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Chuck Bird

Cultural homophobia prompts HIV spike among Asian Kiwis

Gay and bisexual men are most at risk of HIV because of how they have sex, and anal sex is 18 times more prone to infection than vaginal sex.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11367024

What happened to individual responsibility? Surely the reason for someone getting HIV in most cases is their own responsibiliy not so called homophobes.

Also what happened to HIV screening for migrants? The majority of those infected were infected in Asia.
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December 2, 2014 8:01am
holysheet

Good to see the news about the tourist numbers up as a direct result of the Hobbit movies. 13% of all tourists coming here, have said they are visiting NZ as a result of theses movies being filmed here. Comrade kelly and her bunch of fuck wits can kiss Peter Jacksons arse.

For such a small investment from the taxpayers of NZ, we stand to reap these benefits for years to come. Tourism spend in Hobbiton (Matamata) is up from $7 million in 2008 to $35 million this year.
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December 2, 2014 8:01am
IGM

CB: Live like deviants, expect diseases like deviants . . . these filth get what they deserve, and I don’t want my taxes keeping them. Don’t forget Clark’s government brought in thousands of Aids infected, mostly from Africa.
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December 2, 2014 8:03am
Rodger Tocker

OMG,dirty politics,
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/63729725/Husband-of-ex-MP-loses-job-for-peek-at-records

Tho` don`t hold ur breath waiting for this to show up at granny Horrid,does`nt fit the narrative you know.
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December 2, 2014 8:03am
Keeping Stock

@ holysheet – and just imagine; if Helen Kelly, Little Andrew, Phil Goff and all their Labour colleagues had got their way, the Hobbit movies would have been made somewhere other than in New Zealand, and we would have missed out on all that tourism revenue and other benefits.

Never forget that Labour and the CTU were the Hobbit Haters.
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December 2, 2014 8:06am
Odakyu-sen

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11367244

Who elected the Tupuna Maunga o Tamaki Makaurau Authority and why do Aucklanders allow such nonsense? I hope Aucklanders are happy with what they get.

I’m sure there won’t be any meaningful protests.
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December 2, 2014 8:07am
Keeping Stock

Is this Rolf Harris’ way of saying that he was actually guilty all along?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11367355

Interesting the news on Harris dropping his appeal breaks on the morning a former National MP appears in court from breaching name suppression for the former All Black dubbed “New Zealand’s Rolf Harris” (and lunch companion of David Cunliffe)…
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December 2, 2014 8:13am
hj

Dumb quotes about Diversity

We have the ability to achieve, if we master the necessary goodwill, a common global society blessed with a shared culture of peace that is nourished by the ethnic, national and local diversities that enrich our lives.
— Mahnaz Afkhami

“We may have different religions, different languages, different colored skin, but we all belong to one human race.”
— Kofi Annan

“There are no nations! There is only humanity. And if we don’t come to understand that right soon, there will be no nations, because there will be no humanity.”
— Isaac Asimov

http://www.doonething.org/quotes/diversity-quotes.htm

Context is everything, elites have the red carpet rolled out for them whereas common humanity is engaged in a struggle. Diversity (as a goal) is played out in the context of developed countries where the idea is promoted that immigration is beneficial (beneficial for whom?); the benefits of immigration are contested (even Krugman disagrees). We may be of one “human race” but we evolved for the clan and that is wired in us.
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December 2, 2014 8:14am
OneTrack

” Who elected the Tupuna Maunga o Tamaki Makaurau Authority..”

Ah but we must move on from limited concepts like democracy and the people having a say.
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December 2, 2014 8:17am
oldpark

Was quite an ear opener last night on the Larry Williams show, .Larry was interviewing Fran O’Sullivan NZs most senior journalist, who is head and shoulders above the riff raff and sewer dwellers masquerading as “journalists” in Radio New Zealand, TVNZ, TV3, DOM POST,NEWSTALK ZB newsroom, who daily peddle lies rumour and innuendo regarding John Key and his association with Cameron Slater. Fran O’Sullivan, like most superb top journalists,must be a visionary. She said Cameron Slater was doing his job, in fact she spoke of him in a complimentary manner. Seems her instincts have worked out Cameron Slater, any day soon will reveal who the real purveyors and gutter participants are behind” Dirty Politics”.Maybe she already knows, and she wants to be one of the tiny handful of NZ Media ,who agree with Cameron Slater, and his quest to clean up the sick self serving pack of rat bags, who attempted to steal NZs legendary democracy.
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December 2, 2014 8:17am
Odakyu-sen

