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December 23, 2014 11:49am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 23 December 2014

Apologies for the late post – Kokila

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SGA

Groundhog day?
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December 23, 2014 11:57am
Hugh Pavletich

THE RUSSIANS ARE FRACKED … GEORGE P MITCHELL … ENTREPRENEUR

Russia faces full-blown crisis, says Kudrin – FT.com … google earch title if blocked …

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d8bf5266-89cb-11e4-9dbf-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3MfG4DcOE

… due to the entrepreneurial genius of George P Mitchell …

George P. Mitchell – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_P._Mitchell

A Tribute to George P. Mitchell – YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pe9qAQZ1pp8
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December 23, 2014 12:00pm
Redbaiter

Wow, two GDs.

The Penny Bright fan club can really get their rocks off today.
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December 23, 2014 12:00pm
Hugh Pavletich

WILL THEY DE-CENTRALIZE THE DYSFUNCTIONAL CHRISTCHURCH CITY COUNCIL ?

Shipley to lead transition from Cera – Georgina Stylianou and Charlie Gates – The Press

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/64406938/Shipley-to-lead-transition-from-Cera

… Pavletich comment …

The failure of the top-down centralized approach by Central Government, CERA and the Christchurch City Council have been obvious since the date of the first earthquake events 4 September 2010 … over 4 years ago now.

Early 2012, former Christchurch Central MP Brendon Burns explained this serious issue most eloquently in a The Press Opinion … SHINING A LIGHT IN THE DARKNESS …

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/perspective/6380541/Better-communication-can-shine-a-light-in-the-darkness

“For this city to best recover from its seismic nightmare, the process of decision- making needs to be inverted to truly empower communities. Such a radical change is very difficult to accept for anyone – of any political persuasion – who happens to be in power.”

“To date, the required response is tokenistic. A top-down command and control system may be appropriate in the days after a disaster but not in a recovery which will take years. Among the ultimate victims will be those who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when it comes to true community engagement. Just look at the Christchurch City Council.”

The only question now is … will local community leaders belatedly take back real control by de-centralizing the Christchurch City Council?

Mayor Lianne Dalziel, with other elected representatives and Council CE Dr Karleen Edwards have said this must happen.

Sadly … the progress to date has been glacial. All talk and no action.
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December 23, 2014 12:02pm
Hugh Pavletich

Surge of rebuild workers predicted – Tim Fulton – The Press

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/64406916/Surge-of-rebuild-workers-predicted

… Pavletich comment …

When do they belatedly intend to release affordable land on the fringes of Christchurch, to allow desperately needed affordable housing to be built ?

Where is the new fringe starter housing at about $1,000 per square metre all up ( serviced lot and construction costs). Refer Andrew Atkin THE REAL DEAL …

http://andrewatkin.blogspot.co.nz/2013/03/the-real-deal-housing-in-new-zealand.html

Christchurch housing is currently internationally rated “severely unaffordable” at about 6.0 times annual household incomes ( refer Demographia Survey http://www.demographia.com ).

A sustainable recovery cannot take place until the Authorities ALLOW affordable housing to be built.

It has been a very long wait indeed, since the first earthquake events 4 September 2010 … some 4 years now.

Hugh Pavletich
Co-author Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/ & http://info.scoop.co.nz/Hugh_Pavletich
Christchurch
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December 23, 2014 12:03pm
Jack5

Good holiday reading here! An American looks at NZ’s campaign to kill out pests like possums and rats. The best wrap-up of it I’ve found.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/12/22/big-kill?utm_source=tny&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dailyemail&mbid=nl_DAILY_122214&CNDID=27594376&spMailingID=7380806&spUserID=NDk0ODY2MTUyNDAS1&spJobID=582894287&spReportId=NTgyODk0Mjg3S0
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December 23, 2014 12:15pm
lilman

Hugh you sanctimonious self-appointed encyclopedia of knowledge,merry xmass.
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December 23, 2014 12:30pm
Don the Kiwi

This extra GD is to ridicule Penny the Pubic Watchbitch, and to get embroiled in Christian/ Atheist argument, which is to be respectful, factual and logical.
Oh, and empirical evidence (positive evidence, not negative opinion) will add additional merit to any proposition. 🙂 🙂

The other thread deals with all other topics – so Griff can expound his AGW, Reid can expound his conspiracy theories, and Redbaiter and Shawn can merrily scorn eachother with impunity. 🙂

[DPF: Don’t refer to people at bitches]
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December 23, 2014 12:30pm
SGA

@Don the Kiwi
And, just to round it out, perhaps you, Kimbo, and Shawn could conduct one of your ever-popular debates on the finer points of church doctrine for Redbaiter’s edification. 🙂
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December 23, 2014 12:48pm
Manolo

Another lovely and peaceful Muslim: http://rt.com/news/216827-france-lorry-crash-christmas/

