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Viking2

Cloudy day.
Only work is to sort out a crappy courier company that damages goods in transit. Different one to yesterday.
goods sent Wgtn to Tga 16th DEC. damaged and returned to WGTN without any notification to either sender or receiver.
Goods were for repair and return but we still haven’t received them as of yesterday.

Customer and sender and receiver are all pissed with Castle Parcels.
Total lack of communication, brain function or common sense.
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December 24, 2014 8:01am
twofish

SkyCity – Are Key and Joyce complicit and corrupt, or just eyewateringly effin’ incompetent?

Consider this in the few minutes, maybe half hour at the most, that this comment will last,
before being down-ticked out of existence.
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December 24, 2014 8:03am
Paulus Gnome

Good morning fellow Kiwi Bloggers, a merry Christmas and prosperous New Year to you all!

Thank you for the comments, interactions (including down ticks) and great posts that have made for an entertaining blog reading year; a special thank you to Mr DPF for hosting the event with great analysis, figures and comments throughout.

Last day working this year and I would like to make it as nice and as enjoyable as possible without over indulging in the festive mince pies.

Just for today (and every other day) can we please dispense with the climate change protagonists who insist on a small virtual tree of argument, copied and pasted from somewhere else; and not just the climos either, all the cut and paste merchants, the information provided in great big blocks really does become quite wearisome.

Can we post our own thoughts and opinions, write a short introduction and provide the link. As the introduction to the persuasive information will be so well considered and presented, I am confident that I will be compelled to click onto the link.

Can we have a nut bar amnesty for today? Some of us are allergic to nuts! Give Penny (and the others who know who you are) a break. I am sure that she has the conviction of her opinions but we can avoid a whole pile of vitriol and angst by just smiling benignly at her as some sort of mad cat lady who has the faint odour of pee following her about (I could be wrong about the pee)

Thank you again KBer’s for a great opinionated year, I look forward to reading and interacting with you all here again in the New Year. 
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December 24, 2014 8:04am
Pete George

The Otago Daily Times has effectively identified the car dealers involved with Brent Bachop in fleecing Dunedin ratepayers.

The lawyer of one dealer told Deloitte:

it was ”not uncommon” for vehicles previously sold privately to remain registered in the name of the former owner, or be transferred shortly before a sale to the company when the vendor realised the registration had not been changed.

But other dealers have slammed it as a smear on all dealers, “completely abnormal”, ”recognised that was not kosher”, shocking and ”being swept under the carpet”.

Dealership 1: Bought seven DCC vehicles between 2006 and 2012; council received some proceeds from one sale. Ownership of five transferred from council to Brent Bachop shortly before dealership bought them. Dealer aware of that in three cases. Proceeds for other vehicles paid directly to Mr Bachop despite still being in council ownership.

Dealership 2: Bought three council vehicles in 2008; council saw no proceeds from sales. Ownership of each transferred from DCC to Mr Bachop shortly before the sale. Allowed a council vehicle, bought from same dealer three months earlier, to be used as a trade-in for a personal vehicle bought by Mr Bachop.

Dealership 3: Bought four council vehicles between 2003 and 2006; council received some proceeds in three cases. Paid DCC directly for three cars, and Mr Bachop directly for the other, for which the proceeds never went to council.

A lot more cars were sold to private individuals and families.

But the council has tried to bury this in the Christmas rush hoping that everyone will have forgotten by next year.

It won’t be forgotten.

Dunedin Citifleece car dealers identified
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December 24, 2014 8:07am
Nukuleka

I see that French security forces are to be on high alert over Christmas after what Stuff tells us are three ‘lone wolf’ attacks, leaving one dead and thirty wounded. Two of the attackers shouted ‘Allahu Akbar’ as they began their attacks. Predictably, the media are reporting that two of the attackers had mental health issues and, along with French governmental officials, are trying to downplay any Islamic connections.

‘Mental health issues’ would appear to be a defining characteristic of any Islamic attack, it seems to me. Why else would anyone go on a killing rampage, murdering and injuring innocent people they don’t even know.
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December 24, 2014 8:11am
peterwn

Citifleece – what the Hell! DCC vehicle disposal methods was asking for trouble! They should have:
1. put vehicles up for tender with tenders to be placed in a double locked tenders box opened by two people.
2. sent the vehicles off for auction.

No exceptions!

This is more ridiculous than when DCC parking wardens kept plastering contractors’ vehicles with tickets when doing drainage replacements. DCC parking and drainage departments could not resolve the matter between themselves. The Engineer to the Contract then declared that the cost of the tickets plus 10% were contract extras payable by DCC to the contractor. After that the contractor did not care how many tickets he got.
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December 24, 2014 8:21am
Manolo

Russia facing a serious crisis: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2884980/Russias-PM-warning-deep-recession.html

In a move to contain the ruble crisis, the government today instructed five of the country’s biggest state-controlled exporters to reduce their foreign currency assets to October levels and to not raise them again until March. The companies targeted were gas giant Gazprom, oil companies Rosneft and Zarubezhneft and diamond producers Alrosa and Kristall.

