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hj

Katrina Dawson exercised her White Privilege to go to a coffee shop. She ended up a hostage at the hands of “Sheikh” Haron Monis, an Iranian immigrant and “refugee” out on bail after being charged as an accessory to the murder of his wife. The good Sheikh also amused himself by writing letters to the parents of Australian soldiers killed overseas. During the Siege in Sydney, Monis carefully instructed his hostages to tell the outside world that they were being held by someone acting on behalf of the Islamic State, a demand which was largely refused. After all, who is Monis to describe the “root causes” for his own actions?
Even as Australians were under the guns of a zealot, one Rachael Jacobs *quickly understood what needed to be done. On a train, she saw a woman on a train fiddling with her headscarf while looking at her phone, presumably reading the news. In what is surprisingly not self-parody, Jacobs recounts:

Tears sprang to my eyes and I was struck by feelings of anger, sadness and bitterness. It was in this mindset that I punched the first status update into my phone, hoping my friends would take a moment to think about the victims of the siege who were not in the cafe.

A few miles away, another hostage, shop manger Tori Johnson, heroically rushed the gunman. He was killed, but the shots provided the impetus for the police to storm the shop. Johnson has some minor recognition because he was gay and can be used to criticize Australia’s conservative government.

http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2014/12/18/the-hate-in-a-hashtag

* Green Candidate for Brisbane ward (University lecturer)
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December 20, 2014 8:02am
hj

Frank Salter

A striking feature of the siege in Sydney is the emphasis given by the political establishment to controlling public response to the attack.

Even before the terrorist began shooting hostages, the media and their academic experts were warning Australians that the attack had nothing to do with Islam or with multiculturalism or immigration

So this is not an isolated event, as the MSM claim. It fits a pattern of the Arabic-Islamic population showing a relatively very high rate of separateness, difference, and hostility. It has been obvious for many years that Arab-Islamic immigration is a failed experiment. It is now costing lives. Politicians and commentators who have promoted Arab-Islamic immigration should apologize and then either reverse that stance or resign. They won’t do that, of course. The political system has been turned against the nation. Our present prime minister, Tony Abbott, stated last year that Islamic citizens are as Australian as Christians and Jews.

No journalist has yet reported the anti-white animus of Tessa Kum, the television editor who coined the Twitter hashtag #illridewithyou that has become popular in Australia. An astute commentator, Chris Kenny, criticized the effort to demonize a potential anti-Muslim backlash but thought this was accidental. He failed to note the anti-white sentiment of Kum. It took Steve Sailer in America to discover Kum’s passionate hate-filled ravings against whites on her Facebook page. Kum borrows idea from the academic field of “whiteness studies”, itself an example of the anti-Western politicized social science to which our children are exposed.

http://www.eurocanadian.ca/2014/12/sydney-siege-how-establishment-hosed-down-white-reaction.html

Radio NZ Media watch won’t be all over it
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December 20, 2014 8:03am
duggledog

Check out this story from Stuff this morning about a woman living on Struggle Street in Timaru:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/64344797/struggling-to-make-ends-meet

It’s a great example of where so many kiwis are now. I’m not pointing the finger at her per se, but this woman is symptomatic of a wider malaise in NZ that has gradually entrenched itself over the years.

How do you get to the age of 37, and be utterly destitute? Sure, all sorts of things happen in one’s life that knock you down a peg or two, but what has she done since leaving school? Anything?

Meanwhile, go into any school in Auckland and you can see the Indian and Chinese and Filipino kids streaking along, getting ready for Uni, getting ready to become the doctors and accountants and lawyers of the future.
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December 20, 2014 8:10am
waikatogirl

Penny, I see you are still in full flow, how about giving your campaigns a rest until the new year. A lot of officials are really busy trying to finish work before the Christmas break.

You must need to your give your brain a grease and oil change at some stage! Give us all a break for a few days.

Have a merry Christmas Penny.
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December 20, 2014 8:10am
mikenmild

Not a fan of Media Watch, hj?
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December 20, 2014 8:10am
Pete George

The fraud being investigated at Dunedin City Council is appalling. All the blame seems aimed at one person who died days after being confronted and spending a weekend destroying evidence. “No suspicious circumstances” regarding his death but many suspicious circumstances around his abuse of the city council and ratepayers.

And gobsmacking laxity and unaccountability from the Council.

Bachop was Citifleet Team Leader. More aptly named CitiFleece.

How can there be 129 vehicles on the Fixed Asset Register that have been sold over many years. Appalling unaccountability beyond one person.

How can staff be allowed to spend $102,908 on soft drinks, packets of chips, milk, chocolate biscuits, bread and petrol for personal use?

How can one person be able to draw cash cheques for $104,800 supposedly for topping up parking machines but can’t be accounted for?

How can someone buy a $7333.33 trail bike that never appears on the Council asset register nor is registered by the council?

How can a non-Council employee (name redacted) get a ticket using a Council car in 2007 and nothing being done about it,, be regularly observed by staff using Council vehicles and have the use of a Council for the six months up until this all blew up in May this year and had Council pay $3000 for repairs plus petrol for it?

This was CitiFleece and an incompetently lax and unaccountable Council.

Details and links: Dunedin Citifleece report confirms gobsmacking laxity
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December 20, 2014 8:12am
hj

The mass media have long been seen as an important mechanism in constructing and
brokering relations between host and immigrant minorities. Their role has typically been
portrayed as endorsing, if not, initiating racist imagery. New Zealand significantly
altered its recruitment of immigrants in terms of source countries in 1986Á87. The
resulting superdiversity presents new challenges for the mainstream media. In the early
phase of this recently enhanced cultural diversity, the mass media (here represented by
the print media) contributed to a publically articulated racialisation. However, the
growing engagement (embeddedness) of the media workers in the reality of this enhanced
diversity was subsequently reflected in more nuanced and sympathetic reporting after
2000, thereby confounding classic approaches which stress the misrepresentation and
underrepresentation of immigrants by the mass media. There remain important
exceptions to this shift towards a broadly sympathetic representation of immigrants by
the media; there is evidence of ongoing racist ‘Othering’ in news reporting and by
particular journalists.* This paper argues that there is evidence of a recent and partial
transformation in the nature of media discourses concerning immigrants and
immigration in New Zealand.

After 1997, and certainly since 2000, opinion and feature writers
adopted a very different approach, prompted in part by a major downturn in Asian
immigration and a greater appreciation of at least the economic benefits of
immigration but also as a result of a growing awareness amongst journalists that
they had a role to play in explaining (positively) the complex issues of immigration.