Witnesses told L’Express the man was shouting “Allahu Akbar”. Despite some media reports called the incident a “jihadist attack”, this has not been confirmed by officials.
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December 23, 2014 12:52pm
Hugh Pavletich

GETTING WORSE BY THE DAY FOR THE AUSSIES … IRON ORE …

Daily iron ore price update (new lows) | | MacroBusiness Australia … behind paywall …

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2014/12/daily-iron-ore-price-update-new-lows-2/

Here are the latest prices and charts pertaining to the iron ore complex. It was a bad night, with spot (Qingdao), 12 month swap, futures and steel prices (Rebar) all falling, with spot and steel prices both plumbing fresh 5-year lows: Bloomberg provides some texture: “The falling price this year has been far deeper than anyone anticipated,” Andrew Hodge, an analyst at Wood Mackenzie Ltd. in Sydney, said before today’s prices were released. “China has had weaker than expected demand from its own residential property sector. For the big three, they have the lowest cost… read more via hyperlink above …

Iron Ore Extends Drop to Five-Year Low as China Economy Weakens – Bloomberg

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-22/iron-ore-extends-drop-to-five-year-low-as-china-economy-weakens.html
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December 23, 2014 1:00pm
Hugh Pavletich

MERRY CHRISTMAS KIWIBLOGGERS !

Miss Rheema Marvanne expresses the spirit of Christmas beautifully … with … O HOLY NIGHT …

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhcZ6b2FSsk
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December 23, 2014 1:10pm
Manolo

The crisis in Russia deepens: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11307775/Russia-starts-bailing-out-banks-as-economy-faces-full-blown-economic-crisis.html

The Central Bank of Russia has said it will provide £343m of support to one of the country’s more troubled banks, as analysts warn of a wave of defaults in the sector.
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December 23, 2014 1:58pm
Jack5

Whale has breached the surface in shower of spray today as he hunts the National public-relations fish Michelle Boag and Cedric Allan.

When Cameron Slater spouts the display is spectacular. Right or wrong, he’s not boring. He’s definitely of the Odontoceti family of whales (the toothed type).
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December 23, 2014 1:59pm
Redbaiter

Redbaiter and Shawn can merrily scorn eachother

He is too busy reporting me to scorn me. This hypocritical POS has written the below comments about me but still has the unmitigated gall to complain when he gets some back. Just a jerk and Farrar should know better than to allow himself to be used in this partisan manner by hypocritical narks.

“Given your frequent predilections for brainless comments, trolling, racist ignorance, and white supremacy, in my opinion it is perfectly reasonable to consider you a Nazi scum bag with the intellectual ability of a retarded, syphilis ridden monkey.”
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December 23, 2014 2:05pm
wreck1080

Heart breaking….

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/64419201/four-dead-in-northland-truck-crash

Assuming worst case that a child has lost both parents and a sibling perhaps.

Keep safe on the roads out there.
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December 23, 2014 2:21pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

Palpable sexual tension between Redbaiter and Shawn
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December 23, 2014 2:24pm
Jack5

Further to Hugh Pavletich’s 12.02 about Brownlee’s appointment of a board to lead Christchurch’s transition from CERA.

Two points.

As a Christchurch citizen I’m unimpressed by the choice of Jenny Shipley as chairman/chairwoman/chair/whatever. The skepticism arises from her association at board level with Richina, once big in NZ construction and the wool industry and once big in supply of tanned hides for the Shanghai shoe industry, the world’s biggest. Its performance was hardly stellar.

Second, I’m not sure why Maggy Tai Rakena would be included on the board. Maggy seems to be manager or director of the STOP Trust, an NGO, whose main role seems to be counselling victims of sex abuse. The web site in its blurb about her, says:

Maggy’s early work background & training is in early childhood education in the areas of daycare, crèche & kohanga reo for over 20 years.

I’m sure Maggy’s work is commendable and helpful for those who need it, but I’m not sure why she was selected for the committee associated with rebuilding a quake-ravaged city, unless the appointment is the result of a lazy civil servant trying to provide gender and racial “balance”.

I note that Mark Solomon, the chief of the South Island tribe Ngai Tahu, is on the board. Ngai Tahu are a minority among Christchurch Maori, but if Solomon is there to represent Christchurch Maori of all tribes that’s fine. Ngai Tahu smarts might be useful for tax aspects, too.
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December 23, 2014 2:39pm
SGA

Well the (accidental) new GD roulette game – click on a recent “Latest Post” for GD and see where you land – does add a different dimension to the day. Not sure it’s a feature I’d like to see permanently installed.
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December 23, 2014 2:49pm
wikiriwhis business

So if you are a boss it is now ok to slap your staff on the bum. The courts are making complainants pay so as to discourage sexual harassment complaints. Sexual harassment in the work place no supported by the courts and complaints now consider ‘nusence complaints’

http://www.stuff.co.nz/…/Filing-a-greviance-over-a-bum-slap…

Now this is what I mean by employers having everything and the workers having nothing.

