Kowtow is obviously not a real Christian
just another catholic.
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December 6, 2014 5:58pm
OneTrack

“What do you want to get off your chest.”

Nothing right now mikey, it’s been a long day. Maybe after dinner.
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December 6, 2014 5:58pm
mikenmild

Oh, Harriet you want to rave on about that again do you? The New Zealand public has generously decided to fund the health and education of everyone. If you want to opt out of that provision, go for it, but don’t come to the taxpayer to subsidise your private, integrated or charter schools or medical insurance.
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December 6, 2014 6:00pm
Viking2

Harriet (5,165 comments) says:
December 6th, 2014 at 5:54 pm

So now you finaly admit that National takes taxes off the parents of kids at private schools – and then pays the private schools less to deliver a government mandated education to the kids – and within a ‘national framework’?

The truth Milky is that it is the parents of private school kids who subsidise those ‘educated’ by the state.
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Harriet.
Please spend sometime and post some links etc that show conclusively that the last statement is correct.

i.e. this bit.
that it is the parents of private school kids who subsidise those ‘educated’ by the state.

Making spurious farcical claims is standard crap for the religious.
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December 6, 2014 6:00pm
RF

ngatimzozart. 1.30pm. I see you are a newbie. Ok I followed up with a post at 9.31am pointing out that the white race was also guilty of terrible deeds. It’s the hypocricy of some of the Maori race who welcome the remains of the sold slaves back to nz as heros. My impression is that Maori believe they were wronged by the evil white race for taking the heads etc…. I have relations killed overseas in ww1 & ww2 and they rest in peace there with dignity. Maybe I should ask the Govt to bring them home.
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December 6, 2014 6:02pm
nasska

….”Kowtow is obviously not a real Christian
just another catholic.”…..

That stuff about understanding & tolerance is for Sunday Griff….today’s Saturday.
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December 6, 2014 6:04pm
lolitasbrother

Roger Sutton did a bloody good job in Christchurch
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December 6, 2014 6:10pm
Rowan

Michael @ 4.16

No Robin is a gutless coward, and yes we have seen the quality of “virtually all the evidence” which has been repeatedly shown to be 0.00000% convincing as found by the Privvy Council, the retrial jury, an independent judge etc.
What “I already know” is that you are a raving loon and a stupid old man that cannot substantiate anything you say and have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
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December 6, 2014 6:15pm
Steve (North Shore)

Penny is going to Wellington – woohoo!
Put your name down for the Wellington Supercity Mayor Penny, they need you far more than we do.
You can beat them easily going on your past results
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December 6, 2014 6:16pm
kowtow

Hey griff

I’ve never claimed to be a fucking saint, so go fuck yourself too.

There’s another quote about Jesus coming to save sinners , like me. Hahahaha.
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December 6, 2014 6:20pm
Rowan

“so I guess you could call me an atheist, or maybe a humanist, take your pick”

As you regularly demonstrate here, having convinced yourself that black is in fact white, that you have no logical reasoning or apply any brain at all in any of your arguments, so I would call you a rambling idiot, and suggest that the opposite conclusion of whatever you are arguing for would be more than likely to be correct.
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December 6, 2014 6:21pm
Nookin

Rowan, we will never really know for sure what happened but there is one thing I know for certain. You do your cause no good whatsoever by deliberately misrepresenting facts and resorting to abuse. I venture to suggest that most kiwiblog travelers have had a veritable gutsful of the abuse that has blighted thread after thread this week. Now, why dont you pull your head in and debate with some semblance of intelligence and grace.
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December 6, 2014 6:23pm
stephieboy

wowan,

Would you like to be included in my earlier wager .?

Odds on that the baby boy will be named Joe vs Robin.?

Please place your bet.!

Hopefully the newborn will aspire to do much better than Dad the paper boy.
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December 6, 2014 6:23pm
Rowan

Stupidboy
Not getting involved in any betting games with you, Whatever David and Liz decide to name their son is fine by me.
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December 6, 2014 6:26pm
kowtow

Betcha Dad won’t be keen on him doing a paper round.
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December 6, 2014 6:27pm
Harriet

Viking#

People pay taxes mostly on income and gst – we all pay the same rates – the same rules apply to everyone.

The government funds kids at public schools with more funding than they provide private schools with.

In other words – the private school kids and/or their parents are being ripped off. The government is either ‘taxing’ them or ‘fining’ them for not enrolloing their kids in a public school. The parents are out off pocket. Why are they paying ‘extra’ in tax?

The responsability of a child’s education falls on the parents. It’s the parents choice where the kids are to be educated.

No government should be allowed to charge you EXTRA – for NOT providing the service!!!!

How the fuck does National get away with that?
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December 6, 2014 6:28pm
Griff

Kowtow.
simply
for a simple guy
You are not a Christian.
As you have proven twice today already.
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December 6, 2014 6:29pm
kowtow

“What on Earth gives Anglican Christians a monopoly on a day we remember the fallen soldiers who went to their deaths with religious crap & supposed blessings ringing in their ears?”

Army tradition. What’s the problem?
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December 6, 2014 6:30pm
kowtow

griff

Who the fuck are you to stand in judgement of anyone on this blog?
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