General Debate 25 December 2014

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Sofia

Penny Bright, Happy Christmas 🙂
sincerely, Sofia
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December 25, 2014 8:00am
waitakereman

Merry Xmas from West Auckland!!!!
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December 25, 2014 8:07am
waikatogirl

Merry christmas everyone. Been up for 2 hours getting food sorted for later so my old mother isn’t under my feet! 🙂 ham in the oven, chickens stuffed and ready to go.

Weather beautiful and pressies to open 🙂

Hope everyone has a great day!
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December 25, 2014 8:15am
Mike

Happy Holidays to everyone!
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December 25, 2014 8:15am
jack185

Ho ho ho
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December 25, 2014 8:20am
bc

Who you calling a ho?
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December 25, 2014 8:31am
IGM

I hope Evan Harding, of Fairfax, is supplying the overbreeding feral family of Invercargill, with whom he played politics, much Christmas fare. After all, they did sate his desire to try and make the Sallies look bad . . . Cam Slater really showed what, yet another scribe, masquerading as a journo, is worth.
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December 25, 2014 8:39am
Jack5

What ho, BC? The ho-down is until New Year’s Eve. Right oh?

Eat, drink, enjoy, folks.

For a laugh, and to dodge helping with the meal, if you haven’t already looked at the Hooerald site, scroll down to the item about the ex-News of the World (Hacking Central) reporter, Vance, receiving an apology over her phone records being accessed by Parliamentary Service, when it was trying to track the source of a leak.

First, poor John Key’s is the main picture used, though his name doesn’t appear in the report. Talk about MSM obsession! You lost, suckers, get over it.

Second, we have over Key’s shoulder reporter Vance, the face that launched a thousand tips.

Nah! What was the fuss about? Wouldn’t risk the missus confiscating my cellphone.
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December 25, 2014 8:43am
Viking2

Seems Dotcom was just the test case with more legal action happening in the states.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/64459010/pharrell-williams-to-sue-youtube-1-billion-over-copyright

Music industry manager Irving Azoff claims YouTube has failed to demonstrate it has the performance rights to about 20,000 songs belonging to artists represented by his newly-created outfit, Global Music Rights. Within the GMR catalogue are tracks by John Lennon, Smokey Robinson, George and Ira Gershwin and Chris Cornell.

Of the many content providers such as Spotify that are aggrieving traditional music publishers, Azoff says YouTube and owner Google are the “worst offenders”.
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December 25, 2014 8:54am
Pete George

Stuff rate Nicky Hager number 1 for making New Zealand ‘a better place’ this year.

Say what you want about him, his book Dirty Politics exposed high-level interactions between unsavoury characters and the Government.

It dropped a bomb on the election campaign and should help to make New Zealand’s politicians more wary of entering into dirty political tactics.

If that was the least he achieved then he has made New Zealand a better place this year.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/64448137/5-people-who-made-nz-a-better-place–and-7-who-didnt

It’s yet to be seen whether Hager’s book and the associated campaign makes New Zealand better place.

This will partly be up to media and journalists, who have been willing enablers of dirty politics.
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December 25, 2014 8:54am
Pete George

And including Prince George in the five making New Zealand a better place is an insult to many New Zealanders who made a real difference.
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December 25, 2014 8:57am
wiseowl

PG.
That just underlines what we know about journos in this country.

Best place for Hagers book is the bin.
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December 25, 2014 9:01am
IGM

Jack: Parliamentary Service, is run by Clerk of the House . . . he is so far left, he makes Sue Bradford appear a capitalist.
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December 25, 2014 9:03am
srylands

The stuff list of people who made New Zealand a better place is retarded. Some gang members are good guys. Mike Hosking is a bad guy because he has ‘biased beliefs’. What a waste of space.
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December 25, 2014 9:05am
Rodger

That Stuff list is just another example of how journalism in this country has hit the bottom of the barrel and is still digging.
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December 25, 2014 9:11am
oldpark

:Stuff” A graveyard of has beens and nobodies. They consist of a crowd of low renters,trying to justify their journalistic existence.Sadly they failed to cut the mustard,with their made up fantasies about ratbags like Hager ,Vance,Russel Abnormal ,Fatboy Dotcrim,plus a cast of thousands who voted commie “greens”.
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December 25, 2014 9:18am
Dave Mann

Merry Christmas everyone… hope you have a good one! Cheers 🙂
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December 25, 2014 9:26am
big bruv

Merry Christmas to all.