Reporting Superdiversity. The
Mass Media and Immigration
in New Zealand
http://newsettlers.massey.ac.nz/publications_pdfs/JIS%20Spoonley%20and%20Butcher.pdf

* we know who you are, who you work for, who your boss is
look what happened to Clydesdale
*positively – objectively? with balance? .. no one must assume immigration / multiculturalism is an advanced state of society (it’s our baby)
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December 20, 2014 8:16am
IGM

Why is it Fairfax can run a large article reporting Union Andy has posting 450 Christmas cards, yet not a mention of the scumbag 17-year-old from Otaki that severely beat two 90-year-olds. Is it a left-wing racial thing, or what Union Andy has ordered from his union plebs, attempting to gain some traction?
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December 20, 2014 8:22am
Keeping Stock

The NZ cricket selectors now have a dilemma, but it’s a good one. It’s not who to pick, but who to leave out.

My starting XI for the Cricket World Cup (in batting order) is:

Guptill, Devcich, Williamson, Taylor, B McCullum, Anderson, Ronchi, Vettori, Southee, Mills, Milne

Also in the squad of 15 are Latham, N McCullum, McClenaghan and Henry

Unlucky to miss out are Neesham, Brownlie and Boult, but injuries between now and February could yet see them back in contention.

Anyone care to critique?
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December 20, 2014 8:24am
Kea

Pete George (23,794 comments) says:
December 20th, 2014 at 8:12 am
The fraud being investigated at Dunedin City Council is appalling.

Look out Penny, you have competition 😉
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December 20, 2014 8:26am
IGM

KS: Guptill.
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December 20, 2014 8:27am
Odakyu-sen

“Being fat is a disability, EU judges have ruled, meaning that European companies must offer obese staff bigger chairs, special parking spaces and a lighter workload.”
Reference: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11376990

The law is an ass…

… dat ass!
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December 20, 2014 8:36am
Nukuleka

Stuff has a sad story this morning about a Christchurch couple whose uninsured home was wrecked during the Canterbury earthquake, and who have been living in a caravan on the front lawn ever since. According to the story they were unable to afford the cost of the insurance. However, the reporter breathlessly tells us, they now miss being able to swathe their house in Christmas lights as they did pre-earthquake.

Um… so they were unable to afford home insurance but could afford the expensive power bills associated with swathing their home in Christmas lights. But we mustn’t let minor details such as this spoil a good story! Who would want to be a Grinch at Christmas?

Of course, there is far more to this couple’s situation than we are being told, but at least, for once, Stuff isn’t using the situation to beat John Key or Gerry Brownlee about the head.
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December 20, 2014 8:37am
oldpark

“I’ ll ride with you”,in a taxi, to the airport, to make sure you get a plane back to IRAN. Perhaps that was what the so called good samaritan was saying to her train passenger. That was when the Sydney hostage drama, was at its zenith.
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December 20, 2014 8:38am
jp_1983

Why is it Fairfax can run a large article reporting Union Andy has posting 450 Christmas cards, yet not a mention of the scumbag 17-year-old from Otaki that severely beat two 90-year-olds. Is it a left-wing racial thing, or what Union Andy has ordered from his union plebs, attempting to gain some traction?

Hohepa Wallace, is his name

He had his day in court yesterday, when he stood in the dock members from the gallery told him to ‘stay strong’ and ‘ I love you.’ etc..

Remanded in to custody till next year.

I would provide a link but I heard this on ZB yesterday about 5pm
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December 20, 2014 8:39am
mikenmild

IGM
It’s raining here in the Hutt, so I’m thinking of going into the office instead of doing the garden. Do you approve?
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December 20, 2014 8:40am
Pete George

KS – have you heard how Devcich’s shoulder is? It looked like it could be serious.
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December 20, 2014 8:40am
hj

New Zealand Federation of Multicultural Councils Inc.
New Zealand General Election 2014
Multicultural New Zealand Policy Proposals

One aspect of New Zealand’s increasing cultural diversity is the growth of multilingualism in a previously mainly monolingual society. The value of linguistic diversity has been noted in relation to identity, educational achievement, communication and international connectedness. The Government has properly invested in the maintenance and development of te reo Māori, and more recently
adopted a Pacific Languages Framework. It has also recognised New Zealand Sign Language as an official language and invested significantly in English language tuition. There is no official policy on ethnic community languages, no framework for their maintenance and development, and no government agency responsible for the
development of a policy and framework. The United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination in 2013 expressed concern at the “inadequate funding to support the preservation of community languages” and called on the
Government to “take specific measures aimed at preserving community languages and ensuring that adequate funding is allocated for such programmes.”
The Royal Society of New Zealand, in an information paper, Languages in Aotearoa New Zealand, published in 2013, called for the development of a national languages policy, saying “New Zealand is home to a very diverse society and linguistic environment, and this diversity is only expected to increase in the future.
The role of languages is already significant in New Zealand and will become more so. Understanding the profound impacts from transitioning to a multilingual country will be important if we are to succeed culturally, socially and economically. Substantial cultural and social issues will relate to the development and maintenance of te reo
Māori and the recognition of the pervasive use of languages additional to English in New Zealand. Developing high levels of multi- literacies for all New Zealanders will be crucial if we are to utilise the latent skill base of our society in order to prosper and flourish.”

http://www.nzfmc.org.nz/assets/Multicultural-NZ-Election-Policy-Proposal.pdf
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December 20, 2014 8:46am
Keeping Stock

@ Pete – apparently, he’s been sent off for further diagnosis, so it might not be a dislocation. He Certainly did everything right when it happened, including using his shirt as a sling, so I’d say it’s happened before.

I’ve chosen Devcich to give us a LH/RH opening combination, and his left arm slows are a useful extra bowling option to have up the sleeve. His selection gives more flexibility than McCullum opening, and someone like Latham coming in at #5.
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December 20, 2014 8:46am
IGM

milkwimp: Yeh that would be par for the course, a leftie public servant can’t go out in the rain. I thought State house dwellers had gardeners supplied by hard-working taxpayers.
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December 20, 2014 8:46am
mikenmild

It’s shaping up to be a cracker World Cup. Not the same vibe as 2011, of course, but people are starting to get excited.
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December 20, 2014 8:47am
mikenmild

That’s right IGM, I don’t garden in the rain. While it would be nice if Housing New Zealand came to mow my lawn, there are two problems with that. First, I’m not living in a state house. Second, Housing New Zealand doesn’t mow lawns for its tenants.
I’ve decided not to go into work after all. I was only going because I had some personal photocopying to do, but it can keep until Monday.
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December 20, 2014 8:50am
Kea

Odakyu-sen, this is designed to make fat Western she-beasts feel better about themselves, by portraying their disgusting state as an illness they can claim victim status.
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December 20, 2014 8:52am
G152

So the ‘I’ll ride with you’ story was that.
Just a story from an academic.
Time those ivory towers were made responsible for the crap they spout
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December 20, 2014 8:57am
hj

Multiculturalisms goal is that different cultures come to NZ and erode the idea that this is your home. So they take down the pictures, put up their own and generally strut around confidently. The downside is that only certain groups get to reciprocate: academics through career advancement and people associated with the property sector (they can live wherever they want), the less well off aren’t queuing to migrate to India or China or the Philipines.
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December 20, 2014 8:57am
flipper

Keeping Stock (9,374 comments) says:

December 20th, 2014 at 8:24 am

The NZ cricket selectors now have a dilemma, but it’s a good one. It’s not who to pick, but who to leave out.