Today the ruble was steady as it has been for the past few trading sessions, floating around the 55 mark against the dollar. That’s certainly an improvement on last week when the ruble plunged at one point to near 80 against the dollar.
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December 24, 2014 8:24am
oldpark

Seems the defacto cub reporter ,the News of the World scandal paper, found guilty of corrupt invasion of privacy on unsuspecting readers,amongst many other things.One of their refugee employees an import called Andrea Vance ,who seems to have made it to NZ,gets an apology for an invasion of her so called “privacy”. Certainly an irish joke for her,hope she enjoys the ironical apology.
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December 24, 2014 8:30am
Griff

Block quotes Paulus are often used to make it easy to skip screeds of cut and paste.
As the often lone climate realist I get static for replying to a bevy of denialist posts as exemplified in don the kiwis complaint directed at me @ 12:30 pm yesterday gd2

The other thread deals with all other topics – so Griff can expound his AGW

Ironically this comment is then followed by @ 7:44 pm a direct unattributed denial cut and paste from American “not really for a” Thinker by Don.

“By Thomas Lifson
Alarmism about global warming has been dealt yet another body blow, as the so-called “settled science” gets some unsettling data. Anthony Watts of Watts Up With That (hat tip: John Hinderaker of Powerline) reports on a new study of tree ring data indicating the long term trend has been cooling for the last two millennia:
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abridged

Good blog etiquette requires one to minimize cut and paste without the use of blockquotes and a link attributing to the source to make it easy for the uninterested to skip overwhelming detail and enable those motivated to explore a topic in depth.
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December 24, 2014 8:32am
Inandout

Nukuleka: I firmly believe that the Islamic creed has a detonator concealed within the 5 times a day prayer regime. It has always puzzled me why there is a need for that strict number, and I can only put it down to that for a message to be completely instilled in the mind, it must be continuously reinforced. Alcohol is banned because that would interfere with the brain conditioning, patriarchy keeps a strict structure in the praying family, and all other ‘rules’ are there to keep the faith intact. Yes Muslims do have ‘mental health’ issues that lie beneath the outwardly calm persona we see in public areas; walking time bombs would be a more apt description. To combat Islam you must first short circuit the brain conditioning – how that is done is beyond me.
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December 24, 2014 8:36am
Paulus

Griff

Please do not understand that the Paulus you refer to is actually me.

The one named is a very new reader who original tried to usurp my name, and has now corrupted it.
I have requested more than once that he get a name that is something different from mine.
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December 24, 2014 8:54am
Keeping Stock

@ Viking2 – our businesses changed to Fastway last year, and have no regrets whatsoever. We’d had an absolute gutsful of Courier Post, and would have left them long ago but for the local delivery guy who was brilliant. He was being screwed by the company as well, and after he left, so did we.
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December 24, 2014 8:56am
holysheet

To combat Islam you must first short circuit the brain conditioning – how that is done is beyond me.

It’s not a condition restricted just to mussies. Tykes, proddies, fundies and all the other wierdo’s also need to be short circuited.
Its just so illogical to think that they believe this crap.
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December 24, 2014 8:59am
Griff

fair enough
My comment was directed at Paulus Gnome’s @ 804 not Paulus.
I will not mention the confusing syntax Paulus it is Christmas.
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December 24, 2014 9:09am
Than

SkyCity – Are Key and Joyce complicit and corrupt, or just eyewateringly effin’ incompetent?

Here’s a crazy notion – why don’t we wait until they stuff up before we berate them.

If they give in to SkyCity’s shameless attempt to grab from the public purse, I’ll completely agree that’s incompetent and spineless. But Joyce’s statements for now are promising, they seem to indicate National will do the right thing and tell SkyCity where to go.
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December 24, 2014 9:10am
Inandout

holysheet: There are other religions I am sure that have praying regimes, but show me one that affects your day to day life, and your travel arrangements. Those other religions you speak of are mere puddles; Islam is a tsunami.
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December 24, 2014 9:14am
Nukuleka

holysheet:

Thanks for diverting the topic to suit your own obvious prejudices. The mere fact that you use insulting terms like ‘tykes’ and ‘proddies’ indicates that you aren’t one to discuss an issue from a rational and considered point of view. Next you’ll be telling us about the ‘yids’ and ‘wogs’ I guess.

Head over to The Standard where you belong. They encourage irrational nutwings over there.
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December 24, 2014 9:16am
Reid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96c2wXcNA7A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5Ac7ap_MAY
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December 24, 2014 9:18am
dirty harry

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/64437513/kiwirail-sends-big-bosses-packing

Thanks Hulun …a true lemon you wasted our money on. Bitch.
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December 24, 2014 9:35am
Jack5

Happy Christmas, DPF, and all Kiwibloggers.
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December 24, 2014 9:36am
IGM

No wonder Vance got an apology for privacy breaches, isn’t the clerk of the House a radical leftie?
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December 24, 2014 9:38am
SDCLFC

Foodstuffs have decided to sell their holdings in Rugby St, Wellington.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/commercial-property/64418500/Foodstuffs-sells-land-near-Government-House

They had been holding the inner city site with plans to develop a large scale Pak N Save for nearly 10 years.
To make was for the supermarket a long established, community swimming school was evicted and the building demolished.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/the-wellingtonian/9873619/Supermarket-land-still-vacant