No wonder Dotcom lost his courst case….it’s all rigged

This country is run by National Socialism.
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December 23, 2014 3:11pm
Jack5

Wikiwiri posted at 3.11:

…This country is run by National Socialism….

What are you on today, Wikiwiri? Labour-Greens, the socialists, lost the election, they aren’t running it.
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December 23, 2014 3:14pm
rightoverlabour

Sad day that another family gets wiped out. However, the new speed tolerance is really working well is it not? Policing bad driving is far more important than policing speed per se. (and doing u turns on an open highway is bad driving as this family unfortunately found out.)
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December 23, 2014 3:35pm
wikiriwhis business

What are you on today, Wikiwiri? Labour-Greens, the socialists, lost the election, they aren’t running it.

A two party coalition and we all suffer for their vested interests ……have a look at this

This needs to be shown to Simon Bridges and his Nat mates
http://www.facebook.com/l.php…

The alarming research behind New York’s fracking ban.

An analysis in the findings of Gov Guomo’s 184 page review of hydraulic fracturing
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December 23, 2014 3:42pm
stephieboy

Yesterday one poster naming himself Redbaiter gave a highly misleading account of GWB’s rather now rather infamous “Mission Accomplished ” speech aboard the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln ,This account below attempts to restore the historical record of the occasion .

Mission Accomplished: A look back at the media’s fawning coverage of Bush’s premature declaration of victory in Iraq,

“On May 1, 2003, President Bush landed on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln aboard an S-3B Viking jet, emerged from the aircraft in full flight gear, and proceeded to “press[] flesh,” as The Washington Post put it, as he shook hands and hugged crew members in front of the cameras. Later that day, Bush delivered a nationally televised speech from the deck of the Abraham Lincoln in which he declared that “[m]ajor combat operations in Iraq have ended,” all the while standing under a banner reading: “Mission Accomplished.” Despite lingering questions over the continued violence in Iraq, the failure to locate weapons of mass destruction, and the whereabouts of Saddam Hussein, as well as evidence that Bush may have shirked his responsibilities in the Texas Air National Guard (TANG) during the Vietnam War, the print and televised media fawned over Bush’s “grand entrance” and the image of Bush as the “jet pilot” and the “Fighter Dog…..”

More here,

http://mediamatters.org/research/2006/04/27/mission-accomplished-a-look-back-at-the-medias/135513

The only thing I wish to add is that irrespective of what GWB said or not the prominent banner displayed on the Abraham Lincoln gives the game away .And yes ,they did catch Sadaam Hussein but never found the alleged WMD and we now still live with the resulting implosion and aftermath .Yet there still those who want to go there again and spend another one trillion to sort out the
enormous mess originally created .
What was that about those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them ?
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December 23, 2014 3:57pm
Redbaiter

The truth about Media Matters.

No one but an uninformed yapping tool would think any commentary from this tainted partisan far left organisation to be worth more than a pinch of goat shit.
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December 23, 2014 4:03pm
mikenmild

Yesterday you tried to mislead about this by saying the banner was raised by the ship’s crew. Did you know when you said this that the banner had been arranged by the White House?
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December 23, 2014 4:09pm
Redbaiter

Ahhh, another question from Milky. The Great Left Wing Interrogator.

I did not mislead. Unlike yourself, I know both sides to this story because I do not allow the left wing MSM to full my head with one sided BS the way you do.

The truth of the matter is that there was a White House officer sent to the carrier to make arrangements for the President’s visit. While there he became engaged in conversation with the carrier’s crew who told him they would like to emblazon the stage with a banner reading MISSION ACCOMPLISHED so as to send up a victorious signal to their families and Navy buddies.

The White House rep, a guy called Scott Sforza, was taken with the idea and discussed it with other White House operatives. They gave the green light. Bush didn’t even know the banner was going to be there.

So the left wing media used this event as a means to discredit Bush, by misleading the public on the banner and distorting what Bush said, most infamously by falsely truncating the statement- “In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed and now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.” by ending it after “prevailed” and before the “and”.

Its all just left wing bullshit Milky, like most of what you write here. Its not your fault entirely. Its just that you’re like a lot of people sucked in by a politically partisan mainstream media.
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December 23, 2014 4:28pm
G152

Sadly theres going to be a lot of accidents these holidays because every-one will be watching the speedo and not the road
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December 23, 2014 4:31pm
cha

The truth of the matter is that there was a White House officer sent to the carrier to make arrangements for the President’s visit. While there he became engaged in conversation with the carrier’s crew who told him they would like to emblazon the stage with a banner reading MISSION ACCOMPLISHED so as to send up a victorious signal to their families and Navy buddies.