On the disgusting piece on Stuff. I note that the left wing hack who penned it did not have the balls to put his or her name to the article.
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December 25, 2014 9:27am
IGM

bb: The editor would be responsible.
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December 25, 2014 9:35am
IGM

Top marks to Prosser of NZ First for berating the slugs at Waikato Regional Council prosecuting a farmer for removing weeds. Come on National, time these low rent bureaucrats had their wings clipped, in every area they are getting more dictatorial and this must stop. Are we now required to gain resource consent to remove crap like hemlock and ragwort?
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December 25, 2014 9:53am
flipper

IGM..
The Clerk of the House is a lesbian
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December 25, 2014 9:53am
IGM

flipper: Hell, must have changed, I am really getting old. I thought it was still DM.
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December 25, 2014 9:55am
SGA

Merry Christmas to all, and a safe and happy holidays to you and your families.
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December 25, 2014 10:00am
flipper

Just finished a decadent breakfast of eggs, bacon, Bernaise, and two bottles of Moet Brut Imperial. That has set the day up nicely.

So, being now in a generous mood, I thought it only fair that I should, in wishing all Kiwibloggers A Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year, send something that everyone with a sense of humour can enjoy. 🙂
F

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJoXCwkPVi8
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December 25, 2014 10:02am
flipper

IGM….

Yeah buddy, it happens to everyone, self included. 🙂
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December 25, 2014 10:04am
flipper

Rodger (258 comments) says:

December 25th, 2014 at 9:11 am

That Stuff list is just another example of how journalism in this country has hit the bottom of the barrel and is still digging.
****

Hell, imagine what it would be like If Cunliffe and Red Melon HAD WON THE ELECTION.
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December 25, 2014 10:07am
Jack5

As Pete George and other posters point out, Stuff on Christmas Day really surprises with its choice of Hager the Horrible as No. 1 among those who made NZ a better place this year. This is sheer Hagerography, and at odds with the opinions of most NZ’ers, as the General Election showed.

Hagiography:

Any biography that idealises or idolises its subject; OR, biography of saint.

Hagerography:

Journalistic diatribe that idealises or idolises leftist propaganda inspired by conspiracy theory and based on stolen electronic chitter-chatter.
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December 25, 2014 10:20am
Steve (North Shore)

Hey miseryguts minus, you have missed 5 downticks. Stop slacking
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December 25, 2014 10:22am
Steve (North Shore)

Gee the grandkids are extra noisy this morning, but I can take it I guess. They live with me anyway so I am used to it. Wish I had their energy
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December 25, 2014 10:50am
David in Chch

Merry Christmas to all, and I hope it’s a relatively quiet one. Christmas Eve in Chch was not fun. Reminders of shakes past. I hope next year is a better one for everyone.
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December 25, 2014 10:53am
dime

Merry Christmas people!!

Time to overindulge!
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December 25, 2014 11:01am
big bruv

One step ahead of you there Dime. 🙂
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December 25, 2014 11:10am
mikenmild

Turned a bit cooler today on the Hutt Riviera. Just nice for the big roast.
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December 25, 2014 11:23am
renderer

Merry Christmas to all at Kiwiblog
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December 25, 2014 11:39am
hj

“Remnants of Neanderthal DNA in modern humans are associated with genes affecting type 2 diabetes, Crohn’s disease, lupus, biliary cirrhosis and smoking behavior. They also concentrate in genes that influence skin and hair characteristics. At the same time, Neanderthal DNA is conspicuously low in regions of the X chromosome and testes-specific genes.”
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“In the past few years, studies by groups including Reich’s have revealed that present-day people of non-African ancestry trace an average of about 2 percent of their genomes to Neanderthals — a legacy of interbreeding between humans and Neanderthals that the team previously showed occurred between 40,000 to 80,000 years ago. (Indigenous Africans have little or no Neanderthal DNA because their ancestors did not breed with Neanderthals, who lived in Europe and Asia.)”
“Using this and other types of information, the team found that some areas of the modern non-African human genome were rich in Neanderthal DNA, which may have been helpful for human survival, while other areas were more like “deserts” with far less Neanderthal ancestry than average.”
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/01/140129134956.htm

“You’ll wish you hadn’t said that if I tell you,” she said, staring down. “People are going to be upset about this.”