You should be commenting on this David. Doubt you will.
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December 24, 2014 9:49am
holysheet

Nuku, have you ever stopped to consider for a moment how peaceful the world would be if we didn’t have religion?
Going back in history, nearly all the worlds conflicts have had religion at the root of these troubles.
I classed the yids and wogs as weirdos.
It’s nothing personal, but where in these groups do you place yourself?
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December 24, 2014 9:51am
Viking2

Keeping Stock (9,392 comments) says:
December 24th, 2014 at 8:56 am

@ Viking2 – our businesses changed to Fastway last year, and have no regrets whatsoever. We’d had an absolute gutsful of Courier Post, and would have left them long ago but for the local delivery guy who was brilliant. He was being screwed by the company as well, and after he left, so did we.
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ha, 9 years with Fastway, Now some of our stuff is longer than their 1.8 (which is limited by their stupid cage designs which they all copy and which are neither customer nor courier friendly), but they managed to break so much and couldn’t handle so much. Courier we had all thru that time got sacked instead of them sorting out the issues he had with them, low pay being one during the tough times and favoured courier wanting a bit of his run.Long Story)He went and so did we.
PBT and Metro Urgent Hamilton now handle all our out going. No problems with long parcels and no problems with any damage.
Easy to use and I’m looking now at using freight forward to make life easier for our customers.

Metro have a great it system. send a ticket from the desk top, in they come and I get a pickup and drop off receipt into the mail box. No having to trace, no tickets to handle as its on an account. excellent service Tga to Waikato twice a day. Recommend them .

PBT also been good. They are also growing their business here which is good.

Local Poste Haste people good. Unfortunately they on carry for Castle but the customer service Girl here has been very good with her response.

FWIW
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December 24, 2014 9:55am
Manolo

High-stakes chess: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/11311068/Russia-condemns-Ukrainian-law-that-paves-way-to-Nato.html

Russia condemns Ukrainian law that paves way to NATO. Moscow promises to retaliate after Ukrainian MPs approve bill to abandon non-aligned status.
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December 24, 2014 10:08am
Simon

Yep that vile bag Clark was on the way out when Labour brought Asbestos Rail. Fucking disgrace.

Fail rail is a massive liability. It could probably make money transporting logs from the interior to PofT but thats about it.

The purchase was in part to fuck the government’s balance sheet for National, part to suit moron central planners who think its the 1880s and part to set “a trap” for National who might attempt to sell it again. Get the Lefttard base on board to stop evil asset sale of an iconic Kiwi asset.

Labour the party of utter fuckwits.
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December 24, 2014 10:09am
mikenmild

Perhaps Reid could provide a precis of the 90-minute video he has posted.
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December 24, 2014 10:14am
Manolo

National rewarded H. Clark and M. Cullen’s economic terrorism by giving the dreadful doctor the title of Sir.
Disgraceful cheapening of a knighthood.
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December 24, 2014 10:15am
Gulag1917

“Nuku, have you ever stopped to consider for a moment how peaceful the world would be if we didn’t have religion?
Going back in history, nearly all the worlds conflicts have had religion at the root of these troubles.”
Most of the world have been religious for most of the time, eliminating religion will not stop wars.
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December 24, 2014 10:17am
Viking2

Manolo, was that Sir the person in charge of the “kicking couriers”?

Seems state enterpirse employees (state servants), haven’t changed their attitudes much since the bad old rail days.
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December 24, 2014 10:18am
MH

Recent reports from accredited flying sources have indicated that increased melting of the Nth Pole ice sheets has been attributed to illegal mining activity by Santa Enterprises. Bell,line, bar and pie graphs superimposed over Venn diagrams of volumemtric ice melts taken over the Nov – Dec period have spiked in the last week. Few scientists alive today can remember when the Nth Pole was surrounded by Pine Trees and various ruminants – indicted on scatology charts. The NZ Elf Party has welcomed the possibility of magnetic field reversal which would bring Santa Enterprises and increased tourist potential to this part of the world. Mr C. Craig has refused to comment.
In other news to hand the Ukrainian President has said anything Red coming into his territorial air space will be shot at and has asked for immediate membership of Nato.
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December 24, 2014 10:18am
IGM

Viking: Those couriers won’t give a stuff, just call a PSA rep and all will be washed over. As was stated, PSA mentality, carried over from days of infamous NUR and Seamen’s Union trash.
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December 24, 2014 10:22am
mikenmild

How many courier drivers do you think are represented by the PSA, IGM?
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December 24, 2014 10:24am
Reid

Going back in history, nearly all the worlds conflicts have had religion at the root of these troubles.

Actually most of them have been nationalistic.

How many times does it have to be explained until it finally sinks in?

All wars are caused by a few evil people manipulating the masses for their own profit.

Part of this manipulation in our present day context is to rile the Western Christian Caucasian nations into a war with the Eastern Muslim world.

The evil ones always do this by slicing the elephant, which means, they up it over decades, so no-one notices the temperature rising.

By numerous carefully calculated incidents therefore in the last decade and a half we have been gradually boiled without most of us even noticing the temperature rise.

Once you light a fire like this, like any fire, once it catches it takes on a life of its own and all the evil ones need to do is steer it in the right direction.