OneTrack

You mean like “the tyranny of the majority”? (Based on the notion that the needs of the individual outview those of the group.)
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December 2, 2014 8:20am
hj

holysheet (439 comments) says:
December 2nd, 2014 at 8:01 am

Good to see the news about the tourist numbers up as a direct result of the Hobbit movies.
……..
No country got rich on tourism.

That’s a lot of diesel, aviation fuel and gasoline (we haven’t had this much Co2 for one million years).

A sizeable chunk of the work will go to Chinese migrants (one just needs to keep ones eyes open).
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December 2, 2014 8:24am
holysheet

Penny “Kimmy, look at me kimmy, look at me kimmy,” not so, Bright, is only on here daily because of the attention she thinks she deserves.
Imagine the kudos she would get if she just paid her rates.
Meant of course in a caring way

Sorry couldn’t help myself. Got to go to work to pay my way and keep me and the missus out of “poverty”
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December 2, 2014 8:26am
Floyd60

The mainstream media are subject to much more public scrutiny and are held to a higher level of accountability than other media – bloggers, public relations companies, infometrics organisations etc. who are often paid by their ‘Johns’.
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December 2, 2014 8:30am
mandk

@ holysheet

2.75 million international visitors x $2,300 average spend x 13% here because of the Hobbit = $822 million in just one year.

Not a bad return for the country.
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December 2, 2014 8:39am
Keeping Stock

@ mandk – but hj doesn’t want their money if they’re Chinese. He certainly does a fine (if xenophobic, repetitive and tedious) job of channelling Winston Peters.
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December 2, 2014 8:43am
waikatogirl

Angry Little was on TV1 this morning accusing Cameron Slater of being a sociopath. Angry Little speculates that JK couldn’t severe ties with Slater because apparently he has texts from our beloved PM that undermine the National Party caucus and front bench. Yeah right!
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December 2, 2014 8:43am
waikatogirl

Interesting the news on Harris dropping his appeal breaks on the morning a former National MP appears in court from breaching name suppression for the former All Black dubbed “New Zealand’s Rolf Harris” (and lunch companion of David Cunliffe)…

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Good luck to this rebel who will be in court today for doing the right thing!!!
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December 2, 2014 8:48am
hj

Don Brash on immigration
http://www.donbrash.com/nationals-immigration-plan-a-responsible-middle-course/
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December 2, 2014 8:58am
peterwn

Floyd60 – A very dubious proposition. I doubt that the average Fairfax shareholder or prospective MZME shareholder is aware of the kamikaze behaviour of the staffs of the DomPost or Herald employees. If Cam’s new media concept makes it to IPO stage, it could well be a worthwhile investment.
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December 2, 2014 8:58am
flipper

Waikato…

The former All Black may be many things, most of them questionable, but he is no Rolf Harris.
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December 2, 2014 9:00am
oldpark

Cloth cap union installed Little Andy Cap, or is it Little Andy rat. Elected by a 1% landslide,over some guy called Robertson.He seems to have lost,rumour when he is on the charge ,he fires blanks.
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December 2, 2014 9:02am
hj

Bit of a difference Brash and Key:

Instead of immigration adding interesting diversity, skills and energy to our society, under current policies immigration has become a process which is threatening to change the very nature of our society.

And I think it is that factor – the risk that immigration could radically change the nature of our society – which underlies the very genuine concern many people have about immigration.