“The genes for red hair and pale skin didn’t match well enough to show a correlation, but I found a correlation for genes linked to other traits. There’s a gene cluster linked to advanced mathematics skills, information processing, logic, analytical intelligence, concentration skills, obsession–compulsion and Asperger’s syndrome. That cluster correlates very strongly. I can trace some genes back to the interglacial around 450,000 years ago, and others back to another burst of evolutionary innovation during the Eemian interglacial about 130,000 years ago.” She rambled on with endless details.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v453/n7194/full/453562a.html

there’s a theory that Neanderthals were alpha predators of humans and that about 50 of our line escaped to Europe where we eventually became dominant.
http://www.themandus.org/
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December 25, 2014 11:57am
Maggy Wassilieff

@HJ 11:57….. thanks for that posting. I was getting sick of all the festive cheer.
Long live humbuggery!
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December 25, 2014 12:04pm
alex Masterley

Merry Christmas all.
Hopefully I will be over indulging later in the day.
Unfortunately I am gong to spend the next few hours in a hospital emergency department waiting for my mother to be checked out by the medics. Hopefully it is a storm in a tea cup but with oldies one can never tell.
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December 25, 2014 12:20pm
hj

The Frankfurt school won the election for National.
Long live Diversity Dividend (Invasion Initiative).
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December 25, 2014 12:23pm
Reid

Sorry to hear that alex. All the best.
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December 25, 2014 1:03pm
cha

there’s a theory that Neanderthals were alpha predators of humans and that about 50 of our line escaped to Europe where we eventually became dominant.

Wrong blog, stormfront’s over there >>>…
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December 25, 2014 1:07pm
Nookin

Thoughts are with you and yours Alex
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December 25, 2014 1:23pm
hj

Cha (4,159 comments) says:
December 25th, 2014 at 1:07 pm

there’s a theory that Neanderthals were alpha predators of humans and that about 50 of our line escaped to Europe where we eventually became dominant.

Wrong blog, stormfront’s over there >>>…
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dominant over Neanderthals.

There is a debate as to whether racial differences exist (or to what degree). On the sideline you can easily observe the cost to ideologies either way hence the need to shoot the idea down.

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20% of Neanderthal Genome Survives In Humans
http://m.slashdot.org/story/197497
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December 25, 2014 1:55pm
hj

Hell, imagine what it would be like If ~~Cunliffe~~ Gareth Morgan and Red Melon HAD WON THE ELECTION.
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December 25, 2014 2:08pm
starboard

Black youth pulls gun on police in St Louis..white Policeman opens fire and kills black youth. Blacks protesting in the streets about it.

Excuse me ? What has colour of skin got to do with anything? Anybody who pulls a gun on a Police Officer in the States knows what the outcome is going to be. These moaning protesting blacks really need to climb down off their pedestals and face reality.
Nobody is shooting you because you are black. You are being shot because you are committing a criminal offence.
Get over yourselves FFS. You are nothing special because of your skin colour.
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December 25, 2014 2:17pm
hj

@ cha
Putnam diversity site:https://www.stormfront.org

does this invalidate Putnam’s study on diversity and civic engagement\ cohesion?
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December 25, 2014 2:27pm
hj

Black youth pulls gun on police in St Louis..white Policeman opens fire and kills black youth. Blacks protesting in the streets about it.
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An outlet for anti white racism?
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December 25, 2014 2:35pm
J Bloggs

Well…now on the outside of some delicious turkey, ham and Veg, and wishing all on here a very merry Christmas
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December 25, 2014 2:44pm
Viking2

Eat up and when you are pondering that sausage think about the supermarket where it cime from. 😆 😆

https://www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/k1bG2EPGmI0?autoplay=1&vq=hd720&rel=0&showinfo=0&start=82&end=321
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December 25, 2014 3:17pm
stephieboy

Merry Christmas all.?!