Thus for example we’re starting to see not setup incidents (although more of them are that than most recognise) but spontaneous incidents with no real support, like this guy in Sydney.

And this will grow.

Tells as to whether this is really happening or not include the nature of the most heavily directed strands.

Like ISIS. Isn’t its propaganda sophisticated. Ultra sophisticated, both in market penetration and in substance. Of course it’s evil, but that shouldn’t stop one from recognising and analysing the sophistication and world-class expertise behind it. Not to mention its weapons procurement programs are wildly successful as are clearly, their finance, cos you don’t get weapons for free, or do you? Stories like the 30,000 Iraqi troops in Mosul who when confronted by ISIS abandoned their weapons and “just melted away” should raise eyebrows. 30,000, with US up to date weapons, just wee themselves and run away. Yeah right. Stories like that are tells. Not THE tell. Not the main tell. Not even one of the really significant ones. But it makes you wonder, or it should. And for all of these reasons, anyone should be asking themselves, where the fuck are they picking up the skills and the weapons and the finance from?

And you would of course as first port of call think Bahrain, Saudi, U.A.E. and the other US satraps who, coincidentally, have the biggest reputation for providing terrorist funding. And you wonder why that’s never discussed as such and questions being raised in the media as to what the US intell agencies are doing about these. But none of those discussions arise, do they and if they do, they never go anywhere, do they. Why is that?

It’s effect is established by the growing numbers of people on this very blog who increasingly blame Islam for this slander against its name. I mean just because someone or even many thousands of people say they’re doing “x” in the name of “y” doesn’t make it so, does it. The two are entirely separate, and I’m observing fewer and fewer people making that distinction in their own minds, as time goes by.

Atrocities will grow and become more outrageous and there will be many incidents of Westerners being tortured and murdered and now that with Pakistan children aren’t out of bounds you watch the same crime against Western children at one of the Western diplomatic schools. Western women will be put in their slave markets and propaganda will make sure you hear about it.

Now I’m not going to change anyone’s minds on this through one small blog post. I know that and I’m not trying to. All I’m saying is there are entirely reasonable questions out there that haven’t yet been answered. What I personally do with questions like these is I consciously resist drawing any conclusions on them. I don’t really care about whether such questions answer themselves in the negative or the positive. I really don’t. I just file them away as another potential piece in one of many potential jigsaws I have on the way the world works, and I await the next move on the chessboard.
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December 24, 2014 10:29am
SGA

mikenmild at 10:14 am

Perhaps Reid could provide a precis of the 90-minute video he has posted.

Agreed – I’m unwillingly to spend much time following “naked links” (or those wearing barely a g-string) – neither video nor text for that matter. It’s like someone recommending a movie or book solely on the basis of the title.
Add – to be fair, Reid’s not the only one with a habit of doing that.
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December 24, 2014 10:33am
Manolo

An interesting read: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/bill-de-blasio-113755.html
New York’s mayor has lost the police — and maybe much more than that.
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December 24, 2014 10:35am
Reid

Read the titles, they tell you what its about.
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December 24, 2014 10:35am
SGA

Reid at 10:35 am

Read the titles, they tell you what its about.

If you can’t be bothered to take the time to write a 2-3 sentences about it, it’s obviously not important.
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December 24, 2014 10:39am
mikenmild

The subtitle was enough for me, Reid. Not interested.
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December 24, 2014 10:39am
Reid

Guys hate to say this but I’m not interested in your opinions of something you haven’t even watched, either. In fact I’m rather surprised you thought anyone would find them of any value whatsoever.

Or perhaps I’m not surprised, after all.
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December 24, 2014 10:42am
cha

Want!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zp_yel_2q0
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December 24, 2014 10:43am
mikenmild

Reid
I may have mentioned this before, but I did watch one of your videos once and it was a bit sickening, especially when it got to the point about the Nazis being the good guys fighting against the Jewish/Masonic evil Soviet empire. Since, I’m happy to engage when you spell out your ludicrous nonsense on the blog, but I’m not going to waste hours on your paranoid conspiracy theory films.
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December 24, 2014 10:47am
Nigel Kearney

The subtitle was enough for me, Reid. Not interested.

Me neither. Monetary policy and central banking certainly have a tendency to send people off on wild and paranoid fantasies. I think it is because the truth is sufficiently complicated that it’s easy to talk crap and not get called on it.
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December 24, 2014 10:51am
Hugh Pavletich

Bret Stephens: The Marvel of American Resilience – WSJ … ( h/t PhilBest) … google search title if blocked …

http://www.wsj.com/articles/bret-stephens-the-marvel-of-american-resilience-1419292945

Imagine an economic historian in the year 2050 talking to her students about the most consequential innovations of the early 21st century—the Model Ts and Wright flyers and Penicillins of our time. What would make her list?

Surely fracking—shorthand for the combination of horizontal drilling and hydraulic fracturing that is making the U.S. the world’s leading oil and gas producer—would be noted. Surely social media—the bane of autocrats like Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan and of parents like me—would also get a mention. Mobile apps? Check. The emerging science of cancer immunotherapy? Hopefully, with fingers tightly crossed. … read more via hypelink above …
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December 24, 2014 10:52am
SGA

@Reid
Likewise – when I first started here, I followed a couple of your links – I did a little independent fact checking and found some of the “connections” so strained that I had trouble taking it all seriously.
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December 24, 2014 10:54am
Reid

Hurts your tummy, doesn’t it mm.