My starting XI for the Cricket World Cup (in batting order) is:

Guptill, Devcich, Williamson, Taylor, B McCullum, Anderson, Ronchi, Vettori, Southee, Mills, Milne

Also in the squad of 15 are Latham, N McCullum, McClenaghan and Henry……

****
Not bad, but needs fixing 🙂

Guptill, ~~Devcich,~~ Ryder, Williamson, Taylor, B McCullum, Anderson, Ronchi, Vettori, Southee, ~~Mills~~, McClenaghan, Milne

Also in the squad of 15 are, Latham, N McCullum, Mills and Henry

There U are KS. Fixed.
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December 20, 2014 8:59am
Jack5

Have the police made any progress yet on busting the cyber-criminal, Rawshark?

Hell! You don’t think he’s a North Korean, do you?

If Hager the Horrible is invited to Pyongyang that will be confirmation.

Perhaps Hager will get a Christmas card from Kim Jong-un.
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December 20, 2014 8:59am
RF

JP_1893. 8.39am

With a name like Hohepa you do not have to be a brain surgeon who work out his ethnicity.

Another of our fine Kiwi youths who is destined to increase the Maori inmate population stats. Why do we accept this crap.
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December 20, 2014 8:59am
OneTrack

IGM – ” “Developing high levels of multi- literacies for all New Zealanders will be crucial if we are to utilise the latent skill base of our society in order to prosper and flourish.” ”

Well, we all know that you need to be able to speak multiple languages so you can operate a lathe, or a crane, or a …
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December 20, 2014 8:59am
OneTrack

Pete – “How can …..”

Easy, it’s just socialists and OPM. You don’t need proper accounting processes because, when they run out of money, they can just put the rates up and get more.

Always more money where that came from.
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December 20, 2014 9:04am
mikenmild

flipper
Ryder ruled himself out, again, by his inability to control his behaviour.
I think KS has the squad about right.
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December 20, 2014 9:06am
Keeping Stock

@ flipper – forget Ryder. He’s not in the first squad of 30, and he’s made his feelings towards New Zealand cricket pretty obvious. Let him go and chase the big dollars on offer elsewhere, and good luck to him.
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December 20, 2014 9:08am
flipper

Nah..
Doesn’t matter milky and KS.
Ryder should be carried kicking and screaming into the game. – probably over Hesson’s body.
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December 20, 2014 9:10am
OneTrack

hj – “Multiculturalisms goal is that different cultures come to NZ and erode the idea that this is your home.”

Kiwi culture is just an artifact of the white colonialist invasion and must be corrected.

Coffee coloured peope by the score. Won’t it be lovely?
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December 20, 2014 9:10am
hj

I remember (as a kid) Classic Comics had a story about the inventor of Esperanto . “speak Polish or I won’t sell to you” (etc) as he gazed out his window. ‘Seems the cultural Marxists got in first?
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December 20, 2014 9:11am
Maggy Wassilieff

I can’t understand why it is taking so long for the Peter Ellis case to be independently reviewed.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/64348591/peter-ellis-inquiry-bid-led-by-don-brash
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December 20, 2014 9:12am
OneTrack

RF – “Another of our fine Kiwi youths who is destined to increase the Maori inmate population stats. Why do we accept this crap.”

Because he’s a “good boy”, really?
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December 20, 2014 9:14am
hj

Multiculturalism
It is disgusting that the government should play their game

Distinguished Professor Paul Spoonley, Pro Vice-Chancellor for the College of Humanities and Social Sciences, says with $5.5m in funding from the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE) for the Waikato and Massey project on diversity in New Zealand (Capturing the Diversity Dividend, or CaDDANZ), an opportunity has arisen for Auckland to become the fourth city in the global study.

http://www.massey.ac.nz/massey/about-massey/news/article.cfm?mnarticle=super-diverse-auckland-in-glob

is this serious research? Do they consider evolutionary psychology? The role of oxytocin? Common sense? Population issues?
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December 20, 2014 9:16am
Odakyu-sen

Kea,

Victim status? Ya think?

I think this whole “victim status” is linked to the notion of Locus of Control (Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_of_control)

Excerpt: “People with an external locus of control tend to believe that the things which happen in their lives are out of their control, and even that their own actions are a result of external factors, such as fate, luck, the influence of powerful others (such as doctors, the police, or government officials) and/or a belief that the world is too complex for one to predict or successfully control its outcomes. Such people tend to blame others rather than themselves for their lives’ outcomes.”

Conclusion: I believe that a totalitarian-leaning political system will encourage its citizens to have an external locus of control. This is supported by the creation of rules and regulations which reward and encourage the “victim mentality.”

Comments, anyone?
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December 20, 2014 9:17am
hj

The best bit in the first post was

As Jacobs herself admitted, she didn’t know if the woman was actually Muslim. Nor did she know if she was reading about the hostage situation. Nor even if the woman simply removed her headscarf because it was hot or just because she felt like it. As “no words were exchanged,” the woman most likely thought than an unstable and bizarre stranger was accosting her while she was trying to get home.

Of course, this assumes that the encounter actually happened–which it probably didn’t.

etc
http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2014/12/18/the-hate-in-a-hashtag
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December 20, 2014 9:22am
minus

Jack5 – Have the police made any progress yet on busting the cyber criminal, Rawshark?

Hager now claims there is material, amongst what Police seized, that relates to work he was doing on police corruption, raising the question of who may now legitimately look at the documents the courts hold – as well as indicating how slopey Hager is with source material. This could drag through to March at least.

Slater however claims to know who Rawshark is, how much he was paid and by whom, so nothing stops Police from checking out that information.
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December 20, 2014 9:24am
Keeping Stock

@ flipper – Ryder going out on the piss the night before the Auckland test against India was the final straw for me. Sure, he hadn’t been selected in the playing XI. But until the toss, he could still have been called in had Ross Taylor’s wife gone into Labour, or had someone tweaked a muscle during warm-ups or come down with a bug overnight.

Not only was it grossly irresponsible conduct on Ryder’s part, but it was openly disrespectful towards his team-mates and the management. Ryder put his own wants/needs ahead of those of the team, and frankly, I don’t want someone like that in a team in a crunch match.
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December 20, 2014 9:24am
mikenmild

I’m pretty sure his former team mates don’t want him.
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December 20, 2014 9:27am
kowtow

odyaku

The fat bastard case involved a male Dane.