I will post my experiences a little later of a wonderful outdoor Christmas Eve Mass held at the Bendur Church of St Sebastian’s here in Mangalore on the Malabar West coast of South India.

But I suppose no day is really sacrosanct or sacred as such .I see hj has apparently sought to launch the idea that racial inequality is purely a social construct where in fact it’s based on genetics in favour of the pale faces of which presumably he or she is member. The old bell curve stuff that postulates that variations in intelligence is genetically based . Again in favour of the pale faces .

I won’t add much more except to say the presence of the Neanderthal genome in most of us is to explain our superiority or inferiority is a highly dubious one. A theory as indicated that will find favour >>>>>> Stormfront or >>>>> Ayran Nation followers
What I really think sets us apart from the Neanderthals and other primates etc is the development of a brain that could allow people’s to act socially . First by developing language for communication and thence the ability to seek out other communities of human beings to engage in trade sharing ideas as well as experiences. Thiese complex band sophisticated actions is what sets us apart from the Neanderthals and other more less evolved ancestors

Now that fact is shared by all branches of man kind pale faces and dark faces included .
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December 25, 2014 4:18pm
Monique Angel

Still waiting for Santa to visit here in East Bay San Francisco.
http://www.enlightenedhousewife.com/2014/12/merry-time-year-build-christmas/
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December 25, 2014 4:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I’ve had to retreat inside yet again as the sun shines forth here in Paradise.
What was great…… great grandma thinking when she succumbed to the charms of Mr Alpha Neanderthal?
Didn’t she realise that some 50,000yrs later one of her descendants might have needed a wee bit of melanin.
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December 25, 2014 5:24pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

The spirit of Xmas (southpark original) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzV3boO-2SY
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December 25, 2014 5:52pm
Steve (North Shore)

For those still waiting for Santa he is almost there,
http://www.noradsanta.org/
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December 25, 2014 6:00pm
RF

What a pack of useless free loading bastards that instead of providing Xmas meals for themselves have gone to the city missions for free food. Even passengers from a bloody cruise ship in Dunedin went to the mission and I know in christchurch an Asian tour party turned up for their free food. F….n hell !!!!
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December 25, 2014 6:08pm
hj

I see someone taking a photo of the performance with a Samsung smartphone. Brownies in Auckland whites in Chc.
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December 25, 2014 6:17pm
stephieboy

Research now doubts Humans and Neanderthals interbed in what is called hybridisation .Commonalties between the two in terms of DNA and Genome traits are in fact more a function of shared common ancestry both descending from earlier species of hominids and primates originating in Africa.

Thus earlier hominids branched out into two kinds. One was Neanderthal in Europe and another from Africa spreading out into both Europe and Asia giving us ultimately Homo sapiens

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120813155521.htm

I see hj you are likely to have some chocolate in your genes after all !
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December 25, 2014 6:22pm
hj

stephieboy is threatened by the notion of racial difference. He claims race is a social construct.
Personally I found the subject (Neanderthal DNA) really interesting (I recommend Carl Sagan’s ‘Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors)’.
Stephieboy also objects to Putnam’s study on Diversity and Civic Engagement . He notes it is mentioned a lot on neo Nazi sites.
Nevertheless it is acknowledged by science that oxytocin is the hormone of the clan and we evolved with an innate preference for people like ourselves and that has to be considered in any conflict between groups of people (it’s a two way street). That suggests it is better that people assimilate and gain a common identity, rather that celebrate difference.
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December 25, 2014 6:43pm
Griff

New method confirms humans and Neanderthals interbred
Apr 08, 2014

http://www.nature.com/news/modern-human-genomes-reveal-our-inner-neanderthal-1.14615

Those conclusions come from two papers published today in Science1 and Nature2, which identify the slices of the genome that contemporary humans inherited from Neanderthals, the stocky hunter-gatherers that went extinct around 30,000 years ago.

Homo sapiens and Neanderthals share a common ancestor that probably lived in Africa more than half a million years ago. The ancestors of Neanderthals were the first to move to Europe and Asia while the modern-human lineage stayed in Africa. But after modern humans began to leave Africa less than 100,000 years ago, they interbred with the Neanderthals who had settled on a range stretching from Western Europe to Siberia.