Seriously, what you’re doing is extrapolating the entire field as a result of one encounter with a rather radical idea which created in you cognitive dissonance. In other words, you got all emotional about it. Then you anchored that emotion to the concept of the entire field from aliens to evil cabals to fiat money to economic manipulation to contrived warfare and you threw the whole lot together in your subconscious. Now, everytime anything in the whole field is raised, that very same emotion, being anchored, then rises again and you repeat the programmed pattern.

That’s not theory, that’s how minds really do work mm, all minds.

Some of us, like EAD, UT and myself, seem to be able to emotionally detach ourselves and just watch the seemingly most radical stuff without batting an eyelid. I know I can, I can’t speak for those two but I know I can. See, to me, it’s not emotion, it’s just data, about something, that’s filed away in one of my millions of maybe piles.

I think most people don’t do it, it’s not that they can’t do it it’s more that they don’t do it, because most people like certainty on things. Therefore they practise as a subconscious habit, the act of reaching a conclusion. I’m not saying that’s a bad or a good thing, I’m simply saying that’s what many seem to do. But I don’t do that, I don’t need to. I’ve always taught myself that as soon as one reaches a conclusion one’s subconscious bias kicks in and that’s dangerous, for the truth. And it’s not that this practice paralyses me in anyway, because I still have the view that most people operating as I describe above have, plus I have a whole lot of other stuff that I can play with and test, against the real world, as history unfolds.
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December 24, 2014 10:59am
mikenmild

Oh, if only a sense of realism was engendered by exposure to only one of your batshit crazy videos. You, EAD and UT do not possess any set of faculties superior to anyone else’s, but the sense that you have available to you knowledge that the sheeple refuse to believe remains at the core of your sense of superiority, or, perhaps your power of ‘discernment’. It really doesn’t matter how many ‘millions of maybe piles’ (millions, really?) you make – piles of bullshit are still made of bullshit.
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December 24, 2014 11:10am
Reid

Again your emotion is getting the better of your thinking processes because now you’re hallucinating I’ve said I was superior when if you read what I said I repeatedly and deliberately made several references to point out the fact that it’s different, it’s neither right nor wrong. But you didn’t read that because your emotion wasn’t letting you notice it.
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December 24, 2014 11:17am
mikenmild

You don’t need to state outright that you are superior to convey that impression, Reid. Tell me again about the Christian gift of discernment though. I found that concept fascinating.
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December 24, 2014 11:19am
EAD

Thanks for the link Reid – I’m about half way through and will watch the remainder once Christmas festivities are over and done with. It has helped fit a few more pieces into the jigsaw.

Having traveled the world and viewed NZ from afar, like Japan we are also very much a social laboratory for the true rulers of the world. Where else have they got a Western Society that is so insular and detached from the rest of the World with a controlled/limited press, little political thought and such a trusting belief in Politicians.

One question Reid – do you think Putin & China are part of the NWO great game? Are they and Islam being set up as the fall guys for when the Empire of debt finally collapses so the idiot masses have someone to blame when WWIII starts?

Anyway, Merry Christmas to you all. I count my blessing for each Christmas that has come and gone since 2008 while the shell of Western Civilization is still in place for the majority. The exponentials of growth required in a welfare state, debt as money system are on their last legs and when the crash comes, these uncertain times of Q4 2014 will seem like a picnic on a warm summers day compared to what is round the corner.
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December 24, 2014 11:28am
Redbaiter

Anyone who has ever worked in real operations, involving task management, timelines, budgets, schedules, shipping, construction, management teams, employees, safety, reporting, purchasing, contracting, sub-contracting, traveling, meetings, legal and lawyers, insurance, finance, banks, machinery, regulations and government knows that conspiracy theories such as those that surround the 9/11 attacks are just not ever going to be true because they would require perfection to work and this is never ever attainable.

Every operation is subject to weather, sickness, forgetfulness, poor execution, upset scheduling, budget over runs, performance failure, accidents, communication failure, personal conflict, and if they succeed it is always after over coming all of these things as a matter of course, pressing on and getting the job done. And the job may get done, but it is never ever done perfectly.

The theories that abound about the attacks on the World Trade center are implausible for the very reason that they depend upon perfection, and in an operation of that size and style, it would be impossible to achieve. For example look at Mossad’s plan to extract revenge for the Munich terrorist attacks. A relatively simple operation but if you’ve read the book you know that it was fraught with mistakes and errors, and Mossad are good operators.

Arabs hijacked the planes and flew them into the world trade center. In a remarkably successful plan that in reality should never have been so successful but achieved its objectives because the security forces charged with stopping such events were useless.

Anyone who wanted me to believe that there were other forces responsible for the attack on the World Trade Centre would have to convince me that such a perfect scenario was possible, and if I accepted that, I would be going against everything I have learnt in life so far. The level of perfection needed to carry out such an operation is impossible to achieve, and anyone who has actually done anything similar in their lives would know that. So it wouldn’t even get past the planning stage, let alone ever be executable.
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December 24, 2014 11:34am
cha

^^ +100 RB, well said.
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December 24, 2014 11:42am
EAD

Good Christmas reading:

http://www.xat.org/xat/usury.html

Lincoln issued his famous greenbacks to fund the Civil War without enslaving the American people to the 30% interest demanded by the bankers. Lincoln refused to plunge the people of the nation into a debt they could never pay back, and issued his own currency instead…..