Cool story bro….

Media strategists noted afterward that Mr. Sforza and his aides had choreographed every aspect of the event, even down to the members of the Lincoln crew arrayed in coordinated shirt colors over Mr. Bush’s right shoulder and the ”Mission Accomplished” banner placed to perfectly capture the president and the celebratory two words in a single shot. The speech was specifically timed for what image makers call ”magic hour light,” which cast a golden glow on Mr. Bush.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/16/us/keepers-of-bush-image-lift-stagecraft-to-new-heights.html?src=pm&pagewanted=2
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December 23, 2014 4:35pm
Redbaiter

Yeah Cha, NYT.

Media Matters puppets.

FFS..!!

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2009/10/21/liberal-bias-is-killing-the-new-york-times/
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December 23, 2014 4:39pm
cha

Still a cool story bro…

The huge “Misson Accomplished” banner, produced by Bush public relations staffers and designed to match other event banners and graphics, stretches high above Bush’s head. (One of the chief producers of the event, former ABC producer Scott Sforza, had boarded the Lincoln days before to ensure that production values were met. Sforza made sure that the banner would be visible to the cameras during Bush’s speech—see Before May 1, 2003.) [Unger, 2007, pp. 304-305]

http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=scott_sforza_1
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December 23, 2014 4:44pm
Redbaiter

So what Cha?

Your last comment doesn’t challenge anything in my original comment.

Stop wasting my time with self serving searches that only reveal your complete lack of any ability to express yourself.
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December 23, 2014 4:46pm
Griff

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Wingnut

Just like not all conservatives are neocons, not all conservatives are wingnuts either. In fact, more often than not, the term is usually used interchangably with “reactionary” or “radical right”.

Being a wingnut requires a particularly paranoid worldview, teetering on the edge of or falling wholesale into tinfoil hat territory, as wingnuttery causes the victim to refuse to accept any source of information that doesn’t back up their prejudices (essentially, wingnuts are almost always authoritarian as well as being politically right-wing). Constant gibbering about the “liberal media” as well as a slavish devotion to cognitive dissonance, conspiracy theories, global warming denialism, psychological projection, and crackpot theories of economics (i.e. Austrian school) are also, if not required, at the very least nearly universal symptoms
This is all usually accompanied by a side dish of a severe persecution complex.

Ever get the feeling people pick on you redbaiter ?
two strikes 😆
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December 23, 2014 4:50pm
cha

Your last comment doesn’t challenge anything in my original comment.

Persisting with a lie doesn’t make it true.
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December 23, 2014 4:55pm
Redbaiter

So I was browsing the web one day when I stumbled across a site called RationalWiki. Now the name and the design was appealing, what with the brain in the brackets and whatnot, so I decided to search through the site by looking at random articles to see what kind of material they offered. Well, what I found was anything but material that you’d expect to see on a site called “RationalWiki.” Instead, I find a series of nauseatingly shallow and arrogant articles that would make any objective scholar cringe; that this material is on the internet and no one has challenged it tells me a lot about the intellectual bankruptcy of the Western World. ….

…These terms fully reveal not only the intent of the RationalWiki page in question, but also of the entire site. This is not an isolated incident. The entire site is plagued by trash (the only suitable term) of this nature. I have no doubts that RationalWiki is just a front for Left-Wing Progressivism (a type of Socialism, basically), based on the style of the writing and the methods of argumentation used.

http://kenpruitt666.wordpress.com/2012/04/07/rationalwiki-is-a-front-for-socialist-indoctrination/
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December 23, 2014 5:01pm
Redbaiter

So what about that adjective “rational” (as in RationalWiki)?

It’s strange, really, because in this article — and in most of the others I’ve read at RationalWiki — there are virtually no arguments. There’s a lot of sarcasm (as I said); though not much logical reasoning, argumentation or even discussion. It’s as if the very fact these writers/editors have used the self-description “rational” (as well as the fact that it has a left-liberal – sometimes outright Leftist – slant) is all it takes to be, well, rational.

Similarly, RationalWiki believes that all it takes for someone to be irrational is to be a “right-winger”;

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/11/rationalwiki_emamerican_thinkerem_is_a_wingnut_publication.html
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December 23, 2014 5:04pm
mikenmild

Well of course RationalWiki is a front Redbaiter. Anything or anyone that doesn’t agree with you is obviously part of a gigantic Marxist conspiracy.
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December 23, 2014 5:05pm
Rowan

Redbaiter @ 4:03

“No one but an uninformed yapping tool would think any commentary from this tainted partisan far left organisation to be worth more than a pinch of goat shit.”