Modern human genomes reveal our inner Neanderthal

Cross-breeding boosted Homo sapiens’ ability to cope with cool climates, but the hybrids may have had trouble breeding.

Ewen Callaway

29 January 2014

Technical objections to the idea that Neanderthals interbred with the ancestors of Eurasians have been overcome, thanks to a genome analysis method described in the April 2014 issue of the journal Genetics. The technique can more confidently detect the genetic signatures of interbreeding than previous approaches and will be useful for evolutionary studies of other ancient or rare DNA samples.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2014-04-method-humans-neanderthals-interbred.html#jCp
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December 25, 2014 6:43pm
hj

Tus needs to get tus money back on sociology degree and shove it down Spoonley’s throat Stephieboy?
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December 25, 2014 7:09pm
mikenmild

hj
‘That suggests it is better that people assimilate and gain a common identity, rather that celebrate difference’
I would suggest that over long periods of time you would see assimilation. That does not mean that different peoples cannot coexist.
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December 25, 2014 7:35pm
Left Right and Centre

Auckland City Mission Lunch – leads the state broadcaster’s news bulletin.

I wonder how many of those that turn up year after year have ever had the thought to put their hands up and volunteer to help out themselves ?

Highlights included one feral brown woman with her nine children – just her with no obvious signs of accompanying sperm donors. Fizzy drinks galore !! Pepsi and 7Up. Anti-sugar anti-junk food ban campaign takes a break during Dec 25 it seems.

What a feed in Auckland – I love high energy rubbish myself, nothing like it – on the menu was chicken / gravy / ham / potato / kumara / beans / carrots. Ice cream / fruit / jelly and xmas cake. Lollies / soft drinks / cookies / cakes / chocolate.

Out of that lot – carrot – if prepared without killing it – gets the big good food tick – the rest is just maintaining the waves of lard that wobbled towards the tables (ok – they weren’t all fat as anything). That’s the western diet for ya.

Stereotypical fat brown munters forty to a family tree making up the majority. (I might be a munter but at least there’s only one of me).

I suppose it would ‘kill the xmas spirit’ to try and educate those who need it most about food nutrition (captive while awaiting the feast) and anyway – the message would fall on deaf and dumb ears, and the official message of what constitutes ‘healthy’ food is problematic for committee think to nail down.

RF – I saw the tourists going to a Dunedin charity case lunch and yeah if I was a tourist that’s probably the last thing I’d want to do in any country. You’d have to be one of those ‘poverty tourists’ to ‘enjoy the occasion’. I didn’t pay a fortune to hang out with a room full of down-and-out dysfunctional special-needs undesirable cackling twangy grinning scratching snorting sniffing coughing wiping shouting foul-smelling obese demented dumbarse derelict driptard dickheads. And that’s just the volunteers. (I’m kidding of course – well mostly).

We’ve had xmas month – now it’s Boxing Week. I saw one TV ad – had their Boxing Day sale starting on the 24th. Boxing Day is a contradiction in terms for retailers. After Boxing Week or Boxing Season or whatever nonsense these morons insult your intelligence with – it’s onto New Year Week Sales. Takes up a lot of the year with all of the bullshit carry-on – it’s painful.
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December 25, 2014 7:48pm
Chuck Bird

“That does not mean that different peoples cannot coexist.”

Depends how different. I just Aljazeera when that taught young girls only religion in Taliban area of Afghanistan, The male teacher had to teach them behind a curtain but that did not stop him taking one as an extra wife.

See how well they are co-existing Europe. The Greenshave their heads in the sand about peaceful coexistence with paedophile worshippers.
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December 25, 2014 7:51pm
hj

Mikenmild
accidently up ticked you btw
Putman says it took 50 years for co hesion to develop in the U S but (according to him) the benefits of migration are manifest. I don’t agree and I have pointed to the Savings Working Group report (which you congratulate yourself with not having read).
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December 25, 2014 8:09pm
mikenmild

Well, if you put it that way, I have to agree – I really don’t see how reasonable people could coexist with bigots like you.
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December 25, 2014 8:09pm
hj

Mikenmild
another sociology major huh? Yes I’d be pissed off too!
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December 25, 2014 8:12pm
hj

Highlights included one feral brown woman with her nine children – just her with no obvious signs of accompanying sperm donors. Fizzy drinks galore !! Pepsi and 7Up. Anti-sugar anti-junk food ban campaign takes a break during Dec 25 it seems.