That is one of the reasons why National is focused on lifting New Zealand incomes, on catching up with the rest of the developed world, so that we and our children and our grandchildren will choose to build our futures here in New Zealand.

http://www.donbrash.com/nationals-immigration-plan-a-responsible-middle-course/

What do you want to be remembered for?”
“Going back to that main point I think it was Muldoon who famously said “I want to leave the country in no worse condition than I found it”.
“Isn’t that a low ambition?”
“Yes I want to leave the country in better condition than I found it and if theres something (I genuinely beleive) It would be lifting our confidence to a certain degree about how we see our selves in the world and what we think we are capable of achieving. Now I think individually there is masses of ambition that sits out there there but can we actually take that and convert that to take the opportunity .
And I always thought what was happening in the opposition of politics (of course they would oppose National, that’s their job actually apart from everything else) but it was a bit negative about out place in the world. So we played a bit about whether people coming here was a good or bad thing whether people should invest here was a good or bad thing, or whether we have a trade agreement with parts of Asia was a good or bad thing, but actually in my mind, the reason that I want to say yes to those things is because they are the opportunities that reflect our opportunities to both get wealthier (which is all about what you can do with that money) and then ultimately the oppurtunities for Kiwis. I’d like New Zealanders to feel (after my time as Prime Minister) they have become more confident outward looking nation more multicultural.

http://www.tv3.co.nz/CAMPBELL-LIVE-Monday-September-22-2014/tabid/3692/articleID/103019/MCat/2908/Default.aspx

Now national’s policy is increase the population to (allegedly) achieve agglomeration benefits. They get away with it because labour/ Green are nutters.
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December 2, 2014 9:10am
flipper

Help!!!!
Help, griffie. Where are you? The world needs you. Why?

**** ” Only three days left to save The Earth
Prof Penny Sackett, Herald Sun December 04, 2009

“We’ve got 5 years to save world says Australia’s chief scientist Professor Penny Sackett

“THE planet has just five years to avoid disastrous global warming, says the Federal Government’s chief scientist.
Prof Penny Sackett yesterday urged all Australians to reduce their carbon footprint.

“The professor said even if all the world stopped producing carbon dioxide immediately, temperature increases of 1.3C were unavoidable.

“Asked to explain data that showed the earth had been cooling in recent years, the trained astrophysicist acknowledged air temperatures had levelled during the La Nina weather pattern, now nearing an end.”

“Disastrous Global Warming will be locked in by Thursday I would say. Start packing the bunker. ”

Keep reading at Jonova.com.au

Rating: 9.1/10 (121 votes cast)

“http://joannenova.com.au/2014/12/only-three-days-left-to-save-the-earth/
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December 2, 2014 9:18am
hj

I see Helen Clark’s husband is a sociologist.
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December 2, 2014 9:19am
hj

@ flipper. What was the climate like one million years ago?
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December 2, 2014 9:21am
Nostalgia-NZ

Former All Black and former MP, sounds the like the preliminaries to a boxing bout. Good to see that the Law is applied with consistency to bloggers and former MPs alike.
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December 2, 2014 9:23am
flipper

hj…..

Need to check detail with my brother, a geological engineer (he says it is “all in the rocks”) of international repute, but off the top of my head, I would say much, much warmer. 🙂
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December 2, 2014 9:33am
Keeping Stock

@ Nostalgia – given the former MP has been tweeting from the waiting room at the Court this morning, I doubt he’ll be seeking special favours. He knew exactly what he was doing, and what the consequences would be.

But as I noted last night, name suppression is largely irrelevant in this digital age we now live in. Anyone who wants to know who the former All Black and lunch companion of the former Leader of the Opposition is will know by now.
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December 2, 2014 9:34am
Griff

Yip flipper about the right level for you.
Joe Nova
Kiddy TV presenter.
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December 2, 2014 9:35am
Keeping Stock

Update to my 9.34am – Tau Henare has tweeted that his case has been stood down for two weeks. He did not seek name suppression!
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December 2, 2014 9:41am
flipper

Years ago, Bob Jones and Chris Stevenson, campaigned successfully against the Rowling government.

One of their more successful slogans was “MATT RATA READS COMICS”.

The modern equivalent is “griffie reads and believes IPCC fiction”.
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December 2, 2014 9:50am
flipper

Keeping Stock (10,458 comments) says:

December 2nd, 2014 at 9:41 am

Update to my 9.34am – Tau Henare has tweeted that his case has been stood down for two weeks. He did not seek name suppression!