A good description of Stupidboy and why he posted it here!
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December 23, 2014 5:07pm
Redbaiter

Grief will have to do a lot of crawling and hand licking to make up for the damage to his self esteem that resulted from his last appearance here on GD a week or so ago.
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December 23, 2014 5:12pm
mikenmild

Amazingly, RationalWiki is not very complimentary about the laughably misnamed American Thinker:
‘The magazine, of course, is chock-full of right-wing conspiracy theories, woo, and pseudoscience. On the conspiracy side, they promote birtherism, “creeping sharia,” red-baiting, and still occasionally prattle on about Vince Foster. On the science side, they concentrate on creationism and global warming denialism.’
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December 23, 2014 5:14pm
Redbaiter

Rationalwiki is a Progressive outfit Milky.

That’s why you and Grief are supporting it.
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December 23, 2014 5:18pm
mikenmild

I use and enjoy RationalWiki because it fits with my view of the world, much like the wingnut websites you rely on fit in with your view of the world.
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December 23, 2014 5:20pm
Redbaiter

RationalWiki is a genetic-egalitarian race-denialist propaganda website that is run by Ontario resident Trent Toulouse. RationalWiki is a wiki founded by secular humanists in response to Conservapedia. They regard Richard Dawkins as their messiah. It is based on MediaWiki, like Metapedia. The wiki has around 4200 English pages middle of May 2010. The information is inaccurate and sparse. The wiki begs for donations. The site is extremely anti-Christian and anti-Conservative and promotes sodomy and gun restriction.

Trent Toulouse has promoted like-minded people on the wiki to the rank of bureaucrat, and let them enforce the site’s propaganda and promote other like-minded people to bureaucrat, whereas Trent Toulouse himself does not directly enforce the propaganda. That serves to make Trent Toulouse appear blameless; the same tactic is used by Wikipedia owner Jimbo Wales. Trent Toulouse’s primary surrogate is the user “Human”; Human has done much of the bureaucratizing that Trent did not want his name attached to.

The website fraudulently portrays itself as being “rational”, and opposed to “pseudoscience”, yet promotes exactly the thing that they claim to oppose: the irrational spiritual pseudosciences of genetic egalitarianism and race denialism. On top of such deceptiveness, Trent Toulouse solicits donations (on the website’s main page) under these false pretenses. That fits within the definition of criminal fraud.

The first members of the website were leftist editors that trolled on Conservapedia. The main Judaic propagandist on RationalWiki is a user named Nebauchadnezzar, who fills the website database with reels of spittle about “anti-cementic conspiracy theorists”, up to and including shilling for the Rothschild family and George Soros.

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/RationalWiki
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December 23, 2014 5:25pm
Griff

Rational wiki is a front for rational thought.
Realty is liberal red.

Americanthinker
😆
Loons will read the darnedest rubbish.

All right wingers being wing nuts rational wiki sums it up as.
Just like not all conservatives are neocons, not all conservatives are wingnuts either.

You want Ken Priutt
here he is as the voice of discoduck

just who I would expect you to be into.
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December 23, 2014 5:26pm
Redbaiter

Look up “feminism” on RationalWiki and you’ll immediately find weaselly, highly subjective statements that lean squarely in the favor of a radical feminist’s perverted perception of reality. For example, the section entitled “Academic Criticism” begins the heading “Seeing rape everywhere” with these two sentences: “Feminists have in the past, and continue in the present to emphasize the importance of addressing modern rape culture. Something no one but the most aggressive MRA types think is a bad goal.”

http://nctritech.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/rationalwiki-universally-pushes-radical-feminist-dogma-which-isnt-rational-at-all/
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December 23, 2014 5:40pm
mikenmild

RationalWiki makes a great filter through which to pass many of the nutty ideas espoused on Kiwiblog.
But hey, go ahead Redbaiter and find some criticism of it from wingnuts. Just because something is true doesn’t mean you have to believe it.
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December 23, 2014 5:41pm
Redbaiter

At “Rational” Wiki, the article on Austrian Economics (AE) says, “…it is generally considered to be…outright pseudoscience.” As evidence of its “general consideration,” they link to a FAQ on “liberalism” in which the author refers to AE as “crank science,” then goes on to say that “the Austrian School of Economics is a tiny group of libertarians…financed by wealthy business donors on the far right.”

https://board.freedomainradio.com/topic/39451-rational-wiki-not-so-rational/
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December 23, 2014 5:44pm
Redbaiter

RationalWiki makes a great filter through which to pass many of the nutty ideas espoused on Kiwiblog.

Rationalwiki is just a couple of loser left wing dickwads and it doesn’t surprise me one bit that you and Grief are impressed by such a dumbarsed site.
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December 23, 2014 5:56pm
Griff

I get the feeling I have set old redbait into a fit rather than admit he fits he description.
That ok red.
Own the word.
Come out redbaiter.
Be a proud little wingnut !
Then the word loses its ability to upset you.
😆
Wingnuts are so funny
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December 23, 2014 6:00pm
dad4justice

“he fits he description”

Who is the wingnut gripp?
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December 23, 2014 6:07pm
Redbaiter

Grief posts crap from Rationalwiki because in his usual small minded low IQ uneducated deranged ignorance he thinks it is some kind of authentic Wiki site.