The troll kea throws in the anti woman line because she knows they attract up ticks.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2878792/Obesity-DISABILITY-rules-highest-EU-court-25st-Danish-childminder-sacked-fat-perform-job-properly.html
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December 20, 2014 9:27am
Pete George

If Dunedin City Council applied as much draconian rigidity to their internal processes as they do to obtaining business and property resource consents then the fraudster would still be trying to defeat the red tape.
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December 20, 2014 9:34am
holysheet

Milky
I was only going because I had some personal photocopying to do, but it can keep until Monday.

Why do you think its okay to do personal stuff on my and all the other taxpayers copier? would you have put your attendance down as overtime, being a saturday?
You and the woman from the stuff story have the same sense of entitlement that the taxpayer can pay for it

Bludgers both of you.
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December 20, 2014 9:38am
Sidey

Holysheet,,
I’m pretty sure Mikenmild is taking the piss to see who’s going to bite. You win.
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December 20, 2014 9:44am
Keeping Stock

What Sidey said; mikenmild caught himself a fish 😀
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December 20, 2014 9:47am
mikenmild

It’s my policy to only work on the weekend in actual emergencies. Doing my photocopying doesn’t count and I’ve just realised my new printer at home does copying too.
Sometimes I can see why Kea enjoys trolling so much.
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December 20, 2014 9:56am
Reid

One of the characteristic traits of the Asian mind in the same league and probably related to their well known penchant for “face,” is to put their own comfort and well-being above that of others and so long as they are OK in that regard, everyone else can just go to hell.

It’s of course not politically correct to make that observation but who cares, if it’s true it’s true. And it is true. It’s why for example they tolerate such disparity in their societies, whereby you have many thousands if not millions living in utter poverty which continues generation after generation. And unlike the bullshit NZ variety of poverty, this is real, actual poverty, of living on rubbish dumps and so forth. And you can observe this common factor operating across every single Asian country.

It’s the reason why things like this happen and are starting to be reported, but the interesting thing will be what happens when the idiot media realise that this is why they do this and stops reporting on like incidents, simply because the media morons hallucinate that were our western society as a whole were to recognise this trait why al of us would all of a sudden turn into ranting rednecks and start steweotyping all over the place and what an gwave and twagic injustice that would be.

I bet that’s what happens, in years to come.

Sometimes I don’t know whether to laugh or cry, at the number of morons we’ve got in this country. Especially the ones who are paid to inform us.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/64322459/passengers-in-midair-brawl-over-crying-baby
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December 20, 2014 10:13am
Kimbo

@ flipper

Not bad, but needs fixing 🙂

…Ryder…

Yeah, and the All Blacks would be improved by recalling Keith Murdoch.
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December 20, 2014 10:22am
mikenmild

Is this attitude to poverty unique to Asians, Reid, or does your discernment allow you to detect similar flaws in other races too?
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December 20, 2014 10:25am
Nookin

Star performance by mikenmild. Not quite so stellar of those who fell hook line and sinker.

KS
I saw an interview with BJ Watling at the time Ryder’s return was under serious consideration. His demeanour suggested that Ryder’s return would be as palable as a cup of cold sick.
A huge talent but internally conflicted and unreliable. It is difficult to condemn him. We know he loves batting. It is the one thing he can do better than most. I imagine his demons are tearing him apart.
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December 20, 2014 10:25am
Kimbo

@ flipper

Ryder should be carried kicking and screaming into the game. – probably over Hesson’s body.

It’s not just Hesson. It includes the rest of the team.

Let it go, flipper. Ryder is likely losing little sleep over it. He’s where he wants to be.

Like Keith Murdoch whom I mentioned above, a naturally gifted athlete but not psychologically or emotionally suited to the pressures and high profile of international sports. That’s not a sentence against him to say he is not in all likelihood a good bloke. All of us have our weaknesses. Mine and likely yours is we can’t bat. bowl or field for shit. Off the field is Jesse’s.
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December 20, 2014 10:29am
Reid

This is one of the aspect of the Westminster system that’s always pissed me off: political appointments to diplomatic postings.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11377028

Personally I think the practice should be banned outright, No more, ever, anywhere. Career diplomats, 100%, no exceptions.

There are many reasons I feel like this, but one of them is that if politicians really do get into the game because they want to serve the rest of us, then why don’t the rest of us hold them to their word, and make it so that after they stop their selfless dedication of pure altruism compensated only by the mere pittance we taxpayers provide for them in their salaries, that’s it, period. Thanks, see ya later.

But no. Apparently, their altruism is never-ending and must continue. And we don’t even get a say.
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December 20, 2014 10:32am
Reid

Is this attitude to poverty unique to Asians, Reid

I wasn’t talking about their attitude to poverty mm, I was using it as an example of a wider trait.

So since you apparently didn’t understand the point I was making, why would I trouble myself to address your idiotic question?
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December 20, 2014 10:34am
wikiriwhis business

Aggrieved workers lay wage complaints

Wage-docking is an illegal practice, which breaches the two wage acts.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/64343382/aggrieved-workers-lay-wage-complaints

Another case of right wing employers persecuting workers as with right wing big business avoiding taxes.

Huge hypocrisy when you right wingers cry out for people to get jobs
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December 20, 2014 10:35am
wikiriwhis business

Reid…the Westminster system is being dealt with. Key is taking us away from that and Magna carta. No due process, no habeus Corpus. Detention without trial.

Certainly fills the description of a smiling assassin with no doubts whatsoever.
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December 20, 2014 10:37am
Odakyu-sen

Reid,

You may be looking at things from a Kiwi perspective.

Many Japanese in their adult years suffer from an extraordinary paucity of free time. A typical salaried male is devoted to (holding on to) his job, and has very little spare time. What little time he has on the weekend is taken up with family obligations. Housewives too have endless queue of sub-routines and duties to perform.

By comparison, New Zealand is a free-time superpower. (No?)

Like ducks (calm on the topside but paddling frantically below) it is a full-time effort to keep up appearances. And with no government safety net, it’s every family for itself. It’s not so much callousness towards people less well-off in society. It’s more a case of us being full-time flat-out just to keep our heads above water and to hold our families together. Remember, Japan has been in recession for over 20 years, and an entire generation has no experience in the boom times of the late 1980s. Moreover, the dark clouds of childlessness and an aging population are massing on the horizon. Japan is in for a very rough time for the next 30 years while the pig travels through the python.