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“I hope your not suggesting cultural imperialism ? Some culturez have more children than other”

Read on Green Party population discussion.
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December 25, 2014 8:16pm
mikenmild

Sorry, hj, I meant Chuck Bird, not you.
I think the Savings Working Group raised some interesting issues. New Zealand really needs an active discussion on its population policy.
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December 25, 2014 8:19pm
stephieboy

Hj, the only thing I challenge you on is your apparent assumption that’s your variation in e.g intelligence can be explained by genetics – race.

Diversity does not preclude intermarriage and in fact encourages it as the US melting pot amply testifies.We have a local variant here especially in Auckland possibly to your horror.

Putman’s studies.? Is he a geneticist , molecular biologist .?

Carl Sagan’s book.? Doubt he would accept the nation that Blacks are somehow genetically inferior to “Aryans ” like yourself.Besides more modern research and findings might override any of his hypotheses or findings

Griff ! I believe the Jury of the scientific community is still out on hybridisation and Neanderthals .A more plausible explanation as have already posted is that any Genetic similarities are more a function of both ourselves and Neanthertals sharing common ancestors who originally it is understand came out of Africa,
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December 25, 2014 8:27pm
MT_Tinman

RF (1,494 comments) says:
December 25th, 2014 at 6:08 pm

What a pack of useless free loading bastards that instead of providing Xmas meals for themselves have gone to the city missions for free food. Even passengers from a bloody cruise ship in Dunedin went to the mission and I know in christchurch an Asian tour party turned up for their free food. F….n hell !!!!

Christmas is, according to god-botherers and non-godbotherers alike, a season of good will, a season where all are welcome no matter their standing in society.

That you should seek to deny anyone a chance to share that goodwill tells us everything about you.

What a miserable piece of crap you are!
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December 25, 2014 8:28pm
hj

stephieboy (3,558 comments) says:
December 25th, 2014 at 8:27 pm

Hj, the only thing I challenge you on is your apparent assumption that’s your variation in e.g intelligence can be explained by genetics – race. What about the muscle type that produces so many black sprinters?

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I never said it was although it seems that exceptional ability might come from that gene? If Crohns disease is associated with a maladaptive Neanderthal gene, why not mathematical ability?
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December 25, 2014 8:36pm
Chuck Bird

@mikenmild

Was Mohammad a paedophile or not?
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December 25, 2014 8:43pm
mikenmild

hj
I think it is best to approach scientific study of intellectual differences between races with a certain amount of caution. The Nazis, for example, seemed convinced that their racial theories had a scientific justification.
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December 25, 2014 8:44pm
Griff

The jury is presented with three later studies than yours presented in high impact journals all confirming the later addition of Neanderthal genes into some human populations.
That human physical trait’s are genetic identifies across populations of homo sapiens is not controversial. Acknowledging that there may be a genetic basses for different behavior norms among differing genetic groups is just as likely from a purely scientific viewpoint is not racist . Storm front as a link only becomes an issue if you seek to gain advantage by restricting persons rights based in a hypothetical difference.
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December 25, 2014 8:45pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/gm6q9rxs845u2s0/Muslim%2027.jpg?dl=0
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December 25, 2014 8:47pm
hj

One claim about the city mission is bludging due to an entitlement mentallity. I’m inclined to agree. Sure we have and will always have down and outs but we seem to have those with no shame or sense of give and take; all they see is free! free, free. Makes me sad for proud genuine strugglers.
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December 25, 2014 8:54pm
Chuck Bird

@nasska

I hope it was a nanny goat.
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December 25, 2014 8:55pm
chiz

Stephieboy:

I believe the Jury of the scientific community is still out on hybridisation and Neanderthals .