The big question is of course, if the stuff these two Progressive losers post is so rational, why does it need its own site and why can’t it just be posted on Wikipedia?

I’ll tell you.

Because its worthless crap.
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December 23, 2014 6:09pm
Shawn Herles

Rand Paul’s Cuba Meltdown

His mockery of Marco Rubio as “isolationist” reveals Paul as a joke in the foreign-policy arena. Rand Paul is no conservative; he’s a quack.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/395186/rand-pauls-cuba-meltdown-quin-hillyer
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December 23, 2014 6:10pm
Hugh Pavletich

CHRISTCHURCH TRANSITION … DAME JENNY SHIPLEY WILL BE OK …

Jack5 @2.39 … Thank you for your thoughtful post above, following mine on the Transition Committee for Christchurch.

Since we are commenting here on Kiwiblog, where there are many brittle and sensitive devotees of Our Great Leader … Prime Minister John Key … I think we should view Dame Jenny Shipley’s appointment to chair this Transition Committee as a “Great Leap Forward” in New Zealand politics.

The Great Leader may have made a sound decision with Christchurch, for a pleasant change. We will no doubt learn in due course.

As you will be aware … CERA was a huge amount of fun for the kiddies … Bruiser Brownlee and Goldilocks Sutton … and of course the hugging and “G – String Friday” parties and the rest of it.

I commented on this recently with … JUST MORE BUREAUCRATIC INSTITUTIONAL FAILURE …

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1411/S00539/just-more-bureaucratic-institutional-failure.htm

The recovery shambles will cost us all (yes … all New Zealanders) about $50 billion, when it should be about $20 billion … some $30 billion more that need be.

Mr Keys sidekick Mr English, I suspect, would like to see this reined in a bit, with things going pear shaped on the economic and Government finances front. I suspect we haven’t heard the last of the bad news out of China and Australia.

This grossly excessive recovery cost is because of a long history of dysfunctional urban governance … as I explained mid 2011 with CHRISTCHURCH STALLED RECOVERY …

http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/53947/opinion-hugh-pavletich-accuses-christchurch-city-council-blindness-blunders-and-chain-

… with the solutions outlined mid 2012 with … CHRISTCHURCH: THE WAY FORWARD …

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1206/S00251/christchurch-the-way-forward.htm

My sense is that Mr Key is rather keen to sober things up a bit … in appointing Dame Jenny to Chair this thing. She is of good solid Presbyterian stock and is not known for her frivolity.

There will likely be few (tax payer funded) parties … and most certainly none of the type I mentioned above.

I expect at least 25 positive ticks to this comment, with my sensitive comments about Mr Key !
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December 23, 2014 6:11pm
Griff

Giday d4j
had a nice wee holiday thanks
Hows the white Christmas going?
Sorted out the season and how they work in the southern hemisphere yet?
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December 23, 2014 6:13pm
Redbaiter

Progressives at work-

Girl’s lemonade stand shut down by WA council over health and safety concerns

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-23/bunbury-girls-lemonade-stand-closed-by-council/5985992
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December 23, 2014 6:20pm
Redbaiter

The recovery shambles will cost us all (yes … all New Zealanders) about $50 billion, when it should be about $20 billion … some $30 billion more that need be.

What’s an extra $30 billion?

Pffft, we can just add it on to the tab.
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December 23, 2014 6:22pm
Griff

Actually redbaiter it is a wiki
A wiki is a web application which allows collaborative modification, extension or deletion of its content and structure.

but you would think conservopadia is a reliable source.

so here is some urban dictionary definitions of wingnut
wingnut
n. An outspoken, irrational person with deeply-held, nominally conservative, political views. A person who chooses on principle to be flagrantly ignorant. A “right-wing nut”.
Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, and Fred Phelps are examples of the wingnut element in modern America.

wingnut
(noun) A person appearing to be moderately to severely crazy, disoriented, majobling, see Majoble, jumbled and more often than not, a total mess. A wingnut is a constant source of entertainment to those surrounding it
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December 23, 2014 6:35pm
Redbaiter

The Down’s Syndrome is acting up today Grief.