I will not live to see the sun rise again, although I may get a glimpse of the light at the end of the tunnel from time to time.
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December 20, 2014 10:38am
Manolo

Love in Turkish Muslim politics: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30552148
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December 20, 2014 10:40am
mikenmild

Sorry Reid, but you gave poverty as an example of some hypothetical Asians who ‘put their own comfort and well-being above that of others’. I was interested to see if you thought the same consideration applied to Europeans or Africans, or do they harbour other ‘characteristic traits’?
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December 20, 2014 10:40am
Kimbo

@ Reid

I wasn’t talking about their attitude to poverty mm, I was using it as an example of a wider trait.

So since you apparently didn’t understand the point I was making, why would I trouble myself to address your idiotic question?

Hmm, I’ll bite. I think I have discerned the essential point you are making, Reid.

One of the characteristic traits of the Asian mind in the same league and probably related to their well known penchant for “face,” is to put their own comfort and well-being above that of others and so long as they are OK in that regard, everyone else can just go to hell.

As summed up by a famous Eastern philosopher who observed…

“It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages”?
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December 20, 2014 10:41am
Inandout

kia kaha Hohepa Wallace, youse are a good boy really. Those pensioners are living on land stolen from you many moons ago and you must reclaim your mana by giving them the bash and taking back ‘your’ property.
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December 20, 2014 10:45am
wikiriwhis business

“We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.”?

Exactly why I have come to the conclusion eccentrics are nothing more than self obsessed narrcissists.

Having experienced them and reading of them their whole philosophy is my way or the highway.

100% deluded by their vain imaginations I have not yet seen an eccentric prosper and finish successfully.

They are so involved in themselves they know not the wisdom of paying attention. Micro managers with no ears.
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December 20, 2014 10:50am
Reid

To those who’ve responded to my post above on Asian mindset, just to let you I don’t intend to engage in discussion on it. I was just playing with mm.

The reason is it’s a very basic observation that those who understand human nature and human societies will already know and if you yourselves don’t already know it, it means simply that either you haven’t yet bothered to think about it, or you don’t understand human nature or human societies. One of the two. And if the latter is the case, then no amount of further explication is going to inform you. One of the Seven Sages of Ancient Greece, Thales of Miletus had engraved on his headstone the aphorism “Know Thyself.” As a hint to mm, doing so is the first keystone along the path toward achieving discernment. As another hint to mm, you’ve got a long way to go mate.

Anyway, here’s something interesting:

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1149292-6-advanced-ancient-inventions-beyond-modern-understanding/
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December 20, 2014 10:56am
ross411

From here..

A High Court judge has delivered a powerful speech on the state of youth culture at the sentencing of a teenager accused of videoing an intimate sexual moment.
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The 19-year-old and his friend, both from New Plymouth, were found not guilty by a jury trial earlier this month for rape, sexual violation and indecent assault following a sexual encounter at a party in Oakura last year.
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He ruled the defendant’s conviction would be quashed if he made a speech about his experience to two New Plymouth high schools and completed a programme with Wellstop, an organisation that aims to stop sexual abuse
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“My husband and I will have to try to shut out the images of our daughter lying flat on her back, fully clothed with her pants pulled to the side saying, ‘stop’, ‘no’ and ‘I’m trying not to get raped’.

“You are our very own Taranaki Roast Buster.”

Justice Collins will decide in March if the defendant has met the requirements to be discharged without conviction.

What a confusing article. If the judge is so scathing, then why is he even considering quashing the conviction? Seems like empty lip service to me.

If there was sufficient grounds for a conviction, then the conviction should stand. And he should be forced to do the rounds of schools explaining what he did, and how he got punished. Seeing someone go around, say look at me, I did this, and I get away with it does not seem like that much of a punishment.
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December 20, 2014 10:56am
Kimbo

@ wikiriwhis business

“We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.”?

Exactly why I have come to the conclusion eccentrics are nothing more than self obsessed narrcissists.

Having experienced them and reading of them their whole philosophy is my way or the highway.

100% deluded by their vain imaginations I have not yet seen an eccentric prosper and finish successfully.

They are so involved in themselves they know not the wisdom of paying attention. Micro managers with no ears.

Now, now, wiki.

The “Oriental sage” typical of the “Asian mind” that Reid has brought to our attention was not making the rules, but merely identifying the naturally occuring personal and corporate motivations of his people when they functioned as an economic community, both amongsthemselves, and towards “outsiders”…
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December 20, 2014 10:58am
publicwatchdog

Waikatogrrl – nobody is forcing you to read my considered opinions.

That is YOUR choice for which you need to take full personal responsibility.

FYI – it is over the Xmas break that I do substantive research upon which I base my ‘investigative activism’.

Having called into the Office of the Auditor-General (OAG), I now have some kilograms of OAG Reports on various matters,which I shall STUDY over Xmas.

I am particularly interested in the OAG’s latest audit report on Local Government.

What ‘systems’ audits does the OAG provide – if any?

I agree with Pete George about this Dunedin City Council latest fiasco.

What were the ‘systems’ faults that allowed this to happen?

That’s why I believe that ‘the books’ must be open, and every dollar of public money spent / borrowed/ invested should be available for public scrutiny.

How can you have transparency or accountability without proper written records?

Why is the LAW (Public Records Act 2005) not being implemented and enforced in a proper way?

Penny Bright
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December 20, 2014 11:00am
KevinH

@Odakyu-sen
Inbound tourism to New Zealand from Japan is increasing following Prime Minister Abe’s visit to New Zealand earlier this year. Those senior citizens are travelling further outside of Asia on short 5 day trips and present a valuable tourism resource to many New Zealand businesses. Also the student market of young people visiting New Zealand for a homestay experience is encouraging as well as the independent traveller coming here to visit attractions such as Hobbiton at Matamata.
Despite the economic woes of a flat economy that triggered the recent election, Japan is still the third largest economy in the world and New Zealand recognises that and works diligently to attract a percentage of the estimated 12 million Japanese travellers per annum. This does involve recognising the idiosyncrasies of that market, (saving face), should a problem occur that embarrasses those travellers. Japanese tourist provider JTB imposes strict itinerary conditions that impose penalty provisions should New Zealand tourist operators fail to perform thereby providing a mechanism that allows Japanese tourists to enjoy their visit to New Zealand.
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December 20, 2014 11:10am
Kimbo

To those who’ve responded to my post above on Asian mindset, just to let you I don’t intend to engage in discussion on it. I was just playing with mm.

The reason is it’s a very basic observation that those who understand human nature and human societies will already know and if you yourselves don’t already know it, it means simply that either you haven’t yet bothered to think about it, or you don’t understand human nature or human societies. One of the two. And if the latter is the case, then no amount of further explication is going to inform you. One of the Seven Sages of Ancient Greece, Thales of Miletus had engraved on his headstone the aphorism “Know Thyself.” As a hint to mm, doing so is the first keystone along the path toward achieving discernment. As another hint to mm, you’ve got a long way to go mate.