I don’t think there is anyone, now, who challenges the idea that humans and Neanderthals interbred, although the picture is now a lot more complicated. The number of hominins that were alive till recently keeps growing and there appears to have been a lot of interbreeding. Humans not only interbred with Neanderthals but also with another species known as the Denisovans. We don’t know what the Denisovans looked like – we only have a couple of bones and their DNA – but Melanesians have a lot more Denisovan DNA in them than any other ethnic group. The Denisovans, but not humans as far we can tell, interbred with another hominin species that we don’t know anything else about. There are also hints that Africans interbred with an Africa-specific hominin.
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December 25, 2014 9:06pm
RF

MT_Tinman. 8.28pm. So it’s ok for kind people to donate food for those that truely need it and have freeloaders who appear to be more than capable of providing for themselves have a free lunch. The ones I saw on TV thought it was their right to freeload and appeared well fed. So sad as the needy miss out again. You sound like a handwringing Gween who believes the state should provide for everyone.
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December 25, 2014 9:06pm
mikenmild

RF
Perhaps you should volunteer next year to sort out who are in genuine need of a Christmas dinner and who should be turned away.
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December 25, 2014 9:10pm
nasska

….” The Denisovans, but not humans as far we can tell, interbred with another hominin species that we don’t know anything else about. There are also hints that Africans interbred with an Africa-specific hominin”….

Don’t go spouting that educational type crap on this thread chiz. All the God fearing Good’ol Boys on these here forums know that the world is only 6000 years old.

The Bible says so. 🙂
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December 25, 2014 9:15pm
RF

Mikenmild. 9.10pm.

Been there done that and proud of it. Not this year as I had family matters to attend to.

It’s not hard to sort out the tourist feeders as they arrive in a bloody big bus and walk in as a group with their tour guide. One group had actually prepaid the tour guide for the meal. That stayed in his pocket.

Unfortunately those running the missions do not like confrontation and become known as a soft touch. The word is out that there is free food and i was shocked to see who actually turned up for the meals as they were certainly not what I would describe as being “poor”.
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December 25, 2014 9:33pm
Steve (North Shore)

Yeah like give me some free food, like I have driven over 160km to get this
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December 25, 2014 10:16pm
freemark

Meanwhile, in the real world of Xmas dinners..
Everyone pitches in with what they can..either the location, the goods, the preparation, the table setting, the serving, the cleanup, the dishes. Everyone learns about shared duties, coexistence, cooperation. What a wasted opportunity to show that a little bit of effort brings big rewards. Maybe it’s time for the alternative, lest more & more get indoctrinated into the “free lunch” mentality that is destroying NZ.
Merry Xmas anyway..except to the Commie trolls infesting KB & New Zealand…
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December 25, 2014 10:26pm
stephieboy

RF, those running The Mission would be in a far better position than you and others in identifying and understanding human need than “experts ” , and shal we add Scrooges like yourself .!
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December 26, 2014 12:16am
Lance

@nassaka
I know you want a bite
In Hebrew the Old Testament says quite specifically the earth is not 6000 years old. Just a hint incase you do actually want to engage your brain and not perpetuate your mindless prejudice… try looking at the words used to describe the first day of God’s creation, if it was a 24 hour day it would read Yom Rishon (the first day of the week – Sunday) but it doesn’t , it reads Yom Echad (the first period of time). Any decent Hebrew scholar would know this.

Translation is difficult but a lot of people have studied it you know. But I guess you and your lot are all smarter than those people throughout history.
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December 26, 2014 12:45am
mikenmild

Well done Lance. Thankfully this blog appears free of young earth creationists, although it does seem to harbour just about every other kind of crank.
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December 26, 2014 7:18am
Left Right and Centre

The way they get around the prickly question of who ‘should be’ at charity religious events – and they always find a way around things – is to state that it’s open to anyone who wants to ‘celebrate xyz’ with other fellow low income social outcasts. Income level is therefore irrelevant apparently. Volunteers have also been quoted as saying they do it so as not to be alone on ‘the special day’.

I’ve also seen that the truly homeless and destitute are rounded up and herded off to these things – they are top of the list and they wouldn’t miss out to some %$&% with a smartphone. What the charities do in the name of religious lunacy is largely up to them and not really anyone else’s business. If they want to put on a meal for whomever that’s their business I suppose.