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Well, it really is a case of one type of pot calling another…. Is it not?
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December 2, 2014 9:53am
MT_Tinman

From memory MAT RATA READS COMICS was a billboard not a slogan.
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December 2, 2014 9:54am
flipper

Tinman…yes it was, but also a slogan. The billboard was erected on Robert Jones House.
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December 2, 2014 9:57am
waikatogirl

Tau Henare to reappear in court next month for sentencing for breaching name suppression of the South Island creep who assaulted the woman who won the right to lift her own name suppression.

Good luck Tau. For once I agree with you. 🙂
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December 2, 2014 10:05am
Inandout

hj: Helen’s husband lives in NZ, whilst Helen lives in New York. He is a Medical Sociolologist, she is a career politician. Both have never had real jobs apparently.
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December 2, 2014 10:05am
Keeping Stock

Not at all flipper. Henare has his reasons for breaching the suppression order against the former All Black, and he is prepared to accept the consequences of his actions. For that he should be commended.
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December 2, 2014 10:06am
BeaB

I am less happy about reading WO these days because I hate his attacks on John Key and the National Government.

They seem nasty, personal and a bit crazed. Is he preparing to jeopardise one of the best governments we have ever had to satisfy his own vendettas?

Am I alone in my unease?
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December 2, 2014 10:07am
waikatogirl

Flipper, I didn’t compare him to Rolf Harris, who is a truly dispicable human being. I was praising Tau for having the balls to stand up for something at most of society can see is wrong. Especially since the victim has set aside her own name suppression.
Lovely day for a name suppression revolution 😉
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December 2, 2014 10:08am
Ross12

” Yip flipper about the right level for you.
Joe Nova
Kiddy TV presenter.”

So one of Griff’s high level experts makes a significant claim in 2009 and is now simply being reminded of it by a blogger when actual events have shown the claim to be absolute bollocks.
All Griff can do is make his usual pathetic attempt to denigrate the character of the blogger.
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December 2, 2014 10:10am
BeaB

hj
He used to be a rather limp lecturer in sociology at Canterbury University.
It’s not only women who marry for money and fame.
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December 2, 2014 10:10am
IGM

Flipper: Remember Labour’s Credibility Barometer on the Quay? Also, students put a sticker on Matt Rata’s poster, stating he only farted in the bath!
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December 2, 2014 10:11am
waikatogirl

Sorry, case delayr. Getting over excited. Gardening time I think 😉
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December 2, 2014 10:13am
flipper

Keeping et al….

Of course you do know that Tau and the former AB have something unique in common, do you not?

Waikato….
No probs, I was simply saying that to my knowledge the former AB is not a kiddie fiddler. 🙂

BeaB …..
Did not Goff commandeer a RNZAF 777 to fly someone making a pest of himself in NY back to NZ???

IGM….
Yep, and also on Chris Stevenson’s Basin Reserve car yard. That is what Excel called “dirty politics” 🙂
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December 2, 2014 10:36am
flipper

Ross12 (1,458 comments) says:

December 2nd, 2014 at 10:10 am
****

And Joanne Nova, actually Joanne Evans, just happens to be married to one of real climate experts – not te gravy train mob.
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December 2, 2014 10:39am
Griff

Joe Nova should look out the window once in a while rather than just sitting there with her head firmly up her arse.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/

Australia observed its highest nationally-averaged maximum temperature for October since official records began in 1910, at 2.76°C (4.97°F) above the 1961–1990 average. Combined with the eighth highest October minimum temperature on record, the mean October temperature (average of maximum and minimum temperatures) for the country was the second highest on record at 1.91°C (3.44°F) above average, behind only 1988. The warmth was notable for its spread across Australia; New South Wales, South Australia, and Western Australia all had record high mean temperatures for the month while Victoria had its second highest.

The combined average temperature over global land and ocean surfaces for October 2014 was the highest on record for October, at 0.74°C (1.33°F) above the 20th century average of 14.0°C (57.1°F).