Question to those more familiar with all the regular kids around here: Does Reid usually take his bat and ball just as he is beginning to lose a game he started, with the excuse, “You guys are too dumb to play with!”?
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December 20, 2014 11:16am
Reid

FYI – it is over the Xmas break that I do substantive research upon which I base my ‘investigative activism’.

Yes Penny.

The rest of us can’t wait for your “revelations” in the coming year.

Tell me, if you’re so profoundly dumb as to failed to have discovered the – at the time most popular political NZ blog (Kiwiblog) – for all the long long long years that Hulun held the country in her execrable palm, then:

a) is it possible your “investigative research” suffers from a lack of accuracy due to its researcher being completely mental, and

b) is there any way we can foil the promulgation of said research by the simple expedient of getting DPF to simply change the url so you can’t find it for another ten or so years and if not, why not?

It’s just I think b) would probably be the most massively popular move in Kiwiblog history were it to prove effective, that’s all. And BTW, that’s not repeat not, because your “investigative research” is effective.
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December 20, 2014 11:22am
Reid

Question to those more familiar with all the regular kids around here: Does Reid usually take his bat and ball just as he is beginning to lose a game he started, with the excuse, “You guys are too dumb to play with!”?

Question to the same people. Do the people who disagree with me ever address the specific argument I raise? e.g. does that question address the point I was making that my observation on Asian people is a “basic observation that anyone who understands human nature would already know?” And if that’s the case in terms of what those people who disagree with me do, why should I respond to them?
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December 20, 2014 11:30am
waikatogirl

Kea, “she-beasts”!

There are a lot of fat bastards out there too!

But I do agree, get off her fat arse and stop winging that the hardworking taxpayers should keep her in tattoos and the Internet, etc 😉

Just been filling our $74 blow-up pool. 3rd year of use out of it. Connected alkaline pipe in the sun to warm the water. 26 in Hamilton later,boot already
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December 20, 2014 11:30am
SGA

Kimbo at 11:16 am

Question to those more familiar with the other kids around here: Does Reid usually take his bat and ball just as he beginning to lose, with the excuse, “You guys are too dumb to play with”?

Let’s say it’s not unusual. Also, Reid genuinely believes he’s been given a “gift” that allows him to see beyond most mere mortals, and often feels as though he’s trying to describe the colour “red” to those who are colour blind. At least that’s the impression I get.
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December 20, 2014 11:30am
Fletch

I see that the new film version of Annie is out, but with a black girl playing Annie. Saturday Night Live parodied it last month in a sketch –

http://www.gossipcop.com/black-annie-snl-sketch-video-saturday-night-live/

To be honest, I don’t understand the race swap. Annie is pretty much iconic – as iconic as Raggedy Ann, the little girl with the red hair. Why make her black? Just because they can? A fair bit of this goes on in movies based on comicbooks as well. In the comics, Nick Fury was always a cigar-chomping white guy with an eye patch. In the movie version of The Avengers, he is played by Samual L Jackson. The new Fantastic Four movie reportedly is also going to have an African American actor playing the Human Torch.

Now, personally, I don’t care what color an actor is as far as it concerns race, but I do mind established characters being race-swapped out for reasons of liberal “diversity’, which would seem to be the only reason to do it.

John Byrne, the famous comic book artist and writer has also addressed the issue –

The other night, on his “news” show, John Oliver made a passing (and snarky) comment about people who get upset when non-White actors are cast as FICTIONAL CHARACTERS, (emphasis his)

This earned an epic eye roll from me, of course, and sent my tired old brain rumbling down pathways that are, by now, all too familiar.

This time, tho, I found myself landing in a spot I had not visited before. Of course I object to race-swapping in movies (which is something very different from “colorblind casting”), and I wondered how far Oliver would be comfortable going with his contempt for those who share my views. If, for instance, there was a remake of GONE WITH THE WIND, would it be perfectly acceptable to cast Will Smith as Rhett Butler?

It is currently a fad in Hollywood — bordering on a fetish, it sometimes seems — to swap out White characters for other races and ethnicities. And I am frankly amazed that the Black community is not outraged by this patronizing modern version of blackface. Where are the roles created FOR Black actors? Why should Will Smith, Samuel L. Jackson, Halle Berry, etc, have to settle for table scraps?

White guys don’t think they’re being racist when they turn a White character Black, or Asian, or anything other than White, but they are. What many fail to understand is that distinguishing an individual (fictional or otherwise) purely on the basis of race is racist.Looking at a cast of characters and asking “Which one can we make Black?” turns being Black into nothing more than skin color. There is no consideration of the very different experiences Black people have in this country, and, indeed, in the World.If we took a story written by a Black African, set in Africa, about Africans, and arbitrarily turned one of the characters White, there would be (justifiable) outrage. The valid point would be made that we cannot simply “whitewash” a Black character and end up with the same person, the same dynamic, the same presence in the story.

How is it any different to take a White character and paint him/her Black? Nick Fury, to cite but one example, had to turn into a different character when he was painted Black. Why not MAKE him a different character? Give him is own identity, instead of one handed down from on high by White folk? Make him Gabe Jones, or Gabe Jones Jr, or Gabe Jones III, if you want to tie into existing continuity. As the “Everything That’s Wrong With…” site so aptly points out, Fury in the Marvel Movies has no depth at all. He is defined entirely by the eyepatch.And Samuel L. Jackson is okay with this?

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/06/17/john-byrne-the-fantastic-four-and-racebending-in-casting/

All very good points.
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December 20, 2014 11:39am
Kimbo

@ Fletch

Nick Fury was always a cigar-chomping white guy with an eye patch. In the movie version of The Avengers, he is played by Samual L Jackson.

Only a very brave or foolish man would tell Samuel L Jackson to his face he only got the part because he is an affirimative action “token”! 🙂

http://www.cracked.com/article_18905_11-celebrities-who-were-secretly-total-badasses.html
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December 20, 2014 11:45am
Reid

Also, Reid genuinely believes he’s been given a “gift” that allows him to see beyond most mere mortals

Everyone has gifts from God SGA. Everyone. The only distinction is: some of us know that in the first place, some of know what ours are, some of us specialise in teaching others about them, some of us aren’t interested and some of us don’t believe it could possibli be the case.

If you want to know what yours are, then start by asking yourself what interests you. What do you do for hobbies in your spare time, what do you spend time thinking about, what have been your lifelong fascinations?

And that’s all I’ve done, it’s not special, it’s not unusual, millions of others do it, many non-religious people do it as well as religious people. It’s just the religious people are often conscious of the root causes of their fascinations with the things they’ve been gifted with and the non-religious just do it because they happen to enjoy it and they obtain life satisfaction out of exercising it.