The bankers understood the threat a government-issued currency represented to their wealth and power. The London Times wrote of Lincoln’s move…

“If that mischievous financial policy, which had its origin in the North American Republic, should become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without a debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous beyond precedent in the history of the civilized governments of the world. The brains and the wealth of all countries will go to North America. That government must be destroyed, or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.”
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December 24, 2014 11:49am
mikenmild

A classic exposition of one of the main weaknesses behind conspiracy theories, Redbaiter.
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December 24, 2014 11:50am
Redbaiter

The French Secret Services couldn’t even come down here to NZ and accomplish the relatively simple task of blowing up the Rainbow Warrior without messing it up (killing someone) and getting caught for it.
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December 24, 2014 11:55am
IGM

Seeing what has happened in Waikato, am I now required to gain resource consent to remove hemlock and ragwort? Time these council wimping leeches were brought to heel, treated similar to non-productive management in Kiwirail.
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December 24, 2014 11:55am
Yvette

Redbaiter
Not only would such an event require complete perfection in its USA execution, it would also require the complete co-operation of those it was blamed upon, so an incredible degree of showmanship masking totally reversed visions and beliefs of all those internationally invoved – that is all of the supposed enemy.
So Bin Laden would have had to abandon his beliefs, that totally opposed the USA, and humbly become their fall-guy.

Rainbow Warrior – not only did the French screw it up, New Zealand – although they caught them – stuffed things up as well.
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December 24, 2014 12:01pm
Longknives

Manolo- That New York Mayor is an absolute disgrace. The Chickens are Certainly coming home to Roost for that Crim-Hugger now. The NYPD all turning their backs on him was bloody brilliant..
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December 24, 2014 12:10pm
Hugh Pavletich

US economy booms! | | MacroBusiness Australia

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/12/us-economy-booms/

The winners and losers from falling oil prices | | MacroBusiness Australia

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/12/the-winners-and-losers-from-falling-oil-prices/
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December 24, 2014 12:33pm
wikiriwhis business

The MSD is clamping down on overpayments of benefit for those that have been working in part time employment. Dating back to 2009! A coincidence of dates given Nationals term in office!

How do you trace back such errors in your own paperwork? Well its simple you dont unless you have written records and can prove that the information the IRD has supplied the MSD is correct! Also you can find your self a victim of a previous employer who may have not paid that last pay day or Holiday Payment. How you going to prove that? Well simply your not.

I read a blog from someone who has just been informed they owe the MSD over $2000 dating back 5 years! This person worked for the Ministry of Eduction and has a second firm listed as there employer! An employer they have not worked for it 3 years!

So anyone who is or has been working over the last 5 years declaring that income and claiming benefit! Watch out the MSD is clawing back every cent it can get. Placing you in debt! How ironic the IRD gives a refund for the overpayment of tax because your employment is on a secondary rate!

Colin Smith
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December 24, 2014 12:41pm
holysheet

RB
Anyone who wanted me to believe that there were other forces responsible for the attack on the World Trade Centre

Allahu Akbar says it all does it not?
How else could it all happen so perfectly
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December 24, 2014 12:41pm
wikiriwhis business

I got paid 30dollars today because apparently I’m not keeping up with my work obligations I live in nae nae and attend a course in Porirua everyday I have a job interview tommorow but winz expect me to go to winz instead wtf is that as for not meeting my obligations im doing that and more!!!

Moana Tamihana
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December 24, 2014 12:43pm
cha

Worst homo Marxist Kenyan ever!.
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Real gross domestic product — the value of the production of goods and services in the United
States, adjusted for price changes — increased at an annual rate of 5.0 percent in the third quarter of
2014, according to the “third” estimate released by the Bureau of Economic Analysis. In the second
quarter, real GDP increased 4.6 percent.

http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/national/gdp/gdpnewsrelease.htm
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December 24, 2014 12:47pm
wikiriwhis business

“National rewarded H. Clark and M. Cullen’s economic terrorism by giving the dreadful doctor the title of Sir.
Disgraceful cheapening of a knighthood.”

Nat/Lab coalition actually.
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December 24, 2014 12:48pm
wikiriwhis business

See this MSD Video that cover WinA and CYF as well http://youtu.be/975DoNOhG9o

When an organisation has certain issues, especially when in damage mode, they go to their Marketers, who go through a model they are taught called the promotional mix. One of those mixes is called PR- and under that model is to preserve reputations and to protect the organisation.

Liberty Bell
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December 24, 2014 12:50pm
wikiriwhis business

“Since when have Winz workers become qualified to judge someone’s mental health or health issues? Someone on a sickness benefit who is undergoing therapy and supported by their Doctor for a serious mental illness is told by their Winz Caseworker today “Oh you will be ok, just get over it. You won’t commit suicide. Be here next month to start looking for work!”
This Government is meddling where they are not qualified to.”