The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for the January–October period (year-to-date) was 0.68°C (1.22°F) above the 20th century average of 14.1°C (57.4°F). The first ten months of 2014 were the warmest such period on record.
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December 2, 2014 10:42am
Keeping Stock

Indeed they have flipper, but I’m not going to say anything more. The common denominator is well-enough known without further suppression breaches.
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December 2, 2014 10:43am
Inandout

BeaB Pete at WO is today spinning their stats as to why they are getting less visitors, so maybe Cam hopes to attract some from the Left to bolster his readership.
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December 2, 2014 10:44am
Paulus

Pete at WO has banned so many people – no wonder that the readership is falling.
He is getting like Little – I got the foreman’s job at last.
I for one will not go back – having been a very strong WO supporter for many years – and I know that I am not alone.
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December 2, 2014 10:56am
Griff

“one of real climate experts”
😆
Not even flipper
Not even a rocket scientist just another paid dis informer
http://www.desmogblog.com/david-evans
Here is a demolishing of his pet climate theory.
http://motls.blogspot.co.nz/2014/06/david-evans-notch-filter-theory-of.html
we wait with baited breath for his predicted cooling to start
Its already a few months late
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December 2, 2014 10:58am
Inandout

Flipper: Matt Rata apparently did more with his hands than read comics, well according to those staffers of the fairer sex.
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December 2, 2014 10:59am
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ Herald is not naming ex MP who appeared in court today, but Stuff is.
Obviously pays to read around to find out what’s going on….. tho’ perhaps I could just stick to reading KB to get all my news and views.
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December 2, 2014 11:00am
wf

MAT RATA READS COMICS was also sprayed on the big blank wall on the left as you came down Willis St next to the dental school.

It was a point of amusement because everyone ‘got it’.

‘Griff reads and believes IPCC’ doesn’t resonate in the same way because who reads and believes IPCC?
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December 2, 2014 11:03am
Maggy Wassilieff

“we wait with baited breath for his predicted cooling to start”

well I think its begun…. I’ve got the heater on, three layers of merino woolies clothing my well-padded frame, and I’m bluddy cold.
(and I thought Gizzie had a sub-tropical clime!)
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December 2, 2014 11:06am
flipper

Inandout (117 comments) says:

December 2nd, 2014 at 10:59 am
****

So I believe. But I would never accuse grffie, the modern day comic reader and serial bullshit repeater, of doing that sort of thing.
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December 2, 2014 11:09am
flipper

wf (470 comments) says:

December 2nd, 2014 at 11:03

****

OK, that is true, the bell only tinkles, so I stand corrected. 🙂
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December 2, 2014 11:11am
flipper

Keeping…

Quite!
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December 2, 2014 11:13am
waikatogirl

Maggy: NZ Herald is not naming ex MP who appeared in court today, but Stuff is.

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It was announced all over Radio Live news. Tau didn’t ask for name suppression.

Most people already seem to know who Tau wants to out so, as they say, the cat is out of the bag 😉
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December 2, 2014 11:17am
Redbaiter

“She remains very rancid mutton masquerading as a dead, maggot infested lamb.”

Whaleoil about Michelle Boag.

That is cowardly and gross.

Slater is just a cheap thug.

I am surprised his wife, writing in agreement, apparently agrees with that kind of attack on another women.
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December 2, 2014 11:23am
waikatogirl

hj: I see Helen Clark’s husband is a sociologist.

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Anyone else remember when he ran out of rubbish bags so put a suitcase, presumably full of rubbish, outside the PM’s house to be collected. The bomb squad was called To blow up a suspect package! lol 😉
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December 2, 2014 11:24am
Redbaiter

” one of the best governments we have ever had ”

Jesus wept.
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December 2, 2014 11:25am
wikiriwhis business

http://expandedconsciousness.com/2014/11/30/monsanto-sues-maui-for-banning-gmos-2/

Monsanto suing for GMO’s. Exactly what will happen when our traitorous Spectator PM signs the TPP.
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December 2, 2014 11:27am
howitis

Bob Jones did a better serve on the Matt Rata era government. He published the book “The First Twelve Months – The Achievements of The Third Labour Government”. This scholarly work was completely blank inside from cover to cover.
Nice sledge!
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December 2, 2014 11:38am
Inandout

Redbaiter: I sincerely hope Cam is not slipping back to his previous very nasty, loose canon ways, and this type of outburst won’t help his declining blog traffic. Does the man never learn that you can’t expect high standards from commenters, whilst acting like a bottom feeder. SB should reign him in before he completely destroys his blog.
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December 2, 2014 11:40am
Shawn Herles

“They seem nasty, personal and a bit crazed. Is he preparing to jeopardise one of the best governments we have ever had to satisfy his own vendettas? Am I alone in my unease?”