All you have to do is google Christian gifts and it’ll tell you all about them. But what’s the bet even when people critique what I’ve just said, they haven’t even troubled themselves to even do that basic thing and they continue to hallucinate it’s just a figment of what they see as my arrogant personality? Well to those people I say: who gives a shit? I mean, you’re like a ten year old who asks how a rainbow works and then when light refraction is explained they don’t want to listen.
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December 20, 2014 11:47am
waikatogirl

ross: If there was sufficient grounds for a conviction, then the conviction should stand. And he should be forced to do the rounds of schools explaining what he did, and how he got punished. Seeing someone go around, say look at me, I did this, and I get away with it does not seem like that much of a punishment

… And not a good message to send to impressionable young school boys who look up to older boys. He got away with it, what a hero. The judge may have misread the lesson they could learn
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December 20, 2014 11:48am
Keeping Stock

@ Nookin and Kimbo – you’ve both nailed Ryder’s Achilles heel.

I remember a few years back Joseph Romanos wrote an unauthorised biography on Martin Crowe entitled Tortured Genius. In terms of the conflict between talent in spades and a temperament totally unsuited to the pressure that comes with being an international sportsman, that title described Ryder perfectly.

I wish him well in the IPL and wherever else he plies his trade, and hope he sets himself up for the future. Whilst it would be great to have him playing for New Zealand, let’s just accept that isn’t going to happen, and move on. We have plenty of talent to fill the space he leaves vacant.
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December 20, 2014 11:49am
publicwatchdog

Has any of your work ANONYMOUS/GUTLESS ‘Reid’ resulted in any savings to citizens and ratepayers?

The evidence I provided to the Local Government and Environment Select Committee back in 2007, to support a petition for which I was the initiating petitioner, which resulted in a Select Committee Inquiry into the rort of Metrowater ‘charitable payments’, got this practice (eventually) stopped.

Auckland City Council had planned to raise $320 million over 10 years, through this mechanism whereby Metrowater would increase ‘user’ charges for water and waste water, then the Council would take profits in the form of ‘charitable payments’ and use this money to subsidise rates.

This Parliamentary Select Committee Inquiry helped to STOP this practice.

Do tell us all ‘Reid’ what YOU have ever done which has similarly served the public or the public interest?

When did YOU ‘Reid’ last get a successful Parliamentary Inquiry into ANY matter?

Put up or shut up?

(Meant of course in a caring ‘Christmassy’ way 🙂

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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December 20, 2014 11:49am
Fletch

I notice there is no more One News at Midday until next year now (usually a month or more), as all the newsreaders have presumably gone on holiday. As I have asked in the past, does this happen in any other country? Why not give some young up-and-coming newsreaders a chance if the established team must go on a holiday break?

Perhaps the Old Guard are worried about job security if the young ones turn out to be very good.
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December 20, 2014 11:54am
publicwatchdog

Thank you Waikato grrl for wishing me a Merry Xmas’.

Same to you.

I have a great family, whose company I really enjoy, so I will indeed have a ‘Merry Xmas’.

All the best,

Kind regards

Penny Bright
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December 20, 2014 11:56am
Redbaiter

It is currently a fad in Hollywood — bordering on a fetish, it sometimes seems — to swap out White characters for other races and ethnicities.

I have said on here before that the white race is under attack

Its a fact as plain as the nose on your face.

But the white race is so confused due to their lame submission to Marxist indoctrination, they will never admit that salient and inescapable fact.

They’ll regret it when the tables have turned, and people like Tessa Kum have the upper hand-

I’m learning about hate because I am coming to hate you, white person. You have all the control, all the power, all the privilege, and there is nothing holding you accountable. I hate the double standards and hypocrisy you display, the rank dishonesty of your conduct. I hate that you can harm us, when we cannot harm you.

We have also frequently seen the same kind of hate from actual users of this blog. The commenter Black with a Vengance frequently posts examples of anti-white racism on this forum and suffers virtually no sanctions. His hate filled smears are treated with quiet submission.

Or here’s the stuff that was posted by Shawn Herles the other day when his anti-white propaganda about the treatment of the Cherokee tribe was challenged.

that would be the white supremacy filth you promote and the mentally retarded crap about how wonderful the slaughter and murder of Native Americans was.

The thing that amazes me is that white people submit to this kind of hate and these kind of smears, when if any white person was seen on here writing the same kind of stuff about a coloured race, all hell would break loose.

Those people who would complain need to ask themselves, why does this inconsistency exist in our society?
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December 20, 2014 11:57am
waikatogirl

Penny, Wow! you have such an exciting life, all that ‘research’ to do over the Christmas break. Take a well deserved break. Doesn’t your brain hurt sometimes?

Have a glass or two of bubbly over Christmas, a few strawberries, some friendly chats with friends and family, and put a smile on your face. That’s what the rest of Kiwi land will be doing.

Said in a caring way, of course. 🙂

Oh, and I agree with you about Dunedin CC.
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December 20, 2014 11:57am
Kimbo

@ Fletch

I notice there is no more One News at Midday until next year now (usually a month or more), as all the newsreaders have presumably gone on holiday. As I have asked in the past, does this happen in any other country? Why not give some young up-and-coming newsreaders a chance if the established team must go on a holiday break?

Perhaps the Old Guard are worried about job security if the young ones turn out to be very good.

Yeah, but how much of a challenge is it to present the only four stories that are going to run over the period:

Road toll – we should do better as a country

Drownings – we should do better as a country

Campers and other holiday makers rained out in the Far North and Coromandel

Police break up New Years gatherings that got out of control at Mount Maunganui.

Mind you if that rumour of QEII stepping down on Christmas Day (Don’t do it ma’am!) comes to pass, there will be some scrambling behind the scenes…
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December 20, 2014 12:00pm
Pete George

a “basic observation that anyone who understands human nature would already know?”

Reid you often describe your what you perceive as what ‘anyone who understands’ or ‘everyone’ and that anyone who doesn’t get it is an imbecile. You claim an infallible opinion when it’s just your slant on things that can be interpreted or believed in different ways.

It often comes across as sneering down with intolerance at anyone with a different opinion. That’s not a great gift to have.
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December 20, 2014 12:01pm
Shawn Herles

Penny,

get up on the wrong side of bed today?

Many people besides yourself do things behind the scenes to help their communities. You may well see everything you do as uber-important, but some of us will still question or critique what you do on the basis of your political views.

You yourself have said that you post on KB to test your ideas, so getting upset when they and what you do are questioned seems to contradict that. Yes you are going to get some silly and/or abusive responses, but this is a blog, so that is to be expected by all of us.

Either way, please do not assume that we do not care about issues with regards to local bodies or spending. It is more likely that we do, but just do not agree with your particular understandings, especially on issues like private sector contracts.