Cora Russell
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December 24, 2014 12:52pm
Redbaiter

Worst homo Marxist Kenyan ever!.

Seen this graph Cha?
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December 24, 2014 12:59pm
cha

Who knew, a Daniel Ivandjiiski fan boy.
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December 24, 2014 1:03pm
mandk

holysheet @9.51

Hitler’s driving philosophy was essentially pagan. Stalin and Mao were driven by Marx. Pol Pot was atheist.
But you think nearly all the world’s conflicts had religion at their roots. You need to provide evidence, instead of using 3rd form rhetoric.
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December 24, 2014 1:08pm
mikenmild

So Redbaiter, you denounce a well known conspiracy theory. Great, but then you go and take information from zerohedge?
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December 24, 2014 1:11pm
Redbaiter

Not only would such an event require complete perfection in its USA execution, it would also require the complete co-operation of those it was blamed upon, so an incredible degree of showmanship masking totally reversed visions and beliefs of all those internationally invoved – that is all of the supposed enemy. So Bin Laden would have had to abandon his beliefs, that totally opposed the USA, and humbly become their fall-guy.

Good points Yvette. Although no doubt there is already a dozen scenarios floating around out there somewhere to counter them.
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December 24, 2014 1:20pm
Redbaiter

So Redbaiter, you denounce a well known conspiracy theory. Great, but then you go and take information from zerohedge?

So there is a conspiracy behind the figures?

They’re a fact.

This point is made in many places. I merely thought the graph was the best way to represent it.

Not that I need to apologise for reading Zero Hedge.
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December 24, 2014 1:22pm
Viking2

One great invention of a private enterprise system is bankruptcy, an institution for putting an eventual stop to costly failure.

No such institution has yet been conceived of in the political process, and an unsuccessful policy has no inherent termination.

Indeed, political rewards are more closely proportioned to failure than to success, for failure demonstrates the need for larger appropriations and more power.

http://utopiayouarestandinginit.com/2014/12/24/the-sky-city-bailout-it-is-common-for-private-sector-mega-projects-to-fail/
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December 24, 2014 1:25pm
wreck1080

Shit like this happens all the time….

https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/25851089/woman-bottled-in-hamilton-bar/

Bastard should be jailed. He seriously could have killed her.
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December 24, 2014 1:29pm
dime

halfway through glazing a ham for tomorrow… it is looking absolutely sensational.

the glaze is orange marmalade, maple syrup an orange juice.
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December 24, 2014 1:32pm
dime

what sick puppy downticked my ham? lol
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December 24, 2014 1:41pm
Lucia Maria

Sounds yummy, Dime.

I’m trying this recipe out tomorrow : Smoked Ham with Pomegranate Molasses, Black Pepper and Mustard Glaze
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December 24, 2014 1:43pm
Redbaiter

what sick puppy downticked my ham? lol

A Muslim?
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December 24, 2014 1:45pm
Longknives

“what sick puppy downticked my ham?”

One of our Islamic contributors??
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December 24, 2014 1:46pm
Longknives

Careful Red! Someone might think we are one and the same..
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December 24, 2014 1:47pm
Lucia Maria

They down ticked my ham as well. Obviously someone who is not getting any.
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December 24, 2014 2:04pm
Lucia Maria

Let’s see if they hate alcohol as well. Here’s a Christmas Eggnog recipe which I want to try one day when I have enough people to drink it with me:

12 eggs
750 ml whiskey
2 ltr French Vanilla icecream
1 tsp nutmeg

Blend. Drink.
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December 24, 2014 2:08pm
Reid

One question Reid – do you think Putin & China are part of the NWO great game? Are they and Islam being set up as the fall guys for when the Empire of debt finally collapses so the idiot masses have someone to blame when WWIII starts?

That’s two questions EAD.

To the first, yes. But as you know, just because you’re in the NWO doesn’t mean you’re not going to be taken out when the timing suits – look at Ghaddaffi for just one example and look at Japan for another.

China’s biggest weakness and it knows it, is what the Chinese people are going to do about wanting to live in a one-party state when it becomes apparent the state isn’t capable of giving them double-digit year in, year out growth anymore. And that day is as far away as the evil ones wish it to be, they could do it tomorrow if they wished, but it’s a long-term (decades) global tank that would trigger that and such an event also has factors other than just a single country in the calculation.

My current reading on the second is that ISIS is an experiment. They won’t particularly care if it gets wiped out, they just want to see how the dynamics play out and use them to learn for when they launch ISIS-II except this time they won’t name it after their own God, that’s IMO why they tried but failed to change its name – because certain people complained it was giving ISIS a bad name. But too late, the meme had been taken up.

Muslim-Christian war is their ultimate aim, but I have a feeling they’ll go the economic crash route first, to soften up the people and make them desperate, but you can see them making preparations all over. Well, some of us can.
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December 24, 2014 2:10pm
Inandout

Just remember folks to stop buying your kids gender specific toys, and give the boys dolls and the girls trucks. ‘No Gender December’ is being promoted by some strange wimmins organisation. Imagine..’Johnny put that truck down and play with your dolls’…’Samantha, stop playing with that dolls house, and get your cowboy suit on’.
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December 24, 2014 2:14pm
cha

Worst ever!.

btw – must suck if you thought Glen Becks gold bugging was financial advice

The S&P 500 and the Dow Jones Industrial Average set records in a fifth day of gains as investors cheered data showing the U.S. economy expanded in the third quarter by the most in 11 years.

