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December 26, 2014 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 26 December 2014

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Fletch

Griff, Judean historian Josephus, states that at the Siege of Jerusalem (70), “the soldiers out of rage and hatred, nailed those they caught, one after one way, and another after another, to the crosses, by way of jest.” Bones have also been found with nails.

http://www.themoorings.org/apologetics/crucifixion/cruc.html
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December 26, 2014 9:46pm
Viking2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tw7LIykvBw
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December 26, 2014 10:02pm
SPC

There were no idols or statues or images made of Jesus, his mother, or any of the disciples and apostles in their lifetimes.

There was no actual image of any of them to base the ones subsequently made on.
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December 26, 2014 10:57pm
SPC

As for the use of nails and rope to connect people to the wooden crosses – it was one or the other.

There were also two forms of cross, one form (a bit of a seat to diminish the hanging effect) allowed a person to stay alive longer.

If the purpose was to intimidate a population (or to provoke associates to try and rescue them etc) – a slow death was preferred, as a display of consequences (and as entrapment).

If however it was simply part of a more widespread and numerous brutal slaughter (such as of those who had withstood a long siege) then nails and heavy hanging was more likely.
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December 26, 2014 11:04pm
cha

Bugger.

http://nypost.com/2014/12/24/us-offer-5m-reward-for-al-qaeda-leader-released-from-gitmo/
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December 26, 2014 11:14pm
stephieboy

SPC, your right but there is this great human yearning, hunger and curiosity to ponder and reflect about what Christ, his Mother and what the apostles may of looked like.

Christianity unlike Judasim and Islam has no specific prohibition against images or imagery.
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December 26, 2014 11:37pm
Left Right and Centre

L R & C: Racial profiling is the Standard’s area, just leave it to the socialist scum. Both Key and Robinson are Jews, as you well know.

No – I did not know that Tony Robinson was Jewish. Why would you assume that I would ? And when it comes up that John Key has Jewish roots I think – ah yeah, ok . . .sure – he’s a bit Jewish or something. Really ? I don’t know why I’d give a f&%k if either of them are one thing or another – I was watching TV – it was Tony Robinson presenting – and I thought his eyes remind me of John Key’s eyes. People will just have to believe me when I type that nowhere did anything Jewish related enter my thought process. People need to lighten up a bit. As I’ve typed this I’ve realised that both of them remind me a bit in the eyes of an ex female friend. That’s what I do – show me a person and I can likely tell you who else they look like.

Eg: Rowan Atkinson ? The Food Truck dude. Jenna Elfman ? Bette Midler. Trust me – there’s no underlying evil nastiness of having a go at someone because I’m opposed to them etc; take it at face value – literally. 20 downticks – hahahaha

And anyway – I don’t see anything ‘Jewish’ looking about either of them – I just assumed they’re both white and that’s it.
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December 27, 2014 4:22am
Left Right and Centre

LR & C

Get a life

Yes sir. A life you say. A life. A life might be good. I don’t think I’ve ever really had a life. Not a continuous one. Maybe when I was a young child. Life was good then. But you don’t realise what a life is at that age – so it’s sort of wasted on you. Youth is wasted on the young.

Wouldn’t that be wonderful if you could go online and ‘get a life’. The life website. I’ll take one life please. They’ve got Paypal. Sweet !! Add to cart. I’m on a life diet. I’m living ‘life lite’. It’s looking like a living death followed shortly by death death. I could’ve been so much more. I could’ve been a contender.

Is that what can happen after sex ? You get a life ? I mean – that’s where we all came from. Two adult humans procreating to produce a life. They get a life. They get one and lose another – their own. Am I being told to father children ? Or get a pet ? I miss having a cat. But they die and it’s painful like nothing else.

Receiving any kind of reply is a form of social inclusion in contrast to outright rejection – one is deemed worthy of interaction. It’s a small step for an internet blog – a giant leap for getting a life ?
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December 27, 2014 5:55am
Hugh Pavletich

DOES THE SHIPLEY TEAM HAVE THE SKILLS TO SORT OUT DYSFUNCTIONAL CHRISTCHURCH GOVERNANCE ?

Posted at … http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/12/general_debate_26_december_2014.html with extensive further comments on thread …

Jenny Shipley: Canterbury must ‘keep momentum’ … Lois Cairns … The Press

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/64485087/Jenny-Shipley-Canterbury-must-keep-momentum

… Pavletich comment … in moderation …

The major problem the Dame Jenny Shipley and CERA Transition Committee has, is the bureaucratically bloated Christchurch City Council is still severely dysfunctional.

Sadly … Mayor Lianne Dalziel with her new team, where 9 of 13 were replaced at the October 2013 Local Government elections, have achieved very little to date in sorting out the Christchurch Council.

They have yet to sort themselves out.

Clearly the Government is keen to shut down CERA, with its 350 staff ( incorporating 21 in public relations manufacturing progress fiction ) as quickly as possible, following the Sutton / Rennie debacle.

I covered some of the issues soon after with JUST MORE BUREAUCRATIC INSTITUTIONAL FAILURE …

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1411/S00539/just-more-bureaucratic-institutional-failure.htm

So of necessity, a major part of Dame Jenny Shipley and her teams job will be to ensure the Christchurch Council restructures itself, so that it is capable of performing to an acceptable level.

The smaller units of local government at Waimakariri and Selwyn are in contrast functioning normally.

Do Dame Jenny Shipley and her team have the skills and will to do this essential job. That’s the big question.

Hugh Pavletich
Co-author Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/ & http://info.scoop.co.nz/Hugh_Pavletich
Christchurch
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December 27, 2014 7:34am
G152

And all that rubbish about carrying his/hers/its crosses to where ever …
They would have been a permanent fixture as crucifixion was the execution method of the day…
A badly told story based upon false claims and with roots in previous civilisations and societies fables
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December 27, 2014 8:35am
Fletch

G152, in one of the movies (not sure if it was Passion Of The Christ, or Jesus of Nazareth), Jesus is carrying the crosspiece which is eventually connected to the upright which is already in place. If you think about it, the cross (or part of it, ie the horizontal crosspiece) would have to be lying on the ground first for the person to be nailed to it. The cross would then have to be erected. Therefore, the cross, or part of it, would not be permanent.
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December 27, 2014 9:51am
Monique Angel

It’s tribute season for all the poor dead bastards of 2014
http://www.enlightenedhousewife.com/2014/12/christmas-2014-downside-for-dead-celebs/
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