And please do not assume that you alone are working for the betterment of our communities merely because we don’t do the things you do. That kind of arrogance and sense of self-importance is not going to endear anyone to your views.
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December 20, 2014 12:01pm
Redbaiter

It often comes across as sneering down with intolerance at anyone with a different opinion. That’s not a great gift to have.

Ha ha, that’s funny. The sneer is your most frequently used weapon Pete, after misrepresentation that is.
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December 20, 2014 12:04pm
waikatogirl

The woman found injured in the house with 8 dead children has been formally charged with murder. Several knives were found in the house. One of the dead was her niece. The others her own children. An older son found the deadly scene when he called in.

I did see the mother on TV on a stretcher, she looked like an Islander, but it was just a quick look.
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December 20, 2014 12:04pm
Fletch

I did see the mother on TV on a stretcher, she looked like an Islander, but it was just a quick look.

Yeh, I kind of thought she looked a bit like an Aborigine.
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December 20, 2014 12:09pm
backster

When the scumbag offends again as he will in the near future, he will be treated as a first offender and may even be discharged without conviction again if his legal aid lawyer can lie sympathetically and once again the judge will ignore the misery of the victim and any responsibility for the criminal she has helped create.

Fetch……..Torres Islander I understand.
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December 20, 2014 12:11pm
Shawn Herles

Reid, given our recent agreement, please take this question in the spirit of that, and not at all as any kind of negative comment, or personal attack. I am asking a question with no ill intent.

Are you saying that your view that you can discern behavior patterns and attitudes in other races is a gift from God?

And if so, where is that gift mentioned in the New Testament?
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December 20, 2014 12:12pm
Reid

The evidence I provided to the Local Government and Environment Select Committee back in 2007, to support a petition for which I was the initiating petitioner, which resulted in a Select Committee Inquiry into the rort of Metrowater ‘charitable payments’, got this practice (eventually) stopped.

Auckland City Council had planned to raise $320 million over 10 years, through this mechanism whereby Metrowater would increase ‘user’ charges for water and waste water, then the Council would take profits in the form of ‘charitable payments’ and use this money to subsidise rates.

This Parliamentary Select Committee Inquiry helped to STOP this practice.

So help me understand Penny.

You’re proud you stopped a practice whereby people’s rates were reduced and you think this was a rort.

Is this because you don’t pay rates yourself and you were jealous of the discounts everyone else was getting so you decided to stop them, or was there some other reason?

Regardless of your motives, fact is, it appears, that even though you yourself CHOOSE not to pay your own rates thus forcing everyone else to carry your burden like the classic bludger of yore, therefore you yourself weren’t affected in the least, either way, by this “rort.” Nevertheless, like some neighing riderless donkey charging at windmills just like Sancho Panza, you decide to stick your idiot oar in and destroy the discounts other people used to get.

Tell me where this is wrong Penny.

Braying galloping mentalism at full roar is my diagnosis on this one. Sorry, but you’re the one who raised it.
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December 20, 2014 12:14pm
Kimbo

@ Fletch

Yeh, I kind of thought she looked a bit like an Aborigine.

Torres Strait Islander:

Neighbours reported hearing a woman screaming in a mixture of English and Torres Strait Creole, a native language of islanders….

Ms Warria’s cousin Lisa Thaiday said the children were all members of a close-knit Torres Strait family.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/children-stabbed-to-death-in-cairns-tragedy-mother-in-hospital-with-serious-injuries-is-a-person-of-interest/story-fni0cx12-1227162565025?nk=1aaef1fc25699a53fec57e9f77723f51
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December 20, 2014 12:17pm
Reid

Are you saying that your view that you can discern behavior patterns and attitudes in other races is a gift from God?

No of course I’m not Shawn, why don’t you read the conversation to find out what I said, and what mm said in response to that.

mm has a hallucination that because I’ve previously explained I do in fact have the Christian gift of discernment, that to mm, this means I am therefore claiming I am particularly discerning in every little thing in general.

You and I of course know that the gift of discernment relates specifically to the gifted ability to discern spiritual machinations in the physical world, but I haven’t previously bothered to explain that distinction to mm, since he firstly wouldn’t understand the distinction in the first place and in the second place would misinterpret what I was attempting to explain and go off on some tangent or other believing in his delusion that I was trying somehow to wriggle out of something I’d previously claimed. And I just can’t be arsed going through all of that. Especially since I explained what discernment was when I first told people I had the gift, and it passed straight over mm’s head.

Now that you and I are friends, can I suggest that just because others allege or believe I’ve said something about something, this claim should not necessarily be taken at face value, as you’ll see from what I said above, when you read it.
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December 20, 2014 12:20pm
Don the Kiwi

WG.

I understand the family is part of the Torres Strait community in Cairns.

Oops………..others answered B4 me 🙂
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December 20, 2014 12:22pm
Kimbo

@ Reid

You and I of course know that the gift of discernment relates specifically to the gifted ability to discern spiritual machinations in the physical world,…

That in all likelihood ceased, along with the other supernatural spiritual gifts mentioned in the New Testament at the death of the last Apostle of Jesus.

Someone has to mention the (biblical!) Calvinist cessesionist perspective that properly understands and applies the New Testament for today 🙂

Just saying…
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December 20, 2014 12:24pm
Redbaiter

Reid, Shawn Herles has declared he has encountered the spirit of his ancestor, so he’s no one to be criticising the claims of others regarding supernatural powers.

Asked God for help, and He did, partly through grace, and partly through sending me the spirit of an ancestor, who it turns out was a Conjure man (in his own way, not sure you could call what he did Hoodoo specifically), and he has been gently pushing me to learn Conjure.
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December 20, 2014 12:27pm
Redbaiter

Just saying…

FFS…!!!

Do you have any damn idea that regular readers are sick to death of obsessive atheists trolling Christians on this blog? And GD becoming an endless litany of cross wired atheist crap and lengthy biblical quotes as a result?

Take it somewhere else.
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December 20, 2014 12:28pm
Shawn Herles

No of course I’m not Shawn, why don’t you read the conversation to find out what I said, and what mm said in response to that.

I did, but may well have misunderstood what you are saying. I was up till past midnight last night after an already long day, dealing with a client in distress. And in my defense, I am only on my first coffee for the day!

You and I of course know that the gift of discernment relates specifically to the gifted ability to discern spiritual machinations in the physical world

Yup, I understand what you mean now. I might phrase that a little differently, and may not interpret it exactly as you do, but I get what you mean. My own gifts relate in part to the discernment of spirits.

but I haven’t previously bothered to explain that distinction to mm

No offense to Mike, but I think you may be wasting your time trying. His mind is closed to anything other than the material world.

can I suggest that just because others allege or believe I’ve said something about something, this claim should not necessarily be taken at face value

Absolutely. I am used to being misunderstood myself. And thank’s for your explanation.
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