Maybe you need to up the medication.
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December 23, 2014 6:43pm
Lucia Maria

In the interests of providing a bridge to an alternative reality, here is the other General Debate of today.
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December 23, 2014 6:45pm
Shawn Herles

More Research In Favour Of Electronic Cigarettes

http://spinfuel.com/in-favour-of-electronic-cigarettes/
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December 23, 2014 6:51pm
freemark

Gidday Griff, you’re back!
I was a bit worried that with the rainy weather you may have run out of out of PV juice 🙂
I’m seeing massive results from some of my customers..40kWh last Friday out of a 5kW system..that’s over $10 worth of electricity replaced in just one day..awesome return.
I was reliably informed today that only “at least one” of 12(?) Green MP’s have Solar Power – surprised the hell out of me and I suggested it should be compulsory.
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December 23, 2014 7:05pm
Don the Kiwi

Well Griff.

Wadaya think of this, huh?

“By Thomas Lifson
Alarmism about global warming has been dealt yet another body blow, as the so-called “settled science” gets some unsettling data. Anthony Watts of Watts Up With That (hat tip: John Hinderaker of Powerline) reports on a new study of tree ring data indicating the long term trend has been cooling for the last two millennia:

As the international team of researchers from the Czech Republic, Finland, Germany, Greece, Sweden and Switzerland describes it, this history depicts “a long-term cooling trend of -0.30°C per 1,000 years over the Common Era in northern Europe” (see figure below). Most important of all, however, they note that their temperature reconstruction “has centennial-scale variations superimposed on this trend,” which indicate that “conditions during Medieval and Roman times were probably warmer than in the late 20th century,” when the previously-rising post-Little Ice Age mean global air temperature hit a ceiling of sorts above which it has yet to penetrate.

This is, in Watts’ words, “more real-world evidence for the fact, that there is nothing unusual, unnatural or unprecedented about the Earth’s current level of warmth.” In fact, if anything we are now cooler than through most of known history.

Of course, tree ring data is a proxy for temperature data. But if warmists wish to criticize this study on that basis, they open a Pandora’s Box, because tree ring data is at the heart of the infamous “hockey stick” used to such great effect to launch the entire fraud.”
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December 23, 2014 7:44pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/lqnlr1hogfcvl8f/Climate%20Crap%2010.jpg?dl=0
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December 23, 2014 7:49pm
Shawn Herles

Uh oh, global warming debate.

I’m off for a coffee. 🙂
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December 23, 2014 7:55pm
Redbaiter

I’m off for a coffee.

Of course. You and Kimbo would prefer to bore everyone stupid with endless biblical discussion.
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December 23, 2014 8:34pm
nasska

Well….it’s back to prog vs conservonutter.

You first Baity. 🙂
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December 23, 2014 8:39pm
Redbaiter

This article from Hugh Pavletich on Scoop is a bit close to home for you Nasska-

New Zealand’s bureaucracies at central and local level, are infested with washed up 1970’s type hippies. Most of their brain dead policy thinking could be summed up in the spaced out John Lennon song All You Need Is Love .

Little wonder then then larger local authorities have lost control of their costs.

Economists refer to this in dry technical terms as institutional failure .

New Zealand’s public service has “institutional failure” in abundance … at both the central and local level.

Indeed … it could fairly be said that New Zealand has a Bureaucratic Cancer Problem … with weak and inept political leadership, that is extremely hesitant to take it on.

Your generation doesn’t only run these bureaucracies Nasska, it built them.
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December 23, 2014 8:46pm
nasska

….”Your generation doesn’t only run these bureaucracies Nasska, it built them”…

I hang my head in shame. We don’t always get it right.
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December 23, 2014 8:48pm
freemark

Hey Red
Have a Merry Xmas..
May the joy, goodwill & happiness of the season be upon you.
Hope you have some good people to share it with..apparently there are a few seats left & you could hang out at the City Mission do in Auckland – show them how to do their own clean up & hug a few progs 🙂
I’m going on a roadie to catch up with some good people, will print up a few Warning Tickets for Unsafe, Ineffective & Unnecessary Conduct in case any of the Nanny State Boys in Blue get me for doing 101.
Peace Be on All the Other Brothers & Sisters here too..
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December 23, 2014 8:50pm
Viking2

Speeding was comfortably the most common type of driving offence in NSW in 2014, figures from the state’s revenue office show.

The state’s motorists paid a hefty $132 million in speeding fines for the first 10 months of 2014, provisional data shows, with speeding under 10km/h the most frequent offence. A total 258,081 fines were issued for motorists caught travelling 10km/h or under above the posted speed limited.

A total 229,423 fines were issued for speeding over 10km/h, 43,462 for speeding over 20km/h, 9303 for speeding over 30km/h and 2013 for speeding over 45km/h.

Coming to a town near you.

http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/the-most-common-driving-offences-of-2014-20141223-12czq4.html
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December 23, 2014 8:50pm
freemark

Don the Kiwi (1,825 comments) says:
December 23rd, 2014 at 7:44 pm
Well Griff.

Wadaya think of this, huh?….