No. Personally I wish he would put the blog on hiatus and have a holiday somewhere, away from NZ. My concern is that he will allow his ego to rule and and go scorched Earth on National, without any concern for the results.
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December 2, 2014 11:41am
Redbaiter

“My concern is that he will allow his ego to rule and and go scorched Earth on National, without any concern for the results.”

Maybe you could put a hoodoo on him.
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December 2, 2014 11:43am
Rodger Tocker

Last week the KDC lickspittle rag had him him sooking and bleating that he was broke ,yesterday his lawyer was skiting in court he made 40 mil while on bail.
Maybe the hopelessly compromised senior reporter Gurnard could avail us of the truth,or would that be a bridge too far in todays media climate?
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December 2, 2014 11:43am
BeaB

Shawn
My thoughts exactly.
Perhaps his wife and whoever is ‘Pete’ could get some perspective back.
The MSM is so biased, lazy and ignorant that they don’t need any assistance. They have painted a picture of WO that sadly he seems to want to prove to be accurate.
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December 2, 2014 11:47am
Inandout

Paulus: I have noticed that Pete is getting ‘alongside’ and ‘chummy’ with commenters now, probably hoping the back and forth chit chat will lift the figures. I could not return and put up with the sycophantcy.
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December 2, 2014 11:52am
wikiriwhis business

Keiser Report: ‘Numpty’ Taxes

In this episode of the Keiser Report, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert discuss ‘numpty’ taxes and ‘stupid’ Ireland as bankers and central bankers treat everyone else like the ‘muppets’ they believe we are. They also discuss Angela Merkel refusing to meet with Timothy Geithner and how it is that QE is causing deflation. In the second half, Max interviews Matt Taibbi about his Rolling Stone exclusive on the JP Morgan whistleblower, Alayne Fleischmann, who was interviewed in the previous episode of the Keiser Report.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj1qIBu78w8
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December 2, 2014 11:57am
stigie

“I see Helen Clark’s husband is a sociologist”.

Also Ms Klark wept at her wedding…not through complete happiness but having to be married !~
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December 2, 2014 11:57am
Shawn Herles

“Maybe you could put a hoodoo on him.”

That would be a hex, not a hoodoo. Hoodoo is a very old Celtic term that likely just means root, as in roots and herbs.
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December 2, 2014 11:58am
Shawn Herles

BeaB,

Yes, the problem though is that I don’t think he’s in a headspace to listen to reason. He will be in full victim/paranoia mode and likely unable to hear what he needs to hear.
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December 2, 2014 12:01pm
OTGO

Someone should remind the southern climate that global warming is happening http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/325695/summer-delayed-storm-pattern-persists
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December 2, 2014 12:05pm
kowtow

Hong Kong activists beat off duty police officer senseless.

http://www.thestandard.com.hk/news_detail.asp?pp_cat=30&art_id=151932&sid=43465749&con_type=1
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December 2, 2014 12:07pm
Fletch

Two teens in Ferguson beat a white tourist to death with hammers. Shouts of “F— the white people. Kill the white people” were heard by those at the scene.

http://www.bobmccarty.com/2014/12/01/exclusive-hammers-attack-video-from-south-st-louis/

http://fox2now.com/2014/11/30/man-dies-after-being-struck-by-hammers/
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December 2, 2014 1:00pm
Manolo

The Poms have embraced multiculturalism (and are killing themselves in the process). But stephieboy will be delighted: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2855330/Nur-Maryam-join-Muhammad-baby-names-list-Royal-relegation-continues-George-falling-five-places.html

Surge in Arabic names this year with Omar, Ali and Ibrahim all in top 100.
For girls, Maryam has shot to number 35, while Nur is new entry.
Muhammad rose astonishing 27 places to claim the number-one spot.
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December 2, 2014 1:00pm
dime