It reminds me of disabled parking spaces. I don’t care who parks in them; near to none of the card holders *seem* to need them. Their legs work no problem. They might have medical conditions that restrict the distance they are recommended to walk but you just know that that’s not the case for all of these fit enough looking folks who do **not** struggle to get in and out of their vehicle. They walk unassisted and without any obvious physical impediment to their gait and pace. 80%-90%+ of them to me it looks like a total have. Of course there’s no incentive to finagle flimsy minor ailemnts into close easy parking, is there ?
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December 26, 2014 7:35am
mikenmild

LRC
Virtually any entitlement or privilege governed by rules can be fiddled in some way. You wouldn’t ever take advantage of any loophole that appeared relevant to your own situation, would you?
My pet hate is beggars that are always there and don’t actually appear in need of assistance. There is one persistent offender on Lambton Quay who has been at it for years now.
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December 26, 2014 7:39am
hj

Cal State Long Beach Professor Kevin MacDonald Accused Of Being White Supremacist
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/16/kevin-macdonald-cal-state_n_2144410.html

Comments
No one causes a stir when Black professors and feminist speak the exact same kind of speech. Why should it be any different for a White person? We have a double standard in this country where anyone can say whatever they want, except White people. Only when White people speak this way is it considered racist, or when a man speaks a certain way is it considered sexist. We will continue to have problems in this country until these double standards are wiped out, and guess what, I’m not even White, I’m just fair.

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That’s not exactly true. Blacks and women are speaking from a totally different point of view. They have been the oppressed for hundreds of years. White men are now finding their power is dwindling as these groups realize and gain the equality they deserve. White men are becoming the minority and they express their disdain with hate as they try to retain that power. Welcome to the real world!

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But these opinions are just fine:

A prominent advocate of Reconquista is Professor Charles Truxillo of the University of New Mexico (UNM), who envisions a sovereign Hispanic nation called the Republica del Norte (Republic of the North) that would encompass Northern Mexico, Baja California, California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.

In an interview with In Search of Aztlán on August 8, 1999, Jose Angel Gutierrez, a political science professor at the University of Texas at Arlington, stated that:

“It is not our fault that whites don’t make babies, and blacks are not growing in sufficient numbers, and there’s no other groups with such a goal to put their homeland back together again. We do. Those numbers will make it possible. I believe that in the next few years, we will see an irredentists movement, beyond assimilation, beyond integration, beyond separatism, to putting Mexico back together as one. That’s irridentism [sic]. One Mexico, one nation”
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December 26, 2014 7:44am
Griff

For what its worth lance and it is no longer Christmas so no longer requires the constraint towards Christianity’s more whack beliefs shown on their day of worship.

The current Hebrew calendar year numbering system, which counts years from the creation, has been in use for more than 1000 years.[2] The year numbering system was adopted sometime before 3925 Anno Mundi (165 CE), and based on the calculation of Rabbi Yose ben Halafta during about 160 CE in the book Seder Olam Rabbah.[3]

The year numbers are based on the computations of dates and periods found in the Hebrew Bible. In Jewish tradition, “Year 1” is considered to have begun on the 25 of Elul, 6 days before the beginning of “Year 2” on the first of Tishrei, when Adam was created.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seder_Olam_Rabbah

We dont have a significant number from the young earth creationist side of christian insanity in this country.
The more establishment religions have changed their dogma around chronology to recognize the findings of science in the last three hundred years.
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December 26, 2014 7:48am
mikenmild

hj
To me, racism usually involve some consideration of power. That is not to say that members of minority groups cannot be racist – they can – but racism at its most concerning inevitably involves discrimination against a specified group on the grounds of race.
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December 26, 2014 7:55am
Left Right and Centre

MM – I can’t predict what I’d do 100% in the future – or in hypothetical scenarios. I can only guess. I’m not a perfect angel – but then I don’t claim to be. And I don’t take up parking spaces designed for people who really need them a lot more than I do. Let’s just say when it comes to parking spaces – I’m allowed to be up on my high horse.

I’ll tell you what – I use the disabled toilets a lot. I’ve never come out to find someone in a wheelchair waiting yet. I suppose when I get to hell one of their many paybacks will be a stinging pain bursting full bladder outside a terminally engaged stall. With a nearby fountain.
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