“Whenever we hit a milepost, the news is spread to the mainstream, and a lot of people are still concerned about the market from 2008, so the round numbers help us move the Wall Street numbers to Main Street,” Art Hogan, chief market strategist at Wunderlich Securities, of the Dow closing above 18,000 for the first time.

“The GDP number blew everybody away,” said Hogan.

The key theme coming into 2015 is a confident consumer that is driven by the tail winds of higher levels of employment, lower costs of energy and higher equity market. Your 401K is doing better, your job is doing better and it cost less to fill up your tank. 2015 investing will be everything that is facing the consumer,” Hogan said.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102291724
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December 24, 2014 2:17pm
Rowan

Longblouse @ 1.47

I’m pretty sure that there is only one Redbaiter here and that you are not an identity of his!
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December 24, 2014 2:17pm
mikenmild

‘the evil ones’
Do you mean the IOC, Reid?
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December 24, 2014 2:18pm
Fletch

Ahh, Simon’s Cat, will you ever learn?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6OHkuC9vsE
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December 24, 2014 2:21pm
dime

lucia – looks good 😀

Dime has never hosted xmas day before.. its a bit of a mission.. the gf has prepared all sorts.. dime on ham and chicken duty!
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December 24, 2014 2:29pm
cha

Holiday dump….

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/24/us/house-irs-inquiry-shows-no-connections-to-white-house.html
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December 24, 2014 2:31pm
Lucia Maria

Good luck, Dime! Hosting is all about preparation, and it sounds like you and the gf are well ahead there. 🙂
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December 24, 2014 2:55pm
holysheet

Luchia why destroy all that good whiskey by adding that other stuff?
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December 24, 2014 3:30pm
stephieboy

The latest piece of conspiracy based nonsense this time about Flight 370 ,

‘U.S. military shot down MH370 because they thought it had been hacked and was about to be used in terror attack’, claims former airline boss

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2883651/U-S-military-shot-MH370-thought-hacked-used-terror-attack-claims-former-airline-boss.html

Note that this was originally published by Sputnik and Russia Today two of the Kremlin’s leading propaganda organs about Proteus Airlines former CEO claims.

My above link is from the Daily Mail which confirms the lie often touted by Conspiracy Theorists that Western Media are biased and don’t report these events.In fact the Murdoch Daily Mail is to be commended for this and also in depth coverage of MH 17 and ready to print both sides of the tragedy including the Kremlin”s official propaganda organs like RT and Sputnik .
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December 24, 2014 3:50pm
nasska

Advice for Xmas:

Now is a great time of year for you to splash out on some lingerie to spice up your sex life & the shop assistants are more likely to think it’s for a wife or girlfriend.
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December 24, 2014 4:26pm
Inandout

nasska: Oh you are awful, but I like ya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkLRZzukcJc
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December 24, 2014 4:42pm
rightoverlabour

While the New Zealand police enforce a no tolerance to speed and reduced alcohol limits and alienate the public, the police in another part of the world try and build good community relations….http://www.metaspoon.com/officer-traffic-stop-christmas-surprise/

Guess which method is probably going to be more effective?
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December 24, 2014 4:43pm
mikenmild

I should have thought the Police were doing the right thing by enforcing the laws that the people’s representatives have made.
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December 24, 2014 4:46pm
mandk

@ holysheet,

Going back to my earlier comment, I’d be interested to have some examples of conflicts that you think had religion at their roots. It should be easy for you to tell me, given that you think nearly all the worlds conflicts were like this.
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December 24, 2014 5:00pm
Nostradamus

Philip Smith vows to take hairpiece battle to court

Convicted murderer and paedophile Phillip Smith will go to court in a bid to get his hairpiece back next month if it is not returned to him.

An email sent to media from Smith’s lawyer Tony Ellis advised that interviews sought with Smith by TVNZ, Fairfax and Radio NZ had been refused by Corrections. A fourth request had yet to receive an answer.

Mr Ellis said he was advised by Corrections that interview requests were decided on after balancing freedom of expression and victims’ rights.

Smith had instructed Mr Ellis to seek a judicial review of Corrections’ refusal to grant the interview requests in the High Court.

Smith would also seek a review of the decision to deny him his hairpiece if he hadn’t had it back by the time the judicial review was lodged next month.

Smith’s unusual hairpiece was confiscated after he was deported from Brazil on November 28.

He then embarked on a hunger strike in a bid to have it returned, but gave up after less than four days.

We’re talking here about a convicted murderer and paedophile.

Message to the media: please don’t give this piece of shit the publicity he craves – he doesn’t deserve it.

Message to the Department of Corrections: the public would quite understand if the hairpiece happened to *ahem* be permanently misplaced.
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December 24, 2014 5:27pm
Steve (North Shore)

cha @ 1043. Soccer Snooker, this could take off – I like.
Who are the fuckwits that downticked that? what morons.
Edit, I see one moron has downticked me already, Merry Xmas humourless one
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