Obviously they’re all wingnuts…
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December 23, 2014 8:52pm
stephieboy

Redbaiter, Rational Wki.? So you are a Conspiracy nut job after all.? Rational Wiki renders a Stirling service exposing all manner of crackpot conspiracy theories including chemtrails, 9/11 an Inside Job, Moon Hoax landings , David Icke , Alex Jones etc, etc.

What’s your pet favourite.?
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December 23, 2014 8:52pm
Redbaiter

I hang my head in shame. We don’t always get it right.

But wait, there’s more-

Police and Auckland Transport are working together to reduce risk for road users at key Auckland intersections by installing red light cameras.

Seven new red light camera sites will operate across Auckland next year.

Police will own and run two digital, dual function cameras capable of recording vehicles that run red lights and/or speed through intersections. They will initially operate in red-light mode only. This will bring the total number of red light camera sites across Auckland to 17.

http://transportblog.co.nz/2014/12/19/more-speed-and-red-light-cameras-on-the-way/
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December 23, 2014 8:54pm
Redbaiter

Hey Red
Have a Merry Xmas..
May the joy, goodwill & happiness of the season be upon you.

Compliments of the season to you too Freemark, and I hope 2015 turns out well for you.
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December 23, 2014 8:56pm
Viking2

Petrol at $1 a litre likely as producers battle in price war

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/business/petrol-at-1-a-litre-likely-as-producers-battle-in-price-war-20141223-12cqf4.html#ixzz3MhpGIsq5
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December 23, 2014 9:00pm
nasska

…”Seven new red light camera sites will operate across Auckland next year.”…..

Not that I drive in Auckland but I could live with a few red light cameras. Pinging someone for 112kph on the open road is just revenue gathering, plain & simple.

Being T boned by some arsehole running a red light can be a bit serious.
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December 23, 2014 9:01pm
Griff

😆
Single study in a local region and WUWT is his usual style is blowing out of proportion.
Its called global warming not Scandinavian warming for a reason.
We know for a fact that the northern alps region is warmer now than in it lest the last 1700 years, for the simple reason we find organic artifacts that will not have survived outside of ice patches for more than a few months.
Tree ring studys are not the only source of proxy data that confirms the present unprecedented global warmth
http://www.archaeology.org/issues/105-1309/letter-from/1165-glaciers-ice-patches-norway-global-warming#art_page4
http://glacierhub.org/2014/12/12/glacier-archaeology-comes-of-age/
Having a regional warmer period in the history doesn’t disprove global warming in fact as we know that periodic changes in the earths rotation and orbit caused energy flux changes in the past they only indicate that what we can expect more change from the present human caused energy imbalance.
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December 23, 2014 9:06pm
Redbaiter

I could live with a few red light cameras.

Same old sleepy reactionary progressive response.

Red-Light Cameras Increase Accidents: 5 Studies That Prove It

http://blog.motorists.org/red-light-cameras-increase-accidents-5-studies-that-prove-it/
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December 23, 2014 9:06pm
Tauhei Notts

Jack5 has a link in his 12.15 posting that is great reading. My daughter who lives in Willoughby Street, Brooklyn said it made her proud to be a New Zealander. She had read it in the New Yorker. It is wonderful journalism as it describes the conservation movement in New Zealand and there is no mention of Wussel Norman Tariana Turei. They are non-entities when it comes to conservation in our country.
Thank you Jack5 for bringing this to our attention. It is posts like that, that make this the best blog in the country.
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December 23, 2014 9:15pm
nasska

….”Red-Light Cameras Increase Accidents: 5 Studies That Prove It”….

The studies you instance do claim an increase in accidents but they also note that the type of accident has changed from T boning to rear enders. They also show that after installation the emphasis on altering the length of the amber part of the cycle to reduce nose to tail smashes was done away with in favour of harsh “enforcement.

Probably the latter was more lucrative than the former & amongst politicians of all hues revenue trumps all.
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December 23, 2014 9:16pm
stephieboy

Redbaier,

Presenting David Icke pp Rational Wiki.

Thoughts on his claim the Quuen is a shape shifting lizard amongst other things ?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/David_Icke

Suggest you might be over doing things during this silly season.

Do see you our Doctor before the 25th .

Cheers.!
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December 23, 2014 9:16pm
Nostalgia-NZ

5 studies that show that speeding tail gate(r)s are also red light runners. And that’s a reason to not police red light runners? Difficult to follow that one, even at speed.
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December 23, 2014 9:29pm
Griff

Its called critical thinking stephie
Red doesn’t have any skills in that area along with most of the wingnuts we get on here.
Against rational wiki he also quoted American not really for a thinker and the disco duck.
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December 23, 2014 9:35pm
nasska

….” speeding tail gate(r)s are also red light runners”….

Or people who make the wrong call on whether car in front will stop or speed up on an amber light.

The shorter the cycle the quicker the reaction required…..the potential light runner only has a split second to brake or accelerate.
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