What the moron pete at WO doesnt understand, is a successful blog owes a lot to its regular contributors.

there are a ton of people who read the comments section without actually commenting themselves. my brother for one.

take away the funny as fuck regulars and youre left with a boring comments section.

i cant wait til pete gets the sack.. i mean quits.
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December 2, 2014 1:02pm
wikiriwhis business

The mythology has long been that National is the Party of business and business is good for the country. In actuality, National is the party of self-interested big business. The historical evidence is quite clear, Labour has long been the party that has offered business, all business, the best opportunities. NZ leads the world in free Trade deals, all but one negotiated by Labour Governments. Fonterrra, the worlds largest player in the global trade in Dairy, was only possible because of the measures taken by the first Labour government who guaranteed a price for butter fat and enabled dairy farmers the financial opportunity to plan and developed the world’s most advanced dairy systems. The booming media arts sector all happened under the tutillage of arts Minister Helen Clarke, and so it goes on. National is the party of ‘steady as she goes, Labour is the party of reform, social progression and creative innovation. This is why David Cunliffe failed as a Labour leader. He was too conservative and backward looking, this is why the less charismatic Andrew little will succeed. He is a progressive reformer, exactly what NZ expects from its Labour leaders.

Andrew Johnstone
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December 2, 2014 1:07pm
kowtow

Two teens in Ferguson beat a white tourist to death with hammers. Shouts of “F— the white people. Kill the white people” were heard by those at the scene.

Obummer is spending hundreds of millions of money he doesn’t have to bring the police into the 21st C.(cameras on cops) Pity his fellow racists refuse to live in the 21st C and insist on robbing stores and murdering white folk and then blameing it all on someone else.

Its a pity politicians wont allow themselves to be held to the high standard of srcutiny they now want to place their emplyees (the police) under.

In res[ect of the murdered tourist I don’t expect the media to make much of that and I very much doubt that white folk will be burning any businesses down.
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December 2, 2014 1:26pm
Yvette

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Questions for Ministers, Today –
Dr RUSSEL NORMAN to the Prime Minister: How many of the 46 journalists currently holding full Press Gallery accreditation had he advised of his new cellphone number by the end of October, after his number was changed following the Whaledump document release?
ANDREW LITTLE to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by any of his statements last week about the Gwyn report and about his relationship with Cameron Slater?
Rt Hon WINSTON PETERS to the Prime Minister: Does he stand by all his statements?

Recent Opposition efforts to smear Cameron Slater are unprecedented.
But then it is widely announced that Slater is setting up a new media outlet.

11/11/2014 – Interview details for applicants will be announced shortly. We’re hiring! Here are some of the vacancies we need to fill:News Editor, Chief Reporter, Production Editor, Filing Editor, Political Editor (Wellington based), Senior Reporters, Junior Reporters, Data Journalists, Sports Reporters, Drone Operators, Video Editors, Camera Operators, Office Administrators, Receptionist, Personal Assistants, Graphic Designers, IT Support
Additionally, there are a limited number of intern positions available.
Contributors are also welcome to apply.
If you feel you can add value to Freed, please send your CV and examples to work@freed.co.nz.
– http://freed.nz/

In what they are doing in Question Time, should not those involved be charged with Misleading Parliament, a corrupt conflict of interests, employing Dirty [indirect] Politics or other unprofessional behaviour in their efforts to besmirch the owner of a future media outlet which is unlikely for favour the Opposition?
What else explains such a concerted and obvious obsession?
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December 2, 2014 1:29pm
waikatogirl

CrimdotCon announces that he is going to launch the Internet Party in the USA. Is that a bit like the fox setting up shop in the hen house?! Can’t see the Movie Mogels putting up with that happening.

Does that mean said big fat boy is voluntarily moving to the States? Oh look, just saw a pig fly past…
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December 2, 2014 2:32pm
Longknives

Kowtow-

Well said from the St Louis Police Association…

http://www.newsweek.com/nfl-players-clash-police-association-over-ferguson-support-288166
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December 2, 2014 3:08pm
flipper

Yvette (2,861 comments) says:

December 2nd, 2014 at 1:29 pm

FREED

Questions for Ministers, Today –
*****

Yvette…..

Can you hear all the teeth gnashing in Auckland and Wellington????
You know, the MSM dickheads, particularly TVNZ, TV3, Herald and Stuffed, who predicted Key bashing today.

What a wet bus ticket. It broke apart before it even reached Key’s wrist. Just a pathetic non event.

Boohooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

But they wont present it as it was.
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December 2, 2014 3:12pm
stigie

I think the Prime Minister got his own back in question time today, and it may even be worse for the opposition tomorrow !~

Well done John Key for sticking it to the pricks today !!
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December 2, 2014 3:23pm
Nookin

Tell us more, Stigie?
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December 2, 2014 3:27pm
cricko

Poor old Jacinda Ardern took a very bad spanking today in Parliament

Ms Tolley spanked her, and the Speaker spanked her during her first question since being demoted.

And when the Speaker is speaking to her directly and explaining to her why her points of order are not upheld…
(has Jacinda ever had a point of order uphed, ever ?)
she refuses to look at him.

Just petulant little girl stuff.
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December 2, 2014 3:28pm
stigie

Cricko has just told you who got spanked today Nookin !~
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December 2, 2014 3:30pm
Longknives

To be honest- Jacinda getting a “spanking” pricked my interest!
Then you had to go and mention Tolley….
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December 2, 2014 3:34pm
Keeping Stock

Sledge of the Day belongs to John Key who told Russel Norman that, whilst he (Norman) was at the Dotcom mansion for lunch, “his high horse got Ebola” 😀
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December 2, 2014 3:35pm
Manolo

A brave woman is captured figthing against the savages:
http://globalnews.ca/news/1700257/canadian-israeli-woman-reportedly-captured-by-isis/
http://www.lastampa.it/2014/12/01/esteri/gill-la-ragazza-ebrea-al-fianco-dei-curdi-catturata-dallisis-FcBh39T0iTaxMXV2xdlfnI/pagina.html
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December 2, 2014 3:35pm
Kimbo

@ cricko

Poor old Jacinda Ardern took a very bad spanking today in Parliament…

Just petulant little girl stuff.

But…but…she is the next Labour deputy leader, and has a degree in Communications from Waikato University!
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December 2, 2014 3:38pm
stigie

And she worked in a fish n chip shop Kimbo lets not forget ?
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December 2, 2014 4:02pm
Rowan

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11367582
What a joke! Whale barely even qualifies as a blog, to consider his hate rag as potentially “award winning” is just an insult to every other NZ blog site including KB and just a joke!
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December 2, 2014 4:11pm
cricko

Speaking of Jacinda.

The thing is, she just lacks the intellect.

Paula Bennet smacked her down with ease every time she poked her head up. “Zip it sweetie.” for eg. was a beauty.

Now it seems Anne Tolley will deal with her in the same way.

One of Jacindas telling moments (and the look on her face as she sat down was priceless) was recently when
she jumped up, full of indignation for a point of order.

Jacinda…”Mr Speaker, the question I asked was…..blah, blah, blah, and the Minister failed to address it
at all.”
Speaker…”If the member had paid attention, she would have heard, the first word of the ministers answer was, ‘ No. ‘ “
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December 2, 2014 4:22pm
Inandout

Rowan: The only satisfaction I would get from WO winning the award would be to stick it up the Herald.
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December 2, 2014 4:43pm
Inandout

‘A nine-year-old Sydney girl has allegedly left the country to be married overseas, just one of a dozen cases since June, a women’s health service says.

The Immigrant Women’s Health Service in western Sydney said it received a tip-off on Monday about a case involving a nine-year-old child bride.

The service spoke to the girl’s mother but said it could not get specific information. It is suspected the girl will be married in the Middle East’.

Ah, the religion in pieces, but not unexpected when you consider their head sherang was a pedo. And of course the parents will get off scot free.
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December 2, 2014 4:49pm
holysheet

Our little pony cannot hear the replys above the gnashing of her teeth.
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December 2, 2014 5:00pm
mikenmild

Yes, Anne Tolley was quite clear that the government did not intend to set any measurable targets to reduce child poverty because she is not even sure what child poverty is.
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